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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on August 09, 2018, 08:23:22 PM
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Oh my
https://twitter.com/NYGDaily/status/1027694873472913409?s=19
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I saw an Oh My play from Josh Allen tonight. Should lead any blooper reel.
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I never got what people saw there.
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yeah Josh Allen sucks. I don't get that at all.
Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Barkley looked like that. Haven't been more sure of a RB coming into the NFL since Adrian Peterson. Barkley is simply awesome. Some people for some crazy reason were down on him because at times his rushing numbers stalled out. Wasn't really his fault imo. Penn State's OL was mediocre. He did a lot on his own.
Baker Mayfield looked scary good. Pre-season caveats apply. But his command, footwork, pocket awareness, confidence, accuracy, and ball placement all looked years beyond what you'd expect from a rookie. Baker looks NFL ready to me. Browns made the right pick. Mayfield is winning that job before the season starts imo. Tyrod Taylor has never been anything but average.
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yeah Josh Allen sucks. I don't get that at all.
Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Barkley looked like that. Haven't been more sure of a RB coming into the NFL since Adrian Peterson. Barkley is simply awesome. Some people for some crazy reason were down on him because at times his rushing numbers stalled out. Wasn't really his fault imo. Penn State's OL was mediocre. He did a lot on his own.
Bell is the first back, give or take Faulk, I've seen do in tight space what Barry did, since Barry. Bell is a better pass catcher than Barry was, but backs weren't asked to do that nearly as much when Barry played, so who knows if he could have. Bell doesn't have nearly Barry's speed though. Barkley has it all, he has those tight moves, Bell's pass catching abilty, and Barry's speed. He's insane. He doesn't have AP's size
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yeah Josh Allen sucks. I don't get that at all.
Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Barkley looked like that. Haven't been more sure of a RB coming into the NFL since Adrian Peterson. Barkley is simply awesome. Some people for some crazy reason were down on him because at times his rushing numbers stalled out. Wasn't really his fault imo. Penn State's OL was mediocre. He did a lot on his own.
Baker Mayfield looked scary good. Pre-season caveats apply. But his command, footwork, pocket awareness, confidence, accuracy, and ball placement all looked years beyond what you'd expect from a rookie. Baker looks NFL ready to me. Browns made the right pick. Mayfield is winning that job before the season starts imo. Tyrod Taylor has never been anything but average.
Often it seemed like Franklin forgot Barkley was on the football field and PSU would go long stretches w/o using him. On the other hand Franklin probably added a season or 2 onto his NFL prime by never running him into the ground.
The best explaination I heard about Josh Allen was that he was the hill that old school scouts are going to plant their flag on.
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Skol Vikes!!!
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Just pull the plug and make it 7 on 7s
https://twitter.com/KDPomp/status/1031147160908308482?s=19
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The level of bad targeting penalties is telling me one of two things:
1. NFL refs are much worse than I thought
2. They're way overcompensating to make a point in the preseason
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The level of bad targeting penalties is telling me one of two things:
1. NFL refs are much worse than I thought
2. They're way overcompensating to make a point in the preseason
I'm really hoping for #2. They've done that before, overcompensating to try and force the guys to change how they play. But if they call the regular season like this, I'll have a lot of free Sundays...and I doing college is far behind.
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Aaron Rodgers signs the richest deal ever in NFL history with the Packers.
4 year, $134 million extension. $103 million fully guaranteed.
Edit: oops my bad. The extension is for $134 million and 4 years. He still had 2 years left on his current deal. So now it's a 6 year contract worth $176 million with $4 million in incentives that could make the deal worth $180 million.
My guess? He sees every dime of that money. He's only 34 and I don't see him slowing down any time soon.
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well, unless Anthony Barr body slams Rodgers on Sept 16th
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Raiders have a deal with the Chicago Bears in place to trade All-Pro LB/DE Khalil Mack. Raiders are stupid as hell. You don't give up a pass rusher like that this early in his career.
Bears defense just got a whole lot better.
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Raiders have a deal with the Chicago Bears in place to trade All-Pro LB/DE Khalil Mack. Raiders are stupid as hell. You don't give up a pass rusher like that this early in his career.
Bears defense just got a whole lot better.
The Chiefs starting RT was celebrating on Twitter, haha.
Lions couldn't win the division last year when Packers and Vikings lost their QBs, and the Bears were resetting with Trubisky. Now Rodgers is back, Vikings added Cousins, and Bears have a more experienced Trubsiky, and just added the best rush LB in the league. Oh and Patricia made a ton of terrible game management decisions in the preseason that have me thinking he the next rotten apple off the Belicheck tree. Should be fun.
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The Chiefs starting RT was celebrating on Twitter, haha.
Lions couldn't win the division last year when Packers and Vikings lost their QBs, and the Bears were resetting with Trubisky. Now Rodgers is back, Vikings added Cousins, and Bears have a more experienced Trubsiky, and just added the best rush LB in the league. Oh and Patricia made a ton of terrible game management decisions in the preseason that have me thinking he the next rotten apple off the Belicheck tree. Should be fun.
The Jon Gruden Part Deux experiment is off to a horrible start. I don't know how in the F you don't move heaven and earth to keep Mack around. That is a future Hall of Fame pass rusher- barring injury- knock on wood- who hasn't even hit his peak yet. Absolute insanity. Chicago's defense just got a lightning jolt of adrenaline to the heart. Raquon Smith was already my pick for defensive rookie of the year. I'm gonna double down on that pick now that he's got Mack in front of him to destroy offensive tackles all season long.
And yes, the Lions are screwed. No way they are winning the division any time soon. Patricia is a clown. This will not end well for Detroit. When will the NFL GM's and Owners realize that New England thing is basically all Brady and Belichik? Every time. Every single damn time they try to hire front office guys or coaches or sign free agents from New England- it never works out. Belichik never asks players to do things they can't- he adepts the schemes to the players- he's the smartest coach in the game- and Brady can take almost any player off the NFL scrap heap and make him a viable NFL starter on offense.
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Lions cut Rudock to keep Matt Cassell as the #2. Had no idea Cassell was still lingering around. Not sure I like that move.
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Raiders were holding out for two 1sts, and all they got was a 2nd and a 5th? That's a steal
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Raiders were holding out for two 1sts, and all they got was a 2nd and a 5th? That's a steal
Never mind, just missaw it on the bottom ticker. Got their two first rounders.
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Patricia is a clown. This will not end well for Detroit. When will the NFL GM's and Owners realize that New England thing is basically all Brady and Belichik? Every time. Every single damn time they try to hire front office guys or coaches or sign free agents from New England- it never works out.
So ELA and you are leading me to believe it's basically the Romeo Crennel Blueprint.They certainly look pedestrian at best when they leave Foxboro.But BB certainly faffed some drafts in BrownsTown and they gave him Carte Blanche.Even I couldn't foresee the gaggle of ebola chimps that paraded thru afterwords that ran the draft.Somewhere Matt Millen was shaking his head in disgust.Somebody is playing with one big fookin' Ouija Board around here
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Or Weis...or Mangino...or McDaniels...
BOB is the lone success, and that's relative. Basically he kept PSU mediocre when they could have been awful, and the jury is out in Houston.
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Never mind, just missaw it on the bottom ticker. Got their two first rounders.
Bears also gave up a a 3rd and 6th rd pick to the Raiders. The Raiders gave the Bears a 2nd and a conditional 5th rd pick.
Bears sign Mack for 6 years and $141 million with $90 million of that guaranteed. Biggest contract so far for a defensive player yet.
Still can’t belive the Raiders decided to cheap out. Mack with the rookie DT’s Hall and Hurst and the rookie DE Arden Key could’ve been something.
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If Curtis Martin never existed James Conner was the best Pitt RB since Dorsett (he's better than McCoy). So while he's not LeVeon Bell they'll be fine at the position. That is assuming his knees hold up. Conner's best attribute as a RB is that you can't tackle him high unfortunately because of that guys just dive at his knees. He took a ton of legal but cringey shots to his legs at Pitt and now stronger and faster players will be doing it.
Was kind of hoping his future was say getting about 1/3 of Bell's carries and platooning at TE/HB. A position he could definitely play as he has the power to block for the run game and he's a very underrated pass catcher. Now he's on track for 300+ touches. I hope I'm wrong b/c I love watching him play but don't really see him lasting too long doing that.
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If Curtis Martin never existed James Conner was the best Pitt RB since Dorsett (he's better than McCoy). So while he's not LeVeon Bell they'll be fine at the position. That is assuming his knees hold up. Conner's best attribute as a RB is that you can't tackle him high unfortunately because of that guys just dive at his knees. He took a ton of legal but cringey shots to his legs at Pitt and now stronger and faster players will be doing it.
Was kind of hoping his future was say getting about 1/3 of Bell's carries and platooning at TE/HB. A position he could definitely play as he has the power to block for the run game and he's a very underrated pass catcher. Now he's on track for 300+ touches. I hope I'm wrong b/c I love watching him play but don't really see him lasting too long doing that.
Well I snagged him on my fantasy team, so I'm hoping Bell stays out at least 10 weeks and Conner lasts that long...
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the Bills look historically bad
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Steelers bailed out after a 15 yard landing on the QB penalty
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Two personal foul calls against the Browns that I wouldn't be able to explain to someone who knew nothing about football.
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Watching Barkley try and do anything against that garbage Giants OL makes him look even more like Barry
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So I can explain those personal fouls on the Steelers corner
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Brownies respond with a punishing drive and score a touchdown.
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Nice to see Demarious Randall with that pick. He was a decent to solid CB for the Packers but the Browns were smart to move him to FS (where he played at ASU), a much more natural position for him.
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Gerg Willams called for a 8 man front and single coverage on Brown on 2nd goal from the 25. I'll let you guess what just happened.
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Gerg Willams called for a 8 man front and single coverage on Brown on 2nd goal from the 25. I'll let you guess what just happened.
GERG!!!
Denzel Ward looks like he can play though.
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Browns seem satisfied with scoring a touchdown and taking the rest of the day off
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LeVeon losing some more money today
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Let's see, the Bengals-Colts game looks great. Glad I have to watch the Steelers whip the Browns.
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LeVeon losing some more money today
Conner is just really freaking good.
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Not sure how they call all thenticky tack stuff and then miss a definition crack back block in the open.
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Not sure how they call all thenticky tack stuff and then miss a definition crack back block in the open.
I thought it was pretty clean - shoulder to shoulder. I confess, figuring out the rules is very difficult, but my understanding is as long as he doesn't hit him in the head or knees it is fine.
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Browns respond to my encouragement. And my Bungles won!
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Jabrill Peppers has been a big fat nothing as a punt returner, which is surprising to me.
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Lol
Timeout! You don't have any. Oh, then...um...I'm cramping.
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I have to imagine that no team ever went +5 in TOs and also benefitted from like 150 yards in penalties and didn't win.
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I have to imagine that no team ever went +5 in TOs and also benefitted from like 150 yards in penalties and didn't win.
Welp. Until now
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This game has been something
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Awesome.
Not many ties in the NFL.
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GERG!!!
Denzel Ward looks like he can play though.
2 picks,ya Peppers looked decent almost scored on that turnover
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2 picks,ya Peppers looked decent almost scored on that turnover
Not just that but he was often in man coverage with Antonio Brown and didn't embarrass himself
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Jabrill Peppers has been a big fat nothing as a punt returner, which is surprising to me.
That one fair catch he prolly could have taken back 7-8 yrds at least,he didn't fumble in the rain
and that counts he played decent
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Bad call on Garret on that OT pick player was on his way down and Myles barely brushed him cost the Browns 10 yds.Squeelers seem to always get most of the calls.I speak from 4 decades of witness.Could have effected that last FG attempt
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Bad call on Garret on that OT pick player was on his way down and Myles barely brushed him cost the Browns 10 yds.Squeelers seem to always get most of the calls.I speak from 4 decades of witness.Could have effected that last FG attempt
That was about the most inconsistently called game I've ever seen.
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Adrian Peterson finished with 96 yards rushing on 26 carries and also had 70 yards receiving on two receptions. The 166 yards from scrimmage make the 33-year-old Peterson the oldest running back with 150 scrimmage yards in a season opener since the 1970 merger. Peterson is 33 years and 172 days old. DeAngelo Williams previously held the mark, which he set for the Steelers in 2016 when he was 33 years and 140 days old.
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That was about the most inconsistently called game I've ever seen.
Got another view and maybe not that bad but the infraction had no bearing on the end of the play
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Bill Barnwell posted a stat that since the Browns came back, teams with a plus five turnover margin are 132-4-1. The Browns have two losses and the tie.
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Aaron Rodgers leaves the field with an apparent knee injury.
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Thanx Sam like watching them faff the drafts year in/out and going 1-31 the last two seasons wasn't salty enough
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Aaron Rodgers leaves the field with an apparent knee injury.
With what he's making get his ass back out there....or play around him
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Khalil Mack is killing the Packers
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Jabrill Peppers has been a big fat nothing as a punt returner, which is surprising to me.
I didn’t think he was a great punt returner in college either. Just like today, I thought he settled for a fair catch when he could have ran so many times.
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Khalil Mack had been a Bear for about ten seconds. He's helped knock Aaron Rodgers out of the game, forced and recovered a fumble, and has a pick six.
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I didn’t think he was a great punt returner in college either. Just like today, I thought he settled for a fair catch when he could have ran so many times.
I just remember him looking like he got shot out of a gun on his returns. It was intimidating
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Mack is absurd
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I just remember him looking like he got shot out of a gun on his returns. It was intimidating
When he actually returned it, I would agree. His willingness to settle was a point of frustration for M fans.
How good is Mack? My goodness
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It feels like every NFL coach knows the best way to win offensively, but hates to employ it unless necessary. With a good QB, going pace seems unstoppable
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I guess Aaron Rodgers is pretty good, huh?
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Mack is absurd
Dumbest trade I’ve ever seen.
He’s arguably the best defensive player on the planet a future Hall of Fame player just entering his prime and you trade him? Makes zero sense.
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I guess Aaron Rodgers is pretty good, huh?
Yeah, he and Brady are just on another level from every other QB in the game. They are 1A and 1B in my eyes.
I love Mack. Bears fleeced the Raiders in that trade imo. But just goes to show how much more valuable an elite QB is than an elite defensive edge player. As good as Mack is, not sure any defensive player is worth $25 million a year. Only guy who is worth that sort of scratch is a QB. With the rule changes and the way the game is played today, the NFL game today is all about the QB.
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Dumbest trade I’ve ever seen.
He’s arguably the best defensive player on the planet a future Hall of Fame player just entering his prime and you trade him? Makes zero sense.
unless you can't afford to pay him because you're paying yer QB too much
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Shocked that the Patricia hire is this bad. Shocked I tell you.
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https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2018-09-06/colleges-most-represented-2018-nfl-rosters?utm_campaign=monday&utm_medium=fbs&utm_source=9-10-newsletter%20&utm_content=link-1 (https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2018-09-06/colleges-most-represented-2018-nfl-rosters?utm_campaign=monday&utm_medium=fbs&utm_source=9-10-newsletter%20&utm_content=link-1)
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Shocked that the Patricia hire is this bad. Shocked I tell you.
Seems like every Belichick assistant follows the Charlie Weiss/Romeo Crennel trajectory
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unless you can't afford to pay him because you're paying yer QB too much
they paid Derek Carr a lot but the cap is going up. They could’ve made it work but it would’ve probably meant not re-signing Amari Cooper when his deal is up.
Cooper is a good starting NFL receiver. He’s not special. Khalil Mack? Now he is special. With a capital S.
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Shocked that the Patricia hire is this bad. Shocked I tell you.
very predictable.
Kinda funny how the Patriots defense- which was mostly hot garbage last year- looked light years better game 1 against Houston without Patricia.
Lions probably not gonna win 8 games this year.
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they paid Derek Carr a lot but the cap is going up. They could’ve made it work but it would’ve probably meant not re-signing Amari Cooper when his deal is up.
Cooper is a good starting NFL receiver. He’s not special. Khalil Mack? Now he is special. With a capital S.
This
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very predictable.
Kinda funny how the Patriots defense- which was mostly hot garbage last year- looked light years better game 1 against Houston without Patricia.
Lions probably not gonna win 8 games this year.
8? They won't win 6. Their schedule is tough, I was having trouble finding 8 wins before discovering how bad they were, and that was giving them a W tonight, their easiest game of the season. I think 4-12 or 5-11. How you do that with Stafford is insane, but tonight shows how much he has been covering up. It took him being excellent just to get the team to mediocre. When he sucks, you see how they have no Plan B.
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Lions probably not gonna win 8 games this year.
Misery loves company,can you float a few of those Clevelands way?
Evidently,new NFL coaches went 0-7 in week 1
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the bears lost yards on this play
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm1HVlvUUAALUdN.jpg)
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the bears lost yards on this play
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm1HVlvUUAALUdN.jpg)
Tribusky sucks. I still can't believe the Bears traded all those picks to move up one spot and drafted him that high.
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yes you can
cause it's Da Bears
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yes you can
cause it's Da Bears
it's just what happens in the NFL right now. You need a QB so bad that teams always reach.
It was an awful QB class that draft and they plunged and reached on a guy that just wasn't all that good.
They should've just sat pat at #3 saved those picks they gave to the 49ers and taken DeShaun Watson. Watson was the only QB in that draft that I'd have touched with a 1st round pick. Said that many times on this board before that draft.
Bears would be a completely different team with Watson and those picks. They'd have been dangerous. Packers or Vikings going to win that division.
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should be shocking to no one- reports filtering out that the Lions players hate their coach Matt Patricia and feel like he's in over his head. Lol. SO predictable.
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by the way....NFL head coaching records of Belichik disciples?
Romeo Crennel: 28-55
Eric Mangini: 33-47
Josh McDaniels: 11-17
Bill O'Brien: 31-34
Nick Saban: 15-17
Jim Schwartz: 29-51
Matt Patricia: 0-1
Combined W-L totals? 147-222. .398 winning percentage.
Belichik's record in Cleveland? 36-44. Belichik's record in NE without Brady? 5-13. 41-57 pre-Brady. .418 winning percentage.
Makes me think even more that this NE thing has been mostly about Brady and his greatness as a clutch QB and leader of men.
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winning in the NFL had long been about the quality and level of play at the QB position
why some GMs don't seem to understand this.......... I'll never know
why reach in the draft, go get someone that is already proven, and pay them
and BTW, don't stock up on head case WRs, stock the O-line with pass blockers that do not allow your big $$ QB to take a beating
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winning in the NFL had long been about the quality and level of play at the QB position
why some GMs don't seem to understand this.......... I'll never know
why reach in the draft, go get someone that is already proven, and pay them
and BTW, don't stock up on head case WRs, stock the O-line with pass blockers that do not allow your big $$ QB to take a beating
That's the craziest part about the Lions. They are this bad with a pretty darn good QB. He's no Brady or Rodgers, or even Brees or Roethlisberger. But he's been a legit top 8ish QB for a few years now, and they peaked with a couple Wildcard losses.
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never a great defense in Detroit
some franchises just seem to destroy good QBs, but the Lion's O-line isn't terrible at pass protect
really should have dominated the Vikings and Bears with their sad string of QBs during the Stafford years
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That's the craziest part about the Lions. They are this bad with a pretty darn good QB. He's no Brady or Rodgers, or even Brees or Roethlisberger. But he's been a legit top 8ish QB for a few years now, and they peaked with a couple Wildcard losses.
NO one is Brady or Rodgers. They are just on another level. Brady with his leadership and knowledge of the game. Rodgers with his ability to throw pin point accurately on the run. No one can match those things.
Stafford is better than Roethlisberger is now. Big Ben is all washed up imo. Just doesn't have it anymore.
Stafford is easily the best QB the Lions have ever had. The guy is tough as nails too. He's taken a beating. Never had a real OL or run game and he's still produced. He's hidden A LOT of warts on that Lions team over the years. Lions haven't had a 100 yard rusher in 68 games. Last RB to go for 100 for them was Reggie Bush in 2013 I believe. That is pathetic.
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Bungles looking sharp
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Bungles looking sharp
I think that game was more about what the Ravens aren't than what the Bungles are. Flacco still sucks. He has always sucked. Why they gave him that massive contract after that fluke Super Bowl season is beyond me. He just might get Harbaugh fired. If I was Harbaugh I'd have some balls and just start Lamar Jackson already and be done with it. Seen enough of Fluke-O.
Dalton still looked like a soul-less talent-less ginger shit awful QB in my mind. I have no idea why they keep committing to him. Bengals might have the best roster man for man in the entire NFL. Unfortunately Marvin Lewis is still their head coach and Andy Dalton is still their QB. And like most highly drafted Alabama DB's in the NFL- Dre Kirkpatrick still sucks.
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Stafford is easily the best QB the Lions have ever had. The guy is tough as nails too.
Bobby Layne and the 1950's say hello
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Bobby Layne and the 1950's say hello
Stafford went to the same high school as Bobby Layne in Texas. Highland Park.
Bobby Layne is 2nd best. Stafford is first. Rest of the QB's that have ever played for the Lions have pretty much sucked.
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Show me the hardware you can't compare across 60 year variances.Every things different,nutrition,fitness,scheduling,surfaces,natural progression,etc;Just win ,Baby !!!
