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Kingsvol

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Looks like...
« on: October 29, 2017, 02:20:04 PM »
...Florida has pulled the trigger on the shark lover.  Reports of them partings ways and a report that players have been told. 

Hey Florida boys you care if we borrow your AD so that we will have someone smart enough to fire Butch instead of watching the program burn to the ground?

Damn I hate that my school is so cheap and that there is no commitment to winning. Be thankful Florida fans you could be Tennessee. 

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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2017, 02:24:43 PM »
@Kingsvol , you may like the article posted here and here

Foley, the prior AD of UF- was impeccable... McGarity, UGA's current AD, worked as Foley's assistant for a long long time, and returned home to UGA- ultimately bringing back an all-american/SEC DB back as HC in Smart (after smart ventured into the world studying under Saban)... 

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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2017, 04:12:29 PM »
I want Chip Kelly or Scott Frost from UCF.  I want points.  
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2017, 06:05:16 PM »
I know there's bad blood between Mullen and some of the UF athletic department, but he's gotta be worth testing the waters.  Whatever else I have to say about him, he's a good coach and would be dangerous at Florida. 

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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2017, 07:14:37 PM »
it's being widely reported now that the fish humper is out.... UT may regret not moving sooner on a coaching hire. 

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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2017, 08:41:53 PM »
If they both go after the same guy, who gets him?  Can one offer more money than the other?  Which is more of a helmet in 2017?
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2017, 09:56:38 AM »
UF is in an interesting situation:

Built in in-state recruiting advantages 
An athletic department dedicated to winning
money to pay a high profile coach
prestige

They also just fired a guy who won the SEC East his first two years and turned on him at the first sign of struggle.
You can make a case that he should have had better control over his team before they did some of the things they did to help wreck this season, but whatevs. 

If i'm being courted by UF right now as their next HC I would consider the latter point. Will the administration give the new HC more than 2+ years to right the ship? 

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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2017, 10:52:52 AM »
i have come to the abrupt position that a coach should demonstrate results immediately, else the AD should come under some pretty stout scrutiny.  

that sounds simplistic, i know, but... if a 'new' coach can't take what's there and present better results than the 'prior' coach, what was the point?  (if winning is the only objective~ excluding disciplinary issues, in other words) 

yeah, there is the entire 'building roster to support scheme' thing, and it can't be overlooked- but the emphasis is and always should be 'taking what you got and making it work'.  without going into yet another tirade/rant such as i've issued on this board and the prior, this game is about cohesion- playing in concert- team- rhythm- comfort zone- team- and team.  A group of guys who execute as little as five plays to perfection on offense and with a defensive unit that relies on the space between their ears to determine position and reaction, instead of rallying to a single point of direction (team captain?... DC?) will go far in this sport.  

offenses break down and plays falter.  perfection in deployment of a sound scheme is hard to bust up.  defenses are deceived and indecisiveness leads to bad positioning in the players area of responsibility- causing holes and gaps exploited by the O.  Well rehearsed offensive plays executed to perfection are generally worth 4 yards a snap no matter the defensive resistance... smart defensive players (in proper location due to scheme) capable of executing proper mechanics on the tackle are difficult to gain yardage on.  fundamentals. 

it's not often who has the better tricks up their sleeves or who has an abundance of weaponry as much as it is 'who adheres to fundamentals better' that wins not only games but championships.  when the game GRADUATES to utilizing weaponry outside of that four yard objective is when you have something truly special (ala Bama, ala Georgia, ala almostPSU, ect).  

at florida, a first year coach will have no excuse.  zilch.  if they aren't competitive right out of the gate, then they aren't the right guys.  At Tennessee, i'd give at most one year out.  There ought ot be enough ponies on the team to compete instantly under the right direction, but they likely won't compete for a championship like UF could until they either bring in the players or develop them. 


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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2017, 12:28:50 PM »
Results is arbitrary. 
Smart was 8-5 his first year. Results in his case was infusing this team with talented depth and buying into his belief system. And getting them up to 85 scholarship players. Something Richt failed to do consistently was have a full 85 on scholarship. It was like he was giving UGA self probation each year.
Year 1 was never going to be a championship team.  

Look at what is happening at Texas. Tom Herman was believed to be the savior. Texas is 4-4 and may only have 1-2 wins left on their schedule. So what if they end up 5-7 like last year? Was it a bad hire? NO, and here's why, Texas is sitting at #4 in the recruiting rankings right now, so in my mind that is an immediate result. Whether they finish 5-7 or 6-6 this year is really not even that important. He's building talent.
Year 2 is when you typically start seeing the results on the field. Which is the case for Smart and I'd be willing to bet will be for Texas next year, although maybe not 8-0 heading into November. 


MikeDeTiger

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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2017, 01:54:59 PM »
Drew, the glaring point you're missing is Saban taking a 6-6 Alabama team and turning them into a 6-6 Alabama team.....

I mean, if he needs two years, how does anyone else get nailed for lack of immediate improvements?

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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2017, 02:03:11 PM »
Saban didn't have the talent already installed on the roster... whomever takes over UF will have it.  Tennessee is at best two years out poised to make a run on the third with the right hire... Saban is a Program Manager type, where some of these tacticians (Meyer, Kiffin, Leach, et al) can see some greater impacts quicker- and enough to get them to year four where their own recruits can start impacting. 

i'm not dead set i'm right.... i'm basically exploring the condition aloud, is all.  

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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2017, 08:39:44 PM »
The short leash thing started when Stoops won the NC in his 2nd year at OU.  Then Tressel did the same.  Coker in his first year.  Meyer in his 2nd at UF.  For helmet programs, you either have an elite coach or you don't.  An elite coach shows himself by year two, evidently. 

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