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Topic: All Time Best Numbers (uPDATED)

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Entropy

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Re: All Time Best Numbers (uPDATED)
« Reply #112 on: July 02, 2018, 01:38:26 PM »
Gill is my fav all-time at UNL.  Lord was the best runner.
I would have loved to see what Gerry Gdowski would have done with another season - burned redshirt
Frazier did have 199 yards vs the #2 ranked Gators - best QB numbers in a bowl until Vince Young came along - Vince was a better runner and passer than Tommie
VY was better than Tommie.  I still would pick Vick above them all.   He was the most gifted QB in my life time... but I do have a bias for QB's that can run.  Could you imagine Vick in these spread offenses of the last 10 years?  He numbers would have been silly..

Gill is my favorite UNL QB because I wanted to be him as a kid.   That was my first autograph.   I should have clarified that...  Gill was great, but I do think Tommie had that it factor.  The team was different when he was on the field than when he was not.  We saw it cause we were fans.  Others disagree and that is fine... but UNL fans saw it and lived it, hence our universal appreciation for Frazier.  
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Re: All Time Best Numbers (uPDATED)
« Reply #113 on: July 02, 2018, 02:22:31 PM »
Vick was the better pure passer of the running QBs and lightning fast.

I would take Vince for a better runner.  Much bigger and more top end speed.  Long stride.

Either of those two play for Osborne or Solich and they walk away with the Heisman - and very possibly an undefeated season
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« Reply #114 on: July 02, 2018, 02:36:56 PM »
Not sure about Solich.... He wanted to turn FB games into battles in the phone booth.   FS worked on a lot of plays during the week they didn't call during the game.  TO would take advantage of his players skills... FS when conservative when the game was on the line.   If Crouch didn't have that incredible first step or first cut, I'm not sure FS lasts as long as he did...  I also think Crouch killed UNL QB recruiting because nobody wanted to run that often and get that beat up.  They went to other programs.

Bobby would have been the starter under TO.   No way of proving it, but I'll go to my grave thinking it.  
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« Reply #115 on: July 02, 2018, 04:18:38 PM »
agreed, Crouch won the trophy, so hard for me to argue, but I'd have started Newcombe.  He had the better arm and probably some other intangibles.  If Crouch doesn't throw a fit and threaten to leave the team, Bobby is the starter.

Frank was no Osborne as O-coordinator, but..... he got a lot out of Jammal Lord
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« Reply #116 on: July 02, 2018, 04:49:52 PM »
Man I love the "it" factor. Not only does "it" exist, but it's really, really hard to quantify (i.e., subjective...again). Joe Montana had it. You guys say Frazier had it (I'm not saying he didn't, I just didn't follow Nebraska enough at the time to know); Tebow had it; Elway had it; so did Vince Young and the Rocket: the ability to come up big when it mattered most.

There are players who are great producers, but who you wouldn't choose when the cards are down. There are players who are great producers who never really had the opportunity or need to produce when the chips were down. Wuerffel may actually be one of those guys. In the 1996 season, he never really had that opportunity. He had a come-from-behind drive against FSU, but it wasn't to tie or take the lead, it was to get within a score.

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« Reply #117 on: July 02, 2018, 05:25:07 PM »
I think one thing we all may be guilty of is that if a guy didn't do something, we assume he couldn't.  That's unfair - not because it hurts someone's feelings, but because the player in question might've been great at something he never had a chance to showcase.
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« Reply #118 on: July 02, 2018, 05:26:51 PM »
agreed, Crouch won the trophy, so hard for me to argue, but I'd have started Newcombe.  He had the better arm and probably some other intangibles.  If Crouch doesn't throw a fit and threaten to leave the team, Bobby is the starter.

Frank was no Osborne as O-coordinator, but..... he got a lot out of Jammal Lord
Oh, oh, let's debate Crouch's Heisman.  Who actually deserved it?
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« Reply #119 on: July 02, 2018, 07:34:25 PM »
Antwaan Randle El or possibly a defensive player named Roy Williams

David Carr?

Probably not Grossman or Dorsey

a weak class?
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« Reply #120 on: July 02, 2018, 07:52:06 PM »
There was a strong sophomore prejudice.
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« Reply #121 on: July 02, 2018, 07:53:22 PM »
Randle El and Roy Williams were the best players that season.  Too bad guys on bad teams and defensive players are ineligible.

I can't believe Randle El got that Hoosiers team to 5-6

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Re: All Time Best Numbers (uPDATED)
« Reply #122 on: July 02, 2018, 10:22:01 PM »
I cannot believe that Crouch got that Nebraska team to 11-2. 

Shame that Solich ruined his shoulder...watching him throw as a freshman v as a senior was night and day. Like the Chili Peppers say, scar tissue. 

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« Reply #123 on: July 02, 2018, 10:39:37 PM »
I cannot believe that Crouch got that Nebraska team to 11-2.
the team wasn't the problem
11-2 in spite of the coaching
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« Reply #124 on: July 02, 2018, 11:41:28 PM »
Rex Grossman vs ranked opp in 2001:
vs #21:  22-31 for 393 yds and 5 TD, 0 Int W
vs #18:  22-32 for 464 yds and 5 TD, 1 Int W
vs #15:  27-35 for 407 yds and 2 TD, 2 Int W
vs #14:  21-33 for 302 yds and 3 TD, 0 Int W
vs #21:  27-42 for 290 yds and 2 TD, 1 Int W
vs   #5:  33-51 for 362 yds and 2 TD, 1 Int L
vs   #6:  20-28 for 248 yds and 4 TD, 0 Int W (Orange Bowl)
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Re: All Time Best Numbers (uPDATED)
« Reply #125 on: July 03, 2018, 09:05:19 AM »
played 7 ranked opponents in one season?

So, that's why you hate the Vols

last lost to the Vols?
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