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Steelers are quite bad
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And there's nothing wrong with that
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Lol, Bills CB, and former Illini, Vontae David, apparently retired at halftime of their game today. Packed up his stuff and left.
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Lol, Bills CB, and former Illini, Vontae David, apparently retired at halftime of their game today. Packed up his stuff and left.
LOL his contract is still fully guarenteed. genius.
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The AVERAGE passer rating for NFL QBs yesterday was 105.1
Tom Brady's CAREER passer rating is 104.1, Rodgers is 103.9.
In case anyone needs more proof that the pendulum has sung too far in making it too easy on passing games.
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Josh Gordon to the Patriots for a 5th round pick.
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Joe Tessitore is my absolute least favorite football announcer.
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I was thrilled to see him leave for the NFL.
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Yeah, getting Sean McDonough back and giving the NFL this guy is a big win for us.
Thus far, this booth is awful. Tessitore sounds as self important as ever, Witten is a big nothing, then randomly some third guy will chime in by yelling nothing.
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My wife didn’t appreciate it but I was telling her what a lousy crew that is for MNF. Those guys should be doing Friday night AAC games.
But like ELA said, if it means getting McDonough back for college games I’ll take it.
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My wife didn’t appreciate it but I was telling her what a lousy crew that is for MNF. Those guys should be doing Friday night AAC games.
But like ELA said, if it means getting McDonough back for college games I’ll take it.
Yeah, that's what I don't get. Love them or hate them the MNF booths generally gave off big game vibes. If you just had the audio on, like you said, you'd think it was for a Friday Night AAC game.
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I usually have the video on and the audio off
MNF or AAC games
most of us on this board know more about football than the announcers
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Browns winning w/ 2 min left. Mayfield looks really good. Also Hyde was a steal at 3yr/15M, thought he was very good at SF running w/ no OL and lousy QBs.
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Clowns win!
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Mayfield looks the part. He is going to be much better than Sam Darnold. The hype on Darnold because the Jets beat the crappy Lions was getting out of hand. He's honestly not that good. Mayfield is much better.
Hue Jackson cost his team a shot at 3-0 by not starting Mayfield. The Browns might have the worst coaching staff in the NFL. Oh wait never mind. That honor goes to the Lions.
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Doing my best Fred Sanford "ya hear that Elizabeth it's the big one,I'm comin' ta join ya"
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A 60 year old in a Kosar jersey fist fighting a 35 year old in a Manziel jersey for free Bud Light should be the official insignia for the city.
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Mayfield looks the part. He is going to be much better than Sam Darnold. The hype on Darnold because the Jets beat the crappy Lions was getting out of hand. He's honestly not that good. Mayfield is much better.
Hue Jackson cost his team a shot at 3-0 by not starting Mayfield. The Browns might have the worst coaching staff in the NFL. Oh wait never mind. That honor goes to the Lions.
Very accurate. Very magical night in Cleveland. Since 1995, it's never really felt like the Browns were here. Last night, it felt like Cleveland got the Browns back.
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Are the Browns maximizing Peppers this season, or is he still 20+ yards off the LOS?
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Are the Browns maximizing Peppers this season, or is he still 20+ yards off the LOS?
They're keeping him closer to the line more often than not, but still some plays have him 20 yards off, which makes no sense.
I still don't think he's a great punt returner. Even at Michigan, he had a tendency to call a fair catch when he had plenty of room. He's done that a few times this season as well.
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He's bordering solid not spectacular,hasn't hurt the team with mistakes - a lot of their picks were nothing but mistakes.Like Mario said a few times he could have taken the rock and turned it up field.No biggie,as long as he's fundamentally sound
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If the Browns win a football game on Thursday Night Football, does it make a sound?
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Very accurate. Very magical night in Cleveland. Since 1995, it's never really felt like the Browns were here. Last night, it felt like Cleveland got the Browns back.
Hue Jackson came off looking like a clown to me in Hard Knocks. Really don't think he's the guy for that job. He just comes off like a total clown. That was probably a bit of an over-reaction on my part calling the staff the worst in football, because Todd Haley and Greg Williams are damn fine co-ordinators. I think Hue Jackson pretty much sucks though.
It's clear as day to anybody with a set of eyeballs that Mayfield as a rookie is far superior to Tyrod Taylor. Taylor has never been anything but mediocre in his 8 year NFL career. He's an average NFL QB. Not trying to slam him, it's just the truth. I really believe they are 3-0 with Mayfield in either of those games. The Steelers defense sucks with a capital S. Baker would've made more big plays against them. Think he would've made more plays against the Saints too. The game wouldn't have come down to having to rely on a kicker to win either game if Baker is the stater imo.
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Are the Browns maximizing Peppers this season, or is he still 20+ yards off the LOS?
Last year he looked like a guy who made it this far just by being the most athletic guy on the field, and didn't know what to do now that he no longer was. PFF graded him as the worst 1st round pick last year. This year it looks like he's spent some time in the film room, and looks like a football player, not an athlete playing football. I still think he has a chance at a good career.
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If the Browns win a football game on Thursday Night Football, does it make a sound?
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I wasn't downtown, but apparently it was a wild night and a sight to see. It made a sound. Baker coming at the exact time that Lebron left is a perfect storm. This has always been a football town. If Baker is the real deal, it's going to be a wild ride.
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Last year he looked like a guy who made it this far just by being the most athletic guy on the field, and didn't know what to do now that he no longer was. PFF graded him as the worst 1st round pick last year. This year it looks like he's spent some time in the film room, and looks like a football player, not an athlete playing football. I still think he has a chance at a good career.
I know. But he was severely out of position. He was never a safety. He's a hybrid space player. If a defense doesn't use a HSP, then he's a linebacker. Making him a safety is an assinine waste of dollars, time and talent. And, if you're going to make him rove as a safety, at least keep him within 8 yards of the LOS. That's the only place he belongs -- not versatile, but that one thing, he can be All Pro at it.
Just let him defend screens and the run and he'll be a gem. Or trade him.
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They're keeping him closer to the line more often than not, but still some plays have him 20 yards off, which makes no sense.
I still don't think he's a great punt returner. Even at Michigan, he had a tendency to call a fair catch when he had plenty of room. He's done that a few times this season as well.
I think one of the most valuable thing a punt returner can do is have the courage to run up and fair catch the really challenging punts to field ... rather than let the ball bounce for 10-25 yards. Peppers was better at that than any PR i've seen at Michigan. And it's a way underrated skill, IMHumbleO.
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Last year he looked like a guy who made it this far just by being the most athletic guy on the field, and didn't know what to do now that he no longer was. PFF graded him as the worst 1st round pick last year. This year it looks like he's spent some time in the film room, and looks like a football player, not an athlete playing football. I still think he has a chance at a good career.
PFF had him graded the first two games as the Browns' highest graded defensive player. Don't know what his grade was week 3 but first two weeks it was great. With Greg Williams, he's got a chance at a great career. His athleticism is off the charts. He's a legit 5'11, 215 pounds with legit 4.4 speed. Sky is the limit with him. He hasn't played a lot of football. Remember his first year at Michigan in 2014 he got hurt in the first game never played again all year. And then in 2015 and 2016 the new Michigan coaches bounced him around from corner to safety to nickel to linebacker/viper and they also played him on offense and special teams. He didn't really get a chance to stick at one position and just develop. He also only started maybe 24 games of college ball.
Peppers will be a great one before it's all said and done. Got no doubt about it. He's a worker and he's an athletic freak.
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why a LB instead of a safety?
not fast enough, can't cover a WR one on one?
at 5'11" and 213lbs he's a bit small for an NFL LB
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why a LB instead of a safety?
not fast enough, can't cover a WR one on one?
at 5'11" and 213lbs he's a bit small for an NFL LB
He was meh in coverage at Michigan. He's a death merchant against the run or bubble screens, though. TFL, TFL, gain of 1 yard, TFL. He belongs near the LOS on every down.
Definitely undersized for a classic LB. But taking on blocks doesn't have to be his game, because he's usually not blockable. Still, size matters, and that's why he's a: HSP > OLB >>>>>>>>> S
The Browns have him at S.
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thanks
I don't watch the Browns much.
Had golf league last night
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I think one of the most valuable thing a punt returner can do is have the courage to run up and fair catch the really challenging punts to field ... rather than let the ball bounce for 10-25 yards. Peppers was better at that than any PR i've seen at Michigan. And it's a way underrated skill, IMHumbleO.
Best PR at michigan? That can’t be a serious statement.
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Best PR at michigan? That can’t be a serious statement.
yeah he doesn't even come close to Breaston. Like remotely.
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Best PR at michigan? That can’t be a serious statement.
I didn't say he was best overall. I said he was best at this one overlooked thing which I think is very valuable.
Fielding challenging punts is rare and important. Letting the ball bounce those extra 15 yards sucks.
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yeah he doesn't even come close to Breaston. Like remotely.
Or the pose.
I will say my one gripe for a while was the inability after Desmond to find a good one. They were pretty lousy from him until Breaston showed up. I think Baraka would have been good if he wasn't such a screw-up
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I didn't say he was best overall. I said he was best at this one overlooked thing which I think is very valuable.
Fielding challenging punts is rare and important. Letting the ball bounce those extra 15 yards sucks.
I can’t say that I agree. The only thing peppers does well at PR is catch the ball and I can think of numerous occasions he let the ball bounce when he shouldn’t have at Michigan.
I can think of a half dozen PR I’d rather have back there for any skill, including catching the ball. Breaston, Desmond, Carter, Alexander, Woodson. I like Peppers, but he doesn’t sniff top anything at the position for me.
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I can’t say that I agree. The only thing peppers does well at PR is catch the ball and I can think of numerous occasions he let the ball bounce when he shouldn’t have at Michigan.
I can think of a half dozen PR I’d rather have back there for any skill, including catching the ball. Breaston, Desmond, Carter, Alexander, Woodson. I like Peppers, but he doesn’t sniff top anything at the position for me.
I'm not sure where the disconnect is. I'm saying that he fields the ball well in hard situations that most PR's let fly and roll. In other words, I'm saying he catches the ball. You are saying he catches the ball. I'm saying this is important and overlooked. You are saying you disagree.
In the years between Breaston and Peppers and ever since Peppers with DPJ, Michigan has wasted DOZENS of yards per game by not fielding challenging punts. I've come to the conclusion that this is just because normal players won't dart up to fair catch them like Peppers would.
Usually players lack the courage and just let it roll. But letting it roll is a terrible idea.
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You’re saying he’s the best you’ve seen at running up and catching the ball at PR at Michigan and I’m saying I disagree with that. The list of guys I posted were far superior at returning the ball after the catch, but also superior at catching the ball. Yes there was a period over the last decade where that’s been absent, but to say Peppers is the best we’ve seen runningbup to catch the ball is not something I agree with.
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What I should have said is that Peppers is the only PR I can remember who caught punts in a way that seemed impressive. Usually that's a mundane part of the game. And though Breaston et al. were excellent PRs, catching punts seemed mundane for them too.
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Bills blowing out the Vikings in Minneapolis is more shocking than any college result this weekend.
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You're shitting me,I'm out of my suicide pools then lost 2 weeks ago on N.O. of course back up Fitzgerald turned into Unitas against them.....on the road now this - it's just brutal.Can't figure this shit,Buffalo really somebody lites a fire under them the same week the Vikes mail it in go-figure.Both were double digit Chalk BTW
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Lions defense has forced Patriots into three straight 3 and outs to open. They are actually run blocking. Outgaining them 194-13. 13-0 in first downs. Who is this team?
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I am getting concerned about the wasted draft from last year. Jarrad Davis sucks, and Teez Tabor, well, also sucks.
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As you may or may not know/care, I don't watch NFL, but am not comatose, I do see clips and vids. I had to laugh at seeing Rosen's debut reel. I also notice there's a fetish around how long Andrew Luck's throws have been. I made a dollar bet (it was 10:1 for me) two years ago with a friend here in Indy that the guy won't throw an NFL pass after age 30. I felt at the time, the guy seems so interested in life outside football, that if his health is/was such an issue, he'd move on.
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Lions defense has forced Patriots into three straight 3 and outs to open. They are actually run blocking. Outgaining them 194-13. 13-0 in first downs. Who is this team?
typical Lions actually. They always seem to pull one out of their you know what against a really good team at home. Even when they suck. Reminds me of the year they beat the Greatest Show on Turf.
I'm more surprised by the Patriots. Their defense flat out sucks. And Brady has zero weapons. They have 3 active WR's for this game. Phillip Dorsett and Cordalle Patterson are two of those three. Can't believe they traded Jacoby Brissett to the Colts for Phillip Dorsett. Dorsett flat out sucks. So does Patterson. Patterson was a kick returner and Dorsett was a bench player. Both of them were 1st round busts.
Belichik has to go. He's lost it. Brady has been carrying that team for the last 10 years. The defensive genius hasn't had a defense in 10 years and his drafting roster management honestly kinda sucks.
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Wow, 16 point win, and it wasn't even that close. Weirdest part was how New England straight up quit. Down two scores with the ball and about 1:50 left, they decided to not even try to win.
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Wow, 16 point win, and it wasn't even that close. Weirdest part was how New England straight up quit. Down two scores with the ball and about 1:50 left, they decided to not even try to win.
their defense sucks. Nick Foles lit them up in the Super Bowl. Blake Bortles lit them up last week.
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Their whole team sucks as of now. The offense put up 10 on a defense that Sam Darnold put up 41 on. Major issues across the board up there right now. Still early
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Their whole team sucks as of now. The offense put up 10 on a defense that Sam Darnold put up 41 on. Major issues across the board up there right now. Still early
agree 100%. they might have the worst roster outside of Brady, Gronk, and Edelman in the entire NFL and Edelman is still suspended 1 more game. Minus those 3 guys- their other 50- honestly kinda suck.
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Belichik has to go. He's lost it. Brady has been carrying that team for the last 10 years. The defensive genius hasn't had a defense in 10 years and his drafting roster management honestly kinda sucks.
In all fairness there was a time when you were espousing Brady & BB like they were Ike and Patton.I knew Belichick could coach but his achilles heel was talent evaluation.He always thought he could take someone physically gifted and turn them into a baller.No denying he had to do some things right(fundamentals,techniques,Xs & Os) to be in the mix this long but now it appears father time and karma are rearing their ugly heads.He could never trust the advice of talent scouts/player personnel.Kind of hard to focus,scout,coach in the NFL and follow all the talent in college also.You were talking about WR's for NE.They just picked up Josh Gordon - you talk about the weakest link.This guy should never be allowed to reproduce and why I hate the swindling NFL.Literally 1-2 times a year he'd have a relapse - oh the poor darling needs help.Ya he does the NFL can start by kicking him to the curb and making him fend for himself.Gosh maybe partying wasn't that important and a steady decent pay check was.Accountability - no one ever seriously called him on it.Catering & coddling to creeps who flaunt not only rules but laws.I'd love to see that NFL stack of cards come down - end of rant
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The NFL has to amend this rule about the defender’s body weight landing on the QB and they have to do it yesterday.
There is no way a guy can rush the QB at full speed, wrap him up and hit him, and then not land on him. There is just no way to do it.
Watched Matthews get called again for a perfectly legal hit and then saw a Seahawks drive extended against Dallas on 3rd down for the exact same thing. Both were textbook clean hits.
I always roll my eyes at the “put a dress on em” comments but this particular rule about has me there.
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Wonder when was the last time the Browns & Lions won in the same week
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I think it was one or two Sundays after god made the earth and took a sabbath to rest and feel swoll.
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Seeing as they didn't win last year and won once the year before on the 2nd last game of the year.It would have to be Christmas week end 2016 or maybe during the 2015 season
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Looked it up Oct 26,2014.And to think I could have made big money being GM for either of these train wrecks for 2-3 seasons,SMDH
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The NFL has to amend this rule about the defender’s body weight landing on the QB and they have to do it yesterday.
There is no way a guy can rush the QB at full speed, wrap him up and hit him, and then not land on him. There is just no way to do it.
Watched Matthews get called again for a perfectly legal hit and then saw a Seahawks drive extended against Dallas on 3rd down for the exact same thing. Both were textbook clean hits.
I always roll my eyes at the “put a dress on em” comments but this particular rule about has me there.
There was 1? QB hurt last year because someone landed on him, and news flash, Aaron Rodgers didn't get hurt because he was landed one. Aaron Rodgers gets hurt because he scrambles all the time
This monday night game is a trash fire.
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Roethlisberger is a shitty human being that I could never root for. But from purely on the field standpoint, there are a million identical QBs of varying abilities, so when he hangs them up, I will miss the uniqueness of his skill set.
It's why I hope a guy like Mayfield makes it.
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I won't miss Ben
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It's why I hope a guy like Mayfield makes it.
You and every Brown's Fan whose clock is ticking
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Steelers are getting crushed 23-14 by the Ravens. At home. They are missing Todd Haley's play-calling and Le'Veon Bell's play-making on offense. And their defense just sucks.
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In all fairness there was a time when you were espousing Brady & BB like they were Ike and Patton.I knew Belichick could coach but his achilles heel was talent evaluation.He always thought he could take someone physically gifted and turn them into a baller.No denying he had to do some things right(fundamentals,techniques,Xs & Os) to be in the mix this long but now it appears father time and karma are rearing their ugly heads.He could never trust the advice of talent scouts/player personnel.Kind of hard to focus,scout,coach in the NFL and follow all the talent in college also.You were talking about WR's for NE.They just picked up Josh Gordon - you talk about the weakest link.This guy should never be allowed to reproduce and why I hate the swindling NFL.Literally 1-2 times a year he'd have a relapse - oh the poor darling needs help.Ya he does the NFL can start by kicking him to the curb and making him fend for himself.Gosh maybe partying wasn't that important and a steady decent pay check was.Accountability - no one ever seriously called him on it.Catering & coddling to creeps who flaunt not only rules but laws.I'd love to see that NFL stack of cards come down - end of rant
Must have me confused. Never been a huge Belichik fan. Obviously I respect those kind of results. He's been very fortunate to have a QB like Brady in the era where the game is all about the QB.
When Belichik got to New England, most of those pieces on that defense they used to win their first 3 Super Bowls were already there. Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Richard Seymor, Teddy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel- those guys weren't drafted by him. They were drafted by Bill Parcells. Now THAT is a coach who was flat out amazing when it comes to personnel. Obviously Belichik got some great gems that other NFL teams gave up on like Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison, and Randy Moss- but those guys were NFL HOF type players before Belichik ever coached them. They were seen as has beens that he took a chance on and all those chances worked out. Most of the other players that Belichik took a chance on didn't work out like they did. Belichik drafted Vince Wilfork at DT and that's basically it. That's it. Every other guy he drafted on defense was basically terrible, average, or above average. D'onte Hightower, Devin McCourty, Jerrod Mayo? Those guys were never studs. Above average, sure. Great? No. Elite? Hell no. Wilfork was really the only flat out stud he's drafted. Chandler Jones was on that track but he traded him away. In 19 years. 19 drafts. The guy has a really shitty eye for talent for being such a "genius".
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I didn’t watch the Browns game but saw the call where they overturned the 1st down late in the game. That looked like an awful call. If I’m a Cleveland fan I’m livid.
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I didn’t watch the Browns game but saw the call where they overturned the 1st down late in the game. That looked like an awful call. If I’m a Cleveland fan I’m livid.
Yes, I am livid,but more about the Carr in the grasp call, when the ball was knocked out before anyone grasped him. Ogbah or maybe it was Obunjobi had the ball with a clear run to the endzone.
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Steelers are getting crushed 23-14 by the Ravens. At home. They are missing Todd Haley's play-calling and Le'Veon Bell's play-making on offense. And their defense just sucks.
Its more the defense. Other than Dupree and Haden (who's less than mediocre) I can't name others who play D on them.
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Its more the defense. Other than Dupree and Haden (who's less than mediocre) I can't name others who play D on them.
TJ Watt is suppose to be really good. And he's JJ Watt's brother. Incase you've never heard that on a tv broadcast any time he makes a tackle.
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I didn’t watch the Browns game but saw the call where they overturned the 1st down late in the game. That looked like an awful call. If I’m a Cleveland fan I’m livid.
Guess the NFL had to give Chuckie some love
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Patrick Mahomes seems to be the real deal
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Both of my magick foosball teams are off to a 1-3 start.
Stupid magick foosball.
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man do the Patriots look much better with Julian Edelman back and Josh Gordon starting to flash. Sony Michel is starting to come on for them as well and they have wisely started to feed their pass catching RB James White in the short passing game again. Even though he had that drop that lead to an INT Chris Hogan looks pretty good again as a 4th or 5th option. He was looking very bad when he was forced to be the #1 receiver.
Teams can't just double Gronk now and take him out of the game and shut down the entire offense like they were doing before when they only had 3 active WR's- two of which are 1st round busts that suck in Coradarelle Patterson- who is nothing more than a kick returner- and Phillip Dorsett- who has 4.3 speed but can't get open and can't catch a cold.
It's a shame that Patterson and Dorsett are both so bad at receiver. Both of them are fast. Really fast. Patterson ran 4.41 at the combine and Dorsett ran 4.33. Both were 1st round picks and neither of them have ever been able to figure out the receiver position. They might as well just move Patterson to RB and they should probably just cut Dorsett because he flat out sucks. Patterson at least has given them some big plays on returns and on bubble screens. Dorsett is just awful.
