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Topic: Indiana (2-6, 5-6) at #4 Michigan (8-0, 10-1) Post Game

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2018, 08:44:57 PM »
Have they ever taken a 2 loss team?  I don't believe so, so I don't think it would matter.  Until the committee takes a team with more losses, because of a better overall resume, I'll refuse to believe scheduling tough has any benefit other than entertainment value.
But if tOSU hadn't played OU in 2016 then OU would have been a 1-loss P5 Champion

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Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2018, 09:16:10 PM »
Ah that's right. Thanks for reminding of past seasons having complexity.

It's almost as if playing crap teams is > Top 6 teams >> Top 7 to 40 teams in the noncon in terms of CFP pros/cons.
And yes I know the idea of lines in the sand like that is garbage. And that predicting a team's echelon for a given season isn't nearly this precise. I'm just saying that playing a team that is absolutely in the conversation, and sharing the zero-sum-game risk may better for a contender than playing a nearly as talented team who is not a contender and not sharing that risk.
It's just a rushed rough draft of an opinion. Feel free to tear it apart.

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Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2018, 06:38:46 AM »
But if tOSU hadn't played OU in 2016 then OU would have been a 1-loss P5 Champion
Exactly.  If Ohio St and Oklahoma both played crap teams that year Oklahoma would have gotten in over Ohio St.  High risk/high reward.  

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Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2018, 06:58:44 AM »
Has a 1 loss conference champion ( that actually won a CCG) ever been left out?
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Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2018, 07:13:43 AM »
Has a 1 loss conference champion ( that actually won a CCG) ever been left out?
No, but if we keep this format long enough it will.  In 2016, if Ohio St and Oklahoma had played cupcakes instead of each other there would have been five conference champions with only one loss so someone would have been left out.
Last year, a two loss Auburn would have made the CFP had they beaten UGA.  So just because we haven’t witnessed something yet doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t happen.

I’m not convinced without the win over Oklahoma in 2016 if Ohio St gets the nod over Penn St.  That win gave them an extra ranked win PSU didn’t have.  It was a major resume boost.
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Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2018, 10:51:31 AM »
here's a little interesting nugget.

Shea Patterson is ranked 3rd in the nation by ESPN in Total QBR with an 85.3 on a scale of 1-100.

Only Tua at Bama and Kyler Murray at Oklahoma are rated higher. Tua is at 95.8 and Kyler Murray is at 95.3. Both a full 10 points higher than the #3 guy. Crazy.

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Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2018, 11:16:29 AM »
If not for Tua, we'd all be marveling at how amazing Murray has been.  He's lost in Tua's season.

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Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2018, 11:24:12 AM »
If not for Tua, we'd all be marveling at how amazing Murray has been.  He's lost in Tua's season.
agreed. Murray is fantastic.
After the QB play I saw last season at Michigan though, I'm more amazed at what Shea has done. And without his best receiver all year in Tarik Black.
Michigan had maybe the worst QB play in all of the P5 last year. Really just horrible. This year it's starting QB is rated 3rd in the entire nation in Total QBR. Really blows my mind.
Shea is completing 67% of his passes for 17 TD's vs. 3 INT's. And it could very easily be 19 pass TD's vs. only 1 INT had two 40 yard plus TD tosses not been called back on questionable hold calls, and had Gentry caught a ball that hit him in both hands and had Sean McKeon not just quit on his route like a bitch.

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Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2018, 12:28:28 AM »
Michigan is looking good. But, there are very few gimmes in the Big Ten.

This game is no gimme.

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Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2018, 06:21:53 AM »
No gimme for sure. Indiana has givem Michigan fits the last four years.  There’s not a Hoosier player who doesn’t think they can play with Michigan.  I’d call this a trap game too if it was in Bloomington.

Indiana 24
Michigan 34
A decade of Victory over Penn State.

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Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2018, 08:58:27 AM »

