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Title: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2019, 05:55:54 AM
May as well get it started.

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Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2019, 06:28:48 AM
Lots of Badger fans, including this one, were fooled by last year's Orange Bowl performance. That's not going to happen again. The coaching staff needs to fix the QB situation. 


There has been some speculation that Alex Hornibrook could be done playing football, but no official word on that at all. For his own sake, he should (and I'm sure he is) think about that one really hard. He's not an NFL QB and he's set to graduate this Spring, I believe. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2019, 09:00:26 AM
Taking an early stab at the starting OL, assuming Badass leaves for the NFL too:


LT Cole Van Lanen
LG Jon Deitzen
C Kayden Lyles
RG Jason Erdmann
RT Logan Bruss


Van Lanen was the highest graded left tackle in the country by PFF. That position is solid. Deitzen shared the LT spot with Van Lanen but can now slide back to his LG position since Deiter is done. Lyles played defensive end in 2018, but took most of his bowl practice snaps at center. Erdmann has been very solid in backing up 3 positions for 2 seasons and should help immediately. Big shoes to fill (Benz) there. Bruss started the final 3 games at RT for the injured Edwards and honestly played better than him. 


This should be another solid OL in Madison. Lots of very good quality backups too, at every position, with 2 more maulers joining the program in June.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 02, 2019, 11:17:08 AM
Barring injury, it's been a long time since I was particularly concerned about depth on the OL. Quarterback, though, is always a worry. Agreed on Hornibrook--if he's not playing for a paycheck (and he's not), why risk it? And for all the fans of the backups, there's a reason Chryst went with Hornibrook: he gave them the best chance to win. So yeah, this is a big area of concern. Just a smidge of a game-managing quarterback could really help get us fans through Taylor's last season as a Badger...
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2019, 12:26:22 PM
A big concern is at MLB, replacing Connolly and Edwards. Chris Orr's play against Miami was stellar, and it seems like he's a leader. So that helps things a lot. I'm predicting Jack Sanborn takes that other spot inside. Then there's the OLB's. Losing Van Ginkel is gonna sting and I'm not seeing anyone right now who can step in that role.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 02, 2019, 12:50:38 PM
Yeah, following on this season, the whole defense (other than Orr) looks like a question mark...not unlike QB. Hopefully the injury bug doesn't bit quite as hard next year.

A lot of guys returning in the secondary, but that wasn't the team's strength (and losing Dixon won't make them better).

A lot of competition for just about every position except NT and Orr's ILB spot.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 02, 2019, 01:03:38 PM
Lots of Badger fans, including this one, were fooled by last year's Orange Bowl performance. That's not going to happen again. The coaching staff needs to fix the QB situation.


There has been some speculation that Alex Hornibrook could be done playing football, but no official word on that at all. For his own sake, he should (and I'm sure he is) think about that one really hard. He's not an NFL QB and he's set to graduate this Spring, I believe.
The word fooled is an interesting one. 
We watched what was probably the second-best sophomore QB season in program history. The offense was efficient as hell. The second best player on offense was set to leave, but it seemed utterly reasonable to assume a QB PC liked, under his guidance, would at least be as good, if not better. Maybe we got fooled by basic logic, but that happens. 
And the weirdest part was it wasn’t the ceiling that suffered, but the consistency. He went on the road and murdered a top-20 defense AND had that Minnesota game. 
It reminds me of 2007 and 2008, when UW returned gobs of nominally good players and got worse and worse. Left Me playing wait and see all through the 2010 offseason I was scarred so. 
Anyway, I hope the best for Alex, but I grow uneasy with discussion of his concussions. I hope we’d all say the same if he had a 170 QB rating. Anyway, there’s no clean, safe answer, so I suppose we should put last season’s lessons to use. Anything can happen.
(Or if we’re talking about Danny Davis being good, yeah, that bowl did fool me)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2019, 01:04:37 PM
I actually feel good about the secondary right now. Lots of kids played this year and I'd think they would take that next step. I like their coach too.


I'm concerned about DL depth, again. Obviously they had to borrow Lyles this year from the OL to get by. It would not surprise me if a TE and another OL made a move there for this season. They have a lot of depth at both spots and the DL needs help.


Next we can make some guesses as to who will not be returning for a 5th year. Unfortunately some of the candidates are supposed to be players on the DL. They just don't play.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2019, 01:09:01 PM
The word fooled is an interesting one.
We watched what was probably the second-best sophomore QB season in program history. The offense was efficient as hell. The second best player on offense was set to leave, but it seemed utterly reasonable to assume a QB PC liked, under his guidance, would at least be as good, if not better. Maybe we got fooled by basic logic, but that happens.
And the weirdest part was it wasn’t the ceiling that suffered, but the consistency. He went on the road and murdered a top-20 defense AND had that Minnesota game.
It reminds me of 2007 and 2008, when UW returned gobs of nominally good players and got worse and worse. Left Me playing wait and see all through the 2010 offseason I was scarred so.
Anyway, I hope the best for Alex, but I grow uneasy with discussion of his concussions. I hope we’d all say the same if he had a 170 QB rating. Anyway, there’s no clean, safe answer, so I suppose we should put last season’s lessons to use. Anything can happen.
(Or if we’re talking about Danny Davis being good, yeah, that bowl did fool me)
Yep, I'd like to think I'd feel the same way if he were an awesome QB. And you know he still could be good. Just needs to clean things up. Better pass-pro would help too. Deitzen and Edwards got beat a lot out there. 
Health is most important. He's not an NFL player by any stretch, but he looked pretty OK before the concussions set in. He should not have played against Minnie though. Hindsight and all that.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2019, 01:07:15 PM
A very pleasant surprise here.

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Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Badger1969 on January 05, 2019, 02:42:42 PM
Just saw Wisconsin’s 2019 QB commit, Graham Mertz, throw three touchdown passes in the All-American Bowl game.  I think we finally got a QB to match a successful running game. Big 10 watch out here we come.

Correction now it’s five touch down passes.  :72:
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 05, 2019, 08:24:29 PM
Just saw Wisconsin’s 2019 QB commit, Graham Mertz, throw three touchdown passes in the All-American Bowl game.  I think we finally got a QB to match a successful running game. Big 10 watch out here we come.

Correction now it’s five touch down passes.  :72:
Looks good!
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 07, 2019, 11:31:35 AM
Please, please, please, please...
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 15, 2019, 06:24:43 PM
Kinda quiet in Madison, other than OC Joe Rudolph putting his name in the hat for the Temple and NIU job openings. He's still in the mix for NIU, along with Matt Canada and Thomas Hammock. All of those are current/former UW assistants, which is interesting... anyway, in other news:



All four of UW's early entrants are on campus this week. They include QB Graham Mertz, WR Cam Phillips, LB Spencer Lytle and LB Leo Chenal. I expect all of them to see the field this season, with the possible exception of Phillips (depth at WR??).
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 15, 2019, 06:42:51 PM
You think Mertz has a shot at starting? I'm starting to think why not? Which is mostly just a poor reflection of who's on the depth chart now.

Feels a little like 2009, really not knowing who will earn the spot. Hornibrook is likely done; Vanden Boom was on the depth chart for the bowl game over Chase Wolf, but maybe because they wanted to protect Wolf's redshirt? Lot's of youth...
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on January 15, 2019, 08:37:44 PM
I didn't watch but did read some glowing reports of Mertz in his AA game.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 15, 2019, 09:37:02 PM
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Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 15, 2019, 09:38:52 PM
You think Mertz has a shot at starting? I'm starting to think why not? Which is mostly just a poor reflection of who's on the depth chart now.

Feels a little like 2009, really not knowing who will earn the spot. Hornibrook is likely done; Vanden Boom was on the depth chart for the bowl game over Chase Wolf, but maybe because they wanted to protect Wolf's redshirt? Lot's of youth...
 If it matches that year, Wolf has it. 
 I get that he’s done all the hype worthy things, but I’m not gonna put that much on the freshman just yet. What you doing a random practice field or a pretend game is just a lot different then absorbing a full playbook and doing things against real college guys. 
I also wonder if people are writing off Alex too quickly. In part I understand it, because people are just tired of watching him play. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 16, 2019, 09:17:37 AM
There are no more Mendota meetings (and information was getting thin anyway..) so I'm unable to dig and see if AH is truly done. Nobody seems to know anything. Edwards leaving early (he's not ready) is interesting, as it relates to AH (or not).
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 16, 2019, 01:00:09 PM
If it matches that year, Wolf has it.
 I get that he’s done all the hype worthy things, but I’m not gonna put that much on the freshman just yet. What you doing a random practice field or a pretend game is just a lot different then absorbing a full playbook and doing things against real college guys.
I also wonder if people are writing off Alex too quickly. In part I understand it, because people are just tired of watching him play.
Correct about the 2009 outcome...Tolzien mostly came out of left field. And correct about Mertz, I think; playbook will be difficult to absorb that quickly. And Wolf was pretty well liked coming out of high school, too. Maybe his redshirt year is just what he needed?

Hornibrook...I'm not off the wagon yet, but I'm leaning that way a lot more than I was to start 2018. He's certainly not a shoe-in.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 16, 2019, 03:29:53 PM
I'm going to speculate that you will see a QB transfer after Spring ball, and possibly a position change for another.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 16, 2019, 04:36:25 PM
I'm going to speculate that you will see a QB transfer after Spring ball, and possibly a position change for another.
Is this assuming AH health or no? 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 16, 2019, 04:42:12 PM
Is this assuming AH health or no?
Have to assume he's healthy and coming back. I also take heed to PC's comments after the bowl game. "We have to get better at the position" is what he said. So, what I think is that either AH (grad) transfers - or stops playing. I'm also thinking that Vanden Boom can play elsewhere - safety comes to mind, or even OLB if he can put on a few more pounds.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 17, 2019, 10:56:24 AM
Rittenburg is reporting that the finalists for the Bama OL position are Kyle Flood and current UW ILB coach Bob Bostad. 


I'd really like to know what Rudolph is up to, but we won't know anything until it happens (if anything even happens). It would be painful to lose Bostad, but he's an OL coach, and he's one of the best.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on January 17, 2019, 12:33:36 PM
I forgot that Rudolph is coaching OL and Bostas isn't.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 17, 2019, 12:46:10 PM
It's hard to argue the results. Rudolph is a Bostad disciple and the OL has done pretty well. Bostad did just fine with the ILB's too. But, if he wants to coach OL again and Rudolph is staying on board, well, it would be hard to blame him for leaving.


I'd like to see some shuffling of the staff, to be honest. Let Rudolph coach TE's and be the "OC" and let Bostad coach the OL. Move Turner from TE to maybe special teams, which have not performed well under the current guy.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 23, 2019, 04:16:00 PM
No big surprise on this one. The former 4* got passed up by a 3* and a 2*. Would not be shocked to see him end up at Utah State.



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Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 23, 2019, 08:55:53 PM
opens up another "ship" for someone that wants to play
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2019, 06:03:55 PM
This was not a well-kept secret, but it's out now.

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Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 11, 2019, 06:27:47 PM
Glad he is making the best decision for himself. There's no way it was an easy one.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 11, 2019, 10:12:04 PM
hydration team?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 12, 2019, 09:15:10 AM
Yeah, they are part of the nutrition team.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 12, 2019, 01:03:18 PM
I assumed so, but thought it was possibly the Beer guzzling team
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on February 12, 2019, 01:33:39 PM
wait, so is that 4 or 5 starting Wisconsin OL gone now with Diezten retiring?

Wonder if hot-shot 5* Logan Brown gets some playing time as a true frosh.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on February 12, 2019, 01:44:28 PM
wait, so is that 4 or 5 starting Wisconsin OL gone now with Diezten retiring?

Wonder if hot-shot 5* Logan Brown gets some playing time as a true frosh.
I think they have a pair of tackles waiting in the wings. So unless he or one of them moves to guard, maybe not that much. 
Then again, I’m fond of saying, it’s what happens between now and Sept that sets these things.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 12, 2019, 02:49:49 PM
Logan Brown did not enroll early. It's highly doubtful that he sees time this year, except for maybe in jumbo packages. Probably not worth burning a 'shirt over though, so 4 games max.



JD was a trooper. Played through a ton of injuries. But, last season, I think Cole Van Lanen played more snaps at LT even though JD was the "starter" at the position. And CVL turned out to be the highest graded lineman on the team. So LT is good. Beach played really well at RT when David Edwards went down. As in, really well. OL is not a concern of mine right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on February 13, 2019, 12:38:07 PM
Logan Brown did not enroll early. It's highly doubtful that he sees time this year, except for maybe in jumbo packages. Probably not worth burning a 'shirt over though, so 4 games max.
generally you want to redshirt every OL recruit. The STARZ system for the most part gets it right- but they whiff on rankings, especially at OL- which generally speaking is a crapshoot- but Brown sure as hell looks ready to rock and roll day one from a physical standpoint. IF he's really that dude, then it makes no sense to redshirt him because he won't be staying 5 years anyway.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 13, 2019, 10:04:48 PM
In a world where recruiting rankings are correct in aggregate, redshirting everyone is also the most reliable way to fight back. It's been a central characteristic for teams like Iowa, MSU and UW who have accomplished big things despite average recruiting rankings.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2019, 11:18:54 PM
In a world where recruiting rankings are correct in aggregate, redshirting everyone is also the most reliable way to fight back. It's been a central characteristic for teams like Iowa, MSU and UW who have accomplished big things despite average recruiting rankings.
I view this as a condescending post. #AMIRNG??
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2019, 11:40:11 PM
could possibly be condescending, but I wouldn't take it that way

redshirting everyone was Tom Osborne's MO.  Freshman team and then start seeing the field in mop up time

Juniors and seniors started after thousands of practice reps, game reps, and countless hours in the weight room.  Mature players that executed w/o mistakes win games.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 14, 2019, 12:13:59 AM
I didn't think it was controversial and meant it dispassionately. Also, as a strategy, it's smart and goes hand-in-hand with atypical coaching stability. What's the negative part? The average recruiting rankings? I meant them as matters of fact, without attaching an attitude.

Meanwhile, what's the acronym "AMIRNG?"
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 07:29:50 AM
Maybe redshirting should be a "central characteristic" for Michigan too. AM I wRoNG?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 14, 2019, 10:57:07 AM
well, then you'd be lying to those 4 and 5 stars that you promised playing time immediately
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 14, 2019, 12:44:45 PM
Maybe redshirting should be a "central characteristic" for Michigan too. AM I wRoNG?
(1) Boy did you take this sensitively, but you don't have to ... unless you didn't trust that there wasn't anything offensive in what I said. At least in intent, but also in facts, I still think that's true.

(2) Harbaugh's mostly hasn't had that opportunity (and hasn't been around long enough for us to know if he'll eventually even have that interest).

At least in his first years, Michigan had to burn redshirts to put out Hoke-era fires. But like Fearless said, teams with high recruiting rankings maybe never attempt the all-redshirt style. And with the outliers (of those coaches/teams with high recruiting rankings but also redshirt more than most) they probably have outlier continuity (coaches who've been around 6+ years, to spitball a number).
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 01:32:03 PM
(1) Boy did you take this sensitively, but you don't have to ... unless you didn't trust that there wasn't anything offensive in what I said. At least in intent, but also in facts, I still think that's true.

(2) Harbaugh's mostly hasn't had that opportunity (and hasn't been around long enough for us to know if he'll eventually even have that interest).

At least in his first years, Michigan had to burn redshirts to put out Hoke-era fires. But like Fearless said, teams with high recruiting rankings maybe never attempt the all-redshirt style. And with the outliers (of those coaches/teams with high recruiting rankings but also redshirt more than most) they probably have outlier continuity (coaches who've been around 6+ years, to spitball a number).
1. We all know the facts. There is no reason to state them here, other than to remind those fans of schools not named Michigan or OSU that those other schools are inferior. It happens a lot here, but nearly as much as it used to. Anyway, that is where my reaction stemmed from.

2. I thought Harbaugh was hired to rebuild a program - not to win immediately. Maybe I am mistaken. Anyway, you rebuild by redshirting and developing players. Michigan is not the equal of OSU (Forget STARZ - think evaluation). This could certainly change, now that Urban is gone, of course.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on February 14, 2019, 02:03:25 PM
Maybe redshirting should be a "central characteristic" for Michigan too. AM I wRoNG?
Absolutely. One of my biggest pet peeves with Harbaugh is his willingness to just burn redshirts.
Some though make sense. 5* guys with freakish ability like Rashan Gary or DPJ aren't staying 4 years let alone 5. Redshirting players like that does you no good. Everyone else is a different story however. His willingness to burn redshirts on averagely talented players like Karran Higdon or J'Marrick Woods is another story.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 14, 2019, 03:02:59 PM
I remember being shocked a couple years ago when Michigan burned something like 17 redshirts on one recruiting class.  Probably 2 years ago.