Their defense still sucks though. But as long as Brady has his weapons and they can score 30+ a game they'll be able to mask that. If not for Gronk and Hogan having two uncharacteristic really bad drops near the red-zone that lead to INT's they would've dropped 50+ on the Colts.
Brady will probably get them back to the Super Bowl as long as his weapons stay healthy and Josh Gordon stays out of his own way and doesn't get into trouble off the field. Belichik will ensure they probably lose the Super Bowl though because his defense is once again straight trash.
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Rogers and Crosby SUCK!
Crosby was a buff
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man do the Patriots look much better with Julian Edelman back and Josh Gordon starting to flash.
I hope an Ebola Chimp bites every last one of them in the ass.And I hope Jerk Gordon gets one on each cheeck
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he hate me
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Since College Josh Gordon has gotten 8 do overs.That's bullshit "F" the Sunday League - at least the way they do business
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I will agree
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Lions are going to blow this, aren't they?
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Browns are working on the same thing
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Mason Crosby now 0-4 on FGs, 0-1 on PATs. Enjoy free agency
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that might be the worst game winning kick ever
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Lions are going to blow this, aren't they?
I was having flashbacks of Rodgers’ Hail Mary. Thought for sure they would blow it. Thanks to god for the Packers’ idiot kicker.
How do they beat Brady AND Rodgers and have a 2-3 record? Typical Lions man.
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As much as I'm rooting against a division foe, that flag on Minnesota might be a new low in softness of the personal foul calls
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that might be the worst game winning kick ever
Are you talking about the Browns kicker?
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Barkley went nuts tonight
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1050555343820926977?s=19
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1050558462478807040?s=19
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1050576508278820864?s=19
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Barkley is flat out amazing. This is blasphemy, and I never thought I'd say this...but he is the closest thing to Barry since.
Always laughed at people who said Reggie Bush or LeSean McCoy were Barry-like. Those guys weren't even remotely close. Barkley actually is. And in the era where they can't hit like they used to be able to and defenses are playing 5 or 6 DB's all game long because everything is spread out- he is going to put up crazy numbers in this NFL as long as he stays healthy. And with his style, he should last longer than a guy like Adrian Peterson did. Peterson sought out contact, didn't really make people miss, was more of a punisher.
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I need to get in bed but this Chiefs-Pats game is just too good.
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I need to get in bed but this Chiefs-Pats game is just too good.
I don’t know. Part of me hated it.
That was some pathetic defense.
Chiefs might have the worse defense in the NFL. Patriots might have the 2nd worst.
Belichick is suppose to be a defensive genius. He hasn’t had a defense in 10 years and every year they just get suckier and suckier. That New England defense is terrible.
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Bill has to pay Brady, the O-line and a few WRs
no money for the defensive side of the ball
besides, the Chefs have been shredding every defense they've played
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Bill has to pay Brady, the O-line and a few WRs
no money for the defensive side of the ball
besides, the Chefs have been shredding every defense they've played
Huh? Brady is underpaid relative to other QBs. He takes a home town discount every contract.
They don’t have any high paid WRs. They refused to give Amendola or Cooks money, which is why they traded Cooks and let Amendola walk.
The OL? That OL is all no name low draft picks on rookie contracts. The one guy they had on that OL that was a pro bowl player was Nate Soldier- who they let walk and NY Giants paid him a lot.
That high price CB Stephon Gilmore who was supposedly the best CB on the F/A market that Bill signed last year in F/A to the $50 million contract- looks like a big fat waste of money. Could’ve gotten someone a lot cheaper to be an average CB.
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Gronk is the highest paid TE in the league, and there are only like 10 that make even half of what he does.
But yeah, they spent a lot of money on the secondary, and it's not panning out. I think McCourty is the highest paid safety in the NFL, and as you said Gilmore is a top 5 paid CB.
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Players want a Union give them a Union.Base salary the same for everyone - the rest incentives.Put an end to crap like that.Look at the season Denzel Ward(i.e.) is having as a rookie,but he can't get that coin.BB would make that swap today I don't care if one's a CB and the other a S
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Players want a Union give them a Union.Base salary the same for everyone - the rest incentives.Put an end to crap like that.Look at the season Denzel Ward(i.e.) is having as a rookie,but he can't get that coin.BB would make that swap today I don't care if one's a CB and the other a S
I've often thought that in the NFL that would actually work. Every team spends basically right to the cap anyway. So you would basically be eliminating free agency, but the players as a whole wouldn't be harmed by it, if they truly are a union.
Obviously free agency in baseball drives salaries as a whole up, but in a capped league, where every team spends right to the cap, it wouldn't, you would just be redistributing the same amount of money equally. Less roster movement I think would make for a more interesting league too, more developed rivalries.
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first thing the player's union would want is a higher cap or no cap.
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first thing the player's union would want is a higher cap or no cap.
Well no cap, it doesn't work. They always WANT a higher cap. But that's the point, within the same cap rules, it's no less money for them. Just means the top guys make less, and the bottom guys make more.
You could actually make it even better for them, and not make it a "cap" make it a team salary. So really, right now every team is some amount under that "cap" so that brings every team up to the line. I pulled up the Lions, just as an example. They are $7.3 million under the cap, even accounting for dead money, which would also no longer be a thing. You would also set a separate standard practice squad salary, that could be prorated based on time spent called up, on a full NFL salary.
So take the cap this year, $177.2 million. NFL has 53 man rosters, split that up evenly, that's roughly $3.34 million per player. That's right about on par with what the 12th highest paid player on the roster is making this season. That's the cap hit number, not the actual paid. Only 6 guys are actually making that money this year, the rest got it up front as signing bonuses.
So the issue isn't the amount, the amount is the same. Roughly 75% of the guys in the league will see a raise, many a substantial one. Hell, most will wind up making more this season than they would have for their whole careers. The problem on year to year deals like that would be injuries, and the lack of any sort of guaranteed deals, but most NFL contracts are only minimally guaranteed anyway. This may lead to quarterbacks having their own separate union of entitled princesses, but the the large majority of the union's membership, it would be a huge boon. I also think you'd see guys stick around longer because you wouldn't see teams opt for young guys, because if it's close to equal you'd rather take a guy on a rookie contract than pay a 28 year old the veterans minimum to be a backup, but if the pay is the same, that would actually probably reverse, and teams would hold onto guys for longer.
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Gronk is the highest paid TE in the league, and there are only like 10 that make even half of what he does.
But yeah, they spent a lot of money on the secondary, and it's not panning out. I think McCourty is the highest paid safety in the NFL, and as you said Gilmore is a top 5 paid CB.
Gronkowski is worth every penny. His underpaid actually. Honestly, the guy is a flat out dominant future 1st round ballot HOF level player.
McCourty contract never made sense to me. He’s OK. Nothing more. Same for Gilmore. They are wasting big money at those two positions right there. Neither one of those guys are remotely close to elite.
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Nobody's worth that kind of money,1st off one would have to show up every day.Good/great yes,injury prone yes,twice he's missed half the season one year 5 games
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Nobody's worth that kind of money,1st off one would have to show up every day.Good/great yes,injury prone yes,twice he's missed half the season one year 5 games
He’s the greatest TE to ever play the game and it’s not close. I don’t care that he’s missed time.
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Shannon Sharpe,Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez say hello.And they didn't have Tom Brady throwing to them
1. Tony Gonzalez
Kansas City 1997-2008; Atlanta 2009-13
6-time first-team All-Pro, 14-time Pro Bowler
270 games – 1,325 catches, 15,127 yards (11.4 ypc), 111 TDs
2. Antonio Gates
San Diego 2003-Present
3-time first-team All-Pro, 8-time Pro Bowler
220 games – 927 catches, 11,508 yards (12.4 ypc), 114 TDs
3. Shannon Sharpe
Denver 1990-99, 2002-03; Baltimore 2000-01
Pro Football Hall of Fame, Class of 2011
4-time first-team All-Pro, 8-time Pro Bowler
3 Super Bowl rings (XXXII, XXXIII, XXXV)
204 games – 815 catches, 10,060 yards (12.3 ypc), 62 TDs
4. Rob Gronkowski
New England 2010-Present
4-time first-team All-Pro, 5-time Pro Bowler
2 Super Bowl Rings (XLIX, LI)
2014 AP & PFWA Comeback Player of the Year
102 games – 474 catches, 7,179 yards (15.1 ypc), 76 TDs
Gronk had the highest ypc but less than half the games played at 102,stay healthy my friend
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Kellen Winslow Sr. about the same number of games as Gronk
109 games 541 catches 6741 yards 12.5 ypc, 45 TDs
I'd give the nod to Gronk, but it's close
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Kellen Winslow Sr. about the same number of games as Gronk
109 games 541 catches 6741 yards 12.5 ypc, 45 TDs
I'd give the nod to Gronk, but it's close
Not close at all.
Gronk averages 3 yards more per catch and has 32 more TD's on 41 less catches.
When you factor in Gronk's flat out dominance as a blocker, it gets even more distant. Gronkowski might be the most dominant blocking TE ever. Most of these other TE's with his kind of #'s could barely block.
Seriously. He is the greatest TE to ever play this game and it's not close. If he hadn't had so many injuries his #'s would be off the charts. I mean they kind of already are and he's missed a shit ton of games.
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Bullcrap Gonzalez has played over 2 1/2 t mes as many games and over 3X as many catches.Gronk comes in behind Gates,those guys never threatened to quit if traded either.Again nice to have Brady throwing to you,wonder what Gonzalez/Gates numbers would have been on N.E.Stats don't lie - Seriously.
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Gonzalez and Gates are the only other TE’s in Gronk’s realm and neither were even remotely close as blockers.
Gronkowski is the best TE to ever play this game. He’s to Barry Sanders is to RBs or Moss is to WRs. There’s just nothing else like him in the history of the game. I don’t care that he’s missed a huge chunk of his career bc of injuries.
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Bullcrap,Gronk evidently doesn't posses the toughness factor quit pulling kaka out of your keister and posting it as fact.Don't trade me or I'll quit,yup tough guy right there
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Sounds like Patrick Peterson is on the market.
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Sounds like Patrick Peterson is on the market.
He was never as great as he was built up to be and he’s a shell of his former self.
Not sure he’s worth going after unless you get him dirt cheap.
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Raiders just fleeced the Cowboys. They just traded Amari Cooper to the Cowboys for a 1st round pick.
I hated the Mack trade. He's a truly great player in his prime. A guy that could wind up in the HoF one day. You don't trade those guys unless they have serious character flaws or injuries. He has neither.
This trade? I love this trade. Cooper is pretty much mediocre and very inconsistent, leads the NFL in drops almost every season and they just stole a 1st rd pick from the Cowboys for him. Jerry Jones strikes again. At least he didn't give up two 1st round picks for him like he gave up for Roy Williams.
Don't get it though. They could've had Earl Thomas if they gave up a 1st. They weren't willing to do that, but they were willing to give up a 1st for Amari Cooper? Doesn't make sense to me. Earl is far superior player to Cooper and he'd have kicked that defense up another notch or two.
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Yeah, but it's the Raiders. They spent a 1st round pick on Jamarcus Russell. Not like they're going to do anything productive with that pick ;-)
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Yeah, but it's the Raiders. They spent a 1st round pick on Jamarcus Russell. Not like they're going to do anything productive with that pick ;-)
He was a bust, but wasn't he a consensus #1? Whoever was there was taking him? It's the Derrius Heyward-Bey type picks that leave people scratching their heads.
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He was a bust, but wasn't he a consensus #1? Whoever was there was taking him? It's the Derrius Heyward-Bey type picks that leave people scratching their heads.
True, but we're talking about NFL scouts who rate a QB on their height and their "arm talent", i.e. being able to throw 80 yards on his knees, rather than on whether or not they're actually good at playing QB.
We see it every year.
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Every time anyone tries to change the topic, Tessitore just tries to grovel at QBs. I think Mike Greenberg was the worst, but it might be this self important asshat.
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What the hell were the Giants thinking going for 2 down 8? Ended up not mattering, but didn't seem logical to me. I understand his logic he gave, but don't agree with the move.
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I don't follow the NFL or have a horse in the race but this is DELIGHTFUL all the same:
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarktheNomad/status/1056251069087539207
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Packers-Rams has been a really good game.
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turned out great
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I am getting concerned about the wasted draft from last year. Jarrad Davis sucks, and Teez Tabor, well, also sucks.
After getting beat all afternoon long yesterday, Tabor is now dead last (#114 out of 114) cornerbacks, according to PFF. This is a guy the Lions wasted a 2nd round pick on.
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After getting beat all afternoon long yesterday, Tabor is now dead last (#114 out of 114) cornerbacks, according to PFF. This is a guy the Lions wasted a 2nd round pick on.
Wait, you just realized this now? It was a wasted 2nd round pick the minute it was made. Tabor never lived up to the 5* recruit hype at Florida.
Not sure what the Lions cap situation is, I honestly don't pay much attention to that stuff, but they need to cut Tabor and make a trade for someone else before the trade deadline.
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Browns will give you Hue Jackson and try Tabor for a season.In case you hadn't heard Hue got his walking papers
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This is a guy the Lions wasted a 2nd round pick on.
The Vikings wasted a 1st round pick on Laquon Treadwell and then were dumb enough to throw the ball to him on 4th down
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Browns will give you Hue Jackson and try Tabor for a season.In case you hadn't heard Hue got his walking papers
Shocking.
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Hugh wins one game in two years then wins 2 games and took 4 games to O.T.You could almost make an argument for keeping him......almost.It's amazing how real ignorant some owners are a Hobbit has more football acumen than Haslem.He hires Larry,Curly and Moe all Harvard Grads who proceed to draft Arena League cast offs in'15,'16,'17,
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Former Husker quarterback Zac Taylor is considered a favorite to be the Cleveland Browns’* next head coach.
https://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/former-husker-zac-taylor-among-top-names-for-open-nfl/article_d909ee66-980d-5f18-9908-f1dd6aa02d1e.html (https://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/former-husker-zac-taylor-among-top-names-for-open-nfl/article_d909ee66-980d-5f18-9908-f1dd6aa02d1e.html)
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I guess it worked in Cleveland when the Cavs hired Lue.
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I'll bet Miles and Moos are aware that Lue is looking for a job
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The first three names I saw thrown out there for the Browns were Lincoln Riley, Mike McCarthy and Jim Harbaugh.
I don't think Jim Harbaugh is done coaching in the NFL, but I don't think the time he's leaving is now, and certainly not to go coach the Browns.
McCarthy makes some sense, the situation in Green Bay feels stale, and maybe they just need a new voice there. I kind of think it's the same in Pittsburgh, where they have a great coach, but the message is stale. All parties involved there could benefit from Tomlin going to Green Bay, and McCarthy coming home to Pittsburgh. Absent that, I still think McCarthy would take a year off over coaching the Browns.
If Riley wants it, that makes a lot of sense. Then again, he might not want it. I don't get it, if you can coach in the NFL, I would do it every day, just do be done recruiting, and kissing the ass of 17 year olds for 2 years on the recruiting trail, just to have them transfer the second you stop kissing their ass. But Oklahoma is one of those special jobs that doesn't come around all the time.
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with a little luck vs the Longhorns a guy can coach in Norman for 20 years or as long as he'd like
not many last 5 years in the NFL, 10 is really a good run
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The first three names I saw thrown out there for the Browns were Lincoln Riley, Mike McCarthy and Jim Harbaugh.
I don't think Jim Harbaugh is done coaching in the NFL, but I don't think the time he's leaving is now, and certainly not to go coach the Browns.
McCarthy makes some sense, the situation in Green Bay feels stale, and maybe they just need a new voice there. I kind of think it's the same in Pittsburgh, where they have a great coach, but the message is stale. All parties involved there could benefit from Tomlin going to Green Bay, and McCarthy coming home to Pittsburgh. Absent that, I still think McCarthy would take a year off over coaching the Browns.
If Riley wants it, that makes a lot of sense. Then again, he might not want it. I don't get it, if you can coach in the NFL, I would do it every day, just do be done recruiting, and kissing the ass of 17 year olds for 2 years on the recruiting trail, just to have them transfer the second you stop kissing their ass. But Oklahoma is one of those special jobs that doesn't come around all the time.
I honestly don't think Jim is leaving. Not any time soon anyway. And not for the Browns. Pretty sure his family would not want him playing his brother twice every year in the division. Their parents talked about how much they hated when they played each other the two times the 49ers and Ravens played in Jim's 4 years as an NFL head coach. Not sure they want that every single year.
The NFL is all about having a QB. If he was ever going to leave for an NFL job, I think it was when the Colts job came open. Reuniting with Andrew Luck? That's a no brainer. Harbaugh would've turned that team around year 1.
As for Lincoln Riley- I wouldn't take the Browns job unless they gave me complete control. If he was ever going to go to a job with a perfect QB fit- that's it. He knows Baker better than anyone.
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Lions trade WR Golden Tate to the Philadelphia Eagles for a 3rd round pick.
Not sure I like it. On one hand yeah, it's nice to get a 3rd rd pick and it's his last year in his deal. And I know it's not like the Lions are serious contenders for the NFC- but why make a conference foe in the Eagles better? Tate can still play, and this just gives Philly another weapon in their arsenal. Philly just won the Super Bowl. They've started slow, but adding Tate to their offense could really give Wentz the confidence he needs to get back to playing to his 2017 level pre-injury. I don't love it. Trade him to the AFC.
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/10/30/18043724/golden-tate-trade-eagles-lions
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I don't think Jim Harbaugh is done coaching in the NFL, but I don't think the time he's leaving is now, and certainly not to go coach the Browns.
I still think McCarthy would take a year off over coaching the Browns.
Before Pittsburgh started winning Super Bowls and NE got lucky with Brady/Belichick,the Browns were a destination.Cleveland was always at the top of attendance for '50s,'60s,'70s,80s,.Seriously what was the Patriots tradition?Pittsburgh at least had similar fans but Boston - their football fans didn't show until they won.But the Vulture FVcks in No Fun League allowed its lackie Art to bankrupt/mismanage the Franchise then up and leave with it.Then they tax my Beer,Whiskey,cigars,cigs so some Billionaire can have some cushy digs to rest wealthy self on my dime.Browns fans deserve better and are/were not opining for Jimmy
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D. Thomas traded from Broncos to Houston.
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D. Thomas traded from Broncos to Houston.
not surprising. he's in decline. looks like he's going the Dez Bryant route. just a shell of his former self.
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Wait, you just realized this now? It was a wasted 2nd round pick the minute it was made. Tabor never lived up to the 5* recruit hype at Florida.
Not sure what the Lions cap situation is, I honestly don't pay much attention to that stuff, but they need to cut Tabor and make a trade for someone else before the trade deadline.
https://twitter.com/lionsfanreport/status/1058053960878174209?s=19
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Lions/Vikings Sideline
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Ball Girl?
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I would expect her to be ballin
more fun than Spielman in the booth
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Ravens fans with probably the most audible cheer for an opposing team injury I've ever heard.
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Drew Brees needs to be far more involved in conversations of best QB of all time. He might wind up with the most yards with the best completion percentage. Not sure what more you need
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Drew Brees needs to be far more involved in conversations of best QB of all time. He might wind up with the most yards with the best completion percentage. Not sure what more you need
Since 2000 only Brady's career has been better. I think he's better than Rodgers and Manning. Its hard to do best of all time for QBs. For example Steve Young could have probably played well into his late 30s-early 40s at a high level if he didn't get his skull bashed repeatedly.
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The steelers are a dysfunctional mess and its all 2018 COACH OF THE YEAR Mike Tomlin's fault.
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That was a beautiful beating the Steelers put on Carolina. Conner out does himself game after game.
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The steelers are a dysfunctional mess and its all 2018 COACH OF THE YEAR Mike Tomlin's fault.
Steelers fans are both the best and worst in the NFL
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That was a beautiful beating the Steelers put on Carolina. Conner out does himself game after game.
and think of all the $$$ they are saving at the RB position
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and think of all the $$$ they are saving at the RB position
Saving yes, but I'm sure they would have rather used that $8 million to bolster their team elsewhere.
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Shouldn't count against the cap if it's not paid out, right?
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Shouldn't count against the cap if it's not paid out, right?
No, but they had to manage the cap in the offseason like he was going to sign it.
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yup, crap deal. I'd tell him to stay home, don't need him the remainder of the season and not pay him. well, until Conner would happen to get injured
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I don't blame either side. I don't blame a player for not signing a deal to cost himself millions getting run into the ground, and I don't blame the team for not committing a ton of long term money to a position with a short shelf life if you believe you have another stud at his position on your roster.
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I don't blame him either or the franchise
everyone has to make the best decision at the time
I'm just saying, it seems to me, w/o having too much knowledge of the situation of the franchise, the difference in performance from Conner to Bell wouldn't be worth the extra $$$ at this point in the season
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The NFL season is long, and Conner's never done it before. I don't think Bell is in game shape yet, and I'm not sure he's the type that would accept a "role," but he'd be getting paid either way.
It's not like you can use the money elsewhere this year so I think he'd be great to slowly work in, and limit Conner's carries over the second half of the season. Plus his skills as a receiver means there are certainly situations you could play them together.
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Well, either way we'll know by 4:00 PM ET on Tuesday. That's the deadline for him to play or not in the NFL in 2018.