Indiana Hoosiers (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan Wolverines (7-0, 9-1)
4:00 - Ann Arbor, MI - FS1
Ohio State taking care of business in East Lansing last week means that absent a big upset in College Park, Michigan can't clinch their first ever trip to the Big Ten Championship Game in front of their home fans this week.  That's ok.  While there was a time where losing this, but still beating Ohio State next weekend to go to Pasadena meant you accomplished your goal, that ain't the case for Michigan this year.  Yes, winning a Big Ten title and going to the Rose Bowl is a hell of a consolation prize, the Wolverines also likely control their own College Football Playoff aspirations, and a loss would derail that, even if it wouldn't derail their conference title hopes.  After a 3-0 start, which included an (in retrospect) underrated win over a Virginia team that has been ranked at points this season, Big Ten play has not gone the Hoosiers way.  Two touchdown or more losses to Michigan State, Ohio State, and Iowa, a blowout loss to a seemingly dead Minnesota team, and a narrow 7 point win over lowly Rutgers.  Indiana was sitting at 1-5 in Big Ten play with only a close loss to Penn State looking respectable.  The Hoosiers had their bye week late though, and came out of it with a win over Maryland, in perhaps their best performance since September.  Yes, Maryland has issues, but defensively they are pretty good, and Indiana scored three touchdowns in about 4 minutes in the second quarter to blow open a big lead.  Even after Maryland fought back, Indiana found a way to scrap out a win, forcing a fumble to seal the game after Maryland had crossed into Hoosier territory in the final 2 minutes, looking for the game winning field goal.  Now Indiana needs one more win to reach bowl eligibility, and it's either going to be Michigan, or in the Bucket game next week.  Since Tom Allen took over the program the identity had flipped from offense to defense, but in Big Ten games this year, the defense has wilted.  They are giving up 35.1 ppg and 452.9 ypg on 6.3 ypp, 4th worst in the conference across the board.  The problems are largely with the pass defense, where Indiana gives up 8.5 ypa, 2nd worst in the Big Ten, along with a league high 20 passing touchdowns.  The secondary has bailed them out with a number of picks, but the front isn't generating much pressure, a 5.26% sack rate, which is allowing opponents to convert 43.2% of their third downs, and 71.4% of their fourth downs.  The Hoosiers have allowed 10 4th down conversions, most in the conference.  If Shea Patterson looks like he did last week, watch out.  He showed every bit of his starz rating in the win over Rutgers.  You may say, "but Rutgers," but to watch the game, the guys around him didn't show up.  The line regressed, the running game was absent, and he had a couple balls dropped early.  But he was hitting throws that I had not seen him make all year.  If that's who Michigan has going forward, look out, this suddenly becomes a team that can win the whole damn thing.  Defensively, it's hard to criticize Michigan.  Sometimes, like last week against Rutgers, they seem to get almost too fired up, as though just shutting teams down isn't enough, they want negative yardage plays every snap, and they lose discipline.  Peyton Ramsey is efficient, if you overplay him seeking the splash plays, he'll hurt you.  But while that may present opportunities for Indiana, the Wolverines still hit on enough of those plays to still beat you.  Indiana was better early in the year when Stevie Scott was running the ball well and providing balance.  A lower recruited true freshman was unlikely to continue that against better competition.  He didn't, and Michigan's defense is hardly the week to get right.
MICHIGAN 38, INDIANA 15

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Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2018, 12:22:02 PM »
Michigan is looking good. But, there are very few gimmes in the Big Ten.

This game is no gimme.
No one said it's a gimme.
Michigan seems laser focused right now and locked in.
Game is at home and it's senior day. Have to think those seniors like Chase Winovich will be ready to go and have their team ready to play in what is the final home game in front of the fans these guys will ever play in.
Michigan also seems to play MUCH better at home than they do on the road under Harbaugh for some reason. I get it. Teams play better at home vs on the road. But not quite sure I've seen a coach whose teams are so Jekyl vs Hyde when it comes to home vs road as Harbaugh coached teams have been under Harbaugh.
I'm pretty sure Michigan will be ready to go. Those seniors will want to go out with a win and that team knows what's at stake if they flubb up a week before THE GAME.

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Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2018, 12:49:47 PM »
This fits a lot of "trap game" criteria. But it's not worrisome ahead of time like recent IU games have been. Last year was the youngest team in the nation (after the record NFL exodus) and in 2016, Speight was sitting out for one game and all we had was O'Korn.

This is different - not the least because this is the first post-Wilson year where it's clear IU is absolutely a lower echelon team than they used to be. This one may end up scary, but it is moreso a trap game like 2006 Ball State was a trap game. Where that one was 100% overlooked by Michigan's anticipation for a #1 v. #2 game a week later. Ball State had no business being in a competitive game, but Michigan was focused elsewhere, so...

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Re: Indiana (2-5, 5-5) at #4 Michigan (7-0, 9-1) Game Week
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2018, 08:07:12 PM »
Looking for injury updates from M*ch*g*n. Winovich late hit was bush league.

If he can't play one may argue that losing Winovich is a bigger loss than Bosa for OSU.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2018, 08:25:06 PM by TyphonInc »

 

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