I brought it up at the time here because I was curious.  Didn't seem to me at the time that those 17 true frosh could get enough playing time to make it worth their while.  Now, with the 4-game rule, that many shirts wouldn't be burned
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 03:44:33 PM
Well, I guess when you make promises, you should keep them. If you promise early PT and then tell a kid he's going to use his 'shirt, well, the transfer portal beckons.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 14, 2019, 04:00:57 PM
1. We all know the facts. There is no reason to state them here, other than to remind those fans of schools not named Michigan or OSU that those other schools are inferior. It happens a lot here, but nearly as much as it used to. Anyway, that is where my reaction stemmed from.

2. I thought Harbaugh was hired to rebuild a program - not to win immediately. Maybe I am mistaken. Anyway, you rebuild by redshirting and developing players. Michigan is not the equal of OSU (Forget STARZ - think evaluation). This could certainly change, now that Urban is gone, of course.
1. The first part may be common knowledge but we discuss less often how these two things are chunked together. That, assuming they can, coaches/teams either go nuts on recruiting rankings or go nuts on redshirts. There are many examples of coaches accomplishing neither but very few modern examples (I'm still trying to find one) of a coach executing both.
2. I can't imagine he wasn't hired to do both. Also, there's no denying his rebuilding efforts (recruiting sales pitch weighs heavily here) would have been worse off if he hadn't won 10 games that first year, and those first classes were crucial.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 05:25:22 PM
I don't agree with #2 at all. 


You are selling promise - and yes - even at Michigan. You are the coach who built Stanford by telling kids they could be a part of something. You could sell THAT. 


"Kids, YOU are gonna go down in history as the class that made Michigan into "Big Blue" again." 


Kinda like King Barry selling that to his 1990 class. Those kids did it. Who wouldn't want to be a part of that?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 14, 2019, 08:03:16 PM
Big Blue was never a Michigan nickname. That's IBM.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 08:07:17 PM
When I first started posting at the old CFN back in 2001, we had only a few Big Ten posters.


Me, Mr. TacO, Big Blue and a few others. Big Blue was a Michigan fan who not only went to UM, but he was a 30-year season ticket holder. Maybe he had it wrong? Before that, I always thought of Kentucky when I heard that phrase. But he used it a lot.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 14, 2019, 08:50:28 PM
He did have it wrong. There's a section of Michigan fans who arrived after the mistake became popular and haven't noticed or are too stubborn to give it up. Then again, at some point a mistake like this probably gets absorbed as the new reality, sommaybe that's where we are now.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 15, 2019, 09:56:03 AM
Ahh reminds me of old times... Our board's version of Godwin's Law:

No matter the original topic, all threads, if allowed to go long enough, become about Michigan or Ohio State. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 15, 2019, 10:47:46 AM
Ahh reminds me of old times... Our board's version of Godwin's Law:

No matter the original topic, all threads, if allowed to go long enough, become about Michigan or Ohio State.
I'm that kind of troublemaker. So the odds are definitely higher if I'm in the conversation. But this time I think I'm in the clear for not starting it. Which, by 10-year-old logic, is something. 🙃
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2019, 10:48:13 AM
Ahh reminds me of old times... Our board's version of Godwin's Law:

No matter the original topic, all threads, if allowed to go long enough, become about Michigan or Ohio State.
Yep, thought of that too. That stops now on this thread though.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2019, 12:46:50 PM
Good news for D'Cota Dixon. Great kid.


https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2019/2/12/18222853/wisconsin-football-dcota-dixon-jason-witten-collegiate-man-of-year

Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 16, 2019, 08:02:44 AM
well done, Son
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 26, 2019, 02:48:50 PM
Former Iowa recruiting coordinator left to open a Culver's, and now he's joining Wisconsin football

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Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on February 27, 2019, 04:23:41 PM
Hornibrook transferring. 

WHAT IN THE HELL?!??
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on February 27, 2019, 04:28:30 PM
Wow. I guess we know there will be a battle in the spring and summer for the starting QB spot.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 27, 2019, 05:22:29 PM
This is not surprising at all really. Given Chryst's comments after the bowl game.. I would have been shocked to see him come back. I mean, he literally said "We have to get better at the quarterback position."



There will probably be other stuff that comes out too.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 27, 2019, 06:20:23 PM
Hornibrook transferring.

WHAT IN THE HELL?!??
Not yet official, though, right? For maximum cliché:
"The writing is on the wall" but "he's not past the point of no return," "just checking his options."
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 27, 2019, 06:22:30 PM
Anyway, a split could be good for both sides. And if Mertz stays healthy and if UW's WR troubles were a one-year thing, then Wisconsin could even be better off.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 27, 2019, 06:24:45 PM
It's official. Paul Chryst announced that Alex left the program. He's gone, regardless of transfer. 


With a UW business degree and academic all-B1G credentials, I could see him play in the Ivy, or some such, for one year. If he can pull that off, it's an awesome thing.


I wish him well.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 27, 2019, 06:31:00 PM
Anyway, a split could be good for both sides. And if Mertz stays healthy and if UW's WR troubles were a one-year thing, then Wisconsin could even be better off.
UW's troubles were more than QB play. Injuries took a major toll.

I doubt Mertz is ready, even as an early enrollee. My predictions??

It's gonna be between Jack Coan, Chase Wolfe and Danny Vanden Boom this Spring, with Mertz getting reps for sure.  Coan and Wolfe will emerge and Vanden Boom moves to S, where his Dad was an all-American for UW.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 27, 2019, 06:32:23 PM
It's official. Paul Chryst announced that Alex left the program. He's gone, regardless of transfer.


With a UW business degree and academic all-B1G credentials, I could see him play in the Ivy, or some such, for one year. If he can pull that off, it's an awesome thing.


I wish him well.
Thanks for the correction. V. fast developing.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 27, 2019, 06:34:46 PM
Injuries and suspensions seemed to hit the WRs hard. If that's the right interpretations (that the WRs would have otherwise been a top 1/3 group in the Big Ten), then everything will sort itself out just fine.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 27, 2019, 06:38:11 PM
As for Coan, could be, but given his 5.5 YPA in 100 attempts, I won't be surprised if Mertz becomes the golden boy through camp.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 27, 2019, 07:00:05 PM
Injuries and suspensions seemed to hit the WRs hard. If that's the right interpretations (that the WRs would have otherwise been a top 1/3 group in the Big Ten), then everything will sort itself out just fine.
Lost their best blocking TE too, and they didn't get what they needed from Fum's replacement (who is also in the portal now). Ferguson will be a star though. As for Coan, it was his first real action and he was limited in both play calling and the WR/TE situation. He was in to manage the games, but he did better as the season went on. In his last two games, he was more like 7 YPA.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 28, 2019, 12:18:41 PM
From The Athletic:



It seemed evident that, at the very least, Chryst was prepared to evaluate other quarterbacks to determine a starter in 2019. He didn’t shut the door on the idea of an open quarterback competition this offseason.

“I think every time you go into it, that’s the beautiful thing about sports, is you compete,” Chryst said after the Pinstripe Bowl. “You have to. There’s not one thing that we did at that position that you say, ‘All right, this is how we want it to be.’ There’s moments, but clearly we’ve got to get better at that position, and better in the consistency of play at that position.”
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on February 28, 2019, 12:47:41 PM
From The Athletic:



It seemed evident that, at the very least, Chryst was prepared to evaluate other quarterbacks to determine a starter in 2019. He didn’t shut the door on the idea of an open quarterback competition this offseason.

“I think every time you go into it, that’s the beautiful thing about sports, is you compete,” Chryst said after the Pinstripe Bowl. “You have to. There’s not one thing that we did at that position that you say, ‘All right, this is how we want it to be.’ There’s moments, but clearly we’ve got to get better at that position, and better in the consistency of play at that position.”

This seems like kind of a stretch to say that meant much. It’s a truism. I bet he’d say it about a lot of what UW did last season. 
I’m sure if AH played as he did in 2017, it would be fine. Hopefully this means Mertz can spin the hell out of the ball or Coan is not bad like he was last season. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 28, 2019, 01:12:21 PM
Yeah that's more of a boilerplate thing all/most coaches say even if they plan to play the returning starters. It doesn't let us know that Coan is better than Hornibrook. We're still mired in maybe.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 28, 2019, 01:13:10 PM
Is Mertz an early enrollee? That would be HUGE.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 28, 2019, 01:36:33 PM
Is Mertz an early enrollee? That would be HUGE.
Yes, he is. As for the quote.. that is the first time I ever heard PC address the QB situation in that manner, going back to 2005.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2019, 08:07:48 AM
https://twitter.com/KyleRowland/status/1101235023376760833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1101235023376760833&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%231101235023376760833


Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on March 01, 2019, 11:55:32 AM
didn't lose the players

just lost the coaching staff
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2019, 12:08:29 PM
And most of the fanbase.


There are more rumors coming out, about how this ultimately went down, but I'll refrain. I really felt it was over when PC made his comments after the bowl game, so how it went down really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on March 01, 2019, 02:37:24 PM
didn't lose the players

just lost the coaching staff
Which may be a problem if any players are on his side
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on March 01, 2019, 02:43:11 PM
agreed
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2019, 02:43:58 PM
Players want to win.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on March 01, 2019, 02:46:42 PM
Horni was 26-6?

Horni wanted to win

apparently, the coaches want to win more
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2019, 03:13:45 PM
The defense fell off last season, compared with the first two he had behind him. They couldn't bail him out after INT's like they did in the past. Too many injuries took their toll on the unit.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on March 01, 2019, 03:23:41 PM
perhaps the staff should have run off some defensive players?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2019, 03:26:00 PM
perhaps the staff should have run off some defensive players?
I think the staff is more interested in getting the injured ones healthy, and working in some new ones. There was nobody to run off, so to speak.

The staff did not "run off" Hornibrook. This I am confident about.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on March 01, 2019, 06:59:36 PM
well, as a returning starting QB that was 26-6, it seems logical that someone whispered in his ear

perhaps Horni was whispering in his own head
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2019, 08:24:17 PM
You read the quote from PC. Yeah, AH had a great record, but wasn't because of him. The rumor is that UW has had a good OL and decent tailbacks. I need to confirm that, but I'm pretty sure it's true.



I'm disappointed because he showed a ton of promise early on, and he's also a great kid and student. He didn't want to compete for his job. It is what it is. The kid was a great Badger. Best of luck.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on March 01, 2019, 08:34:45 PM
gotta earn it every day

Frost has told all the players on the roster that's it's the coach's job to bring in kids that can take spots, so keep working.  The competition never stops

no promises
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2019, 08:55:45 PM
gotta earn it every day

Frost has told all the players on the roster that's it's the coach's job to bring in kids that can take spots, so keep working.  The competition never stops

no promises
That's what we do, right??
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on March 01, 2019, 09:33:26 PM
I thought he was relatively good as a sophomore. Not really good, but good enough, especially at some very hard stuff. 

That said, he was just not great last year. He had the ability to be quite good in moments. Badge brought up the INT/defense thing, and even if that was a factor, he was pretty efficent last season, and he just wasn't this season. Their passing efficiency (per S&P) dropped from top-15 or top-10 to the 80s before his injury. 

I was hopeful he'd bounce back. Guess he won't have the chance, seemingly by his own decision. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on March 01, 2019, 09:36:00 PM
Horni was 26-6?

Horni wanted to win

apparently, the coaches want to win more
The last longterm starter before him finished on a 18-4 run. In those two seasons, he had passer ratings of 113.2 and 125.7. That understates his value the second year, but UW was on quite a run of overcoming low-ceiling QB play. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on March 03, 2019, 01:36:13 PM
Hornibrook transferring.

WHAT IN THE HELL?!??
I am not a medical doctor, but after the beating Hornibrook took last season with multiple concussions, I think a better course for him would be to seek a graduate assistant position in coaching.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 03, 2019, 01:54:42 PM
Most people think it would be best for him to retire, but he says he really wants to play.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on March 03, 2019, 07:32:45 PM
One of UNC's QBs just transferred to Ark. St. to become a graduate assistant coach. Hornibrook has a wealth of experience he could put to better use than by playing another season and risking everything.

Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 03, 2019, 07:41:20 PM
100% agree. We're both fathers, and if this was my kid, I'd do my damn best to try and change his mind. But, I wouldn't demand it. That breeds resentment.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 09, 2019, 09:25:47 AM
Hornibrook is on an official visit at... Florida State. This makes absolutely no sense to me. His father and brother are with him too. I wonder if the brother will follow him to wherever he ends up?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on March 09, 2019, 11:16:14 AM
Hornibrook is on an official visit at... Florida State. This makes absolutely no sense to me. His father and brother are with him too. I wonder if the brother will follow him to wherever he ends up?
 Man might want to job, and that certainly is a job without many options. Also, Florida ladies. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on March 10, 2019, 01:18:17 PM
Hornibrook to FSU. Good for him. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 10, 2019, 02:45:06 PM
I'm not even sure he'll be the starter.  
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2019, 03:42:43 PM
All these transfers makes one's head spin.  I bet most of us foresee a time when transferring will be without penalty.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 11, 2019, 08:38:40 AM
Hornibrook to FSU. Good for him.
Was really hoping he'd join his brother. There was more than smoke to that story. Ah well. FSU has a starting QB, but they don't have UW's OL or TB. It will be interesting, for sure.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on March 11, 2019, 11:57:05 PM
Hornibrook is on an official visit at... Florida State. This makes absolutely no sense to me. His father and brother are with him too. I wonder if the brother will follow him to wherever he ends up?
I have to agree. If Hornibrook wants to play, he should not go to FSU. I don't think there is a QB position available for him. They need some help on the O-Line, but I don't think he'll make the grade at O-Line. 
As stated earlier, he has a wealth of experience, and his best bet was graduate assistant coach to avoid further head injury. If he had to play about the best he could do is Northwestern; they may have a position open at QB and I think he plays their style of offense; otherwise a non-power 5 school.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on March 12, 2019, 08:08:14 AM
I have to agree. If Hornibrook wants to play, he should not go to FSU. I don't think there is a QB position available for him. They need some help on the O-Line, but I don't think he'll make the grade at O-Line.
As stated earlier, he has a wealth of experience, and his best bet was graduate assistant coach to avoid further head injury. If he had to play about the best he could do is Northwestern; they may have a position open at QB and I think he plays their style of offense; otherwise a non-power 5 school.
NW has a five-star transfer who was recruited over by Clemson. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 12, 2019, 10:30:53 AM
I think AH is going to start at FSU. I also think he was told by the UW medical team that he would not play again, in a Badger uniform, which is why he made this move. I wish him the best. Good kid and good student.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MarqHusker on March 26, 2019, 10:53:06 PM
I know we all know that spring games are boring gussied up practices and mostly nonsense, but some of my Badger pals are hacked off that PC called off the spring game.   He really doesn't like any extraneous fluff, does he?  This isn't even a paranoid Bill Snyder, somebody might see a formation or an injured player take.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2019, 10:42:41 AM
Doesn't bother me. There were never any more than maybe 5K people in the building anyway. Now, those same 5K can go, for free, to see the open practice. I was more disturbed by the demise of the Mendota Gridiron Club, to be honest.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 27, 2019, 11:03:14 AM
I've only attended one or two spring games, but maybe I've watched 10 of them on tv. It's enough of a bummer when the scrimmage part is cancelled (i.e., just a practice), but cancelling the whole thing is significantly more crummy. Michigan has a couple experiences with this during my time. RR's first year he almost did that. The stadium was being renovated, so there was a good explanation, but the backlash was so severe, they moved it to a local high school instead. I think it was before the 2016 season that we faced something similar (new turf or something) and moved it to Ford Field in Detroit. And then last year the whole thing was actually cancelled due to weather. All of those sucked to varying degrees, with last year being the worst and the Ford Field year being least bad (it was a full scrimmage, it was televised). 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2019, 11:37:06 AM
Meh. The UW spring "game" has been nothing but a glorified open practice since Lee Evans tore up his knee on a terrible April day in 2002.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2019, 12:07:55 PM
We're not going to get too much out of spring ball this year, until next week. That's when the practices (some) open up to the media. I think, for now anyway, it's that PC doesn't want a circus around what the QB's are doing. They did offer a glimpse, at least.







https://twitter.com/BadgerFootball/status/1110665520733392903
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2019, 12:09:54 PM
A few position changes. Griffin Grady to OLB. Seth Currans to ILB. Isaac Guerendo to RB. Aaron Vopal to OL. Word is also that there will be a couple more losses to injury retirements. Not sure who at this point, but there are some credible people out there posting such info.