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I'll bet he signs
I think I read he's already missed almost 8 million
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I'll bet he signs
I think I read he's already missed almost 8 million
The point was for him to avoid wear and tear and injury risk... If he signs now he's probably only going to make $4.25M-6.15M guaranteed for the year [depending on whether the Steelers apply for a 2-week roster exemption], and could potentially play in as many as 9-11 games depending on the playoffs.
If he doesn't sign, the Steelers can't put the franchise tag on him again unless they want to pony up ~$25M guaranteed for one year, which they won't do.
IMHO, his smartest move is not to sign. If he wouldn't take $14.5M over 16-20 games [incl playoffs], why would he take well under half that for half the games, when he could still have a season-ending or career-ending injury?
After all, look at what happened to Dez Bryant today... Will probably never play again if his achilles is actually torn.
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Yeah, at this point t he avoids the wear and tear, but keeps the injury risk. At this point I wouldn't bother signing at all. I saw some rumors that have him signing with the Texans in the off-season. That division is so garbage they would easily be the best team in it
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Bengals going full Bengal
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Saints also with some great uniforms. Purdue looked great in this look too, it's a shame what they've done the last 5-6 years. Worst uniforms in the Big Ten now by a LONG shot.
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The classic Rams blue and yellow might be my favorite NFL uniforms ever
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The point was for him to avoid wear and tear and injury risk... If he signs now he's probably only going to make $4.25M-6.15M guaranteed for the year [depending on whether the Steelers apply for a 2-week roster exemption], and could potentially play in as many as 9-11 games depending on the playoffs.
If he doesn't sign, the Steelers can't put the franchise tag on him again unless they want to pony up ~$25M guaranteed for one year, which they won't do.
IMHO, his smartest move is not to sign. If he wouldn't take $14.5M over 16-20 games [incl playoffs], why would he take well under half that for half the games, when he could still have a season-ending or career-ending injury?
After all, look at what happened to Dez Bryant today... Will probably never play again if his achilles is actually torn.
I didn't know about the loophole. Yea he's better off just holding out. He'll get signed and at say 17M/year you are still getting one of the best players in the league for Jarvis Landry money.
Packers, Colts, Cards, Lions (do they have cap room?), Seahawks, Texans, and Jets could all use him.
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I've seen Texans as the most likely destination
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The classic Rams blue and yellow might be my favorite NFL uniforms ever
Really?I like the the classic originals - the ones the fearsome foursome played in
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The classic Rams blue and yellow might be my favorite NFL uniforms ever
Me too. I love them.
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reports starting to surface that John Harbaugh is out at the Ravens at the end of the season. Would be a terrible mistake in my opinion. Hell of a coach.
Anybody with a set of eyeballs could've seen that giving Joe Flacco a $27 million a year contract to pair with an aging defense was going to lead to a decline. Ravens owner should fire himself for ever giving Joe Flacco that contract.
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Why is #52 looking right at where Turbinsky is throwing and going the opposite way?
How in the world did #26 end up on his head????
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dr6PhJvUcAA_fnn.jpg:large)
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Was really hoping that was the all-bust duo of Jarrad Davis and Teez Tabor, but not. Unfortunately they are probably not even in the game because somehow these two clowns are actually better.
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Nodded off last nite the Pack was up 14-3.Nice job
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Why is #52 looking right at where Turbinsky is throwing and going the opposite way?
How in the world did #26 end up on his head????
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dr6PhJvUcAA_fnn.jpg:large)
Lions gonna Lions
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Here’s to hoping Mike McCarthy ends a post-game conference with @I need to take a dump” so that the media, for all they can tell, can ask “isn’t that what you’ve already been doing the past 4 hours on the Packers sideline?”
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Here’s to hoping Mike McCarthy ends a post-game conference with @I need to take a dump” so that the media, for all they can tell, can ask “isn’t that what you’ve already been doing the past 4 hours on the Packers sideline?”
at what point is Aaron Rodgers going to accept any of the responsibility/blame?
Sick of hearing how great he is when he constantly under performs in the 4th QTR and chokes against the good teams and in the playoffs.
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Aaron Rodgers has nothing to do with 2 starting DB's being injured and a back up also.Lost an LB and a back up WR.Evidently GB didn't get the rock back for the last 4 1/2 min. of the game.
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at what point is Aaron Rodgers going to accept any of the responsibility/blame?
Sick of hearing how great he is when he constantly under performs in the 4th QTR and chokes against the good teams and in the playoffs.
MMcC’s botched decisions in no way excuse Aaron Rodgers for the equally bad positions he put his team in last night. Rodgers noticeably faded in the 4th Q and this isn’t his only instance of him failing to get the job done. Seems like every time Rodgers faces another big name QB he comes up short. To Brady, Wilson, Matt Ryan, Goff, Carson Palmer.
And when Rodgers starts his 4th Q fades his eye-rolling, pouty attitude doesn’t help either. But because Packers fans have prematurely sainted Rodgers we all go through the same act-surprised skit when it’s time to point fingers over another Packers loss.
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usually I'd just say this isn't true, and it's just ESPN click-baiting and attention whoring which is all they do these days....but then again this is Jimmy Haslam and the Browns we're talking about....
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job
Apparently the Browns want to interview former US Secretary of State Condi Rice for their vacant head coaching job. Can't. Make. This. Stuff. Up.
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Lions now have two wins thanks to crappy kickers, who are normally not crappy. Crosby and Gano
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and Cam Newton sucks
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Apparently the Browns want to interview former US Secretary of State Condi Rice for their vacant head coaching job. Can't. Make. This. Stuff. Up.
Shoot me,stab me,run me over.....on the bright side they didn't ask Michelle Obama
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Michelle would make a pretty good Linebacker for them.
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Shoot me,stab me,run me over.....on the bright side they didn't ask Michelle Obama
or Hillary
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Hill-dawg would not make a good LB for them.
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Apparently the Browns want to interview former US Secretary of State Condi Rice for their vacant head coaching job. Can't. Make. This. Stuff. Up.
LMAO - from 11 Warriors "That is just ridiculous. They should find Amelia Earhart first.....but she's hiding from the Browns"
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Hill-dawg would not make a good LB for them.
one heckuva tough head coach
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Saints waterboarding the Champs behind the woodshed
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Bears should wear the orange jerseys permanently.
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and Cam Newton sucks
Not as bad as Kirk Cousins. Man what a lifeless showing against the Bears.
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Considering the QB play yesterday across the league, seems weird that the guys who had the 5th (Cousins) and 6th (Newton) best QBR on the day are the ones singled out. Only Brees, Luck, Winston and Trubisky were higher than those two.
Carson Wentz, Deshaun Watson and Marcus Mariota were all sub 25. Outside of Brees and Luck, the best QB play we saw yesterday was mediocre.
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Not as bad as Kirk Cousins. Man what a lifeless showing against the Bears.
when you sign a contract like that, you might be singled out
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With the NCF North wide open given Cousins is only good for stats, the Bears offense is questionable, and the Lions are their usual self, I’m wondering, for as much as I’ve ripped on Green Bay, if this is one of those years where Rodgers goes on one of his late-season tears we’ve seen before. In 2013 the Packers were 5-6-1 having just lost to Detroit on Thanksgiving before winning the Division. In 2016 the Packers were 4-6 before capping the regular season with 6 wins.
Now, at 4-5-1, can Rodgers lead a similar uphill run? His bum knee slows up his mobility and even if it’s talk radio hype, there’s so much coverage of how disagreeable Rodgers is with McCarthy.
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It wouldn't shock me, but that's really just faith in Rodgers.
I still think it's the Bears, but if the Vikings can get their defense fixed, they could still make a run. Last year they led the NFL giving up only 6.0 ypa, now they are giving up 7.5, good for 17th. Get that pass defense sorted out, and I think the team looks a lot different.
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the Vike's defense is only good on 3rd down and wasn't even good on 3rd down last night
I'd rather the Bears win the division than Rogers
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when you sign a contract like that, you might be singled out
He's usually not great in the endzone but I'll take Cousins at 30M/year over Keenum at 17M/year.
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I'd rather have Keenum and more money spent on the O-line
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Teez Tabor healthy scratch. Thank god
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Considering the QB play yesterday across the league, seems weird that the guys who had the 5th (Cousins) and 6th (Newton) best QBR on the day are the ones singled out. Only Brees, Luck, Winston and Trubisky were higher...
Cousins belongs to the class of QBs whose Pro Bowl level stats don’t contribute to actually winning or the fortitude when the game is on the line. A class whose chief practitioner is Matt Stafford, aka Stat Padford.
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Ed Zachery
and I'm stuck rooting for Stafford today!
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nice play by the Lion's defense!!!
FUMBLE!!!!
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nice catch by Bellore!
first down!!!
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Cousins belongs to the class of QBs whose Pro Bowl level stats don’t contribute to actually winning or the fortitude when the game is on the line. A class whose chief practitioner is Matt Stafford, aka Stat Padford.
He's like any QB in that like 8-15 best range. You can't really let them go, because it's unlikely you'll find one as good, but they aren't good enough to win with the limited roster created by their high salary.
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He's like any QB in that like 8-15 best range. You can't really let them go, because it's unlikely you'll find one as good, but they aren't good enough to win with the limited roster created by their high salary.
The definition of NFL purgatory. Given how all-important (too important) the Quarterback position is I’ve wondered about an NFL where the QB position is pardoned from Salary Cap restrictions. Teams could pay a QB however many millions they wants while the rest of the roster answers to the Cap limits.
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The NFL has to do something about the number of pick plays. But hey, people who don't like football like points, so they won't.
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Lion's unis a little too plain
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Lion's unis a little too plain
I love the Thanksgiving throwbacks. Now that they are a few removed, I'd like the Barry era rolled out once.
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I don't mind them
I'm sure PSU fans love them
the Barry Sims and/or Barry Sanders' era would be my pick
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Matt Stafford has to go. I’ve seen enough.
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Golladay has got to catch that pass in the endzone
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I don't blame the lions for getting rid of him, he was terrible.
Of course this happens tho
Eric Ebron, 2014-2017 with the Lions: 11 receiving touchdowns on 186 catches
Eric Ebron, 2018 with the Colts: 10 receiving touchdowns on 40 catche
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Phillip Rivers going 28-29 at this point of his career is the strongest evidence yet we need to swing rules back to the defense.
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I don't blame the lions for getting rid of him, he was terrible.
Of course this happens tho
blame the Lions
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Phillip Rivers going 28-29 at this point of his career is the strongest evidence yet we need to swing rules back to the defense.
Rivers has a great arm
it's his head and other obstacles
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Dan Bailey sure fell off in a hurry
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the O-line sucks, even on special teams
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Go Pack GO!!!
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Someone should probably drug test Randy Gregory again
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Jourdan Lewis with maybe the play of the season for the Cowboys with a ridiculous INT in Saints territory to ice the game and secure the W.
Why he hasn't been playing more is beyond me. He played a ton as a rookie, but seems to have some sort of beef with the new secondary coach from the Seahawks who seems to only want CB's that are 6'+. Lewis also seemed to get in it with his head coach on the sideline. Not sure those guys respect Jason Garrett. Not sure they should either. Garrett has got to go even if they make the playoffs. Jim Harbaugh with the Dallas Cowboys would be pretty got damn interesting. They seem to have every ingredient he's looking for when it comes to a football team. Defensive team with a strong run game and a QB that can run a little bit. Not that different from his 49ers teams when he was going to the NFC Chip every single year.
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Someone should probably drug test Randy Gregory again
can't believe he's still drawing a paycheck
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Kansas City Chiefs just cut star RB Kareem Hunt. Wow.
Apparently TMZ just released a security video from a hotel where this guy went full blown Ray Rice on his girlfriend. Incident happened back in February of this year.
Chiefs just cut him now, claiming Hunt mislead them on the situation. BULLSHEET. These teams are coporations worth billions with yearly operating budgets in the 100s of millions. No way they didn’t have private dicks comb through everything. No way they didn’t see that video. They’re just cutting him now bc TMZ finally got their hands on it and leaked it for the world to see.
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Oh don't get all pissy because you had him in fantasy.But ya the NFL is a filthy bunch of hypocrites
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Redskins could be really good next year
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Oh don't get all pissy because you had him in fantasy.But ya the NFL is a filthy bunch of hypocrites
Didn't have Hunt. Picked up Ware as soon as I heard though.
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Didn't have Hunt. Picked up Ware as soon as I heard though.
I had to dumpster diving a couple weeks ago because LeVeon Bell, is well, being Bell; Jerick McKinnon is done for the year, and James White was on bye. Was between Alfred Blue and Spencer Ware. Went with Blue, who did actually get like 55 yards that week, and is still on my bench. But man, that could have really worked out well.
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Losing in Lambeau to a 2-9 warm weather Cardinals in December sure seems like the Packers franchise are ready to usher in a dark age of the level of the Lions last decade or the recent Browns.
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In the 1950's Cleveland - Detroit faced off 4 Times for the NFL Title '52,'53,'54 & '57.Lions taking 3 of the 4.BASTAGES
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Losing in Lambeau to a 2-9 warm weather Cardinals in December sure seems like the Packers franchise are ready to usher in a dark age of the level of the Lions last decade or the recent Browns.
Not sure which GM has done a worse job surrounding an elite QB with talent. Packers with Rodgers or Indy with Luck. Rodgers has arguably been the best QB in the league for years now, and since their title 8 years ago, they've only even made it back to the NFC Championship Game twice, never winning it. Not like there has been a Patriots sitting in their way. Seahawks were great for like a 2-3 year period, and it otherwise has felt like it's been their conference to lose for a decade...and they've been losing it.
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Losing in Lambeau to a 2-9 warm weather Cardinals in December sure seems like the Packers franchise are ready to usher in a dark age of the level of the Lions last decade or the recent Browns.
we Viking fans can only hope
;)
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Mike McCarthy fired
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who will Rogers pick for the next coach?
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Bo Pelini
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Mike Leach
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who will Rogers pick for the next coach?
His insurance agent? Seems to be the only person who doesn't hate him.
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URBZ going pro?
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Not sure which GM has done a worse job surrounding an elite QB with talent. Packers with Rodgers or Indy with Luck. Rodgers has arguably been the best QB in the league for years now, and since their title 8 years ago, they've only even made it back to the NFC Championship Game twice, never winning.
Completely agree with you on the GM essentially being more at fault than McCarthy; the roster slowly eroded and the team became too dependent on Rodgers bailing them out as time went on and as Rodgers became less and less capable, particularly these past two seasons as Packers fans and the QB-focused sports media unrolled every excuse imaginable on behalf of Rodgers, which gives way to perhaps my more disagreeable point: Rodgers is NOT an all-time great QB, particularly outside of his statistical reign from 2011-2014. Rodgers’ bloated reputation is enforced by the incessant drum beat of the two groups mentioned before: the Packers fanbase and the QB-obsessed media, both of whom refuses introspection when it comes to their moody and pouty QB.
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His insurance agent? Seems to be the only person who doesn't hate him.
Is Rodgers that big of a D-Bag?I hear that occasionally,like those who know him are going on record
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URBZ going pro?
we Viking fans can only hope
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Is Rodgers that big of a D-Bag?I hear that occasionally,like those who know him are going on record
He's a packer
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I see you're not leaving that open for interpretation
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wonder if the packers call Jim? They can have him and Pep.
Promote Don Brown to HC and go hire someone to run an offense like the one Riley runs at OU.
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Crazy game tonight. Steelers dominate, but Chargers score a long TD on a missed false start that the ref specialist called a "firable offense," then off a deflection on what should have been an interception, but one Steeler took out another, then an 80 yard punt return. Steelers miss a PAT, Chargers covert 2 two point conversions, and Pittsburgh throws a red zone pick. And it's a game.
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I rarely don't regret staying up for SNF. This one was worth being tired in the morning for
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Is Rodgers that big of a D-Bag?I hear that occasionally,like those who know him are going on record
Yes - Rodgers is most certainly THAT big of a DBag. But in his case, unlike Suh, the NFL beat writers don’t set out in droves to point out every instance. Instead they golden-calf him.
Only Cowherd, Skip Bayless, and Mike Florio dare test Packers’ fan delusions of Mr Discout Doublecheck. All three have even gone so far as to speculate whether Rodgers poor recent play was intentioned to get McCarthy fired sooner rather than later.
How did it get this far? Well nothing is ever Aaron’s fault. It’s the running game, even though Jones is averaging over 5 yards a touch. Or it’s the defense even though they’re 3rd in sacks. Or it’s McCarthy so now he’s gone. And all this blaming only beholders the Packers franchise to the one guy who won’t take any responsibility.
Is it any wonder Rodgers is dating Danica Patrick, another sports figure known for refusing all blame?
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It smells like you burnt something
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Frankie better check your shorts,um short ribs
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I just meditate and make it go away
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Yes - Rodgers is most certainly THAT big of a DBag. But in his case, unlike Suh, the NFL beat writers don’t set out in droves to point out every instance. Instead they golden-calf him.
Only Cowherd, Skip Bayless, and Mike Florio dare test Packers’ fan delusions of Mr Discout Doublecheck. All three have even gone so far as to speculate whether Rodgers poor recent play was intentioned to get McCarthy fired sooner rather than later.
How did it get this far? Well nothing is ever Aaron’s fault. It’s the running game, even though Jones is averaging over 5 yards a touch. Or it’s the defense even though they’re 3rd in sacks. Or it’s McCarthy so now he’s gone. And all this blaming only beholders the Packers franchise to the one guy who won’t take any responsibility.
Is it any wonder Rodgers is dating Danica Patrick, another sports figure known for refusing all blame?
Agree 100%.
The guy is the ultimate finger pointer, pouter, front runner. He's one of the cockiest guys in history maybe. Lots of his former teammates don't like him or didn't like him at first. When he first met Brett Favre he called Favre grandpa. When he first met Charles Woodson after Woodson signed to the Packers, Rodgers said to him, What's up Chuck. Woodson told him don't you ever talk to me like that again. These are two of the greatest football players of all-time- and Rodgers who really hadn't done anything or been anyone at that point in time was talking to those guys like that. Just gives a little bit of an insight into what the guy thinks of himself. Greg Jennings also told a story how during a game with the 49ers I believe it was, one of the defenders and Jennings were kind of talking smack back and forth and Rodgers told the 49er defender you guys should sign Jennings next year. Jennings said he was irate and hurt that Rodgers- who he thought he was tight with- could say that.
Rodgers gets a pass for being the biggest D-bag in sports history. Jennings isn't the only former Packer who didn't like the guy. Lot of them didn't like him. Rodgers' own brother hates him.
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ALL Day, Baby!!!
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Rodgers gets a pass for being the biggest D-bag in sports history. Jennings isn't the only former Packer who didn't like the guy. Lot of them didn't like him. Rodgers' own brother hates him.
And with McCarthy gone the Packers’ll turn more and more into the Rodgers’ ego show. Rodgers publically wined about the talent and personnel management to the point the Packers reduced the role of the GM. He publically wined about the playcalling and game strategy until McCarthy was kicked to the curb yesterday. And still, as Xs&Os smart Packers fans are, the fanbase is generally clueless to how much ill-gotten power Rodgers has pillaged for himself.
The worst part about all this is that a new coach who works well with Rodgers won’t solve any of Rodgers based tension within the Packers organization. For as much as Rodgers pouted with McCarthy, he’ll be pouting and sulking all the more if even a small measure of credit for any newfound team success goes to the new coach and not entirely to him.
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And with McCarthy gone the Packers’ll turn more and more into the Rodgers’ ego show. Rodgers publically wined about the talent and personnel management to the point the Packers reduced the role of the GM. He publically wined about the playcalling and game strategy until McCarthy was kicked to the curb yesterday. And still, as Xs&Os smart Packers fans are, the fanbase is generally clueless to how much ill-gotten power Rodgers has pillaged for himself.
The worst part about all this is that a new coach who works well with Rodgers won’t solve any of Rodgers based tension within the Packers organization. For as much as Rodgers pouted with McCarthy, he’ll be pouting and sulking all the more if even a small measure of credit for any newfound team success goes to the new coach and not entirely to him.
Tell ya what it’s gonna be fascitinating to see who the Packers hire and how the relationship with Rodgers and the new coach would be. I’ve seen people in the media float Harbaugh and I’ve wondered that myself aloud on here. I think Jim would be great to turn that thing around. There’s not a better turnaround artist in football than Jim. Having said that it’d never happen in a million years. Have to think Rodgers would veto it and have to think the next coach will basically have to be a guy that Rodgers gives the OK to. Don’t see him giving the Ok to Jim. And even if he did- Rodgers would wind up hating Jim’s guts after 3 weeks. That marriage would last all of 15 minutes.
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Tell ya what it’s gonna be fascitinating to see who the Packers hire and how the relationship with Rodgers and the new coach would be.
After the Packers face planted to the Arizona Cardinals, birthday boy Aaron went home to a murder mystery party hosted by his girlfriend Danica. A murder mystery...is there any wonder who killed who that day? Was it really a mystery when we all know Aaron had just killed his coach?
https://nypost.com/2018/12/04/how-danica-patrick-helped-aaron-rodgers-deal-with-packers-turmoil/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://nypost.com/2018/12/04/how-danica-patrick-helped-aaron-rodgers-deal-with-packers-turmoil/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
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After the Packers face planted to the Arizona Cardinals, birthday boy Aaron went home to a murder mystery party hosted by his girlfriend Danica. A murder mystery...is there any wonder who killed who that day? Was it really a mystery when we all know Aaron had just killed his coach?
https://nypost.com/2018/12/04/how-danica-patrick-helped-aaron-rodgers-deal-with-packers-turmoil/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://nypost.com/2018/12/04/how-danica-patrick-helped-aaron-rodgers-deal-with-packers-turmoil/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
Jesus. Just clicked on the link and read the article and looked at the pic. Is there a bigger, unlikable, pretentious douchebag in all of sports? Ever? If there is, I'm just not seeing it.