No Spring roster has been released yet. Maybe next week?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 27, 2019, 12:22:20 PM
Meh. The UW spring "game" has been nothing but a glorified open practice since Lee Evans tore up his knee on a terrible April day in 2002.
How do you feel about that? Bad injury and I get the coaches being spooked but it also seems superstitious and not evidence-based. Regular intensity padded drills can be even more violent than a game ("practice harder than you play," or at least equally hard). So canceling the scrimmage might not limit injury risk at all. Unless of course the practice is forfeited as something like a light jog (unlike a spring game), while also neglecting to install new stuff (like all spring games). In other words, since we're obviously not canceling regular season games when injuries spook us, and since the NCAA allots limited camp practices, dialing back any of them seems counter-productive. And of course it is also unpopular to fans.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on March 27, 2019, 12:29:08 PM
I honestly don't care much.  Growing up, I liked going, when college football wasn't a 365 day a year thing, it was like an oasis of football in the offseason, like the first magazine to hit shelves.  Now?  Meh.  It's just something else in a crowded offseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 27, 2019, 12:38:50 PM
That's fair. There's certainly more "supply" now than in the 1990s (signing day, general recruiting, satellite camps or whatever they are now, spring camp by twitter, everything else by twitter, etc.). However that list seems to be ever growing, which I take to mean that the "demand" for this stuff (including a spring game) is even greater than the bloated supply.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2019, 01:50:47 PM
How do you feel about that? Bad injury and I get the coaches being spooked but it also seems superstitious and not evidence-based. Regular intensity padded drills can be even more violent than a game ("practice harder than you play," or at least equally hard). So canceling the scrimmage might not limit injury risk at all. Unless of course the practice is forfeited as something like a light jog (unlike a spring game), while also neglecting to install new stuff (like all spring games). In other words, since we're obviously not canceling regular season games when injuries spook us, and since the NCAA allots limited camp practices, dialing back any of them seems counter-productive. And of course it is also unpopular to fans.
How many times do I have to say I don't care? I really don't. Ask me about Mendota, and I'll rant, for real. I'm good at ranting.

I have much better things to do on an April Saturday, and apparently all but 5K Badger fans do too. :whoo:
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 27, 2019, 01:56:10 PM
I didn't mean how you felt emotionally. I meant how you feel about the logic of avoiding a spring game because one time a guy got hurt. It stands to reason that a person could be happy there's no spring game but also think the logic of skipping one is faulty.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2019, 02:04:58 PM
I don't care about any of it. I trust the coaches too much to second-guess them on these decisions, so I don't give it much thought even.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on March 27, 2019, 02:10:57 PM
That's fair. There's certainly more "supply" now than in the 1990s (signing day, general recruiting, satellite camps or whatever they are now, spring camp by twitter, everything else by twitter, etc.). However that list seems to be ever growing, which I take to mean that the "demand" for this stuff (including a spring game) is even greater than the bloated supply.
No doubt
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2019, 02:13:14 PM
To my surprise, we have a roster.


Players no longer on the roster:

- Outside linebacker (https://247sports.com/Player/Mason-Platter-46039305)Mason Platter (https://247sports.com/Player/Mason-Platter-46039305)

- Fullback (https://247sports.com/Player/Jake-Collinsworth-86305)Jake Collinsworth (https://247sports.com/Player/Jake-Collinsworth-86305)

- Outside linebacker (https://247sports.com/Player/Paul-Jackson-28238)Paul Jackso (https://247sports.com/Player/Paul-Jackson-28238)n
(https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Article/Wisconsin-Badgers-Football-Releases-Changes-to-2019-Spring-Practice-Roster-130580870/#)
- Inside linebacker (https://247sports.com/Player/Ethan-Cesarz-91593)Ethan Cesarz (https://247sports.com/Player/Ethan-Cesarz-91593)

- Defensive end (https://247sports.com/Player/Kraig-Howe-35469)Kraig Howe (https://247sports.com/Player/Kraig-Howe-35469)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2019, 03:18:24 PM
From Jason Galloway, Wisconsin State Journal



Still months away from standing trial on sexual assault charges, Quintez Cephus is officially no longer on the University of Wisconsin football team.

Cephus, who was suspended via UW’s student-athlete discipline policy when chargers were brought against him in August, wasn’t listed on the Badgers’ spring practice roster released Wednesday, and a UW official confirmed he’s no longer on the team.


The trail for the Badgers’ top wideout in 2017 is set to begin July 29 after late-arriving evidence postponed an original February start date.

Five other players — outside linebackers Mason Platter and Paul Jackson, defensive end Kraig Howe, inside linebacker Ethan Cesarz and fullback Jake Collinsworth — were also absent from the Badgers’ spring roster, and a UW official confirmed they are no longer with the team.


Platter, a scholarship recruit who arrived on campus last summer, left the team for medical reasons.

Those who have switched positions since last season include Aaron Vopal (defensive end to offensive line), Nate Carter (quarterback to tight end), Hunter Johnson (running back to inside linebacker), Cormac Sampson (tight end to offensive line), Marty Strey (outside linebacker to inside linebacker) and Coy Wanner (fullback to tight end).

Other position changes that UW coach Paul Chryst confirmed Monday include Griffin Grady from inside linebacker to outside linebacker, Seth Currens from safety to inside linebacker and both Isaac Guerendo and Brady Schipper from wide receiver to running back.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2019, 07:25:42 PM
I will be attending the Husker spring game for around the 25th consecutive April

but, that's what Husker fans do

yes, I have other things to do that fine Saturday, such as golfing, but I enjoy the glimpse of the team
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ALA2262 on April 15, 2019, 12:57:29 PM
@ 847. Couple of spots left. And all beyond. Let your AD know. Orlando and Atlanta being unable to provide better opposition than Louisville and Duke caused Bama to abandon the Neutral Site game policy. 2020 and 2021 were already scheduled.

2019 - Duke (Atlanta)
2020 - USC (Dallas)
2021 - Miami (Atlanta)
2022 - @ Texas
2023 - Texas
2024 -
2025 -
2026 - @ West VA
2027 - West VA
2028 - @ Note Dame
2029 - Notre Dame
2030 -
2031 -
2032 - @ Oklahoma
2033 - Oklahoma
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 01:16:33 PM
24-25 is Virginia Tech. 30-31 is UCLA. I'd like to see more P-5 than one, but I doubt that will ever happen - particularly with those schools in conferences that play 9 games.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ALA2262 on April 15, 2019, 01:58:25 PM
24-25 is Virginia Tech. 30-31 is UCLA. I'd like to see more P-5 than one, but I doubt that will ever happen - particularly with those schools in conferences that play 9 games.
UCLA is 29-30. Would be:
2029- at UCLA
2030- UCLA, Alabama
2031- at Alabama
You would get both at home in the only year playing both. Right where you say you want them.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 01:59:59 PM
That would be fantastic. Are you positive about the UCLA years though? 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ALA2262 on April 15, 2019, 03:02:56 PM
That would be fantastic. Are you positive about the UCLA years though?
https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/wisconsin/ (https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/wisconsin/)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ALA2262 on April 15, 2019, 04:27:33 PM
Still can't believe Wisconsin was hoodwinked into those 2020-21 Shamrock Series games with ND. SEC and Big 12 TV contracts prohibit any such shenanigans. ND learned that the hard way. When they started that sham (it is well named) of a program, they booked stadiums in the SEC and Big 12 footprints, not knowing it was prohibited.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 04:47:55 PM
They played somebody in Dallas for that series, if I remember right. I don't know much about the thing, to be honest. All I know is it's how Alvarez was able to get them on the schedule, because that's what he said.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ALA2262 on April 15, 2019, 05:27:53 PM
They played somebody in Dallas for that series, if I remember right. I don't know much about the thing, to be honest. All I know is it's how Alvarez was able to get them on the schedule, because that's what he said.
I became an expert on it when I was wondering WTH ND was scheduled to play what I thought was neutral site games with Washington State in San Antonio in 2009 and with Baylor in New Orleans in 2012. ND must have been thinking WTH also because they sure had not intended it that way.

What I learned was they were not neutral sites games at all. They were off-site ND home games whereby ND controlled all of the tickets and NBC had the TV rights. They had booked the Alamo Dome thinking they could schedule UT or aTm and the Super Dome thinking they could schedule LSU or Bama. They found out the SEC and Big 12 TV contracts did not allow that. They bought out of the Super Dome booking and the Baylor scheduled game.

They also had booked Orlando in 2010 and 2011 thinking they could schedule UF and Bama. They got out of that contract because the Citrus Bowl did not make the required improvements to the stadium. They played Army at Yankee Stadium in 2010 and Maryland (ACC contract did not prohibit) in Landover in 2011.

They had to schedule another Pac 12 team, Arizona State for the 2013 game booked at JerryWorld, the Dallas game to which you refer. They were back in San Antonio in 2016 where it all started in 2009. They played Army because they were prohibited from scheduling a Big 12 or SEC team.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 15, 2019, 06:02:19 PM
ND has played the Shamrock series three times in Texas, in Arlington and twice in San Antonio (most recently in 2016). They played Pac-12 teams (Washington State and Arizona State) and Army there. Most of the other games have been against teams that were regularly scheduled, but whose home stadiums maybe weren't as exciting as playing in another nearby venue--with the exception of Miami at Soldier Field (others were Army and Syracuse at Yankee Stadium, Boston College at Fenway Park, Maryland at FedEx Field, and Purdue at Lucas Oil). Although not part of the Shamrock Series, they have also played Navy in Ireland (and will again in 2020), and when they play Navy away, they play all over the place, including San Diego, Jacksonville, FedEx Field in Maryland, and the Meadowlands. 

I don't understand the whole thing, but ND seems to like playing in those venues.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 06:59:35 PM
As for Wisconsin and the coming season, I'm calling it now. A true freshman will be the starting quarterback. If not for game one, soon after. Staff has played this spring very close to the vest, probably because of this kid. Every reporter has great things to say about what they've seen so far.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ALA2262 on April 15, 2019, 07:34:08 PM
ND has played the Shamrock series three times in Texas, in Arlington and twice in San Antonio (most recently in 2016). They played Pac-12 teams (Washington State and Arizona State) and Army there. Most of the other games have been against teams that were regularly scheduled, but whose home stadiums maybe weren't as exciting as playing in another nearby venue--with the exception of Miami at Soldier Field (others were Army and Syracuse at Yankee Stadium, Boston College at Fenway Park, Maryland at FedEx Field, and Purdue at Lucas Oil). Although not part of the Shamrock Series, they have also played Navy in Ireland (and will again in 2020), and when they play Navy away, they play all over the place, including San Diego, Jacksonville, FedEx Field in Maryland, and the Meadowlands.

I don't understand the whole thing, but ND seems to like playing in those venues.
If by venues you mean the Shamrock Series, it is easy to understand. They are off-site Home games. ND controls all of the tickets, and NBC has the TV rights.
If you mean the Navy venues, it all has to do with Navy. ND doesn't have anything to do with them, including the game in Ireland in 2012. Those are off-site Home games for Navy. All games in even numbered years are Navy Home games, and they have never played ND at home. I'm hoping that someday they will schedule one of them on an aircraft carrier. In the middle of an ocean!  :)

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2018&team1=Navy&team2=Notre+Dame (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2018&team1=Navy&team2=Notre+Dame)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 07:54:13 PM
F Notre Dame (not the cathedral - very sad).



That is all.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 16, 2019, 07:31:07 AM
Alvarez on non-conference:


I can’t even think of all the ones we have coming in. I know UCLA in the future. Notre Dame. The Notre Dame thing was very difficult from the time I took over as athletic director 15 years ago. I talked to Notre Dame about the possibility of us moving into a permanent role on their schedule because I knew they were talking about dropping Michigan, Michigan State and possibly Purdue. I think they ended up dropping Purdue and Michigan State. I tried to work in there. It just didn’t work out. Now they start the Shamrock Series. They called several years ago and said this might be able to work. We could work you into the Shamrock Series for a game. We’ll give you a game. And actually, the one in Lambeau is their home game. The one in Soldier Field will be our home game.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ALA2262 on April 16, 2019, 11:34:32 AM
Alvarez on non-conference:


I can’t even think of all the ones we have coming in. I know UCLA in the future. Notre Dame. The Notre Dame thing was very difficult from the time I took over as athletic director 15 years ago. I talked to Notre Dame about the possibility of us moving into a permanent role on their schedule because I knew they were talking about dropping Michigan, Michigan State and possibly Purdue. I think they ended up dropping Purdue and Michigan State. I tried to work in there. It just didn’t work out. Now they start the Shamrock Series. They called several years ago and said this might be able to work. We could work you into the Shamrock Series for a game. We’ll give you a game. And actually, the one in Lambeau is their home game. The one in Soldier Field will be our home game.
Semantics. Designated home teams to determine uniform color. Rest assured both games are Notre Dame off-site Home games where it counts, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 16, 2019, 11:48:53 AM
I'm thinking the Green Bay game will be on NBC and the Chicago game will be on Disney. They are splitting tickets (30K/each) at each venue. UW is not doing this for free, trust me. There is a reason they are top-5/10 in revenue every year, and playing for free is not that reason.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 16, 2019, 12:49:18 PM
Yeah, pretty safe bet that Barry has never felt that he needed ND on the schedule.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ALA2262 on April 16, 2019, 12:56:42 PM
I'm thinking the Green Bay game will be on NBC and the Chicago game will be on Disney. They are splitting tickets (30K/each) at each venue. UW is not doing this for free, trust me. There is a reason they are top-5/10 in revenue every year, and playing for free is not that reason.
I can see ND making some concessions in their negotiations with the Shamrock Series. I live in the Atlanta area, and as a former member of the Atlanta Sports Council, I know for a fact that Gary Stokan, President of the Chick-Fil-A Kickoff Classic has called ND perhaps more than any other school in an attempt to get them in his game. He would not continue to do so if they were not willing to bend a little.

Time will tell. ND did make this announcement:

"The games against Wisconsin will be the “Shamrock Series” game for Notre Dame for both seasons, Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick stated at the press conference announcing the events."

https://fbschedules.com/notre-dame-wisconsin-schedule-lambeau-soldier-field-football-series/ (https://fbschedules.com/notre-dame-wisconsin-schedule-lambeau-soldier-field-football-series/)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Ole Lardbelly on May 08, 2019, 12:11:27 PM
Badge & Honest Buckeye!  I made it over here....I wondered where in the heck everyone went...Ole Lardbelly
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 08, 2019, 12:12:27 PM
glad you made it
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on May 08, 2019, 03:12:41 PM
Badge & Honest Buckeye!  I made it over here....I wondered where in the heck everyone went...Ole Lardbelly
Saw your name on a Buckeye board but wasn't a member,welcome back
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 13, 2019, 08:43:15 AM
Badge & Honest Buckeye!  I made it over here....I wondered where in the heck everyone went...Ole Lardbelly
Very glad you made it over here. We lost a few people but for the most part it worked out OK. We need more to show up, for sure.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 17, 2019, 11:29:32 AM
Here's me taking a shot at the offensive depth chart for the season:


QB: Graham Mertz or Jack Coan
RB: Jonathon Taylor, Garrett Groshek, Julius Davis
FB: John Chenal, Mason Stokke
WR: AJ Taylor, Kendric Pryor, Jack Dunn
WR: Danny Davis, Taj Mustapha, Aron Cruickshank
TE: Jake Ferguson, Beau Benzshawel
LT: Cole Van Lanen, Logan Brown
LG: Kayden Lyles, David Moorman
C: Tyler Biadasz, Jason Erdmann
RG: Jason Erdmann, Michael Furtney
RT: Logan Bruss, Tyler Beach


The OL is truly a 2-deep position group again. There are more names that I left off, who could also make a huge impact. The group is now as deep as it's been since Paul Chryst took over in 2015. The only position group lacking depth right now is the TE position. Things a thin there, but help is on the way.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on May 17, 2019, 11:52:45 AM
My analysis of B1G HFA for Wisconsin from @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) 's countdown thread:

Wisconsin:  The Badgers have a tough road game in Columbus but after that their next four best opponents all have to visit Madison.  If they sweep the home games against M, IA, NU, and MSU then they'll be hard to keep out of Indianapolis. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 17, 2019, 12:26:08 PM
I think the game at Nebraska is going to be very tough. I know they are sick and tired of losing to Big Red every year.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 17, 2019, 12:34:16 PM
you are right about the 2nd sentence
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 30, 2019, 01:58:00 PM
Several kickoff times announced. The opening Friday game at USF will be at 6PM Central, on ESPN. Of course, UW's home game against Michigan will be at 11AM. Thanks Fox. No really. F you.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on May 30, 2019, 02:00:14 PM
Several kickoff times announced. The opening Friday game at USF will be at 6PM Central, on ESPN. Of course, UW's home game against Michigan will be at 11AM. Thanks Fox. No really. F you.
Was hoping the Big Ten would return the favor with Arizona State, and put that game at noon, but nope, 4PM
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on May 30, 2019, 02:11:21 PM
Several kickoff times announced. The opening Friday game at USF will be at 6PM Central, on ESPN. Of course, UW's home game against Michigan will be at 11AM. Thanks Fox. No really. F you.
Eff

I sometimes have work those fridays and hoped it would be later. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 30, 2019, 02:13:46 PM
2016 at Michigan: 2:30 PM
2017 at Madison: 11 AM
2018 at Michigan: 6:30 PM
2019 at Madison: 11 AM


Anyone who thinks Michigan doesn't special treatment is just plain fooling themselves.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 30, 2019, 02:14:24 PM
Eff

I sometimes have work those fridays and hoped it would be later.
I sense you have an illness coming on.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 30, 2019, 02:33:27 PM
well, someone made the stupid statement that the important BIG games would be in the 11am slot to get better ratings
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on June 09, 2019, 09:33:40 AM
Badge didn't want to pollute the Michigan thread with our glorious red goodness. But I'm just not that high on UW's WRs. 

That isn't to say they won't be good. They very well might be with another year. But I'm less sure at this juncture. They were supposed to step up last year, and even if you factor in bad QB play, many reports from games were that those dudes weren't getting all that open. 

Looking over all of it, I don't think UW has had a WR better than Alex Erickson since he left. I'd also argue the two best WRs UW has had since were Jazz Peavy, who was low-key quite good and just fell off the roster as a senior for some undisclosed reasons, and Quintez Cephus, who was quite good and maybe poised for more before possible committing real-life crimes. The group left is as follows:
-A.J. Taylor: He seems fine, decent. But feels like a No. 2 forced to be a No. 1. He's not been hyper consistent and has some drop issues.
-Danny Davis: He feels like the most talented guy and showed flashes as a freshman, but last year was mostly not there. Even if you trash the QB play, he averaged under 11 yards a catch. That's real bad. Hopefully he gets it right an becomes the No. 1 UW could use.
-Kendric Pryor: He's 5-11. Most of his big plays were jump balls for some reason. Was solid as a runner. Again, seems like a very nice No. 3 or 4 at best. 

Behind them, the next group had four combined catches from a 5-9 speedster, two walk-ons and a freshman who was redshirting. It could be a good group, but if the kid from Michigan, wanted to show up, sit a year and replace Taylor, I'd take him. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 09, 2019, 10:59:20 AM
I think the Cephus thing really screwed up the room last year. Don't forget he and Davis were roommates. Seems like everything that could go wrong last year, did.

And ya know what? I do believe the Hornibrook rumors.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on June 09, 2019, 12:58:34 PM
2016 at Michigan: 2:30 PM
2017 at Madison: 11 AM
2018 at Michigan: 6:30 PM
2019 at Madison: 11 AM


Anyone who thinks Michigan doesn't special treatment is just plain fooling themselves.
Are those all on the same network?  Or are just the 11:00 games on Fox?
Fox has made the decision to feature its marquee game of the day at 11:00.
The OU-Texas game will be covered by Fox and will be at 11:00.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 09, 2019, 01:21:31 PM
I know this about Fox...


I will guarantee you that Wisconsin will play at Michigan next season, at 2:30 Central or later.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on June 09, 2019, 03:30:21 PM
On Fox, you are saying?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 09, 2019, 03:45:39 PM
Nope. Disney.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on June 09, 2019, 04:02:43 PM
Heh!

Not Looney Tunes?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 09, 2019, 04:23:38 PM
Nah. One of Mickey's channels will pick this one up. Michigan State plays Miami (FL) in East Lansing on the same day. Fox will grab that one for 11AM.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 10, 2019, 12:11:08 PM
And ya know what? I do believe the Hornibrook rumors.
What rumors? You've piqued my curiosity.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on June 10, 2019, 12:24:09 PM
2016 at Michigan: 2:30 PM
2017 at Madison: 11 AM
2018 at Michigan: 6:30 PM
2019 at Madison: 11 AM


Anyone who thinks Michigan doesn't special treatment is just plain fooling themselves.
If this is evidence of special treatment, it's pretty meager. Special treatment implies that outside forces made these times happen, but Michigan chose that home night game. Can't Wisconsin choose its night games, too?

Also: Isn't the evidence lacking for "Night Game HFA" in the Big Ten? I am skeptical there's much advantage to night games. I also happen to prefer noon kicks every week, both home and away, so if these "special powers who make everything so easy for Michigan" are scheduling Michigan for prime time, they also aren't doing me any favors.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 10, 2019, 12:47:49 PM
What rumors? You've piqued my curiosity.
The one about the lineman's girlfriend and the resulting concussion, and transfer.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on June 10, 2019, 01:02:22 PM
2016 at Michigan: 2:30 PM
2017 at Madison: 11 AM
2018 at Michigan: 6:30 PM
2019 at Madison: 11 AM


Anyone who thinks Michigan doesn't special treatment is just plain fooling themselves.
Lol.

Since when does Michigan pick the times for games?

The TV Networks that pay the schools billions and billions of dollars reserve the right to pick the air times. That's why they pay them so much god damn money. They are always looking to maximize exposure to get the highest possible ad revenue to recoup their enormous investment in securing the television rights.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 10, 2019, 01:16:55 PM
The last time (2017) Michigan played in Madison, it was in November. Night games not allowed. 

In 2009, the game was also in November. 

Next year in Ann Arbor will be in September. And it will be an afternoon or a night game. I just want to see Michigan play at night again in Madison. The last time (2005) was fun for me. I thought this one would be for sure, but then came Fox.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on June 10, 2019, 01:24:58 PM
It was a fun game for me as well
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on June 10, 2019, 01:31:32 PM
The last time (2017) Michigan played in Madison, it was in November. Night games not allowed.

In 2009, the game was also in November.

Next year in Ann Arbor will be in September. And it will be an afternoon or a night game. I just want to see Michigan play at night again in Madison. The last time (2005) was fun for me. I thought this one would be for sure, but then came Fox.
I'd love to see it as well. I love night games.

However, I'm pretty sure that's for the most part all up to the televisions.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 10, 2019, 01:35:17 PM
The one about the lineman's girlfriend and the resulting concussion, and transfer.
Huh. Hadn't heard that, but now that you mention it, I'm seeing it around the interwebz. Curious. And not the craziest thing I've heard. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on June 10, 2019, 04:10:15 PM
The last time (2017) Michigan played in Madison, it was in November. Night games not allowed.

In 2009, the game was also in November.

Next year in Ann Arbor will be in September. And it will be an afternoon or a night game. I just want to see Michigan play at night again in Madison. The last time (2005) was fun for me. I thought this one would be for sure, but then came Fox.
I believe the Big Ten got rid of the November night game ban.

Last year, Notre Dame at Northwestern was a night game.  The year before, Minnesota at Michigan and Purdue at Northwestern both were.  In 2016, Iowa at Penn State, Nebraska at Ohio State, Minnesota at Nebraska, Michigan at Iowa, and Penn State at Rutgers all were.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on June 10, 2019, 06:09:27 PM
The one about the lineman's girlfriend and the resulting concussion, and transfer.
Oh geez, not that one. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 10, 2019, 06:27:55 PM
Oh geez, not that one.
I wasn't buying it at first either.

But, if you listen to the kids left in the locker room, there have been a lot of cryptic comments about how great team chemistry is, right now.

One went as far to say it was off last season.

So yeah, that one.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 27, 2019, 06:36:31 PM
Scott Tolzien has joined the Wisconsin staff as an offensive analyst for the upcoming season. I like this a lot - one of PC's prized pupils. Also, Warren Herring has joined in the same capacity for defense.

More Badgers in the fold.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on June 27, 2019, 10:33:48 PM
in breeding
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on July 02, 2019, 06:45:38 PM
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/film-study/2019/07/105067/film-study-despite-running-the-same-system-for-nearly-two-decades-wisconsins-oversized-offense-continues


Thought you Badgers might enjoy. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on July 09, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/film-study/2019/07/105067/film-study-despite-running-the-same-system-for-nearly-two-decades-wisconsins-oversized-offense-continues


Thought you Badgers might enjoy. 
I found that interesting ... but flawed. I like Jones, though he is not Ross Fulton, but he falls into some of the age-old traps when it comes to a film guy, not going through all the context and grabbing a few of the wrong games. 

The first issue is wide zone. That was a staple of the team in the Alvarez era. But under Chryst with BB and his first few years back, the team was inside zone/power/pin-and-pull, with maybe a hint of outside and some slice zone. The package has expanded in recent years, working in some counter and OZ, primarily I think because Taylor on OZ is super good.

He also has a slight issue with the GT counter stuff. UW has mostly been an H counter team, or run lead power that looks like counter. The GT stuff was either new this year or last year, mainly to add to the second-and-long run game. He points to them running GT counter read, which I know only was a bowl wrinkle. It also feels weird to call anything a pin-and-pull wide zone. That seems like a stretch, especially since it's being run into a stunt. 

The presnap movement example he shows is likewise not a base play. 

The first passing example is good, but the second two are more bowl projecting. He brings out a mesh play out of 22 personnel, not even talking about the FB/outer TE post/wheel which is far more interesting. Mesh is the concept of highest popularity online these days. The emphasis on screens was also a bowl thing, something UW fans have been clamoring for for a while.

UW's pass game is a lot of intermediate stuff when working. Going back to 2017 woulda been better for that, as 2018 had Hornibook being a mess and a lot of trying to help the young QB out. 

Anyway, still like the work, but this was a bit lacking. (If I get a minute I could probably break down a game or two, at least on the run side)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on July 10, 2019, 06:48:43 AM
Good breakdown.    I like understanding the concepts so thank you.

If word out of Badgerville is accurate this new slinger is the real deal (Martz)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on July 10, 2019, 07:42:59 AM
Good article HB,like the fact that the game is in C-Bus this year
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Temp430 on July 10, 2019, 10:06:50 AM
Wisconsin has a bye week before they play Michigan this year.  So does Michigan.  I'd rather Michigan not play a top shelf Big Ten opponent as the first conference game in September but it is what it is. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 10, 2019, 10:11:46 AM
Good breakdown.    I like understanding the concepts so thank you.

If word out of Badgerville is accurate this new slinger is the real deal (Martz)
Mertz, but yeah, people are excited. He's a true frosh though, so we'll see.


I'm thinking Coan starts our the season and Mertz takes over. Also can't sleep on Chase Wolf. Urby tried to flip him late in the process for the 2017 class, so there's something.



https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2018/05/07/chase-wolf-urban-meyer-flip-request-uc-recruiting-effort/587809002/
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on July 10, 2019, 10:25:29 AM
starting true frosh is the new trend
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 10, 2019, 11:07:00 AM
We're talking about Paul Chryst here. Not even Jonathan Taylor started game one.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on July 10, 2019, 11:49:41 AM
perhaps you should have a talk with Paul?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 10, 2019, 12:06:35 PM
I think he's doing pretty good without my input. ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on July 10, 2019, 12:08:47 PM
Get him up to the harbor and fix some Sharkwater or White Russians 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on July 10, 2019, 12:09:34 PM
that's something we don't hear from you everyday!!!

;)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on July 10, 2019, 01:14:01 PM
We're talking about Paul Chryst here. Not even Jonathan Taylor started game one.
This dynamic will fascinate me. I don’t think Coan is all that good. 

But I’m not sure Mertz is that good yet. Might have to lose Mich before a switch. We’ve seen what? Two-three QB benchings with him running the offense, plus a couple injury fill-ins?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 10, 2019, 03:01:00 PM
This dynamic will fascinate me. I don’t think Coan is all that good.

But I’m not sure Mertz is that good yet. Might have to lose Mich before a switch. We’ve seen what? Two-three QB benchings with him running the offense, plus a couple injury fill-ins?
I think his boss will remind him that UW doesn't lose to Michigan if his boss started Brooks over Kavanaugh back in 1999.


Coan is a game manager, and can't really run. UW needs more this season.


If Mertz or Wolf wins the job in the Fall, he has to do it. Think 2009. Everyone thought for sure Sherer was getting that job, and he gave it to Scotty.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 10, 2019, 03:21:41 PM
I think his boss will remind him that UW doesn't lose to Michigan if his boss started Brooks over Kavanaugh back in 1999.

That one would be a lot more infamous if Barry hadn't finally gotten over the Lloyd Carr obstacle in his 2005 swan song.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on July 10, 2019, 04:56:28 PM
That one would be a lot more infamous if Barry hadn't finally gotten over the Lloyd Carr obstacle in his 2005 swan song.
 That 2005 game is one of the greatest games ever played, and I will hear nothing to the contrary 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on July 10, 2019, 05:01:01 PM
I think his boss will remind him that UW doesn't lose to Michigan if his boss started Brooks over Kavanaugh back in 1999.


Coan is a game manager, and can't really run. UW needs more this season.


If Mertz or Wolf wins the job in the Fall, he has to do it. Think 2009. Everyone thought for sure Sherer was getting that job, and he gave it to Scotty.
I watched the 1 1/2 quarters of that 1999 game. If almost everyone else hadn’t played like garbage,  they probably win that game. and that’s before watching Dayne get held to no yards after halftime.

2009 was weird. Sherer seemed the default answer with fans clamoring for the shiny freshman. Then Scott came into camp and in two weeks, Sherer was out of it.

Just need Wolf and Mertz to be good enough, and I’ll trust PC to have a good gage of when that is. But that’s the key. Scott brought his game to where he was good enough and the staff trusted him.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on July 10, 2019, 05:05:31 PM
That 2005 game is one of the greatest games ever played, and I will hear nothing to the contrary
Ballsy call late- great game
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 10, 2019, 06:07:35 PM
That game in Madison was the site of the first-ever CFN board meeting. 

I think Gator might still be bitter with that one. 

Hehe. Sorry. I'll never forget his reaction that night.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on July 10, 2019, 06:11:59 PM
Ballsy call late- great game
 What was interesting was that it was the perfect kind of call because it was slightly ballsy, but secretly not that crazy of a call 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 10, 2019, 06:19:23 PM
I watched the 1 1/2 quarters of that 1999 game. If almost everyone else hadn’t played like garbage,  they probably win that game. and that’s before watching Dayne get held to no yards after halftime.

2009 was weird. Sherer seemed the default answer with fans clamoring for the shiny freshman. Then Scott came into camp and in two weeks, Sherer was out of it.

Just need Wolf and Mertz to be good enough, and I’ll trust PC to have a good gage of when that is. But that’s the key. Scott brought his game to where he was good enough and the staff trusted him.
This is crucial to the season, in my mind. Unless Coan has a lot more to show, that is.

I still think the AXE is still in Madison had he started that game. AH had nothing and gave the game away. Yeah, he had a little help, but still. Horrible.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 10, 2019, 06:39:29 PM
That 2005 game is one of the greatest games ever played, and I will hear nothing to the contrary
😅
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on July 10, 2019, 06:51:44 PM
This is crucial to the season, in my mind. Unless Coan has a lot more to show, that is.

I still think the AXE is still in Madison had he started that game. AH had nothing and gave the game away. Yeah, he had a little help, but still. Horrible.
I don’t 100 percent agree, but while I usually snap back at QB counter factuals ... on a day when everyone just crapped all over the field, he was far and away the leader. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on July 10, 2019, 06:59:13 PM
That game in Madison was the site of the first-ever CFN board meeting.
You and him wasn't it?Thanx for inviting the rest of us Fui
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 10, 2019, 07:36:34 PM
You and him wasn't it?Thanx for inviting the rest of us Fui
Everyone was invited.

We had Gator, Mex the Dog, El Tigre Rex, Razorchique, Lil Dawg, Burnt eyes, Fearless, K State Lady and maybe a couple more? Cincy was supposed to be there, but he lost his son in Iraq shortly before.


I don't think most of you thought it wouldn't really go off. It did. I'd like to get a reset on it. It's been a few years now.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on July 10, 2019, 08:36:29 PM
Didn't you and gator hook up before for a Penn St game?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 10, 2019, 11:43:08 PM
Didn't you and gator hook up before for a Penn St game?
Yep. 2003. I flew out and met Gator at the Pitt airport. Then he drove us out there while I was on a conference call the whole way almost.


My Madison crew had connections and they all drove out in a caravan and hooked us up with a great tailgate.


We all shook hands with Jerry Sandfuckball... yeah. That guy. Long story. I could recite it, but.. well, we had good steaks and Scotch.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on July 11, 2019, 06:51:36 AM
Damn Scotch & Steaks - there's a good marinade in there but I'm not ponying up for it.God if you only knew at the time could have taken out that creep and helped a lot of kids at the same time
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on July 11, 2019, 01:52:57 PM
Everyone was invited.

We had Gator, Mex the Dog, El Tigre Rex, Razorchique, Lil Dawg, Burnt eyes, Fearless, K State Lady and maybe a couple more? Cincy was supposed to be there, but he lost his son in Iraq shortly before.