This guy will never win another Super Bowl. He's not a leader. People always over look the intangibles, the it factor, the leadership gene. The leader of that Packers team and the guy in the locker room that every one followed the year they won the Super Bowl was Charles Woodson. Not Aaron Rodgers. Woodson has been gone and that team has been starving of leadership and the more and more stats and praise and tv commercials and celebrity that Rodgers has gotten the more it's went to his head. The guys in that locker room aren't robots. They're people. How the QB acts and treats them and motivates them and gets them to buy in and all on the same page matters. This is the single greatest difference between he and Brady, and what makes Brady the GOAT and Rodgers just a pretender for the crown.
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Jesus. Just clicked on the link and read the article and looked at the pic. Is there a bigger, unlikable, pretentious douchebag in all of sports? Ever? If there is, I'm just not seeing it.
This guy will never win another Super Bowl. He's not a leader. People always over look the intangibles, the it factor, the leadership gene. The leader of that Packers team and the guy in the locker room that every one followed the year they won the Super Bowl was Charles Woodson. Not Aaron Rodgers.
Speaking of leadership the Packers have fired longtime LB coach Winston Moss for tweeting the following: “Ponder this... what Championship teams have are great leadership! Period! It’s not the offensive guru trend, it’s not the safe trend. Find somebody that is going to hold #12 and everybody in this building to a #LombardiStandard (https://twitter.com/hashtag/LombardiStandard?src=hash)! Period! #losingsucks (https://twitter.com/hashtag/losingsucks?src=hash)!”
This is the toxic hold Rodgers now has on the Packers organization - and it’s only growing after Rodgers was allowed to play a part in reducing the role of the GM, McCarthy’s firing, and becoming the NFL’s highest paid QB - no one is allowed to criticize or even hold Rodgers to understood professional standards.
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also.. let's be honest. Not the smartest tweet to send unless you are looking to be fired.
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also.. let's be honest. Not the smartest tweet to send unless you are looking to be fired.
Don’t see how THAT tweet could get you fired. Sorry. The coach didn’t say anything offensive or crude. He only spoke the truth.
Rodgers is a little sensitive punk ass bitch who probably complained about the tweet and got the coach fired.
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Winston either had a good idea he was on his way out or simply wanted out because he didn't want to answer to Rogers
I like the tweet
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Rodgers is a little sensitive punk ass bitch who probably complained about the tweet and got the coach fired.
:043: You really need to come out of your shell.It's okay to speak your mind,don't hold back let it out
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Don’t see how THAT tweet could get you fired. Sorry. The coach didn’t say anything offensive or crude. He only spoke the truth.
Agree - a harmless tweet got Moss fired, likely because management worried how it might bruise wittle Aawon’s feewings. This is what I’ve been saying about Aaron having WAY too much increasing power within the Packers organization - because his runaway hold over the Packers was again evident during a locker room interview over McCarthy’s firing. Feigning cluelessness, Aaron actually answered that he was just as “shocked” as anyone else, especially by the “timing.” Dumbest off all Aaron hoped he’s “not the reason” for McCathy’s firing.
Aaron is ENTIRELY THE REASON for the firing of McCarthy (and Moss) and he can’t be so stupid to think you and I are too stupid to know otherwise! Which got me thinking, we outside of Wisconsin aren’t who he caters to. In this case Aaron’s power over fanbase and local media is such that he only has to cater to the fanbase, who having deified him years ago will agree with whatever he says as gospel fact. The Packers fanbase is complicit in enabling Aaron silent (and pouty) takeover of the Packers.
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Derrick Henry with the run of the year
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Derrick Henry with the run of the year
That was something special!
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It’s one thing for us Wisconsin outsiders to size up the unbalanced power struggle in Green Bay, but it says more when the local, beaten-into-submission beat writers start writing about it too. Packers beat writer Pete Dougherty has this to say about the coaching vacancy:
“One of the standard lines in the NFL is that there are only 32 head-coaching and GM jobs available, so they’re all good. But some rate higher than others, and after what’s happened happened with the Packers this season, their future Hall of Fame quarterbacknow cuts both ways.
Aaron Rodgers has had two sustained stretches of mediocre play in the last four years. The first was a 19-game run in 2015 and ‘16, when he put up an 8-11 record and 88.9 rating. The other has been this season’s 4-7-1 stretch with a 99.3 rating, which helped get Mike McCarthy fired Sunday night.
That’s something prospective candidates will at least have to investigate. Some might be wary of taking over a team with a 35-year-old quarterback thy hear is either difficult to work with, in decline or both.”
https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2018/12/06/dougherty-packers-job-attractive-but-cant-compete-browns/2229254002/ (https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2018/12/06/dougherty-packers-job-attractive-but-cant-compete-browns/2229254002/)
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It's crazy he's that old. He doesn't seem that old, but I think Brady is throwing the whole thing off. Guys like Rodgers and Roethlisberger are substantially younger than Brady, so it feels like they have a lot of time left, but really, they are where guys break down.
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It's crazy he's that old. He doesn't seem that old, but I think Brady is throwing the whole thing off. Guys like Rodgers and Roethlisberger are substantially younger than Brady, so it feels like they have a lot of time left, but really, they are where guys break down.
And I really think Rodgers and Big Ben are both starting to deteriorate. I'd bet they both have maybe 2-3 good years left before they fall off the cliff. Neither of those guys were ever as smart or disciplined or precise as guys like Brees or Brady. The athleticism and arm strength of Rodgers is what made him elite and the ability to get out on the move and make throws on the run is what really made him something special. The size and tackle breaking ability and ability to take the hits and hang in the pocket and hold the ball for a long time and make plays out of broken plays is what made Big Ben. When the arm strength and athleticism start to go- it affects guys like that A LOT more than it does guys like Brees or Brady.
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Patriots defense literally cost them a win vs Miami. Sitting at 9-4 instead of 10-3, all because of maybe the worst defensive effort and breakdown on a final play in a game that I've ever in the NFL.
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How passive-aggressive of Aaron Rodgers to post a 103 QBR in a route of the Falcons. Padding his stats back to MVP numbers so everyone knows his recent down play is McCarthy’s fault.
Anyway, watching Eagles-Cowboys. Zeke and Smith’s strong game from the Cowboys backfield aren’t hiding how limited Prescott’s play is. His passing doesn’t ever stretch a defense.
As for Wentz, he’s productive and dependable but not at all worth the hype - more Matt Ryan than Brady/Brees. Already today he’s missed seeing several instances of WRs wide open downfield.
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How passive-aggressive of Aaron Rodgers to post a 103 QBR in a route of the Falcons. Padding his stats back to MVP numbers so everyone knows his recent down play is McCarthy’s fault.
Anyway, watching Eagles-Cowboys. Zeke and Smith’s strong game from the Cowboys backfield aren’t hiding how limited Prescott’s play is. His passing doesn’t ever stretch a defense.
As for Wentz, he’s productive and dependable but not at all worth the hype - more Matt Ryan than Brady/Brees. Already today he’s not missed seeing several instances of WRs wide open downfield.
Dak is mediocre. Game manager. You can only win with him so much. I feel like his ceiling is a team making it to the NFC Chip. Never going to get to the Super Bowl or win it with him. IF the Cowboys give him a big contract it'd be a huge mistake. They should be trying to draft his replacement in this or the next draft.
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The dumb part about the Patriots is that wasn't even the defense out there, it was the hail Mary protect. Nobody thought they were going for the end zone there, but that was Gronk on the back line getting juked out of his socks as the last line of defense.
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Dak is mediocre. Game manager. You can only win with him so much. I feel like his ceiling is a team making it to the NFC Chip. Never going to get to the Super Bowl or win it with him. IF the Cowboys give him a big contract it'd be a huge mistake. They should be trying to draft his replacement in this or the next draft.
After both offenses spent most of the game constipated, a barnburner breaks out in Dallas with Dak tossing two long TD passes to Cooper for a 23-16 lead late. Dak has 361 yds passing, which to you point, marks the first time he’s passed for over 300.
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The dumb part about the Patriots is that wasn't even the defense out there, it was the hail Mary protect. Nobody thought they were going for the end zone there, but that was Gronk on the back line getting juked out of his socks as the last line of defense.
It was bad coaching by “the genius” as well.
Pats roster is absolute trash. Who picks the roster? The “genius” does that’s who. Speaking of Gronk- he is a complete shell of himself. The recievers stink. Eldeman hasn’t looked himself at all. They are desperately missing Amendola and Cooks.
Brady has carried this crap team to 9-4, should be 10-3. If they had any other QB including Rodgers they’d be a .500 team. Brady is just that good at leading and getting the best out of average talent and he’s the best QB I’ve ever seen at covering warts. Peyton Manning included.
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After both offenses spent most of the game constipated, a barnburner breaks out in Dallas with Dak tossing two long TD passes to Cooper for a 23-16 lead late. Dak has 361 yds passing, which to you point, marks the first time he’s passed for over 300.
Dak really shat the bed at the end of regulation by taking back to back sacks and pushing the Cowboys out of field goal range.
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And I really think Rodgers and Big Ben are both starting to deteriorate. I'd bet they both have maybe 2-3 good years left before they fall off the cliff. Neither of those guys were ever as smart or disciplined or precise as guys like Brees or Brady. The athleticism and arm strength of Rodgers is what made him elite and the ability to get out on the move and make throws on the run is what really made him something special. The size and tackle breaking ability and ability to take the hits and hang in the pocket and hold the ball for a long time and make plays out of broken plays is what made Big Ben. When the arm strength and athleticism start to go- it affects guys like that A LOT more than it does guys like Brees or Brady.
They've taken a lot more hard shots than Brees and Brady. However its hard to say how long QBs can last w/ the rule changes.
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Well N.E. & Pitt play next week.This should be fun based on how yesterday's games ended for the both of them
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Russell Wilson may have made the dumbest play since Jim Marshall ran the wrong way. Lucky the Vikings defender fell down.
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Wilson didn't have a great game, but Cousins isn't the $80 million dollar man
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Anyone could have told you that. Paying a QB is a death sentence. Cousins can't carry a roster gutted by his own salary. Wilson and the Seahawks stopped being great once they had to pay him. Same with Newton and the Seahawks. Brady and Brees seem to be the only QBs worth paying (maybe Roethlisberger), and Brady takes a discount because he isn't the breadwinner in his household, so the Patriots roster isn't as bad as it could be if he was taking market value. Mahomes is the next hot thing, but as soon as that rookie deal is up, well see what happens with the Chiefs.
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agreed, surprised Zimmer fell into that trap
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Because we occasionally need reminders that while ESPN fired all their journalists, they still pay Stephen A. Smith to talk for some reason
https://twitter.com/NFLRT/status/1073245736920342528
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Because we occasionally need reminders that while ESPN fired all their journalists, they still pay Stephen A. Smith to talk for some reason
Ya well he's got Ben Carson beating Bernie Sanders for the Presidency in '16.What's the old adage better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt :-[
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Stephen A doesn't even know basketball
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Break up the Browns!!!
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The Browns are entertaining if nothing else.
I like how Chubb and Chubb swapped jerseys after the game (which I did not watch, but saw the news on it).
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Vikings are full on imploding. Their first quarter was about as well as they've played all year, and since then, God awful. A pick six, allowing Tannehill to drive the length of the field on you, then giving up an 80 yard TD run.
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I'm not sure I've seen a team with as many non flagged obvious holdings than the Ravens today.
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Cowboys doing their thing. Just when you've bought in, they go and get shut out by Indy.
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The weather here is shit, but there are a lot of empty seats for Steelers-Patriots.
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Curious why it took six years for the Steelers to attack Brady? He's playing like shit. Pittsburgh had consistently sat back in zone and let him pick them apart.
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Steelers could not be doing more to hand this game to NE.
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They are doubling Gronk every play, and Brady looks lost like I've rarely seen him
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Congrats to the Bears on winning the NFC North for the first time since 2010.
For the second straight season the Packers will not make the playoffs. :)
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Meathead threw a ball at 2 steelers and it ended up in the hands of the Pats
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Princess Brady didn't like them calling the whole left side of his line moving, and responded by throwing a dipshit pick.
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After watching these 2 team the Chargers look like the best in the AFC, though they might have to go 3 times on the road in Jan to get to the SB.
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After watching these 2 team the Chargers look like the best in the AFC, though they might have to go 3 times on the road in Jan to get to the SB.
I think the AFC playoffs should be outstanding. Not sold on the Ravens, but the top 5 should all be great.
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Curious why it took six years for the Steelers to attack Brady? He's playing like shit. Pittsburgh had consistently sat back in zone and let him pick them apart.
Lol, until the final drive, at which they drop back and let him pick them apart.
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I think the AFC playoffs should be outstanding. Not sold on the Ravens, but the top 5 should all be great.
Likely division winners in the AFC are cooling off, the next 3 (Ravens, Colts, Chargers) are hot.
Ravens could upset someone in the Wild card, Jackson has given them a damn good running game and the D is good (Jackson commits too many turnovers to make a run tho). If the Titans don't get in the AFC will be free of bad teams in the playoffs.
NFC looks alright, Sea-Dal aren't great but that's a good game. The Vikings are trash.
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They are doubling Gronk every play, and Brady looks lost like I've rarely seen him
On paper their receiving corp looks good.But in reality they are banged up,long in the tooth and Josh Gordon.I saw at least 3 drops one of them by their resident Rasta Mon,just curious on how many wrong routes he's run
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On paper their receiving corp looks good.But in reality they are banged up,long in the tooth and Josh Gordon.I saw at least 3 drops one of them by their resident Rasta Mon,just curious on how many wrong routes he's run
Their WR corps is trash.
Gronk is finished. He’s all washed up and used up. It’s sad to watch.
Cordiale Patterson is a kick returner who has never been a WR.
Edelman doesn’t look like the same player. He missed all of last year with a knee injury and was suspended the first 4 games of this year because of PEDs. He’s dropping balls and doesn’t look like the same guy with elite quickness and a great 2nd gear.
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Saints may have already cut Tommylee Lewis.
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Josh Gordon stepping away from football.
I'm never going to write them off until they are done, but this feels different. Offense is a mess. Gronk looks used up. Brady is still very good, but he's no longer at the level where he can cover up for holes, I mean he is like 42. James White is not the weapon he was at the start of the year. Amendola doesn't look so good off the roids.
Our two decade national nightmare may finally be over...just as the Celtics are rising again, and the Red Sox remain on top. Ugh, Boston fans don't deserve Boston teams.
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Hope the LEAGUE sends him packing for good,priorities he has a smug sense of entitlement.Hope the weed was worth it
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(https://www.latimes.com/resizer/-CnURoTMkkncJWCkCQpnBpQqhPY=/1400x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/2Q6E4RYTO5CPFP2W5OEYCYXLAU.jpg)
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The Clowns swept the Bungles for the first time since 2002.
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I think Boswell was the happiest person in the stadium when JuJu fumbled
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And I was one of the happiest outside it
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https://twitter.com/CodyEndres1/status/1077934074319302656?s=19
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Aaron Rodgers exits Packers Vs Lions to undergo
evaluation for a concussion being done with the season three weeks ago.
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douche
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Aaron Rodgers exits Packers Vs Lions to undergo evaluation for a concussion being done with the season three weeks ago.
At least the Packers know how to properly tank. Lions lose all the time, until they need to. Glad they busted out that fake FG play. We couldn't win in Green Bay for anything for like two decades, and now when we need a loss, we blown them out.
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The Vikings are such trash that the Bears should tank the 2nd half. Yea the score is close in SEA-ARI but the seahawks should pull this out. So why risk playing the Eagles. Minny is arguably more talented than the Steelers too.
The Steelers are kind of trash right now too w/o AB.
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The Steelers are hot trash. 3 points against the worst defense in the NFL? I wonder if they are glad they didn't get locked into a bad long term RB contract, and wasted a third round pick on a 3rd string QB and wasted one of the last years of Ben missing the playoffs for the trade-off of being mediocre, instead of bad, three years from now.
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TD Browns. Mayfield for Steelers MVP
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As much as I love Conner, next to Fitz my favorite all time Pitt player and who is a very good NFL RB, they aren't the same w/o Bell.
Bell was (still is?) one of the best players in the league and the steelers could have locked him up for less than what Jarvis Landry is making. They probably aren't in this situtation if they signed him.
I loved the James Washington pick in round 2, I didn't understand Rudolph in round 3. I never thought Rudolph would make a servicable starter, at OSU he mostly just chucked it up to his uber-talented WRs.
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Russell on Cincinnati has consistently horrible technique.
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Bungles closer to a rec squad than an NFL team
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Lol, how did two refs call that a catch? Didn't get two feet in, and didn't actually, you know, catch the ball.
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the steelers don't deserve this but the Browns are playing their behinds off
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the vikings couldn't block the bears 2nd string
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Ravens punting, 2 min left.
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Mayfield earns his Clown shoes.
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LOL
Harbaugh beats team from Ohio
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Minor rant: Ravens hold on Cleveland to make the playoffs. They are properly exuberant and celebrate all over the field. If this was a college game, they'd be flagged 45 times, which is so, so stupid
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First Raven game I invested time in this year.
Glad I caught it.
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Vikings and specifically Kirk Cousins have so much to be embarrassed about. Losing with everything on the line at home to a Bears team going through the motions.
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Cousins was obviously not the bigtime QB the Vikings and others thought he could be
they took a shot and it did not work
unfortunately they are stuck with the guy for a few more seasons
and not much cap room to build an O-line
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Cousins was obviously not the bigtime QB the Vikings and others thought he could be
they took a shot and it did not work
unfortunately they are stuck with the guy for a few more seasons
and not much cap room to build an O-line
Admittedly I thought he was good (top 12ish) and would be even better now that he wasn't stuck on a dysfunctional team. He's now like 4-25 against winning teams.
Then again the Vikings are quite dysfunctional. Only 1 OL taken in the draft, they also drafted a kicker in the 5th round, he turned out to be kinda decent.....for the Raiders. How the heck can you not block the Bears 2nd string when your season depends on it?
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Vikings and specifically Kirk Cousins have so much to be embarrassed about. Losing with everything on the line at home to a Bears team going through the motions.
You really hate Cousins
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the Vikings were in the NFC champ game last season the the defense laid an egg vs the Eagles
one game away
the problem wasn't Keenum or Bradford - but Speilman didn't want to pay Keenum
problems were the O-line, corners, and Dalvin Cook went down
I understand not wanting to pay Keenum, but why pay Cousins? and the amount?
the O-line and cornerback issues were not addressed - the O-line got worse
Cousins obviously can't move in the pocket or run to extend plays. Terrible pocket presence and holds the ball. Fumbles went hit and throws picks when pressured
That type of statue QB needs a very good or great O-line
a poor match
add the poor offensive coordinator and you have a friggin mess
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You really hate Cousins
I don't hate Cousins, but I hate that Speilman gave him that $84 million
Cousins is a better than average QB, but he needs more protection than most QBs
bad match with the Viking's O-line
Viking's Offensive troubles aren't all Cousins' fault, but he has to share the blame
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Anyone who thought he was anything more than what he was, just a solid starter, was crazy. Vikings were idiots to pay him, but he would have been an idiot to turn them down. Not sure why they thought he could fix an offense with a terrible Dalvin Cook, who is never healthy, a bust in Rudolph, and one of the worst OL in the NFL
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The six highest paid QBs combined for 31 wins and zero playoff appearances this season.
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I don't hate Cousins, but I hate that Speilman gave him that $84 million
Cousins is a better than average QB, but he needs more protection than most QBs
bad match with the Viking's O-line
Viking's Offensive troubles aren't all Cousins' fault, but he has to share the blame
Its actually not an agreviously horrible contract. Its only 3 years. Garopollo got 28M/year and set the bar the QBs and Cousins was more accomplished than Jimmy G. With Minny's WRs (and Thelien signing a way below the market deal) he's still can be good if Minny fixes that OL.
Yes 28M is a lot but someone is going to throw 20M/year at Flacco (who is broken and doesn't even have a good arm anymore). Eli might get something like 2 years/40M too.
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fix the O-line #1 priority - guards are terrible - tackles aren't good
find a 3rd and 4th WR - Treadwell & Robinson are terrible
find a 2nd RB - Murray is bad
find a TE that can run - Rudolph has good hands, but can't get downfield or break a tackle
get an O-coordinator that can maximize Cousins
if they could address half those needs the offense would be dangerous
the defense still needs a corner or two, but it's not that bad - with an offense that put up points and gained field position and time of possession the defense would be fine
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Ouy, Gabbert. Can't make that mistake there. You can tell he's just a step slow reading the field.
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someone needs to do a through investigation into how the Titans got to 9 wins
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someone needs to do a through investigation into how the Titans got to 9 wins
They are solid at full strength, problem is their QB is made of glass.
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The six highest paid QBs combined for 31 wins and zero playoff appearances this season.
Gonna teach Cindy's grand kid to throw a spiral as soon as I get the smart phone out of his hands
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I knew the Browns couldn't handle a sniff of success.
Mike McCarthy?
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They didn't did they?
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There doesn't seem to be a bumper crop of good coaches/assistants out there. I'd wait to see if Tomlin is available.
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If Tomlin did get fired and I don't think that he is,he would probably sit back for a spell and enjoy some of that coin.Why jump back into the Tempest unless one is that uber competitive.There are rumors circulating that Browns GM John Dorsey is somehow close to Mike McCarthy.While Dorsey has done an excellent job so far I hope he doesn't start faffing things up.In McCarthy's defense GB doesn't appear to be stock piling a lot of young talent recently
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McCarthy is a quality coach
as a Viking fan, I'm glad he's gone
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Adam Gase out in Miami.
Loving in fantasy land, would love MSU to hire him as OC and coach in waiting for 2020. Would settle for Lions OC.
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Adam Gase out in Miami.
Loving in fantasy land, would love MSU to hire him as OC and coach in waiting for 2020. Would settle for Lions OC.
And that’s why Miami always sucks. They fire their coach every 3-4 years.
Dolphins should’ve fired that god awful QB, not the coach.
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Per Adam Schefter multiple NFL teams already contacted Gase about being HC. So much for that.
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Per Adam Schefter multiple NFL teams already contacted Gase about being HC. So much for that.
Cleveland would be a heckuva fit.
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Truth be told I'm not that familiar with him,maybe the worm turns and the Browns get lucky
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Matt Campbell won't meet w Jets . Lol.
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If Tomlin did get fired and I don't think that he is,he would probably sit back for a spell and enjoy some of that coin.Why jump back into the Tempest unless one is that uber competitive.There are rumors circulating that Browns GM John Dorsey is somehow close to Mike McCarthy.While Dorsey has done an excellent job so far I hope he doesn't start faffing things up.In McCarthy's defense GB doesn't appear to be stock piling a lot of young talent recently
Firing Tomlin would be turbodumb. For years he's made the personell dept look good by developing a lot of players and for years he's coached up a D consisting of other teams unwanteds. Yea he lost a more than few close games this year because they signed a kicker to a big contract who ended up sucking, that happens. But go ahead fanbase go find your next Belechick.
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I will say, he's a bad match to this lockerroom. Players don't respect him, and there are no players to command it. When you have Ward, Polamalu and the like, Tomlin works. With this bunch, not so much.
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I think the two Big Ten legends finally meet up in the Super Bowl, with the Saints beating the Patriots to give Brees his 2nd ring.
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Crappy playoff games.
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Crappy playoff games.
Seattle's kicker getting hurt has made this interesting. That 2pt conversion was huge, thought Dallas should have taken the safety.
The Texans, they just seemed lifeless. Plus don't know why they never bothered to run against just a 3 man line.
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Crappy playoff games.
If the Chargers keep botching holds and turning the ball over in their own red zone, Ravens MIGHT come back. Even the Texans think the Baltimore offense looks like crap.
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How do you miss the spot that badly? I think he was in, but if not, it's certainly not a full yard short.
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Kind of crap that they won't reverse when he was clearly in, but will reverse when clearly out
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How do you miss the spot that badly? I think he was in, but if not, it's certainly not a full yard short.
That screw up NEARLY really screwed the Chargers.
Think Baltimore can get a first down?
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Why is Harbaugh staying with Jackson? This is moronic
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Why is Harbaugh staying with Jackson? This is moronic
Two incompletions and a sack. Now with negative passing yards. Everyone but Harbaugh saw that coming.
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So the Ravens are putting all of their eggs in the basket of a freak athlete who can't pass and seems like he lacks an ounce of football intelligence? Seems like the future is bright in Baltimore.
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Since they basically legislated onside kicks out, I do like the idea of an onside kick just being the kicking teams ball, 4th and 15 from their own 35 and go from there.
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Chargers secondary going full moron here late. Just letting guys run free behind them all over the field. Not sure why they changed what they were doing.
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So the Ravens are putting all of their eggs in the basket of a freak athlete who can't pass and seems like he lacks an ounce of football intelligence? Seems like the future is bright in Baltimore.
/ looks at every QB that franchises ever had
Seems no worse than most of their other decisions at the position
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Good Lord, LA could not be making more dumb mistakes down the stretch. Russell Okung holds to keep Baltimore alive on a guy who had no chance to make a play.
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Well here we go
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That was anticlimactic
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Not sure I've ever seen a QB with 3 fumbles in a game.
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Not sure I've ever seen a QB with 3 fumbles in a game.
More common than you think. Appears it happens seven times this year.
Stafford has a five fumble game in 2013. Hats off to him.
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Game was blacked out here. Cable provider and CBS/affiliate have ongoing breakdown. Hilarious as the affiliate is running its own propaganda against the provider.
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More common than you think. Appears it happens seven times this year.
Stafford has a five fumble game in 2013. Hats off to him.
Wow, that's shocking. Surprised I don't remember that Stafford game.
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Philly going to Jeffries - about time
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Philly scores go up 16-15
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Think I'd kick here
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Damn Bears kicker made it but time called before the snap 10 seconds left. Hits the up right & cross bar - Philly wins
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After opening with a dud, pretty fun weekend. Hell of a lot better than the CFP
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Evidently Bears kicker hit the up rights 5 times this season.4th straight win for the Eagles
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I still consider myself a Bears fan although I’m not nearly as diehard about them as I used to be. Yesterday stung harder than I expected. Sometimes it seems as if sports were invented just to disappoint me personally. :'(
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Try following Cleveland Teams thru the years - even the Cubs century of bad luck ended against us
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anyone watching the No Fun League.NO-Philly getting good
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anyone watching the No Fun League.NO-Philly getting good
Finally getting a good game
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was a good game
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Patrick Mahomes is the first Big XII quarterback to win a playoff game, since the Big XII became a thing in 1996.
That's insane that it took 22 years for a QB from that pass happy conference to have a single postseason win.
For comparison, during that same time: the Pac 12 has had 14 QBs combine for 63 wins; the Big Ten has had 5 QBs combine for 48 wins; the SEC has had 7 combine for 30; the ACC has had 5 combine for 8. Even Conference USA, the MAC, the Mountain West; and the FCS CAA and Big West have had multiple QBs win postseason games.
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Patrick Mahomes is the first Big XII quarterback to win a playoff game, since the Big XII became a thing in 1996.
That's insane that it took 22 years for a QB from that pass happy conference to have a single postseason win.
Didn't know that great observation
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I credit the great Andy Reid
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Mmm. Big pass play from Brees to Ginn puts the Saints in great position at the 2:00 warning. I thought #20 (Joyner) had a great chance at a pick or at least to break it up. He made a really poor play on the ball.
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And now a big no call on a clear PI keeps the Rams alive.
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never saw an angle to see if the ball was past the WR when contact was made
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never saw an angle to see if the ball was past the WR when contact was made
Really? I thought the angle they kept showing from directly behind the WR clearly showed contact before the ball got there.
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the Saint's outperformed the Ram's pretty much the entire game, and still lose. wild.
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That DB no.23 for LA got away with Interference at the beginning of the 4th QTR.NFL has got to make some rule changes.Not saying NO would have won but the right call allows LA to run out of time.That referee FOX has on hand said he could have been called for going high also
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never saw an angle to see if the ball was past the WR when contact was made
The pass was still well on it’s way when the DB blew up the Saints WR. A hugely blown call by multiple officials from multiple viewpoints. This is the badly blown kind of call where people start asking “is the NFL fixed?”
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The pass was still well on it’s way when the DB blew up the Saints WR. A hugely blown call by multiple officials from multiple viewpoints. This is the badly blown kind of call where people start asking “is the NFL fixed?”
Fixed? It was a shit call, that benefitted a no name QB in a city with no fan base. I'm guessing Goodell would have rather had Brees in the Super Bowl, so fixed? No
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I have no idea if Edelman touched that ball. They can’t overturn that.
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Patriots are too filled with roids to feel the sensation of touch
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The pass was still well on it’s way when the DB blew up the Saints WR. A hugely blown call by multiple officials from multiple viewpoints. This is the badly blown kind of call where people start asking “is the NFL fixed?”
Is there ever a circumstance when a key bad call late in the game can’t be attributed to game fixing? Do the refs ever just legitimately make mistakes late in games?
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There just isn’t enough to overturn that, imo.
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I don't believe that's a touch but how could anyone guarantee the opposite on review and overturn it? So it's the wrong call but is acceptable and will stand
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That surprises me. I saw nothing conclusive.
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Wow
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Shocker, NFL helping the Pats again. I'm sure they'll delete the tape again too
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Ball don't lie cheaters
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Doesn’t matter now. Wow.
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Shocker, NFL helping the Pats again. I'm sure they'll delete the tape again too
I preferred your last post about "fixing." Here, i thought it was the right call for the wrong reason. That the end result is what the field call should have been (albeit, a reasonable mistake in real time). Overturning it was within the range of reasonable but not per the letter of the law. Shouldn't have been done. So that's a failure of protocol but an innocent human one.
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Patriots getting every break.
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Tony Romo is the best color guy ever at telling you what is about to happen.
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Patriots getting every break.
That fake foul hitting Brady high (was it roughing or a facemask call?) was bad. The arm was close to a facemask but a facemask jerk is characteristic, here it was obviously absent, andrefs have to do better than that on this stage.
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If you leave one guy open, maybe not the guy too roided out to even know where he is?
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Tony Romo is the best color guy ever at telling you what is about to happen.
I hated Tony as a player for the cowgirls
really think he's a very good color guy in the booth
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That fake foul hitting Brady high (was it roughing or a facemask call?) was bad. The arm was close to a facemask but a facemask jerk is characteristic, here it was obviously absent, andrefs have to do better than that on this stage.
that was obviously a bad call, but that's the only call I thought was bad
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I have no idea if Edelman touched that ball. They can’t overturn that.
Edelman did NOT touch the punt, I knew it before it went to commercial
easy call
they had all the angles
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Tony Romo is the best color guy ever at telling you what is about to happen.
If you mean he talks so much and mentions the scenarios he knows then yes
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I also seem to be able to guess what is about to happen, some of the time
No Fun League is fairly predictable
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Fixed? It was a shit call, that benefitted a no name QB in a city with no fan base. I'm guessing Goodell would have rather had Brees in the Super Bowl, so fixed? No
True. The DB openly said he interfered on purpose to save a TD, then poses for twitter holding a ref jersey.
I am not into any “fix is in” conspiracies- I think they are misguided. But- that was one huge missed call where none of the zebras called it and the NFL quickly called it missed call. It just turned out to almost certainly cost the Saints a trip to the big dance. I feel very bad for them.
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The shame of it is the technology has been there.The NoFunLeague needs to move from it's archaic/draconian rules & measures
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That's why the call them the Ain'ts.
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That's why the call the the Ain'ts.
Were you over served last nite BB?You ain't passed English spelling,composition & grammar or need a pair of glasses (https://www.cfb51.com/Smileys/fantasticsmileys/grin.gif)
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You don’t want PI’s reviewed. Yeah, last night was obvious but many of them aren’t and if you start opening them to review you are going to have the booth overturn an iffy one and piss off a fanbase as bad as the Saints are today.
Besides any of that, after the PI the Saints allowed the Rams to get in FG position and tie it. Then the Saints win the toss in OT, turn it over, and then allow the Rams to move into game winning FG position.
It was a missed call, no doubt. But I can’t pin 65 minutes of football on that one call.
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Worst call of the week end IMO was the roughing call on the Chiefs D-Lineman coming over the top that was a clean play and should've been reviewed.Or not called in the 1st place
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You don’t want PI’s reviewed.
Everything should be reviewable including referee calls.Both teams should be able to contest 1 call or ruling a Qtr.This isn't a witch hunt on refs,it's simply accepting the fact that they need help coming up with the correct ruling.They have discussed this ad nauseam on many of the call ins.Dan Patricks show did a great segment on it
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Everything should be reviewable including referee calls.Both teams should be able to contest 1 call or ruling a Qtr.This isn't a witch hunt on refs,it's simply accepting the fact that they need help coming up with the correct ruling.They have discussed this ad nauseam on many of the call ins.Dan Patricks show did a great segment on it
Some calls you just live with the ref’s judgment. A lot of times a PI or a hold is in the eye beholder (no pun intended, LOL).
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Not buying just live with it so many games have been changed by PI calls - If we want true champions then we need true calls.Not "well we can't review it even though it's wrong" mentality which was wrong when it was implemented.Chris Collinsworth brought this up in length on the DP Show this morning.A contesting call flag should be thrown if applicable.Just look at how many times Edelman's attempted punt reception was reviewed and by how many different angles?Too many times good squads have walked off the field defeated by polluted views from well meaning refs.
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Not buying just live with it so many games have been changed by PI calls - If we want true champions then we need true calls.Not "well we can't review it even though it's wrong" mentality which was wrong when it was implemented.Chris Collinsworth brought this up in length on the DP Show this morning.A contesting call flag should be thrown if applicable.Just look at how many times Edelman's attempted punt reception was reviewed and by how many different angles?Too many times good squads have walked off the field defeated by polluted views from well meaning refs.
Reviewing PI’s would just mean teams walking off the field defeated from well meaning booth reviews. Precious few calls/non calls on a PI are as cut and dried as that. Many PI’s are the equivalent of a block/charge in basketball. 10 people can watch it and 5 will call PI and 5 won’t.
Would it have helped on that one play yesterday? Yeah, absolutely. But over the long run there would be just as much controversy with plays getting reversed as there was yesterday. It wouldn’t be fixing a problem. It would just be trading one set of problems for another.
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Simple if not enough evidence the call stands.Let's get into the 21st century or do you need to see the Barber for a good blood letting - leaches usually :13:
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Simple if not enough evidence the call stands.Let's get into the 21st century or do you need to see the Barber for a good blood letting - leaches usually :13:
Simple? Lol. Who decides what is simple? My whole point was 5 people may think enough evidence exists to overturn a call and 5 don’t. Keep in mind what you are advocating for is reviewing a play in which no flag was thrown in hopes of getting a flag thrown. So, where does that slope stop getting slippery?
It wouldn’t take long that every time a team scored a GW TD late in the game an opposing coach would throw a challenge flag out on the field in hopes of getting a flag thrown somewhere on someone to negate the play. Same thing would happen if defenses made key stops late in games.
Challenge flags would become the equivalent of a Hail Mary. You throw one out there and pray for the best.
“I think the LT was holding.”
“I think the CB interfered.”
“I think there was hands to the face on their Guard.”
“I think there was head to head contact by their LB.”
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I can't think of anything I want less than more reviews.
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The CFL started reviewing pass interference, and it made the product absolutely unwatchable (insert joke about it already being unwatchable). I think they finally relented and quit reviewing it iirc.
It was kind of OSU's fault, as a non call on a blatant PI involving a pass from Troy Smith to Duron Carter that screwed Montreal out of advancing in the Playoffs was the catalyst for the change.
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I'd rather have better refs and fewer reviews
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Tony Romo is the best color guy ever at telling you what is about to happen.
He can be a little too excited, a tad overcaffeinated at times, but he’s become the best thing about color commentators: You know it’s a big game when he’s calling it.
https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/01/21/tony-romo-was-biggest-star-of-the-afc-championship-game (https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/01/21/tony-romo-was-biggest-star-of-the-afc-championship-game)
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Simple? Lol. Who decides what is simple? My whole point was 5 people may think enough evidence exists to overturn a call and 5 don’t.
I understand what your saying but it wasn't 5 saying one thing or 5 saying another.The whole country watched a receiver get waxed and obviously before the ball arrived.It didn't help that same Rams DB(Robey-Coleman) at the very beginning of the QTR got away with molesting Ted Ginn https://youtu.be/Pd7eEFYG7tw?t=193 .Blatant mugging and the 1st thing he did was look around for flags.Remember I'm talking about using an allotted challenge flag to do so.You watch he won't get away with that in the next game
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He can be a little too excited, a tad overcaffeinated at times, but he’s become the best thing about color commentators: You know it’s a big game when he’s calling it.
https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/01/21/tony-romo-was-biggest-star-of-the-afc-championship-game (https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/01/21/tony-romo-was-biggest-star-of-the-afc-championship-game)
It's almost like he's attempting to wrestle attention away from the contest.To eager to share every aspect what he's learned under center.IMO he should dial it back instead of barking like an auctioneer
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I understand what your saying but it wasn't 5 saying one thing or 5 saying another.The whole country watched a receiver get waxed and obviously before the ball arrived.It didn't help that same Rams DB(Robey-Coleman) at the very beginning of the QTR got away with molesting Ted Ginn.Blatant mugging and the 1st thing he did was look around for flags.Remember I'm talking about using an allotted challenge flag to do so.You watch he won't get away with that in the next game
And my point is they aren’t going to issue challenge flags with a caveat they only be for “obvious” missed calls. What’s obvious to me may not be to you and vice versa. That play yesterday is the exception not the rule. When you are thinking about adopting that rule that’s the play that is popping in your head. Something really egregious.
The plays that are popping in my head are a WR and DB hand fight down the field on a deep pass. A coach throws a challenge flag hoping to get a PI. The booth reviews and decides, yeah, in his opinion that was PI. I don’t want that.
I also don’t want every big scoring play at the end of a game ending with a challenge flag being thrown on the field. And that is exactly what would happen. Any coach on the verge of losing a game on a play would throw the challenge flag hoping against hope to challenge something to negate the play.
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It's almost like he's attempting to wrestle attention away from the contest.To eager to share every aspect what he's learned under center.IMO he should dial it back instead of barking like an auctioneer
every announcer I hear should dial it back. The difference with Tony is that he knows what he's talking about and it's usually relevant to the situation.
I do agree that it's TV, there's plenty of video, the need for incessant audio is lacking. They should all dial it back. Hell, the best radio guys pause and allow the sounds from the field tell the story
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I might be in the minority, but I think Romo does a great job calling games. I enjoy his excitement and how his perspective pre-snap. I don't feel like Romo is trying to steal the spot light but rather is a fan of what is going on... that is how it comes across to me.
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I might be in the minority, but I think Romo does a great job calling games. I enjoy his excitement and how his perspective pre-snap. I don't feel like Romo is trying to steal the spot light but rather is a fan of what is going on... that is how it comes across to me.
This thread is the first place I've seen where someone didn't love him.
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And my point is they aren’t going to issue challenge flags with a caveat they only be for “obvious” missed calls. What’s obvious to me may not be to you and vice versa. That play yesterday is the exception not the rule. When you are thinking about adopting that rule that’s the play that is popping in your head.
Mike Florio/Chris Simms on Pro Football Talk,Cornheiser/Wilbon on PTI both programs recommended/directed at the NFL failed attempt to correct flawed officiating.They made it sound like a bag of rats in a burning meth lab.This subject isn't something that popped into my imagination.All 4 men(as do I) said NO effectively got jobbed right the hell out of the Title Game.Cornheiser called it the worst no call he's ever seen.Wilbon wasn't even that flattering.So you see men who've watched & covered more football than you and I think it's a shit sandwich.And can be corrected.Hell if you were watching live on Fox their in house official they go to for explanations flat out said the Rams DB could have been called for targeting also.They also brought up the blatantly bad call on the Chiefs Lineman who got called for roughing for getting hand on Brady's shoulder pad.
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I might be in the minority, but I think Romo does a great job calling games. I enjoy his excitement and how his perspective pre-snap. I don't feel like Romo is trying to steal the spot light but rather is a fan of what is going on... that is how it comes across to me.
he's head and shoulders above the rest
and refreshing
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I agree the poor officiating is a problem
but, I'd rather find another solution besides more coaches flags and more replays
why not pay the refs 1 or 2 million a season to work 17 weeks, then another million to the best squads to do the playoffs and super bowl
make it a full time job with $$$ incentive to grade out the best.
Also firing or fining the knuckleheads that make mistakes and blow calls
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I might be in the minority, but I think Romo does a great job calling games. I enjoy his excitement and how his perspective pre-snap. I don't feel like Romo is trying to steal the spot light but rather is a fan of what is going on... that is how it comes across to me.
I felt Tony brought a ton of genuine enthusiasm, and no discernible ego tied up in it. Maybe that will develop later, but for now he brings a sense of joy into the booth that is sorely lacking.
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Mike Florio/Chris Simms on Pro Football Talk,Cornheiser/Wilbon on PTI both programs recommended/directed at the NFL failed attempt to correct flawed officiating.They made it sound like a bag of rats in a burning meth lab.This subject isn't something that popped into my imagination.All 4 men(as do I) said NO effectively got jobbed right the hell out of the Title Game.Cornheiser called it the worst no call he's ever seen.Wilbon wasn't even that flattering.So you see men who've watched & covered more football than you and I think it's a shit sandwich.And can be corrected.Hell if you were watching live on Fox their in house official they go to for explanations flat out said the Rams DB could have been called for targeting also.They also brought up the blatantly bad call on the Chiefs Lineman who got called for roughing for getting hand on Brady's shoulder pad.
Yeah, everybody agrees yesterday that it was a blown call. No one is debating that. What we are debating is what should be done and the ramifications of changing challenge rules.
I explained in as much detail as I could what I felt the consequences could be in changing the rules. Your response was to ignore those points and tell me guys on tv also thought the rules needed changed.