I don't think most of you thought it wouldn't really go off. It did. I'd like to get a reset on it. It's been a few years now.
yup, I was there.  I thought that was the night El Tigre showed off the SEC speed.
Wasn't the big Gopher there?
He seems to show up everywhere
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 11, 2019, 01:55:38 PM
yup, I was there.  I thought that was the night El Tigre showed off the SEC speed.
Wasn't the big Gopher there?
He seems to show up everywhere
He didn't come to the first one. And that was not the night of El Tigre. That was for Iowa a few years later. Cincy was there, as was Lil Dawg, GR, SF RC, and a few more. Memory fades.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: GopherRock on July 12, 2019, 04:03:33 PM
He didn't come to the first one. And that was not the night of El Tigre. That was for Iowa a few years later. Cincy was there, as was Lil Dawg, GR, SF RC, and a few more. Memory fades.
I was not in Madison for Tk's brazen display of SEC speed. I think I heard about it a few weeks later in Austin. 

If you're looking at a site for a potential revival of the Board Meeting, may I suggest Minneapolis on October 12? Not sure when boating season ends, but most of Fearless' crew from Lincoln will be plying their trade on the East River Flats. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2019, 05:26:40 PM
good call, I'll be there!

another option would be the Badger game in Lincoln on Nov 16th

SHARKWATER
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 29, 2019, 02:45:21 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAqUZEVXkAAVJjR.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 29, 2019, 02:46:17 PM
Home and home, 2024 and 2025. 2024 in Madison.


I'm shocked at this.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on July 29, 2019, 02:55:51 PM
So, I guess we can set 2023 for Saban's retirement?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on July 29, 2019, 03:07:02 PM
So, I guess we can set 2023 for Saban's retirement?
why? bama has consistently played big teams since saban's arrival, including h/a series. he's also been very outspoken about wanting to play more p5 teams and getting everyone on similar schedules (9conf games, 10 p5, etc)

this should be an awesome trip. can't wait.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on July 29, 2019, 03:11:25 PM
why? bama has consistently played big teams since saban's arrival, including h/a series. he's also been very outspoken about wanting to play more p5 teams and getting everyone on similar schedules (9conf games, 10 p5, etc)

this should be an awesome trip. can't wait.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/nick-saban-explains-why-alabama-canceled-on-michigan-state/ (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/nick-saban-explains-why-alabama-canceled-on-michigan-state/)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 29, 2019, 03:11:28 PM
I'm just happy that it's happening. It appears that this replaces Virginia Tech on Wisconsin's schedule, which is a bummer.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on July 29, 2019, 03:22:39 PM
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/nick-saban-explains-why-alabama-canceled-on-michigan-state/ (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/nick-saban-explains-why-alabama-canceled-on-michigan-state/)
and?

he's also spoken several times, including last week, about improving schedule, trying to schedule multiple p5 teams in a season, going to 9 conf games and making that standard for p5 confs. him giving a reason they cancelled a series 4+ years ago doesn't change the fact he's been outspoken about scheduling better.

fwiw, he might be gone by then. that's a long way out for someone pushing 70. but i seriously doubt it's got anything to do with playing a h/a series. also, we have h/a series with texas, nd, wvu and ou as well in next decade+.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 29, 2019, 03:47:25 PM
I'm just happy that it's happening. It appears that this replaces Virginia Tech on Wisconsin's schedule, which is a bummer.
VT is now 2031 and 2032. Whatever. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on July 29, 2019, 04:52:27 PM
and?

he's also spoken several times, including last week, about improving schedule, trying to schedule multiple p5 teams in a season, going to 9 conf games and making that standard for p5 confs. him giving a reason they cancelled a series 4+ years ago doesn't change the fact he's been outspoken about scheduling better.

fwiw, he might be gone by then. that's a long way out for someone pushing 70. but i seriously doubt it's got anything to do with playing a h/a series. also, we have h/a series with texas, nd, wvu and ou as well in next decade+.
Nobody is saying Alabama is trying to duck people.  Simply that they haven't under Saban, been willing to play true non-conference road games.  Whatever they are doing, it's working for them, they are the gold standard, and nobody thinks Saban is "scared" to play those games or anything, simply that they haven't been willing to, and he has a quote saying why.  Saban has only played 1 in his entire tenure, 2011 at Penn State.  2022 at Texas will be his second, if he's still there.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on July 29, 2019, 06:09:10 PM
The 2024 game should be awesome!
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on July 29, 2019, 06:28:13 PM
I'm just happy that Badge can quit bitching now
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on July 29, 2019, 06:29:23 PM
Just saw this on the screen at Buffalo wild wings.  Sent Badge a text then had to login on my phone!
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 29, 2019, 06:49:42 PM
I just read your text. I'm not a texter really...
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on July 29, 2019, 10:15:42 PM
yes, I'm aware

but, I'm not much of a poster via phone

I couldn't contain myself
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 30, 2019, 07:10:01 AM
OLB Griffin Grady is retiring from football due to injury. UW is pursuing a medical scholarship for him, so he can remain on campus and wrap up his degree.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ALA2262 on July 30, 2019, 08:56:43 AM
Nobody is saying Alabama is trying to duck people.  Simply that they haven't under Saban, been willing to play true non-conference road games.  Whatever they are doing, it's working for them, they are the gold standard, and nobody thinks Saban is "scared" to play those games or anything, simply that they haven't been willing to, and he has a quote saying why.  Saban has only played 1 in his entire tenure, 2011 at Penn State.  2022 at Texas will be his second, if he's still there.
The Alabama neutral site policy evolved because of GT asking out of the 2013-2014 H/H series with Bama. At the time the Atlanta Sports Council (read Gary Stokan) had a tentative agreement with USC (read Pete Carroll) to play in their game in either, not both, of those years. Pete's prefered opponent was Bama. Not knowing which year Pete would choose, Stokan was already in negotiations with Bama for both years. When GT asked out, it became a no brainer for Bama and they signed a contract for both years with the ASC. The USC agreement ended when Carroll left USC, and Bama wound up playing Va Tech and WVU.

The policy has ended because of Orlando's and Atlanta's inability to schedule better opposition than Louisville and Duke. One need only to look at Bama's future schedule(s) to see that is the case.
 
2020 - USC (Dallas)
2021 - Miami (Atlanta)
2022 - @ Texas
2023 - Texas
2024 - @ Wisconsin
2025 - Wisconsin
2026 - @ West VA
2027 - West VA
2028 - @ Notre Dame
2029 - Notre Dame
2030 -
2031 -
2032 - @ Oklahoma
2033 - Oklahoma
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on July 30, 2019, 12:28:50 PM
The Alabama neutral site policy evolved because of GT asking out of the 2013-2014 H/H series with Bama. At the time the Atlanta Sports Council (read Gary Stokan) had a tentative agreement with USC (read Pete Carroll) to play in their game in either, not both, of those years. Pete's prefered opponent was Bama. Not knowing which year Pete would choose, Stokan was already in negotiations with Bama for both years. When GT asked out, it became a no brainer for Bama and they signed a contract for both years with the ASC. The USC agreement ended when Carroll left USC, and Bama wound up playing Va Tech and WVU.

The policy has ended because of Orlando's and Atlanta's inability to schedule better opposition than Louisville and Duke. One need only to look at Bama's future schedule(s) to see that is the case.
 
2020 - USC (Dallas)
2021 - Miami (Atlanta)
2022 - @ Texas
2023 - Texas
2024 - @ Wisconsin
2025 - Wisconsin
2026 - @ West VA
2027 - West VA
2028 - @ Notre Dame
2029 - Notre Dame
2030 -
2031 -
2032 - @ Oklahoma
2033 - Oklahoma
2262, Bama seldom playing true road OOC games goes back pretty far.  Before the 2011 game at Penn State that ELA mentioned, you have to go back to 2002 and the Mike Shula era, when Bama played OU in Norman.  There was a 2000 game at UCLA, and then you've got to go back to 1990 1991 and a game at Memphis.

Bama is great and Saban is--it seems clear to me--the greatest ever.  But the scheduling history shows that--for almost 30 years--true road OOC games have been few and far between.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on July 30, 2019, 12:53:11 PM
2262, Bama seldom playing true road OOC games goes back pretty far.  Before the 2011 game at Penn State that ELA mentioned, you have to go back to 2002 and the Mike Shula era, when Bama played OU in Norman.  There was a 2000 game at UCLA, and then you've got to go back to 1990 and a game at Memphis.

Bama is great and Saban is--it seems clear to me--the greatest ever.  But the scheduling history shows that--for almost 30 years--true road OOC games have been few and far between.
first, this will be my last post strictly on bama in the wisky offseason thread. sorry badger fans.

1990 @ sw louisiana (no idea why we played them there, but we did)
1991 @ memphis (you had wrong year)
1992 @ tulane (part of a series, 93-94)
1996 @ nc state (part of a series, 95)

so you've got:
1990 - true road game, sw louisiana
1991 - true road game, memphis
1992 - true road game, tulane
1993 - return trip in h/a series, tulane home game
1994 - again tulane at home, maybe it was 2 for 1, don't know. but no true road game.
1995 - home game vs nc state, part of h/a series
1996 - true road game, nc state
1997 - no road game, no series
1998 - no road game, no series
1999 - no road game, no series
2000 - @ ucla, part of series
2001 - home vs ucla, part of series
2002 - @ ou, part of series
2003 - home v ou, part of series
2004 - no road game, no series
2005 - no road game, no series
2006 - no road game, no series
2007 - neutral game, vs fsu (jacksonville)
2008 - ... most everyone knows the drill from here

so since 1990, there's 2 periods of 3 year where we didn't either have a true road game or a series going, or playing a top team in a neutral game. btw, both periods were during our probation years. not sure it intentional or coincidental. 30 years, only 6 without a series or good ooc game. not to bad. and really, it goes a lot further back than just 30 years.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on July 30, 2019, 02:13:27 PM
2262 and RTF:

Mea Culpa.

I stand corrected and please accept my apology.  My only excuse (other than having a typo on the 1991 Memphis game) is that I didn't look carefully enough to find those OOC games embedded in the middle of the season.  I knew they were there, and I looked for them, but obviously not closely enough.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on July 30, 2019, 02:30:22 PM
2262 and RTF:

Mea Culpa.

I stand corrected and please accept my apology.  My only excuse (other than having a typo on the 1991 Memphis game) is that I didn't look carefully enough to find those OOC games embedded in the middle of the season.  I knew they were there, and I looked for them, but obviously not closely enough.
it's cool, it happens. honestly, only reason i knew where to look is this has been a common argument against bama for a while now and i've seen the info before.

to be honest, i and most bama fans i know, are incredibly excited to have true home/away games again. especially against great teams/atmospheres like wisconsin. neutral games can be great, but they get tiring quick.

very much looking forward to camp randall.

saw some badger fans already trash talking, saying that last time 18-22 year old men from bama came to camp randall it wasn't so fun for them. (camp randall was a civil war pow camp). thought you'd enjoy that @CWSooner (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1544) and @Badger1969 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=67) 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on July 30, 2019, 03:02:46 PM
Those are some cold Badger fans!
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 30, 2019, 03:27:22 PM
And rare. 

All I hope is that this turns out the same for Saban as the last time he coached a game up there. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on July 30, 2019, 04:08:52 PM
better find a QB
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on July 30, 2019, 04:16:58 PM
And rare.

All I hope is that this turns out the same for Saban as the last time he coached a game up there. :)
last time he was there he didn't have sec speed.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 30, 2019, 04:22:36 PM
last time he was there he didn't have sec speed.
Neither did Big Red. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ALA2262 on July 30, 2019, 05:47:46 PM
first, this will be my last post strictly on bama in the wisky offseason thread. sorry badger fans.

1990 @ sw louisiana (no idea why we played them there, but we did)
1991 @ memphis (you had wrong year)
1992 @ tulane (part of a series, 93-94)
1996 @ nc state (part of a series, 95)

so you've got:
1990 - true road game, sw louisiana
1991 - true road game, memphis
1992 - true road game, tulane
1993 - return trip in h/a series, tulane home game
1994 - again tulane at home, maybe it was 2 for 1, don't know. but no true road game.
1995 - home game vs nc state, part of h/a series
1996 - true road game, nc state
1997 - no road game, no series
1998 - no road game, no series
1999 - no road game, no series
2000 - @ ucla, part of series
2001 - home vs ucla, part of series
2002 - @ ou, part of series
2003 - home v ou, part of series
2004 - no road game, no series
2005 - no road game, no series
2006 - no road game, no series
2007 - neutral game, vs fsu (jacksonville)
2008 - ... most everyone knows the drill from here

so since 1990, there's 2 periods of 3 year where we didn't either have a true road game or a series going, or playing a top team in a neutral game. btw, both periods were during our probation years. not sure it intentional or coincidental. 30 years, only 6 without a series or good ooc game. not to bad. and really, it goes a lot further back than just 30 years.

Played at what is now Louisiana-Lafayette in 1990 because Coach Bryant had promised them a game. No contract, but it was confirmed that the promise was made so, by gawd, Bama went.

Since neither of you mentioned Hawaii, I will. 2002 and 2003. Ineligible for a Bowl, so Bama went there at the end of those seasons. :) There is a rule now, of course, that prohibits schools from doing that.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ALA2262 on July 30, 2019, 06:03:25 PM
it's cool, it happens. honestly, only reason i knew where to look is this has been a common argument against bama for a while now and i've seen the info before.

to be honest, i and most bama fans i know, are incredibly excited to have true home/away games again. especially against great teams/atmospheres like wisconsin. neutral games can be great, but they get tiring quick.

very much looking forward to camp randall.

saw some badger fans already trash talking, saying that last time 18-22 year old men from bama came to camp randall it wasn't so fun for them. (camp randall was a civil war pow camp). thought you'd enjoy that @CWSooner (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1544) and @Badger1969 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=67)
They were right only in that it was no fun. They missed the date 60+ years. Bama football lost 0-15 at Wisconsin in 1928.

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2018&team1=Alabama&team2=Wisconsin (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2018&team1=Alabama&team2=Wisconsin)

Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 30, 2019, 06:06:01 PM
They were right only in that it was no fun. They missed the date 60+ years. Bama football lost 0-15 at Wisconsin in 1928.

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2018&team1=Alabama&team2=Wisconsin (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2018&team1=Alabama&team2=Wisconsin)


Some people are just plain idgits.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 03, 2019, 10:40:12 AM
Former UW WR Quintez Cephus was found not guilty of two sexual assault charges yesterday. The jury took all of 30 minutes to decide.

The case should have never been prosecuted. 

UW looks really bad here too. QC was expelled for exactly no reason.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 03, 2019, 11:06:27 AM
they saw what happened to Tracy Claeys
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 03, 2019, 11:27:08 AM
Except that this was a case where nothing illegal happened. The PC police in Madison forced the issue. Despite being suspended from football activities, QC wanted to remain in school, and he was not allowed to do so.

Guilty until not guilty. Some heads should roll here, but Madison.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 03, 2019, 01:26:05 PM
Former UW WR Quintez Cephus was found not guilty of two sexual assault charges yesterday. The jury took all of 30 minutes to decide.

The case should have never been prosecuted.

UW looks really bad here too. QC was expelled for exactly no reason.
I think it's important for universities and courts to have different burdens of proof. It's inevitable that sometimes (relatively often even) a guilty person won't be able to be proven guilty in court. For those times, if universities use the "beyond a reasonable doubt" then the entire system is built to leave true victims with no one on their side. On the other hand, the courts cannot in good faith switch to a "preponderance of evidence" burden of proof, because jail time is too stiff a punishment to think more about victims than "trying our hardest to never be wrong, even if that means producing false negatives."

In short, the current Title IX advisements and the justice system balance each other nicely.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on August 03, 2019, 02:54:03 PM
I think it's important for universities and courts to have different burdens of proof. It's inevitable that sometimes (relatively often even) a guilty person won't be able to be proven guilty in court. For those times, if universities use the "beyond a reasonable doubt" then the entire system is built to leave true victims with no one on their side. On the other hand, the courts cannot in good faith switch to a "preponderance of evidence" burden of proof, because jail time is too stiff a punishment to think more about victims than "trying our hardest to never be wrong, even if that means producing false negatives."

In short, the current Title IX advisements and the justice system balance each other nicely.
It's not the standard of evidence so much as it is the procedures that are stacked in favor of the accuser--with zero presumption of innocence--that constitutes the biggest problem with Title IX.

IMO, regardless of what the criminal justice system does or does not do, it's not right for someone who has done nothing seriously wrong to get kicked out of school because his ex-girlfriend says--with no corroborating evidence--that he was abusive to her two years ago.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 03, 2019, 03:44:57 PM
It is the burden of proof that is operative here. The procedures of the justice system versus the procedures of Title IX are different in ways that reflect, are set by, and are in proportion to their different burdens of proof.