I love how the media is treated with contempt until they agree with someone on an issue and then their opinions are put on a pedestal. I’d love to debate all those guys on the issue. But being on tv doesn’t elevate their opinion to me in the slightest.
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I think Romo is great. When Brady audibled on the short yardage play and ran a play to the right just like Romo said he would I just started laughing.
He diagnoses plays better than anyone I’ve ever seen. Spielmann is great at that too.
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I explained in as much detail as I could what I felt the consequences could be in changing the rules. Your response was to ignore those points and tell me guys on tv also thought the rules needed changed.
Done patting yourself on the back,you pretty much ignored,misunderstood or blew past the points I was attempting to make.Scott Van Pelt last nite said what the others panned.That A)One of the best 2 Teams in football is sitting (but hey you have no problem with that),And B)they already have a system and technology in place to remedy the situation.The subject matter hardly just started coming up in last week.There would be a flag for every quarter or 2 a half - not deep stuff.In a nutshell collectively EVERYTHING should be reviewable and contestable.Hard to see where you are having a problem with this or making me the object of your confusion.Is the concept of reviewing any play just a little too complex?Happy New Year
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Done patting yourself on the back,you pretty much ignored,misunderstood or blew past the points I was attempting to make.Scott Van Pelt last nite said what the others panned.That A)One of the best 2 Teams in football is sitting (but hey you have no problem with that),And B)they already have a system and technology in place to remedy the situation.The subject matter hardly just started coming up in last week.There would be a flag for every quarter or 2 a half - not deep stuff.In a nutshell collectively EVERYTHING should be reviewable and contestable.Hard to see where you are having a problem with this or making me the object of your confusion.Is the concept of reviewing any play just a little too complex?Happy New Year
My God man, yes I understand what you are saying. For whatever reason you don’t seem to grasp what I’m saying. I know you want to be able to review every call. I understand the parameters you are suggesting (two challenges per half). I understand the Saints were a victim of a very bad call Sunday. I understand all of that.
What I have painstakingly tried to do is express what I feel the drawbacks would be if those changes went into effect. Slippery slopes, unintentional consequences, coaches throwing challenging flags in hopes of finding anything to negate a big play for the other team. You haven’t addressed those points or offered a counter to anything I’ve said. You just keep saying how many guys on tv think a change should be made. I don’t care what they think because they aren’t addressing the downside of changing the rules either and I do think there would be a downside.
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I think Romo is great. When Brady audibled on the short yardage play and ran a play to the right just like Romo said he would I just started laughing.
He diagnoses plays better than anyone I’ve ever seen. Spielmann is great at that too.
hah, when Tony gets a big head from all the TV love and loses his sparkle, perhaps he can catch on as a defensive coach
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The only thing you've stated with any degree of accuracy is "What’s obvious to me may not be to you and vice versa".That we can agree on.There were other "obvious missed calls" and "exceptions to the rule" that were noticed by others and not just this poor misguided skragg.You stated "also don’t want every big scoring play at the end of a game ending with a challenge flag being thrown on the field. And that is exactly what would happen".Well I disagree because the amount of bad angles and judgements that follow flourish all game long.A missed call in the 1st Qtr in the end will have the same effect on the game as one missed in the 4th.People forget this while reaching for another beer
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all scoring plays are reviewed now
not just big plays or plays at the end
too many reviews
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all scoring plays are reviewed now
not just big plays or plays at the end
too many reviews
Yeah, scoring plays are reviewed now to see things like if the ball crossed the plane, was the ball carrier down, was the it a catch, etc.
What Nubbz is suggesting is coaches be given two challenges per half to challenge EVERYTHING. And that includes if a flag was erroneously thrown or not thrown. I think that would open up a big can of worms. So, if a team gives up a big play the coach can throw the challenge flag and basically challenge anything he wants in hopes of negating the play. He doesn’t even have to have a strong conviction about what he’s challenging. He can just throw something against the wall and hope it sticks.
When Ryen Russillo was on ESPN Radio on more than one occasion he referenced Mike Tice frequently trying to use challenges like this because he didn’t have a firm grasp on the challenge rules anyway. If a team made a big play against the Vikings Tice was known to ask an official or another coach, “What can I challenge on that?”
I can envision scenarios where a coach throws out a challenge flag and when the official asks what he’s challenging saying, “I don’t know yet” as he has people upstairs furiously looking at replays to search for infractions.
Besides any of that penalties like PI’s and holds are highly subjective anyway. Coaches wouldn’t necessarily be seeking to get the call right as much as they would just be seeking a second opinion with the replay official’s opinion always being the one that trumps all.
I also think it creates a bunch of slippery slope scenarios. What if the rule were already in place when PI in the Saints game had occurred and Sean Payton were out of challenges? Then the outcry would be that coaches really shouldn’t just be limited to two. It should be 3, or 5, or even unlimited. What if the coach challenged a left tackle holding but on review the whole country saw the center with a clear hands to the face infraction but replay couldn’t change that because it wasn’t what the coach specificed he wanted reviewed? Then the outcry would be if the replay official notices any infraction on review he has carte blanche to change anything he sees fit.
I just think it’s a massive overreaction and would create its own set of problems.
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IMO, there are too many reviews and challenges now
add another zebra or two running around with their eyeballs, but don't stop the game for more than 30 seconds
TV timeouts to run 2 minutes of advertising cause me to drink too much beer
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Yeah, scoring plays are reviewed now to see things like if the ball crossed the plane, was the ball carrier down, was the it a catch, etc.
What Nubbz is suggesting is coaches be given two challenges per half to challenge EVERYTHING.
There's the problem I said ANYTHING(sans the coin flip),not everything,big difference.It's obvious the officials have needed the help available that hasn't been implemented.This cud has been chewed for a long time.Again by people who've watched at least much football as you and I and get paid to do so.There's just too much on the line - money,efforts,time with the tools present for a quick fix.In 1979 the AFC title game the Houston Oilers got screwed out of a TD in Pittsburgh that sends them to the Super Bowl.Think it was Pastorini to Carpenter both feet in yet the Zebras said no.Oh ya they had replay back then.Yet here we are 40 yrs later and abysmal calls are still faffing up what could be a better product.That's some pioneering improvement over 4 decades right there - said no one ever
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last thing the NFL needs is more game stoppage and reviews. Uh, no thanks. Only thing the NFL might need to change is the OT format. It's not fair. Play the entire 15 mins QTR or go the college route imo.
New Orleans got jobbed but they still had opportunities to win that game after that no-call and they blew them all. Sean Payton once again beating himself by trying to show everyone how smart he is. RUN THE DAMN BALL. Burn clock. Make them use their TOs.
To the people crying about the refs helping the Patriots, please. The overturn on Eldeman punt muff was a close one, but when they reviewed all the different angles live on tv, sure looked like he never touched it miraculously. Didn't even matter because the very next play Butterfingers Eldeman let a ball that hit him in two hands slip through his fingers and fly into the air and get intercepted.
As for the phantom roughing the passer, yes that call was bullshit, but the Chiefs actually got off lucky on that one- because Eldeman was CLEARLY pass interfered with as the Chiefs DB virtually had Eldemen in a headlock on that play. That PI would've been much longer than 15 yards. If anything the Patriots got jobbed with the calls most of that game imo. Patriots DB's got called for every freaking PI and defensive holding under the sun. They couldn't even sneeze near the Chiefs receivers or they'd get a call. Kansas City on the other hand got away with blatant holding and PI on New England receivers all game long. All game long. Was one even called on KC? Cause I don't remember it. Eric Berry was basically riding Gronkowski's back like he was on a roller coaster all game long and didn't get called once.
Flat out, the better team won. Kansas City has scary offensive firepower and their young QB is already great, but man does their defense really just suck. Their LB's are scrubs and their secondary is trash. New England doesn't have as good of personnel- because KC has some elite pass rushers and Eric Berry when healthy and not holding like a bitch is as a great a safety as there is in the league- but New England plays within their scheme better and doesn't make nearly as many stupid plays on defense.
Brady with another virtuoso performance late to seal the win. Really what else can you say. Dude really is the baddest mf'er on the planet like he said. He has moved beyond Jordan to me. He is the greatest athlete in American sports history in my opinion.
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There's the problem I said ANYTHING(sans the coin flip),not everything,big difference.It's obvious the officials have needed the help available that hasn't been implemented.This cud has been chewed for a long time.Again by people who've watched at least much football as you and I and get paid to do so.There's just too much on the line - money,efforts,time with the tools present for a quick fix.In 1979 the AFC title game the Houston Oilers got screwed out of a TD in Pittsburgh that sends them to the Super Bowl.Think it was Pastorini to Carpenter both feet in yet the Zebras said no.Oh ya they had replay back then.Yet here we are 40 yrs later and abysmal calls are still faffing up what could be a better product.That's some pioneering improvement over 4 decades right there - said no one ever
The anything/everything wording is semantics. I am fully aware you aren’t saying a coach can literally ask the booth to look at everything on a given play.
Look, I’m not suggesting your proposal would have no positive effects. Calls like the missed PI in the Saints game could be rectified and that’s a good thing. But you have to weigh the potential pros and the potential cons and, for me, there are enough potential cons that I wouldn’t change the review rule.
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TV timeouts to run 2 minutes of advertising cause me to drink too much beer
Every cloud has a silver lining.
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The anything/everything wording is semantics. I am fully aware you aren’t saying a coach can literally ask the booth to look at everything on a given play.
Look, I’m not suggesting your proposal would have no positive effects. Calls like the missed PI in the Saints game could be rectified and that’s a good thing. But you have to weigh the potential pros and the potential cons and, for me, there are enough potential cons that I wouldn’t change the review rule.
It's not semantics and I'm flattered that you think it's my proposal.Afore mentioned analysts/reporters/announcers have bandyied about those concepts on their programs for quite some time.Look I have a lawn to mow,leaves to rake,gutters to clean,storm windows to install,oil to change and beer to drink - i don't want the games dragging on any longer either.But the abhorrent exceptions being made because that's just the way it's always been really needs to go away.The quicker the better
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As for the phantom roughing the passer, yes that call was bullshit, but the Chiefs actually got off lucky on that one- because Eldeman was CLEARLY pass interfered with as the Chiefs DB virtually had Eldemen in a headlock on that play. That PI would've been much longer than 15 yards. If anything the Patriots got jobbed with the calls most of that game imo. Patriots DB's got called for every freaking PI and defensive holding under the sun. They couldn't even sneeze near the Chiefs receivers or they'd get a call. K
Sorry MDoT but if you're looking for sympathy for NE DB's - it's between shit & syphilis.Thru the years Belichicks boys would have got arrested outside of the stadium for the shakedowns inside.The '04 AFC CG vs Manning and the colts - it really was criminal - and it was a topic at the time.And Edelman has made some fine catches.All the guys you were blasting to hell 5-6 weeks ago have come to life.But at the time I didn't think you were wrong either.IMO the Chiefs were the only team that could take the Patriots down.Hey maybe the the Rams can get some payback for 17 yrs ago
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New Orleans got jobbed but they still had opportunities to win that game after that no-call and they blew them all. Sean Payton once again beating himself by trying to show everyone how smart he is. RUN THE DAMN BALL. Burn clock. Make them use their TOs.
To the people crying about the refs helping the Patriots, please
We were saying the same thing what the hell was Payton/Brees thinking.Had They used their heads even if they fumbled the ball away there would have been precious little time and a long way to go for LA.
And the roughing call on Brady was total horse shyt.Chiefs Lineman goes over the top and get a hand on Brady's left shoulder - and they call roughing,that sustained at drive that NE scored on.Like Michael Wilbon said they better not have a cold because if he's even sneezed on the flag's coming out
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Brady with another virtuoso performance late to seal the win. Really what else can you say. Dude really is the baddest mf'er on the planet like he said. He has moved beyond Jordan to me. He is the greatest athlete in American sports history in my opinion.
Ya even though it was vs a very porous Chiefs Defense,he makes it look easy.I think the country would have been shocked had he not scored inside of 2 minutes.Gotta give BB some props - he has a way of keeping opponents on their heels,squeezing as much productivity out of marginal talent as possible and finding usable pieces on the trash heep & free agent wire.When you consider the NFL is set up to pretty much avoid prolonged dynasties their run is impressive
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Regarding OT, I'd be pretty pleased if both the NFL and CFB met in the middle. Not because I need them to be the same, but because both suck in opposite ways. Give both teams a try, but do it from outside FG range. Winning a coin flip is a terrible way to end a game. And starting any closer than the 50-yl is inane.
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And the roughing call on Brady was total horse shyt.Chiefs Lineman goes over the top and get a hand on Brady's left shoulder - and they call roughing,that sustained at drive that NE scored on.Like Michael Wilbon said they better not have a cold because if he's even sneezed on the flag's coming out
In the aftermath of that game, I read something very surprising. Obviously the concern with a call that bad is that the NFL has it in for NE. But a strong counter to it that many people haven't noticed is that Brady has only benefited from 4(!!) such calls since 2009. Not a typo. And since that occurred over more than 1,000 snaps ago, it's nowhere near the level necessary for this conspiracy theory.
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I dunno who keeps that type of stat.The Browns 5 yrs back certainly got jobbed by the NE favoritism - serious.Did you see that play?How is a whistle or flag reached for on an obviously clean play.Have no idea which game that official was watching.That was 3rd down and kept the drive going
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"It was a terrible call. I'd also point out that it's the fourth time Brady has benefited from a roughing the passer call in 1,002 postseason dropbacks since returning from his torn ACL in 2009, which is one penalty for every 250.5 dropbacks."
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25813279/inside-16-crucial-plays-2018-nfl-conference-championship-games
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There's also this, using different numbers to
Address a similar question:
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Fact check: You can't touch Brady without being flagged"
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25787154/fact-checking-patriots-18-year-nfl-dynasty-real-myth
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There's also this, using different numbers to
Address a similar question:
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Fact check: You can't touch Brady without being flagged"
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25787154/fact-checking-patriots-18-year-nfl-dynasty-real-myth
This is a better argument. The other one lacks context, because Brady is so damn good at getting the ball out. I like here where they provide calls per pressures.
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Agreed
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Good article the 2003-04 Playoffs were a real thing,there was a lot of baying at the moon and it didn't come from just Colts fans.That season NE were breaking rules,because they didn't get flagged - it doesn't show in stats - that was rub - AT THAT TIME.
I've watched Brady get woodshedded by very good Seattle/Denver defenses.Yet he stood in the pocket,took a beating didn't complain and almost delivered against obviously more talented squads,he has my respect.Just keep him away from checking ball pressure ;D.There should be more flags thrown on defenses that pile dive QBs after the ball is dumped.Noticed they manage to side step the punter under similar bang-bang situations.Prolly has something to do with 15yds and automatic 1st downs
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I think Romo is great. When Brady audibled on the short yardage play and ran a play to the right just like Romo said he would I just started laughing.
He diagnoses plays better than anyone I’ve ever seen. Spielmann is great at that too.
Chiefs fired their DC. I guess local radio was livid that Romo could call out what Brady was doing but the Chiefs could not....
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Chiefs fired their DC. I guess local radio was livid that Romo could call out what Brady was doing but the Chiefs could not....
Romo played the position at a very high level. He really doesn't get the credit he deserves. He was a hell of a QB. Yes, he didn't win any Championships, but that's more on Jerry Jones than it is on Tony Romo imo. Look at Romo's #'s vs Troy Aikman's. His #'s dwarf Aikman's. Yeah, I know, different era- but Tony also never had a back like Emmitt Smith or a WR like Michael Irvin. He had an older TO for a few years, and then Dez Bryant and that's really it. Dez was great for a few years but the guy was a one trick pony. Very good at that trick albeit- but once his physical skills started to go he was finished because he didn't know how to run routes and he always had drop issues. Michael Irvin? One of the greatest route runners and surest handed receivers this game has ever seen.
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Sorry MDoT but if you're looking for sympathy for NE DB's - it's between shit & syphilis.Thru the years Belichicks boys would have got arrested outside of the stadium for the shakedowns inside.The '04 AFC CG vs Manning and the colts - it really was criminal - and it was a topic at the time.And Edelman has made some fine catches.All the guys you were blasting to hell 5-6 weeks ago have come to life.But at the time I didn't think you were wrong either.IMO the Chiefs were the only team that could take the Patriots down.Hey maybe the the Rams can get some payback for 17 yrs ago
Not looking for sympathy for anyone. I just want a fair game called in any game, regardless of who is playing. It was a total BS call on Jones, that was definitely NOT roughing. But on that very same play Julian Edelman was put in a headlock by the Chiefs DB and there was no flag. Eric Berry was basically jumping on Gronk's back the entire game and riding him like a mule. He wasn't called once. So I don't want to hear anything from Chiefs fans or Patriots haters about the refs. KC more times than not got the benefit when it came to the refs.
And Andy Reid is a lying whiner. The refs don't tell the DL's and warn them when they line up a yard off-sides. If a DL is a little over and the refs didn't catch it they'll warn him after that play is over to stay back. But no ref ever in the history of the game tells a DL that's lined up a yard off-sides to get back. Just doesn't happen. People making excuses about that and saying the Pats were lucky. Like, give me a break. That's not luck. Dee Ford is an idiot who should know better. He was lined up almost a yard off-sides.
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Edelman got it once for sure but Gronk was hardly hogtied,ham-stringed the whole time.Seemed he split the seems and shook free quite a bit.for a guy that was pronounced pretty broken down by you a month ago ;D....and me.I have no idea what Andy Reid lied about or the off sides call which i didn't see
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The offsides negated a KC interception of Brady. Dee Ford was over the line. It was an enormous penalty. KC would have kept the lead and iced the game with that INT. I thought it was the right call. Offsides, especially when someone LINES UP offsides, is one of the easier judgments.
In one of those articles I shared, it was mentioned that some argued that Dee Ford was unfairly drawn offsides (albeit still a foul) by Trent Brown (NE OT) who wasn't on the LOS (so: illegal formation). But even if that's true, the INT would still have been negated with offetting fouls and the only difference would have been the 5-yards NE got, which ... given how Brown-Gronkowski got them 25-y in one pass down to the 4-yl on the next play, may not have impacted the game.
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I've watched Brady get woodshedded by very good Seattle/Denver defenses.Yet he stood in the pocket,took a beating didn't complain and almost delivered against obviously more talented squads,he has my respect.Just keep him away from checking ball pressure ;D.There should be more flags thrown on defenses that pile dive QBs after the ball is dumped.Noticed they manage to side step the punter under similar bang-bang situations.Prolly has something to do with 15yds and automatic 1st downs
and more to do with if the starting STAR QB doesn't return to the game, it's a lead pipe win
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Not looking for sympathy for anyone. I just want a fair game called in any game, regardless of who is playing. It was a total BS call on Jones, that was definitely NOT roughing. But on that very same play Julian Edelman was put in a headlock by the Chiefs DB and there was no flag. Eric Berry was basically jumping on Gronk's back the entire game and riding him like a mule. He wasn't called once. So I don't want to hear anything from Chiefs fans or Patriots haters about the refs. KC more times than not got the benefit when it came to the refs.
And Andy Reid is a lying whiner. The refs don't tell the DL's and warn them when they line up a yard off-sides. If a DL is a little over and the refs didn't catch it they'll warn him after that play is over to stay back. But no ref ever in the history of the game tells a DL that's lined up a yard off-sides to get back. Just doesn't happen. People making excuses about that and saying the Pats were lucky. Like, give me a break. That's not luck. Dee Ford is an idiot who should know better. He was lined up almost a yard off-sides.
Can't say what is done on the NFL level, but I know on the HS level we tell people all the time to back up before the snap. I know it is done on the lower level College game also.
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Minutes of NFL I watched this year - zero.
Minutes of SB I will watch - same.
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I never watch the NFL regular season. There isn't enough time in a weekend for me to forfeit any of Sunday after giving up 3.5, 7 or 10 hours from Saturday. But I like tuning in to the postseason. The stakes are high. American social consciousness cares so much. I like football and this is all that's available. And I do have a rooting interest - one of the major faces of Michigan and NFL.
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NFL reffing is rough. Refs completely botch a huge call. Way to many random penalties in the NFL - makes the game look illegitimate.
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Why does bud think people care how light beer is made?
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Quite the defensive slug match.
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It's funny that in baseball if you use steroids you are done forever, no HOF, and in football, within like 2 months you can star in a Super Bowl
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These are warriors damn it. They must do whatever they can to be on the field!
The double standard is preposterous. Football people do not care at all and neither do those who lap it up.
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This game is a Big Ten special. Punting and field position.
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Legatron beefed it.
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Commercials, halftime show, Romo, and the game's outcome all sucked this year.
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As a Lions fan, the most predictable result of this season was watching a team win a Super Bowl with zero offense, 100% based on their defense...right after you hired away the supposed brains of that defense
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Not a ringing endorsement of pocket passing tonight.
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Does the fact that football season is over once the Super Bowl ends evade others? I think because it's two weeks past any other game, it's more of a spectacle than a football game, and my viewing experience is always so out of whack with how I normally watch football, I don't view it the same. Like after the championship games, I convince myself there is still football, but it's not really football, so I don't actually care when it's over.
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Not a ringing endorsement of pocket passing tonight.
Well, did anyone think Jared Goff was good? Patriots were ok, not great, and they left a ton of points on the field early. Very easily could have been 13-0 or 17-0 at the half.