As I already admitted, though, yes, there are problems both ways. Ideally we'd never have false positives and we'd never have false negatives. That a guilty person will always be punished and an innocent one will never be. When either of those happens, that's a problem. And maybe there's too much of both.

But you can't guarantee that (upon reviewing both the justice system's risk of false negatives and Title IX's risk of false positives) that the net epidemic leans in favor of "too often the ladies lie." It's unfounded, for example, to say there are more women lying about these crimes than there are unconvicted men who really did commit the crime.

And until we find a system where both false negatives and false positives are rare, justice means balancing the protections for both groups.

Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on August 03, 2019, 05:21:57 PM
Civil lawsuits already provide a remedy for those who have been injured, in whose case the burden of proof against the wrongdoer was not met in a criminal trial.

Title IX enforcement is not part of any judicial process or system.  But it has become at many schools a system of kangaroo courts where the accused is not allowed to face his/her accuser, not allowed to have counsel present, and essentially has to prove himself (rarely herself) innocent.

To say that we acquit many guilty parties in criminal trials, so to make up for that we'll convict many innocent parties in Title IX proceedings, and that that somehow balances the scales, is ridiculous, IMO.  We should not be seeking to average out the statistics, getting roughly as many false punishments as we get false acquittals, and call that justice.

If I am punished for doing nothing wrong, through procedures in which I was assumed guilty going in, the fact that some genuine bad actor elsewhere was acquitted in a criminal trial is no comfort to me.  But it is an injustice.

Again, civil lawsuits are already there as a remedy, and require a lower standard of evidence.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 03, 2019, 06:52:47 PM
My point doesn't rest on an interest in false positives. We can reframe it. That the issue here is also largely cultural. In the era before Title IX received its current "preponderance of evidence" advisement, victims too seldom felt comfortable bringing trials and civil suits. Separate from our conversation thus far about giving victims another (easier) test for true positives (perpetrators who truly committed the crime) at the risk of false positives (the wrongfully accused), this change to "preponderance of evidence" also gives victims more confidence that they will be taken seriously and (though it may be too soon to tell) further dissuades the crimes in the first place. That both increases the rates of legitimate reporting and decreases the rates of - for example - sexual assault. By itself, those are significant wins for the public good.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on August 03, 2019, 07:16:33 PM
"Preponderance of the evidence" is already the standard in a civil suit.  Title IX proceedings don't even meet that standard.

I agree that "by itself" the result of Title IX in encouraging victims to file complaints and testify is a net good.  But when the system is producing a high percentage of wrongful punishments, that negates the gain.

Schools all across the country are getting sued by people wrongfully accused and punished, and the schools are losing those suits.

Nobody wants bad actors to go unpunished, and everybody wants the victims to feel free to come forward.  But in pursuit of this good we cannot set up an alternative "justice" system where due process is ignored, the presumption of innocence is thrown out, the accused cannot have counsel present and cannot cross-examine the accuser, and there is no right of appeal.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 03, 2019, 07:22:10 PM
How do you define "a high percentage of wrongful punishments," and where did you find that data?

Also, I think it's misconstruing things to say that those who sue the universities -- even those who sue and win -- were wrongfully punished. As if that's proven. Calling it proven would be a bridge too far. Not even the criminal justice system is capable of "proving" innocence. Those lawsuits only prove discontent, and we should expect both the rightfully and wrongfully accused to express such discontent. 

Heck, we should even expect the *rightfully* accused to *usually* win versus universities in civil court if their accuser never brought criminal charges.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on August 03, 2019, 07:41:02 PM
This doesn't directly answer your questions.

But I think it is a fair critique of the problems with Title IX being enforced with administrative committees with such little guidance and oversight that they can end up being kangaroo courts.

The Problem With Title IX and Why It Matters (https://theprincetontory.com/the-problem-with-title-ix-and-why-it-matters/)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 03, 2019, 08:26:23 PM
Thanks, I'll try to read it tonight. I think I understand the pitfalls you describe, even mentioning them preemptively. So far I think the impasse is respectful -- that I just weigh these differently -- but I am open to learning there's more to it.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on August 04, 2019, 12:02:43 AM
Thanks, AC.

I'm not insisting that you come back and say that I'm right.  Title IX as a whole has certainly done a lot of good.  But I do think this aspect of it needs to be tightened up.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 06, 2019, 04:10:25 PM
Wow--interesting discussion here.

Not guilty isn't the same as didn't do it--it means not proven beyond the reasonable doubts of a jury. Anyone involved in the criminal justice system can recite stories of culpable people who won a not guilty verdict.

Schools have definitely struggled with implementing good procedures to deal with allegations of sexual misconduct. Finding the right balance is really, really hard. No matter how you cut it, a finder of fact (whether a jury, a judge, a panel of professors, whatever) will struggle with close calls, and inevitably get some wrong. What we do know is that historically, universities have not done enough to protect (mostly) women from abuse. It may be that the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction, though, frankly, that would surprise me. Which isn't to say that innocent people haven't been harmed.

EDIT: But, the freshman writer of that opinion piece for an opinion outlet knows very little about standards of evidence and how they work in the real world. Using the beyond a reasonable doubt standard would be the death knell of Title IX sexual assault queries. And no, suspension, or even expulsion, from a university is not close to the same as a criminal conviction. Will it impact a person's life? Sure, but nothing close to the kind of impact that comes with a criminal conviction. Should the Department of Education issue more direct and consistent guidelines? Absolutely. 

I don't know enough about the facts alleged/proven in the Cephus case to even have an opinion, other than that the jury clearly didn't struggle with it (45 minutes is FAST for a jury).
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 06, 2019, 05:53:58 PM
This could get interesting.


https://www.channel3000.com/news/cephus-asks-for-readmission-to-uw-madison-following-not-guilty-verdicts/1106446294


Lots of current and former players taking to social media too, to persuade UW to let him back into school.


I doubt they will, but who knows these days. I just hope this doesn't turn into a distraction for the players and coaches. Again.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on August 07, 2019, 01:51:54 PM
Michigan State settled lawsuits earlier this summer both from the victim and the alleged assailant from the same incident, who both claimed violation of process.

The schools are beyond overwhelmed by this right now, far beyond the limited scope of athletics.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
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9:37 AM - 7 Aug 2019
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
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9:37 AM - 7 Aug 2019

I found that pretty interesting. I kinda figured PC would be tight-lipped. 

I can see him being whole hog interested in getting the kid back on the roster, but I could also see him saying that because he knows the school will run out the clock some and eventually it will make more sense for the kid to leave. He saves face with his players and doesn't have to deal with the longterm headache. 

I do think some UW fans are overselling what getting him back would mean. He's been off the team for how long? I assume he hasn't been practicing. That means maybe he's slightly worthwhile this year and delivers next year, assuming he can count last year as a redshirt, or he redshirts this year, makes a go next year. And I'm always wary of guys who have some sort of thing and then try to come back. I can thing of at least three kids who had some sort of mess that led to a long layoff and their returns quickly ending because of something they did. 

What I'm saying is, a divorce might be better for all involved. Go play for a smaller school, put up big numbers, hope that and testing gets you an NFL shot and work from there. The possibility this festers seems not great. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 07, 2019, 08:58:08 PM
Seems the players are in full support of him too. 

What I would like to see is just what his coach and teammates are saying. Whatever is best for him, is great. If that means UW, fine. If it means going elsewhere, fine.

The kid was academic all-B1G. He's not stupid, but he made a stupid mistake (the camera thing tipped it in). Damn kids.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 08, 2019, 09:21:24 AM
It's unfortunate that the coach didn't feel like he could give the kid his full support in the beginning

might have been on the kid, hopefully it wasn't on the administration above the coach

glad that the coach is supporting him fully now

I hope the kid gets back on the field as a Badger and has great success

just not on November 16th in Lincoln ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 08, 2019, 11:27:48 AM
It's unfortunate that the coach didn't feel like he could give the kid his full support in the beginning

might have been on the kid, hopefully it wasn't on the administration above the coach

glad that the coach is supporting him fully now

I hope the kid gets back on the field as a Badger and has great success

just not on November 16th in Lincoln ;)

When the incident came to light, the kid put out a statement that he was taking a leave of absence from the team.

After the criminal charges were made, he was suspended under athletic department policy, which kicks in when the charges are made. It's zero-tolerance.

He remained in school, however, until the Title IX review was completed.

At that time he was expelled.

Obviously, the Title IX office was not in possession of any of the evidence that was presented in court - only what was reported by his accusers.



His coaches and teammates have always been fully supportive, and continue to be.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 08, 2019, 11:47:14 AM
Coaches shouldn't have any say in the review of such incidents, unless they were actual witnesses. Otherwise, what can they add?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 08, 2019, 11:48:17 AM
When the incident came to light, the kid put out a statement that he was taking a leave of absence from the team.

After the criminal charges were made, he was suspended under athletic department policy, which kicks in when the charges are made. It's zero-tolerance.

He remained in school, however, until the Title IX review was completed.

At that time he was expelled.

Obviously, the Title IX office was not in possession of any of the evidence that was presented in court - only what was reported by his accusers.



His coaches and teammates have always been fully supportive, and continue to be.
full support and leave of absence don't seem to line up in my book
why would the kid choose to leave the team if he was innocent and his coach was supporting him?


you could be right, maybe the kid was upset enough by the allegation that he wanted to spend time with his family and legal team until it was resolved.  If that was his choice, so be it.  I hope that was the case.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 08, 2019, 11:50:01 AM
Coaches shouldn't have any say in the review of such incidents, unless they were actual witnesses. Otherwise, what can they add?
I agree 100%

but if the coach believes his player is innocent he should do what's best for the player.  Most times I'd guess that would be to keep him on the team.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 08, 2019, 11:50:58 AM
He didn't want to be a distraction to the team.

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Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 08, 2019, 11:52:32 AM
I agree 100%

but if the coach believes his player is innocent he should do what's best for the player.  Most times I'd guess that would be to keep him on the team.
This is not a choice the coach can make at UW. It's AD policy, and it will not ever change.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 08, 2019, 11:56:22 AM
must not be an AD policy at UNL

Maurice Washington is still on the team and attending practice
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 08, 2019, 11:58:58 AM
Are you guys talking past each other?

He took a leave of absence before charges were filed. According to Badge, the AD policy is to suspend someone from the team when charges are filed. It appears that the leave of absence prior to formal filing of charges made the AD policy moot.

Whether the coach supports him prior to the filing of charges might be one thing, but I assume the coach would be 100% overruled by the AD if formal charges are filed in an incident such as this.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 08, 2019, 12:06:45 PM
Are you guys talking past each other?


of course
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 08, 2019, 12:17:34 PM
I agree 100%

but if the coach believes his player is innocent he should do what's best for the player.  Most times I'd guess that would be to keep him on the team.
Talking past people or not, what right is it of the coach's to act on his beliefs about whether a player is innocent? Again, if he wasn't an actual witness, he has nothing to add, and regardless of his belief, his participation in the process is totally unwarranted.

A coach's belief that "he's a good kid," or "yeah, I could see him doing that," has no bearing on what actually happened, and if the coach acts on that belief he is (1) just guessing; and (2) taking a serious risk of putting his own reputation in danger for getting his guess wrong, not to mention putting the school's administration at risk.

This just isn't a coach issue.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 08, 2019, 12:27:13 PM
Are you guys talking past each other?

He took a leave of absence before charges were filed. According to Badge, the AD policy is to suspend someone from the team when charges are filed. It appears that the leave of absence prior to formal filing of charges made the AD policy moot.

Whether the coach supports him prior to the filing of charges might be one thing, but I assume the coach would be 100% overruled by the AD if formal charges are filed in an incident such as this.
Correct. It's not a coach thing, and there is absolutely nothing he could do about it then, or now. It's Madison. Football does not have the same pull it does in most other places.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 08, 2019, 12:27:30 PM
Talking past people or not, what right is it of the coach's to act on his beliefs about whether a player is innocent? Again, if he wasn't an actual witness, he has nothing to add, and regardless of his belief, his participation in the process is totally unwarranted.

A coach's belief that "he's a good kid," or "yeah, I could see him doing that," has no bearing on what actually happened, and if the coach acts on that belief he is (1) just guessing; and (2) taking a serious risk of putting his own reputation in danger for getting his guess wrong, not to mention putting the school's administration at risk.

This just isn't a coach issue.
100 percent spot on.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 08, 2019, 12:30:12 PM
Correct. It's not a coach thing, and there is absolutely nothing he could do about it then, or now. It's Madison. Football does not have the same pull it does in most other places.
To be honest, if charges are filed I don't think it's common for a coach or AD to keep a player in good standing. Generally formal police charges tend to be one of those red lines. 

Prior to that, the school can always claim that they're just waiting for the legal process to play out before they make a determination. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 08, 2019, 12:37:16 PM
I don't know about that. Culture varies everywhere, I think.


https://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/scott-frost-awaits-more-clarity-in-maurice-washington-s-legal/article_5be5104e-014a-5487-b53b-78c4d73ced0c.html


Charges have been filed in this one. Coach says it's "unfortunate" that it's taking so long... but...


In Madison, he's out. Period. Coach has no say.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 08, 2019, 12:42:15 PM
I'm not implying the coach should get involved with the legal process or even the Title IX procedure at the university

I'm merely think the coach should support the kid and the best way to do that is to keep him on the team.  The coach recruited this kid and told his parents or guardian the kid would be well cared for.

if there are policies in place obviously this is out of the coaches control.

seems similar to me to the tracey claeys situation where the coach tried to stick up for his players, except Chryst knew better or policies at UW wouldn't  allow it.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 08, 2019, 12:47:14 PM
I don't know about that. Culture varies everywhere, I think.


https://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/scott-frost-awaits-more-clarity-in-maurice-washington-s-legal/article_5be5104e-014a-5487-b53b-78c4d73ced0c.html


Charges have been filed in this one. Coach says it's "unfortunate" that it's taking so long... but...


In Madison, he's out. Period. Coach has no say.
I have two daughters, one at UNL.  UNL's campus wasn't the safest place for young women in the 80's when I was there and it's not the safest place today, but I'm also not for punishing young men that are wrongly accused.

If I'm a recruit or a recruit's parent, I might think I'd have more support in Lincoln than Madison.

Of course recruits don't think they will be accused of things if they behave.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 08, 2019, 12:58:34 PM
I don't think any campus is "safe". Never have been, and probably never will. Kids do kid things - without thinking.

If a recruit doesn't "like" the UW policy, or is "concerned" by the policy, he likely wouldn't be a cultural fit or a "take" in Madison anyway. That point is moot as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 09, 2019, 11:18:09 AM
Huge development.

TE Zander Neuville was granted a 6th year of eligibility and is now practicing with the team.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on August 09, 2019, 01:39:23 PM
I don't think any campus is "safe". Never have been, and probably never will. Kids do kid things - without thinking.

If a recruit doesn't "like" the UW policy, or is "concerned" by the policy, he likely wouldn't be a cultural fit or a "take" in Madison anyway. That point is moot as far as I'm concerned.
not really directed at you, badger, but i really hate the "kids will be kids" excuse. smoking some weed, getting a public intox and similar things, fine. stuff happens, not good decisions, but whatever, no big deal. but the type of "unsafe" actions we're discussing here aren't just kids being stupid, it's atrocious, heinous acts that my 5 year old knows isn't ok.

also, i'm on the bandwagon of letting things play out legally before going to far. if the legal aspect can't/doesn't resolve it, then go forward as best they can. this also doesn't mean ignore it until it's settled either. schools are in an impossible position to make a decisions before the facts can come out, IF they ever come out.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 09, 2019, 01:40:14 PM
Reading up a little more on this...

Zander did well on his exams and has been admitted to the UW School of Medicine. Pretty awesome stuff right there.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 09, 2019, 01:43:21 PM
not really directed at you, badger, but i really hate the "kids will be kids" excuse. smoking some weed, getting a public intox and similar things, fine. stuff happens, not good decisions, but whatever, no big deal. but the type of "unsafe" actions we're discussing here aren't just kids being stupid, it's atrocious, heinous acts that my 5 year old knows isn't ok.

Sounds like in this case it was a consensual 3-way. I'd have probably tried that back in the day, at age 21 or whatever. But, I certainly wouldn't have taken a picture. I'm thinking that's where this whole thing went south, and it was a stupid kid thing to do.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: rolltidefan on August 09, 2019, 01:48:21 PM
Sounds like in this case it was a consensual 3-way. I'd have probably tried that back in the day, at age 21 or whatever. But, I certainly wouldn't have taken a picture. I'm thinking that's where this whole thing went south, and it was a stupid kid thing to do.
cool, know next to nothing of that kid or his case. that'd fall under the "other stuff" of bad decisions, but no big deal, imo. i've just seen to many people blow off abuse of physical/sexual as kids making bad decisions, but they're kids. and, imo, in those real situations, that excuse doesn't fly.

that situation, based on what i've read in this thread, is why i'm for waiting for the legal stuff to play out so facts can come out before schools jump to a decision.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 09, 2019, 02:36:46 PM
Sounds like in this case it was a consensual 3-way. I'd have probably tried that back in the day, at age 21 or whatever. But, I certainly wouldn't have taken a picture. I'm thinking that's where this whole thing went south, and it was a stupid kid thing to do.
Enrolling this year(!) or next. Now *that* would be an athletic scholarship offer worth his market value!
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 09, 2019, 02:41:50 PM
Sounds like in this case it was a consensual 3-way. I'd have probably tried that back in the day, at age 21 or whatever. But, I certainly wouldn't have taken a picture. I'm thinking that's where this whole thing went south, and it was a stupid kid thing to do.
Michigan kicked Logan Tuley-Tillman (the best OT on campus when Harbaugh arrived) off the team for capturing a picture/video during consensual sex. It doesn't fit our typical definition of assault but -- even when the sex is consensual, if the picture/video wasn't -- that's illegal.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 09, 2019, 03:12:53 PM
should just make cell phones w/o cameras for these kids

sending pics is what has Maurice Washington in trouble
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on August 09, 2019, 04:05:56 PM
Michigan kicked Logan Tuley-Tillman (the best OT on campus when Harbaugh arrived) off the team for capturing a picture/video during consensual sex. It doesn't fit our typical definition of assault but -- even when the sex is consensual, if the picture/video wasn't -- that's illegal.
That's what the 3 kids that MSU gave the boot to did as well.  Although, while illegal, it did also provide proof that an assault hadn't taken place.  None of the 3 were reinstated.

I do wonder if it had been an isolated incident, if it would have gone differently, but considering the mess that the 2016 locker room was, and how Blackwell got fired for failing in his duty to report it up, it was just too messy to allow them back.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 12, 2019, 01:28:53 PM
I'm thinking that there will be a distraction with this thing.


https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2019/08/12/uw-dosnt-want-badgers-receiver-quintez-cephus-back-lawyers-say/1942557001/
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 12, 2019, 01:31:40 PM
I think you might be right
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 12, 2019, 03:30:59 PM
I'm thinking that there will be a distraction with this thing.


https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2019/08/12/uw-dosnt-want-badgers-receiver-quintez-cephus-back-lawyers-say/1942557001/

This moment reminds me of a standup bit I once saw. The guy is fighting tooth and nail to correct a mistake made by a sloppy cop who made him at fault for someone T-Boning his car. It grows into an obsessions. Finally his wife tells him to drop it. He stands his ground that he’s right.

“You’re right, but it doesn’t matter.”

Cephus night well be right. But neither he nor UW nor the football team really benefit from putting all the stuff out there. There might be a press conference, players might go, you might get to be a national story and then play a season. Every broadcast mentions him suing the school. And all for a season where he might well put up 200 yards and have to bide his time.

Feels like the lowest upside play.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 12, 2019, 04:03:42 PM
Oh look, seven veterans signed a letter to the Chancellor and it’s now out in public. Effffffff. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 12, 2019, 04:42:20 PM
mutiny 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 12, 2019, 04:45:38 PM
See Urbz leaves and the focus gets shifted to the other programs
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 12, 2019, 05:03:30 PM
Oh look, seven veterans signed a letter to the Chancellor and it’s now out in public. Effffffff.
And they are now behind microphones. This is going to get really ugly.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 12, 2019, 08:12:34 PM
best to simply welcome him back to the team and come up with a believable story 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 13, 2019, 04:54:20 PM
Halfway through camp, Coan looks like the starter. Mertz may not even be #2 (Wolf is in the hunt).

Depth at TE looking to be an issue, though (#2 Benzschawel out with a knee injury--could be serious--and Penniston, who was 3rd, graduate transferred to Rutgers, and two more are out for injuries).
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 13, 2019, 05:05:16 PM
I think we're gonna see some youth at TE this season for sure. Probably a little bit of Chenal coming out of the backfield too. getting Neuville back is huge. Hopefully he is ready to play soon.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 13, 2019, 05:28:18 PM
Yeah, but from the sound of things, Neuville probably won't be ready to really go for a bit.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 14, 2019, 03:25:47 PM
So.. Jake Ferguson is now out. Apparently had surgery yesterday. I'm going to try out for TE next week.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 14, 2019, 03:26:50 PM
So.. Jake Ferguson is now out. Apparently had surgery yesterday. I'm going to try out for TE next week.
Badge, we need FEWER injuries. If you try out, that’s just one more. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 14, 2019, 03:40:11 PM
Well, to be fair, I come pre-injured. So at least it wouldn't be a new one.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 14, 2019, 04:07:24 PM
an offense should be able to easily adjust to not having a TE threat in the pass game - especially with your new improved QB

and you can always get some of those 2nd and 3rd string OL men that would be starting in Lincoln to play blocking TE
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 15, 2019, 07:15:37 AM
Easily adjusted? 

PC often plays 2 TE's in a set, and sometimes 3.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 15, 2019, 04:49:25 PM
so, I KNOW you've got 3 reserve OL that can play blocking TE.  Don't need to throw the ball.  You do have JT
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 16, 2019, 09:20:31 AM
The offense is (was?) going to get back to being more balanced this year. They have also installed several RPO packages, because they can now. JT has also worked hard on pass blocking and catching, so he can be a complete back.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 09:23:59 AM
there ya go, throw to the Wide outs and JT
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 16, 2019, 09:31:29 AM
The fullbacks will also play a part.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 09:35:24 AM
you still have fullbacks???

it's funny, Callahan tried to get rid of fullbacks and was run over by the bus

Scott Frost shows up and eliminates the fullback position and he's an offensive genius

I'd rather have a fullback at Nebraska
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 16, 2019, 12:15:27 PM
Time to revisit the depth chart here.

Offense

LT Cole Van Lanen JR
LG Jason Erdmann SR
C Tyler Biadasz JR
RG Josh Seltzner SO
RT Logan Bruss SO
FB John Chenal SO
RB Jonathan Taylor JR
TE Jake Ferguson SO
TE Zander Neuville GS
WR A.J. Taylor SR
WR Kendric Pryor JR
QB

Defense

DE Garrett Rand JR
DE Isaiahh Loudermilk JR
NT Bryson Williams SO
ILB Chris Orr SR
ILB Jack Sanborn SO
OLB Zack Baun SR
OLB Izayah Green-May SO
S Scott Nelson SO
S Reggie Pearson FR
CB Faion Hicks SO
CB Rachad Wildgoose SO

Specialists

FG Collin Larsh SO
KO Zach Hintze 
P Anthony Lotti SR
KR Aron Cruickshank SO
PR Jack Dunn JR
LS Adam Bay JR
H Zach Hintze
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 16, 2019, 01:22:12 PM
And now, a look at the players who I think could challenge for serious time on offense:

OL

Tyler Beach SO
David Moorman SR
Kayden Lyles SO

All 3 of these guys are still in the mix to be starters this year. They can all play multiple positions along the line, which is how Joe Rudolph likes to operate. Moorman and Beach can play the tackle and guard positions. Lyles can play the center and guard positions. Each of them played a lot last season (Lyles played DE, which was decimated injuries).
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 16, 2019, 03:02:12 PM
Time to revisit the depth chart here.

Offense

LT Cole Van Lanen JR
LG Jason Erdmann SR
C Tyler Biadasz JR
RG Josh Seltzner SO
RT Logan Bruss SO
FB John Chenal SO
RB Jonathan Taylor JR
TE Jake Ferguson SO
TE Zander Neuville GS
WR A.J. Taylor SR
WR Kendric Pryor JR
QB

Defense

DE Garrett Rand JR
DE Isaiahh Loudermilk JR
NT Bryson Williams SO
ILB Chris Orr SR
ILB Jack Sanborn SO
OLB Zack Baun SR
OLB Izayah Green-May SO
S Scott Nelson SO
S Reggie Pearson FR
CB Faion Hicks SO
CB Rachad Wildgoose SO

I'm not used to seeing so many underclassmen starting at UW. 11/22. Am I mistaken or is that unusually many?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 03:11:08 PM
young in the defensive backfield
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 16, 2019, 03:22:46 PM
I'm not used to seeing so many underclassmen starting at UW. 11/22. Am I mistaken or is that unusually many?
No, you're not mistaken.


Part of has to do with a number of misses in 2015. It started as Gerry Andersen's class and it was late when PC came in. Also, the 2016 class had a lot of attrition, some due to injury, some to transfer, and some just normal.

So, the '17/'18 classes will be all over the field as a result. Might even see a couple of the '19 kids out there, and not just for 4 games.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 16, 2019, 03:23:24 PM
young in the defensive backfield
Yep, but they all played a lot of football last year. Pearson only played in 4 games though.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 03:35:47 PM
so redshirt frosh

I assume the Sophs used redshirts as well
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 16, 2019, 03:44:30 PM
Many of the SO this year played last year and did not redshirt.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 19, 2019, 12:44:52 PM
Cephus readmitted to UW. He and his team did a PR blitz that coulda gone wrong and ended up sorta masterful. 

Interested to see how he plays. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 19, 2019, 12:54:12 PM
big need for receiving targets if the TEs are down
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 19, 2019, 01:54:08 PM
Cephus readmitted to UW. He and his team did a PR blitz that coulda gone wrong and ended up sorta masterful.

Interested to see how he plays.
I'm mildly surprised by this ruling, and particularly how quickly it came through.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 19, 2019, 02:12:22 PM
If I understand this situation from afar (and I'm sure I don't), a year-long suspension from the university seems like plenty for taking naughty pictures he shouldn't have. Since the other stuff seems to have been ruled out, this looks like a night of drinking that took a privacy turn for the worse, but was otherwise non-criminal bad judgment to be shared all around. About right?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 19, 2019, 02:14:40 PM
Sounds about right to me.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2019, 07:59:34 AM
Cephus was asked why he wanted to remain at Wisconsin rather than pursue his education and football at a different school for a fresh start.

“Because of my teammates and my coaches and them doing as much as they could to support me through this whole thing,” Cephus said. “I have no reason to run from Wisconsin. I’m just here to continue my education and continue to play football.”

When Wisconsin coach Paul Chryst met with reporters after practice on Aug. 7, he voiced his support for Cephus, as did five of the team’s players, and left the door open for Cephus’ potential return. That return was predicated, in large part, on whether the university would readmit Cephus.



“If it’s best for Q, and it truly is for him, then I know his teammates and I know how we feel,” Chryst said then. “We would welcome him back. And yet we’ve got to make sure, and even talking with the guys about it, it’s not about us. It’s what’s best for him, and if that is (best), we absolutely would.”
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 20, 2019, 08:40:16 AM
So what really did the guy end up doing wrong?Do something in very bad taste but not break the law?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2019, 08:42:13 AM
I think having his teammate snap a picture tipped it in, even though he deleted it immediately, when the girls asked him to do so.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 20, 2019, 09:27:43 AM
So what really did the guy end up doing wrong?Do something in very bad taste but not break the law?
Having a threesome isn’t bad. Inviting a friend in to gaze at naked sleeping women is not ideal. Having that friend snap a picture, waking people up and then having it deleted. 

I think you have a certain obligation to naked people sleeping in your bed to not showcase them to others without some preamble.  
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2019, 09:53:23 AM
Camp is completely closed to all media now, so we will get nothing until the first game, on the 30th. I really think going into that stadium against a pretty good team is going to be a challenge. USF won its first 7 games last year, but lost the last 6. I have no idea what happened there. Anyone know?

Anyway, I'm sure the nutrition staff is already working hard on hydration and such. Long range calls for 84 degrees at KO, with 82% humidity. Pretty brutal.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 20, 2019, 10:27:20 AM
Whoa, not to be such a chauvinist against the AAC, but why did UW agree to go to USF?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2019, 10:41:29 AM
Return game for 2014 in Madison.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2019, 11:34:01 AM
Some of the Badger sites have put highlight films up on 2017 for Cephus.

Man, I forgot just how good that kid was, and how good he made Hornibrook look so many times. Kid catches everything that comes his way.

Getting him back is like getting a 4* WR recruit, only proven.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 20, 2019, 11:49:23 AM
Whoa, not to be such a chauvinist against the AAC, but why did UW agree to go to USF?
recruiting
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2019, 11:58:07 AM
recruiting
Nah. UW has no players from that area.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on August 20, 2019, 12:00:33 PM
I heard someone say no good team from say the SEC would do a H&A series with Wisconsin.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2019, 12:05:17 PM
I heard someone say no good team from say the SEC would do a H&A series with Wisconsin.
And then Bama stepped up to sign on. Hopefully others will follow their lead.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 20, 2019, 12:59:33 PM
Return game for 2014 in Madison.
I understand they are following a contract. I meant: why did UW want/agree/sign a 1-and-1 contract, rather than pay for a 1-and-done (or just abandon negotiations with USF and look for someone else)? A 1-and-1 with USF just doesn't seem as Big Tenny as paying for an AAC team to come north one time.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 20, 2019, 02:30:24 PM
a 2 for 1 is usually how the Huskers would handle USF
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2019, 03:50:33 PM
Doesn't look like the AAC schools are doing too much of that anymore. Some of the MWC too.

Hell, FSU is going to play at Boise and USF soon. The guarantee games are getting tough to get, moving forward.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 20, 2019, 03:53:57 PM
I remember when Michigan went to UConn, how inconsolable fans were at the indignity. I even recall donors pleading to buy back the game but it was impossible. That was a rare situation, though. I think Michigan was stuck when they needed a last minute P5 team for the first dedication game after the stadium renovation and UConn was wise to know they had Michigan by the balls and that being opportunistic meant nabbing a 1-and-1.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on August 20, 2019, 04:01:37 PM
Doesn't look like the AAC schools are doing too much of that anymore. Some of the MWC too.

Hell, FSU is going to play at Boise and USF soon. The guarantee games are getting tough to get, moving forward.
Yeah MSU and Boise signed a 2 for 1.  I'm good with those with AAC schools, or "name" Group of 5 schools from the other 4.  Not sure how many of those there are?  Boise, BYU, Fresno State?  That might be it.  Hasn't Miami played some curious true road games in recent years?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 20, 2019, 04:06:38 PM
Doesn't look like the AAC schools are doing too much of that anymore. Some of the MWC too.

Hell, FSU is going to play at Boise and USF soon. The guarantee games are getting tough to get, moving forward.
All the more reason to play more than 8 conference games.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MarqHusker on August 20, 2019, 04:28:41 PM
Yeah MSU and Boise signed a 2 for 1.  I'm good with those with AAC schools, or "name" Group of 5 schools from the other 4.  Not sure how many of those there are?  Boise, BYU, Fresno State?  That might be it.  Hasn't Miami played some curious true road games in recent years?
Oh yeah, the Canes have no bargaining chips.  They were at Toledo last year, at App St a few years ago.  At Cincy awhile ago, at LaTech, at FAU, and at K-State, which was a rare sight, almost as weird as seeing USC at K-State.

I think the most unusual roadie for Nebraska was at Fresno St (11 pm east kick)  or at Southern Miss.   That was like a 3-1.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: utee94 on August 20, 2019, 05:15:25 PM
All the more reason to play more than 8 conference games.
Well sure... except that jeopardizes the SEC/ACC ability to game the system.  It adds a guaranteed loss to half the conference, which begins knocking down the house of cards so carefully built from the preseason on.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2019, 05:30:39 PM
The only "buy" games I see now for UW now are CMU and Kent from the MAC this season, and then Appy, EMU, Buffalo, Georgia Southern, North Texas and WMU. Hawaii is in there too, but that's a 2 for 1. Army comes to Madison, but I don't consider that a "buy" game. It's an honor to have them.

Also seeing some FCS (3), but I doubt those stick. There was supposed to be one this season, but no mas after Kent agreed to come.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on August 20, 2019, 07:41:02 PM
The only "buy" games I see now for UW now are CMU and Kent from the MAC this season, and then Appy, EMU, Buffalo, Georgia Southern, North Texas and WMU. Hawaii is in there too, but that's a 2 for 1. Army comes to Madison, but I don't consider that a "buy" game. It's an honor to have them.

Also seeing some FCS (3), but I doubt those stick. There was supposed to be one this season, but no mas after Kent agreed to come.
OU hosted Army (winning in OT) last year and will visit Michie Stadium next year.  That's a road trip I really want to make.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on August 21, 2019, 08:55:43 AM
Would be interesting to compile the most unusual road games for top P5 teams over the past 5 years or so.

UGA just finds pastries to pay for a home flogging.  I guess they did play at a nonP5 team a couple years back though.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 23, 2019, 12:31:32 PM
The only "buy" games I see now for UW now are CMU and Kent from the MAC this season, and then Appy, EMU, Buffalo, Georgia Southern, North Texas and WMU. Hawaii is in there too, but that's a 2 for 1. Army comes to Madison, but I don't consider that a "buy" game. It's an honor to have them.

Also seeing some FCS (3), but I doubt those stick. There was supposed to be one this season, but no mas after Kent agreed to come.
The AD also once told me that he likes away games like Hawaii because they guarantee an interesting trip to the players. Bowls provide the trips, too, but aren't guarantees.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 23, 2019, 12:51:55 PM
Yep, I've heard the same. The kids love going out there.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 23, 2019, 12:58:21 PM
The NCAA has just cleared Quintez Cephus to play this season.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 23, 2019, 01:01:17 PM
nice
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 23, 2019, 04:04:36 PM
I don't think it can be understated how much he was missed last season - on the field and off. I base this on the reaction of the entire team and coaching staff. 

For the on-field, it's clear that the QB missed him dearly, because he got bailed out all the time with Cephus' ability to catch anything thrown near him.

And speaking of the QB.. there is no love lost. I could sense that there was something "off" about last year's team. Everything seems really different going into this season.

There's a reason he transferred, as a 3 year incumbent, and I don't think it was his idea.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 25, 2019, 03:54:40 PM
Jack Coan is listed as the starting QB on the depth. Cephus is 2nd team already.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 26, 2019, 01:41:49 AM
There's a reason he transferred, as a 3 year incumbent, and I don't think it was his idea.
Meritocracy at UW?! 😲
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 26, 2019, 06:29:46 AM
Cancer.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 26, 2019, 06:52:37 AM
WHO Hornibrook?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 26, 2019, 07:18:45 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 26, 2019, 07:25:19 AM
Was he a problem last season?Never heard about it but I'm not a program devotee
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 26, 2019, 07:31:10 AM
Was he a problem last season?Never heard about it but I'm not a program devotee
There were some rumors about him and an offensive lineman’s GF. I’m prone not to believe them, but Badge is. He’s closer to things, so what do I know. 

Anyway, he kinda melted down and his WRs didn’t help. Hopefully going back to being boring works out. I also like that UW fans aren’t taking it up much, but Lordy that team is getting the #Respect in the polls. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 26, 2019, 07:42:45 AM
There were some rumors about him and an offensive lineman’s GF. I’m prone not to believe them, but Badge is. He’s closer to things, so what do I know.

Anyway, he kinda melted down and his WRs didn’t help. Hopefully going back to being boring works out. I also like that UW fans aren’t taking it up much, but Lordy that team is getting the #Respect in the polls.
Not so sure about the girlfriend thing, but people who are closer than me insist it happened. Nobody has ever come out and said it though, to my knowledge.


What I do know for certain is that much of the team did not like AH, and that there are some current players who would not be in Madison had AH stayed.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 26, 2019, 08:16:08 AM
https://twitter.com/BadgerFootball/status/1163956377057779714?s=19


Speakers on.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 26, 2019, 08:42:33 AM
The guy in the chair looks like Charles Barkley.But then he said he's afraid of being bald
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 26, 2019, 07:46:49 PM
I was just checking the stat lines from last year:

Hornibrook: 59.5%, 7.5 YPA, 13/11 (TD/INT), 132.5 Rating

Coan: 60.2%, 5.5 YPA, 5/3 (TD/INT), 118 Rating

Coan's overall YPA is rough (perhaps even more rough by comparison to AH than when interpreted on its own), but he wasn't the starter and maybe was driving a different passing offense.

What do you guys project from him this year?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 26, 2019, 10:17:35 PM
8 months of first team reps/duty will certainly make him better. We don't know his ceiling yet.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 27, 2019, 04:29:24 PM
Tis the season now, so thread names need to change to reflect.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 02, 2019, 03:59:44 PM
Starting ILB Chris Orr listed as questionable for this weekend.

TE's Luke Benzschawel and Zander Neuville are out.

Starters out are RT Logan Bruss, S Scott Nelson and OLB Izayah Green-May.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 02, 2019, 05:22:14 PM
Man,I remember a few years ago Biegel and Cichy being out and Orr stepped in for them.What the hell they doing to those guys at the Camp?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 02, 2019, 07:28:17 PM
Chris Orr was actually the starter going into the 2016 season, but he got injured on the first defensive play of the game against LSU and missed the entire season.

Ryan Connolly came in for him and never looked back.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 02, 2019, 08:45:59 PM
Starting ILB Chris Orr listed as questionable for this weekend.

TE's Luke Benzschawel and Zander Neuville are out.

Starters out are RT Logan Bruss, S Scott Nelson and OLB Izayah Green-May.
lucky it's CMU, not Michigan
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 02, 2019, 08:48:32 PM
I'm just glad it's not South Dakota State.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 02, 2019, 08:49:47 PM
as you should be
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 05, 2019, 12:32:28 PM
Starting NT now out too. Damn.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDtnVI_WwAAigsX.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 05, 2019, 12:35:16 PM
can't be good news for your Nose from Nebraska
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 06, 2019, 12:37:12 PM
The Chips players and head coach are talking a little trash coming into this game, I see. Are they even remotely decent?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 06, 2019, 12:39:47 PM
35 point dogs, can't be decent
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 06, 2019, 12:46:05 PM
I don't pay much attention to that stuff.

I also can't find anything even remotely close to "Wisconsin talking big and all that stuff." This is a humble team. They don't trash talk at all.


https://twitter.com/EvanPetzold/status/1169745217563582464

https://twitter.com/EvanPetzold/status/1169745493716557827
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on September 06, 2019, 12:58:31 PM
Central Michigan was 1-11 last year.  Their sole win was over the mighty Black Bears of Maine, 5-17.  So, they have a new coach this year, Jim McElwain. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 06, 2019, 01:03:06 PM
Watch, the Badgers will lay an egg and need a Q4 comeback tomorrow...
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 06, 2019, 02:11:20 PM
Back to school for Pfaff! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=wQKHOhyO8wE)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 06, 2019, 02:29:38 PM
Those quotes are bad -- borderline masochistic. And they include the main guy? Woof. McElwain is a significantly better WR than head coach. I'm grateful for how he developed DPJ, Black and Collins for Gattis but that's the end of it and this is gonna be a steamrolling.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 07, 2019, 06:32:00 PM
So now for the bye week. Actually, Michigan has one too. I was hoping for two unbeaten teams for that day, and it's on.

Really too bad it's going to be an 11AM kick. This one deserves prime time, and not Fox's version of prime time.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 07, 2019, 06:49:03 PM
true!
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 07, 2019, 07:32:16 PM
Really too bad it's going to be an 11AM kick. This one deserves prime time, and not Fox's version of prime time.
I 'liked' your post because I disagree.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 07, 2019, 07:35:13 PM
Cool. So you're drinking too. Love it.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 07, 2019, 09:14:05 PM
https://twitter.com/BlueBarronPhoto/status/1170469539773108224
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 08, 2019, 09:26:05 AM
https://twitter.com/jessetemple/status/1170490726867767296
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 08, 2019, 12:07:42 PM
So UW gets a bye before M?Well played,course they're on a roll so we'll see.Why doesn't Barry give them the late night Dracula treatment at the Camp like you do to the Buckeyes?Noon kick - wusses
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 08, 2019, 12:41:27 PM
It was Fox's choice to kick at 11AM. You know damn well Barry would have wanted a night game.

Any big name that comes to Camp Randall is going to be 11AM from now on, because Fox will take the game.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 08, 2019, 12:42:10 PM
Oh, and Michigan also has a bye. Big Jim wasn't gonna give UW any breaks without giving Michigan one too.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 08, 2019, 01:44:16 PM
This is a rare year when I'm happy to have an idle week this early.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 08, 2019, 04:21:10 PM
Oh, and Michigan also has a bye. Big Jim wasn't gonna give UW any breaks without giving Michigan one too.
So it's a pillow fight?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 08, 2019, 08:25:48 PM
So it's a pillow fight?
I hope for a can of whoopass, signed, sealed, and delivered by Big Red.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 08, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
Returning the favor for last year is how it's looking. Would be a savory win if they can pull it off and halt that expectation. And separate from just this one, when it comes to accomplishments, 3-1 feels a lot different than 2-2.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MichiFan87 on September 08, 2019, 10:13:19 PM
The only conference game next week is Indiana - Ohio State, so it's not like the BigTen decided to give Michigan a bye week. Michigan decided to schedule Notre Dame (or more likely is the case that Notre Dame scheduled New Mexico for this weekend so that it wouldn't have a tough game before going to Georgia) in the middle of conference play, instead, since this is a year where there are 2 bye weeks for everyone, much like Wisconsin is doing with their last non-conference game.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 08, 2019, 10:32:38 PM
Watch it with your context! We'd lose 15% of our content without the "administrators have special doors and only open them for Michigan" narrative?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 08, 2019, 10:43:28 PM
The only conference game next week is Indiana - Ohio State, so it's not like the BigTen decided to give Michigan a bye week. 
Are you calling the Hoosiers a BYE?
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MichiFan87 on September 09, 2019, 12:05:24 AM
Are you calling the Hoosiers a BYE?
Of course not, despite Michigan's streak of wins over them, though it is funny you how read it that way.... I suspect you get this, but my point was this isn't a week full of conference games, so it was really Michigan's and Wisconsin's decision to make this a bye week and play their 3rd non-con game later in the season.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 09, 2019, 12:45:47 AM
Cfb51 Linguistics time:

In the past, this board has sometimes grumbled about the conventional use of BYE versus IDLE in football. I think it had something to do with the fact that "bye" games, as originally applied to sports, indicated tournament rounds that a high ranking team had earned the right to skip. The conference basketball tournament is a good example of that use. Obviously that's not what we mean in football. And I recall this other use grating on some posters.

Of course, the way we use words (a society's frequency of word use) is the thing that most directly sets our definitions. Not origins and etymology. It's the same reason Merriam-Webster now treats "figuratively" as an accepted definition of "literally." Because what was formerly called the "incorrect use" was found so frequently that our language philosophies require redefining it as a new correct use. Every language does this incessantly. It's a main driver of how languages evolve.

As it applies to Bye/Idle and sports, it seems Bye has acquired both definitions and that Idle is seldom used at all.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 11, 2019, 03:44:39 PM
And that's that. Really too bad for the kid.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EENLsxgW4AE8I0I.jpg:large)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 11, 2019, 04:32:11 PM
Tough break for the kid, wish him well.  Seems like he'll do fine
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 22, 2019, 09:32:37 PM
https://twitter.com/TomFornelli/status/1175895742155808768
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Entropy on September 23, 2019, 09:48:16 AM
Wanted to hop on and say I'm really enjoying watching Wisconsin play football this year.  Love the style (if they added some option it would be perfect), the intensity and the physicality.    If I wasn't a UNL fan, I'd be a Wisconsin... or Army.  it is the type of football I love. 
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 23, 2019, 10:25:59 AM
geez
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Entropy on September 23, 2019, 03:12:33 PM
style envy fearless..
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 23, 2019, 03:27:26 PM
I have it as well, but I'm not going to stroke the Badgers here.


Well, not that much.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 27, 2019, 02:10:01 PM
https://twitter.com/NCAAFNation247/status/1177567717777379328
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 27, 2019, 02:37:16 PM
I saw this post on one of the UW team boards and found it very interesting. Of the 12 regular-season games UW plays this year, 7 are against teams with transfer QB's.



USF - Blake Barnett (Alabama)

Central Michigan - Quentin Dormady (Tennessee)

Michigan - Shea Patterson (Ole Miss)

Northwestern - Hunter Johnson (Clemson)

Kent State - Woody Barrett (Auburn)

Illinois - Brandon Peters (Michigan)



Ohio State - Justin Fields (Georgia)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on September 27, 2019, 02:49:51 PM
https://twitter.com/NCAAFNation247/status/1177567717777379328

surprisingly Clemson has only 40
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on September 27, 2019, 02:58:44 PM
They also pay off the recruiting services to sandbag
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: fezzador on September 27, 2019, 03:13:00 PM
Clemson's recruiting better than anyone in the country right now.  That 40 will skyrocket in the next couple of years, barring a scandal.

Considering how much talent the state of Florida has, I'm surprised it's the second-lowest on the list.  Maybe it's the academics that limits the amount of blue-chip recruits it can get (it was only a so-so school a generation ago, now it's comparable to Michigan and the UC system), but the fact that it has fewer highly-rated recruits than Notre Dame, Oklahoma, and Auburn (none of which reside in states which come close to the amount FL churns out year after year) seems that either it's the academics, or it's massively underachieving.  Maybe a little of both.


Wisconsin has a double-whammy going against it.  It places extra emphasis on academics, which limits the amount of highly-touted recruits it gets, but it's also several hundred miles from major recruiting hotspots.  Chicago isn't the high school factory a city of it size should be (hoops is a different story), and the hotshots that are in Chicagoland usually end up going to Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State.  Even schools like Texas, Ole Miss, and Oregon can snatch Windy City recruits and not give UW a second thought.

I really admire the job King Barry has done considering the limited resources he's been having to work with the past few decades.  Stars be damned - Wisconsin's bread and butter is in the trenches - it churns out quality OL and DL like nobody's business.  At Wisconsin, a two or three-star recruit with a chip on his shoulder and a couple of years' worth of seasoning is frequently better than a four or five-star recruit who is trying to take the easiest path to the NFL.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on October 14, 2019, 02:25:24 PM
With half the season gone, the Badger D has scored more than it has allowed. Badger defense: 30; Badger opponents: 29.

That is some quality play.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on October 14, 2019, 08:06:40 PM
I saw this post on one of the UW team boards and found it very interesting. Of the 12 regular-season games UW plays this year, 7 are against teams with transfer QB's.



USF - Blake Barnett (Alabama)

Central Michigan - Quentin Dormady (Tennessee)

Michigan - Shea Patterson (Ole Miss)

Northwestern - Hunter Johnson (Clemson)

Kent State - Woody Barrett (Auburn)

Illinois - Brandon Peters (Michigan)



Ohio State - Justin Fields (Georgia)
UW set the precedent with Russell Wilson
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 15, 2019, 07:48:37 AM
They hit the jackpot on that one. Let's not forget that the rules were different in those days. Russell was a grad transfer, after getting his NCSU degree in 3 years.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 27, 2019, 11:16:36 AM
The Badgers are licking their wounds today, and need to regroup over the next 6 days to be ready for Iowa week (also idle this week).

The schedule is all West now.

Iowa
@Nebraska
Purdue
@Minnesota

Winning the West is looking tricky. UW does not control its own destiny - that would be Minnesota right now. Anyone looking forward to a game with OSU in Indy?

I don't see a bunch of hands going up here.

Iowa has the DL to stop Taylor. Minnesota might too (don't know - unproven still).

Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on October 27, 2019, 12:10:47 PM
Iowa and Minnesooota wil be interesting

the other two?  not so much
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: Hawkinole on October 28, 2019, 12:39:53 AM
Penn St., Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin each have a bye Nov. 2.

Minnesota plays at home against Penn State Nov. 9. Iowa is @ Wisconsin Nov. 9.


I would guess Minnesota is defeated by Penn State, and then each of the rivalry trio is equal, until after the Iowa-Wisconsin game is decided. But then we don't know which order the games will be played yet.


Time is yet to be determined on Iowa v. Wisc., and Penn St. v. Minnesota. Regardless, Nov. 9 will be a determinative Big Ten Saturday.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MarqHusker on October 28, 2019, 01:10:46 AM
However it shakes out, I expect to be hosting some kind of dinner on Friday night for brave souls who want to come to Indy.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 28, 2019, 08:56:23 AM
Ugh.

The Chamber is having its banquet that night. I can't miss it.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 13, 2019, 11:29:28 AM
https://twitter.com/rimingtontrophy/status/1205265601306005505


Gonna miss this kid next year. It's probably 100% that he leaves early. Not bad for a walk-on from Amhurst, WI.
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 13, 2019, 12:12:43 PM
Really gonna miss this one too. Go get paid, kid.

https://twitter.com/DoakWalkerAward/status/1205307610594975744
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: SFBadger96 on December 13, 2019, 12:14:39 PM
System center.

:)
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 13, 2019, 12:50:18 PM
https://twitter.com/rimingtontrophy/status/1205265601306005505


Gonna miss this kid next year. It's probably 100% that he leaves early. Not bad for a walk-on from Amhurst, WI.
6'3

315 lbs?

the Vikings have drafted the past 2 Rimmington winners from Ohio St.
Both are starting, but undersized and get their arses kicked
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 13, 2019, 02:58:49 PM
It's a collegiate award spanky,by all means send some of those who started for the 'Skers.Kirk Cousins will be running like Lamar Jackson :93:
Title: Re: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 13, 2019, 03:06:15 PM
Bradbury and Elflien are good players and smart, listed at 305, but get knocked on their ass by 350 lb DTs and NTs

capt kirk isn't the toughest minded when stepping up in the pocket to deliver