But yeah, oddly poor passing display both ways considering the dome conditions. Looked for like an AFC Championship win in Foxboro than a Super Bowl.
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I'm checked out of football as appt viewing after the ccgs. I plan to watch cfp but hardly think about it. If I catch other bowl games fine. This was most of a sb I've seen in some time. About half of snaps. My kids were asking when baseball started . Ah, those are my girls.
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Why does bud think people care how light beer is made?
My guess is that they never used corn syrup to feed their yeast, know it matters only meh but received info about Miller Light's process including corn syrup and want to capitalize on that difference. It won't matter to their base but it may cause a few converts. Low risk/some reward is the origin of most good gambles. Just ask the insurance industry.
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I'm checked out of football as appt viewing after the ccgs. I plan to watch cfp but hardly think about it. If I catch other bowl games fine. This was most of a sb I've seen in some time. About half of snaps. My kids were asking when baseball started . Ah, those are my girls.
My keepers locked in yesterday for our fantasy league . Baseball is close enough to think spring. When do pitchers and catchers report? I have a die hard college baseball acquaintance who went to a D2 game yesterday, informing me, that level started this weekend
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Next thing they'll tell me is that Heinz and Coca cola use corn syrup too. Breaking news, alcohol is a form of sugar via fermentation.
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Commercials, halftime show, Romo, and the game's outcome all sucked this year.
I'm generally agreeable so take this with a grain of salt, but I liked all the things you didn't.
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Many not all report on Feb 12th with full rosters about a week later. I will not make it to Cactus League this year, winding down the house build and move, no time for fun.
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Now that was a snoozer. I'm just waking up. They could bottle that game up and replace Ambien with it.
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I'm generally agreeable so take this with a grain of salt, but I liked all the things you didn't.
Fair enough... I kinda break it down this way...
- There were some good commercials. I think the Bud Light commercials generally held up well, and the mash up they did with Game of Thrones was... unexpected. In general I thought there were a lot of clunkers though. So I'd say the commercials were just so-so, but given that I was listing things that "sucked", I didn't have time for that nuance.
- Honestly I don't really ever like the halftime shows. I don't care for Maroon 5, and have no clue who Travis Scott is. Thought Big Boi did well, but I would have loved it if somehow Andre 3000 had made a surprise appearance with him. But my problem with the halftime shows is that you're throwing multiple performers that have nothing to do with each other together [because they're trying to not snub any particular demographic], the songs are all shortened because they only have a very short time to perform, and as a result it seems like it's just a gratuitous performance that makes no sense.
- Romo seems like he's been reading his own press clippings. People have been [rightfully] complimentary of his addition of actual X's and O's football knowledge, and it seems like he's just enjoying the spotlight a little too much. Again, however, like the commercials, Romo is better than a lot of other guys, but I found him to be worse than he's been for "lesser" games that I've heard him call this season because he was just too extra.
- Given that I haven't had an NFL team for a very long time, I've kinda adopted the Rams. And given my affinity for Brees as a Boiler, I was happy two weeks ago that either the Rams OR Brees would get a chance to win the Super Bowl, and beat the Patriots [who I don't particularly like]. So I wanted to see the Patriots lose, ergo the outcome sucked [for me].
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Odds on Brady and/or Gronk retiring?
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- Romo seems like he's been reading his own press clippings. People have been [rightfully] complimentary of his addition of actual X's and O's football knowledge, and it seems like he's just enjoying the spotlight a little too much. Again, however, like the commercials, Romo is better than a lot of other guys, but I found him to be worse than he's been for "lesser" games that I've heard him call this season because he was just too extra.
I'm starting to be concerned about the same. Happens to a lot of guys. There was a time when Dick Vitale was a fresh and unique voice. When Dakich first did games, I thought he was great, then he became a charactature of himself.
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I was watching Aaron Donald last night and struck by how many elite NFL players Pitt has produced in the last 20 years and how little it has helped elevate the program.
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Odds on Brady and/or Gronk retiring?
Gronk is done. He's a beaten down, broken down shell of his former great self. Best TE to ever play the game and it's not close IMO- but he's finished. I'd be shocked if he was back in New England with the way that Belichik operates. He gets rid of a guys a year or two early, and right now it looks like he's held onto Gronk a year or two too late. Gronk was almost traded to Detroit this off-season and he nixed the trade. He said he's only playing with Brady or he's going to retire so the deal fell apart. 2019 is the last year of his deal and he's due $9+ million in 2019 and he's going to count $11.5+ mil against the cap if he's on the roster. They can cut him and save $9.5 million against the cap. He gone. And he's not playing for anyone else but New England imo, so he'll just retire.
Brady isn't going anywhere for at least 2-3 more years imo. They don't have any other legit QB's on that roster. They aren't cutting bait with an old Brady for Brian freakin' Hoyer. My guess is they probably draft someone with one of their 12 draft picks this upcoming draft in the 2nd or 3rd or 4th round and develop him over the next 2-3 years then they get rid of Brady. They just don't have any other options at this point. This QB draft sucks outside of Haskins- and he'll be gone in the top 10 and they pick at #32 every year.
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I was watching Aaron Donald last night and struck by how many elite NFL players Pitt has produced in the last 20 years and how little it has helped elevate the program.
I was watching how little impact Aaron Donald had on that game last night and I was struck by how over-hyped he is. I've got to say, did he even play at all this entire playoff run? Because I didn't see him do anything all playoffs except cheap shot Brady and get away with what should've been a roughing the passer.
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Odds on Brady and/or Gronk retiring?
I agree with MDot:
Brady, <1%
Gronk, >75%
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I am not a big fan of any commercial aiming to lower the bar for society. And that's all this dilly-dilly crap is. So I wasn't a fan of those Bud Light commercials, even though I thoroughly enjoy GoT. But I liked several others, even the Miller Lite one with ASMR. I also thought the NFL's commercial (with the tackling shenanigans in the ballroom) was among the most enjoyable SB commercials in my lifetime. The spoofs with Michael Bublé and Big Lebowski were good too. It's hard to remember them all.
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Why would Brady retire? Dude's been to 8 straight AFC CGs.
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Why would Brady retire? Dude's been to 8 straight AFC CGs.
Because his arm is rapidly approaching "wet noodle" stage...
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Because his arm is rapidly approaching "wet noodle" stage...
we must be watching different things, because his arm looks the same as it ever has to me. His arm was never huge, it was always merely above average and it looks about the same. Drew Brees is the QB whose arm I'd say has already gotten to wet noodle stage. Brees' arm was already wet noodlish before that major shoulder injury which required surgery. He got it back to maybe 90% of it was, and now at age 39 that thing is just shot.
Brady was the MVP of the league last year and threw for a playoff record 505 yards in the Super Bowl. Most yards ever thrown in a playoff game period- forget Super Bowl. If Brandon Graham doesn't make that incredible play to rush the pocket up the middle and strip sack the ball- Brady probably would've lead the Pats to a 40-38 victory that game.
This year without much in the way of an offensive supporting cast he got them to the Super Bowl with a flawless game vs the Chargers in the divisional round and then pulled off a miracle in 4th QTR and OT on the road in Arrow Head to get them to the Super Bowl. He didn't play his best game in the Super Bowl. But I didn't see any "wet noodle" in that arm- especially on the game winning drive in the 4th QTR where he dropped a couple of dimes down the field to Gronkowski. Rams by the way do happen to have the best starting tandem at CB in the entire league with Talib and Peters, and probably the best starting front 4 in the entire league as well. Suh and Donald are future HOF'ers both playing at extremely high levels, and the ends Brockers and Fawler were both high 1st round picks. Wade Phillips is also arguably the best DC in the league. Rams DB's owned the NE wide receivers on the outside and the Rams interior DL was able to get pressure on Brady up the middle- really the only way you can pressure him at all. Edge pressure doesn't get to him because he gets rid of the ball way too quickly. Chargers and Chiefs have some of the best edge rushers in the leauge and weren't able to get a finger on him. Rams on the other hand were getting shots on Brady. ESPN showed a stat graphic- when Eldeman was pressed at the LOS he had 0 catches. All of his catches came in the slot on free releases. When the Rams DB's pressed the Patriots receivers they straight up owned them. Hogan, Dorsett, and Cordarelle Patterson all got shut down on the outside. Rams also took away the passing game to the RBs that New England loves to go to. James White was a non-factor that game. They just don't have the weapons on offense to go toe to toe with a defense with as much talent as the Rams and a DC as savvy as Wade Phillips. Honestly Pats kinda just got lucky that Gurley was still banged up, that McVay shat the bed and made zero adjustments on offense, but most importantly that Jared Goff turned back into who and what he really is- a wannabe not built for the big moment. Rams will never win shit with Goff.
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If Brady has lost zip on intermediate throws (his highest velocity attempts), I haven't noticed. But that may not be what bwar meant. His post could also be saying that eventually everyone hits wet noodle arm time. P. Manning hit that phase by this age. Even if there aren't any obvious signs yet, you know it has to be coming for Brady, too.
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If Brady has lost zip on intermediate throws (his highest velocity attempts), I haven't noticed. But that may not be what bwar meant. His post could also be saying that eventually everyone hits wet noodle arm time. P. Manning hit that phase by this age. Even if there aren't any obvious signs yet, you know it has to be coming for Brady, too.
I watched more Patriots this year than normal as I had Josh Gordon on my fantasy team.
Gordon was there to be a stretch the field / take the top off the defense guy. And it seemed that every time Brady tried to throw it deep to him, it was underthrown. Whether that was a lack of arm strength or just a miscalculation of where the ball was supposed to be, I don't know. But I can't imagine Brady not hitting Randy Moss in stride back in the day.
And yes, the same thing happened to Manning. His final season he made the Super Bowl being a smart player and having a great defense to support him, not because he had any arm strength left.
Brees is about a year and a half younger than Brady. I haven't seen any degradation of his deep ball yet, but I think the fact that he's set the single-season completion percentage record 4 times might suggest that scheme-wise, they're trying to give him a lot of high-percentage throws and not make him rely on the deep ball as much.
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More to being a QB than having a rocket arm.
I'd at least wait until he drops a game in the Conference semifinals before predicting an end date.
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More to being a QB than having a rocket arm.
I'd at least wait until he drops a game in the Conference semifinals before predicting an end date.
And yes, he's done pretty darn well with his current arm...
Some players tend to drive themselves beyond their prime, and you'd think that going out on your 6th ring [more than any other player] would be leaving on a high note.
Does he want to end his career on top?
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My guess is that Brady thinks he can finish with at least 7.
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Honestly Pats kinda just got lucky that Gurley was still banged up, that McVay shat the bed and made zero adjustments on offense, but most importantly that Jared Goff turned back into who and what he really is- a wannabe not built for the big moment. Rams will never win shit with Goff.
I agree Gurley banged up allowed N.E. to focus on Goff.Not ready to throw Goff under the bus just yet as it took Peyton and the Colts a while, but he's paid rather well to deliver the goods and he seemed to choke Sunday.N.E. schemed good but Goff lost his season swagger for sure
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I agree Gurley banged up allowed N.E. to focus on Goff.Not ready to throw Goff under the bus just yet as it took Peyton and the Colts a while, but he's paid rather well to deliver the goods and he seemed to choke Sunday.N.E. schemed good but Goff lost his season swagger for sure
Goff is a product of McVay and that running game with Gurley imo. The Rams want to run the ball then go deep on high percentage deep throws off play action. McVay schemes great plays and is in Goff’s ear on the mic just up until 15 seconds are left on the play-clock. Well, McVay was off his game and Gurley was banged up and the Rams couldn’t run the ball effectively. Ask Goff to carry a team and he just can’t. He needs the great supporting cast and everything working to perfection for him to play at a high level.
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And yes, he's done pretty darn well with his current arm...
Some players tend to drive themselves beyond their prime, and you'd think that going out on your 6th ring [more than any other player] would be leaving on a high note.
Does he want to end his career on top?
Why would he end his career right now though? He just won the Super Bowl and is probably thinking he can go win another one. The Patriots still have Belichik and McDaniels coaching the defense and offense respectively. They have their best OL they’ve had in years coming back and they have their best stable of RBs they’ve had in years coming back. They have 12 draft picks in the upcoming draft and if they cut/trade Gronk and a few other guys they can clear up cap space to get a nice F/A or two.
He’s not walking away. He’s probably thinking man I can play at high level for 3 more years and maybe win 2-3 more Super Bowls. He wins like 8 Super Bowls and plays in 11 or 12- forget NFL- he’ll make himself the greatest, most accomplished player in American sports period. He’s chasing ghosts and things that have never been done nor will be done again. Why would he stop now?
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Why would he end his career right now though? He just won the Super Bowl and is probably thinking he can go win another one. The Patriots still have Belichik and McDaniels coaching the defense and offense respectively. They have their best OL they’ve had in years coming back and they have their best stable of RBs they’ve had in years coming back. They have 12 draft picks in the upcoming draft and if they cut/trade Gronk and a few other guys they can clear up cap space to get a nice F/A or two.
He’s not walking away. He’s probably thinking man I can play at high level for 3 more years and maybe win 2-3 more Super Bowls. He wins like 8 Super Bowls and plays in 11 or 12- forget NFL- he’ll make himself the greatest, most accomplished player in American sports period. He’s chasing ghosts and things that have never been done nor will be done again. Why would he stop now?
He also thinks his quack doctor is a sage and he doesn't eat tomatoes.
I guess the answer is that he thinks he can keep it up... Whether that's true or not will be seen, I guess.
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He also thinks his quack doctor is a sage and he doesn't eat tomatoes.
I guess the answer is that he thinks he can keep it up... Whether that's true or not will be seen, I guess.
He’s been playing better as he ages with the quack trainer. Brady has only gotten better with age. Most QBs get worse.
There’s no evidence to suggest that he can’t keep it up. He’s been to the AFC title game 8 years straight and has been to 4 of the last 5 Super Bowls and won 3 of them. The one he lost, he only set the All-Time record for yards thrown in a playoff game.
They draft a stud young TE like Fant or Gentry and go make a trade for a veteran receiver like Larry Fitzgerald or Antonio Brown and then maybe sign an impact DL on the F/A market like Demarcus Lawrence or Suh and they’ll be right back in the Super Bowl. Again.
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No chance the Steelers trade Brown to New England, and as much as Fitzgerald probably wants a championship, has he said anything about a trade? I get the impression he wants to finish in Arizona.
I also disagree that he's gotten better with age. He's certainly better at 41 or 42 than any other quarterback of that age I've ever seen, but there's no way he's better than he was 3 or 5 or 10 years ago. He doesn't have a deep ball anymore.
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I wasn't evaluating Brady's deep ball before. That's probably diminished but even then, in this offense, a deep ball is more window dressing than main event. The vast majority of Brady's daggers or most famous plays in the last decade were line drives 10-30 yards out, often into tight windows, especially on 3rd and long. And so far that's still there and is on its own enough to earn rings.
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No chance the Steelers trade Brown to New England, and as much as Fitzgerald probably wants a championship, has he said anything about a trade? I get the impression he wants to finish in Arizona.
I also disagree that he's gotten better with age. He's certainly better at 41 or 42 than any other quarterback of that age I've ever seen, but there's no way he's better than he was 3 or 5 or 10 years ago. He doesn't have a deep ball anymore.
Deep ball down the seam to Gronk was perfect.
He doesn’t have a deep threat on the outside worth a squirt of piss. Chris Hogan? Phillip Dorsett? Cordarelle Patterson? All complete and utter trash. He had an out of shape, hadn’t played a game in like 5 years Josh Gordon for what- 10 weeks? Gordon was OK but still not remotely close to what he once was. That’s what happens when you’re on drugs and suspended for the last 5 years. Gronk is a broken down shell of himself and Eldeman is a slot receiver. He hasn’t had any weapons that can get deep. Past his prime druggy and a broken down 30 year old TE is all he had that can get deep. And Gronk doesn’t even get separation anymore he just happens to be gigantic with great body control/hands. How bout they give him some actual weapons before we say he’s finished? Just a thought.
Steelers might not have a choice. They have to trade him and whoever makes the best offer will be the one they take.
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Who is saying he's finished? I just said that while he's better than any 42 year old QB has the right to be, which isn't exactly a mystery, I wouldn't say he's BETTER now than he was 3-5 years ago, which you did. He's still a top 5-6 QB in the league.
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Who is saying he's finished? I just said that while he's better than any 42 year old QB has the right to be, which isn't exactly a mystery, I wouldn't say he's BETTER now than he was 3-5 years ago, which you did. He's still a top 5-6 QB in the league.
Arm wise, that has to be true. How about in terms of a football brain - Are any better? That's a leading question, I know, but I still mean for it to include real curiosity.
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Steelers might not have a choice. They have to trade him and whoever makes the best offer will be the one they take.
And since when has Belichick ponied up for a playmaker?He'll grab someone fast off the waiver wire and make due.Or attempt to make Mr Irrelevant into an Edelman/Welker
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Steelers might not have a choice. They have to trade him and whoever makes the best offer will be the one they take.
The best offer may not be what's best for the team. If the best offer comes from a fellow AFC contender, it may still better for the franchise to take the next best offer from the 49ers or Packers or Panthers or whoever.
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Who is saying he's finished? I just said that while he's better than any 42 year old QB has the right to be, which isn't exactly a mystery, I wouldn't say he's BETTER now than he was 3-5 years ago, which you did. He's still a top 5-6 QB in the league.
Top 5-6? He's still the top QB in the leauge imo. Rodgers is right there as well though. Mahomes is the only other one I'd put up there with Brady/Rodgers but he does have the luxury of playing for an offensive wizard in Reid and with legit weapons all in their prime up the wazoo like Sammy Watkins, Tyreke Hill, Travis Kelcee, and Kareem Hunt (for most of the season anyway). No QB in the leauge had young, in their prime All-Pro/Pro Bowl fire power across the board at RB-WR-TE like that. Brees is about done imo- he fell off the cliff the last half of the season and during the post season. Rivers has never been nothing more than a stat padder. Goff is a phony. Luck is extremely talented but oft-injured and a turnover machine. Big Ben is washed up. Matt Ryan and Russell Wilson probably round out the top 5 imo. Luck is right there behind them at 6.
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The best offer may not be what's best for the team. If the best offer comes from a fellow AFC contender, it may still better for the franchise to take the next best offer from the 49ers or Packers or Panthers or whoever.
true. but hard to see them passing up a sweetheart deal if New England were to offer say a 2nd and 3rd in this draft plus a 3rd or 4th in next years draft. Pats have 12 picks this year and 9 the following. Belichik has said many, many times that he's not going to be like Marvy Levy and be coaching when he's 75. He turns 67 this year. My guess is Brady and Belichik started this thing together and they'll finish this thing together. Their window to win is right now. 21 picks over the next two drafts- they're going to be wheeling and dealing and making some moves.
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I'm also not sure he hasn't hit a point that a contender may not want to risk it . He's not simply a distraction anymore. He had yet another legal issue over the weekend . He quit on his teammates the final week . If you are San Francisco, it's worth the risk. New England? Not so sure.
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I'm also not sure he hasn't hit a point that a contender may not want to risk it . He's not simply a distraction anymore. He had yet another legal issue over the weekend . He quit on his teammates the final week . If you are San Francisco, it's worth the risk. New England? Not so sure.
Well, it's pretty clear the guy has issues. He clearly doesn't respect Mike Tomlin at all and he clearly hates Ben Roethlisberger. Honestly, Tomlin created the monster. Tomlin had many opportunities when Brown was a young player to put him in check. He never did. Tomlin let him walk all over him from the word go. Tomlin wants to be buddies with his players, and that never works. As far as Brown hating, Roethlisberger well I can't say I blame him. Not sure there has been a bigger douche in pro sports history than Big Ben.
I tend to disagree completely on the last part. If you're San Fran- it's probably not worth the risk at all. Very small chance of controlling that massive ego and very good chance of him fracturing that young, impressionable locker room and disrespecting and walking all over that young yet to prove anything coach Kyle Shannahan. Brown walks into San Fran he's the biggest star in the locker room. He's the guy. Right away. Pornstar Jimmy has played in 7 games in 5 years and proven absolutely nothing. That's his entire resume. 7 games in 5 years. Has there been a more over-hyped, over-blown player in sports history than this guy? I think not. Kyle Shannahan has done absolutely nothing as a head coach. Brown would walk into that locker room and own it. Day one. Brown walks into New England- he knows who the boss is right away. Belichik is the boss and Brady is Belichik's sheriff in the locker room. It's their way or the highway. Brown is a piss ant nothing compared to those two. And there's no getting around it. He has no weight to throw around there. He's one of the great players in the NFL right now- but he is absolutely nothing compared to those two guys. He does it their way or he's gone. To me there's basically no risk for New England and nothing but risk for the 49ers.
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Well if the Pats are giving up a No1 they certainly are risking something.And if he's willing to walk away from the Steelers,I'm thinking team achievements/objectives aren't his thing.If he took a contract on incentives then I'd say go for it
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Anybody got opinions/insight on why Todd Gurley didn't get more work last Sunday.IMO he was still banged up or Sean McVay simply out thought himself
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Belichik has a proven record with troublemakers coming to the Pats and then being a good teammate and contributing
Randy Moss and Cory Dillon and LeGarrette Blount come to mind. None of them required a 1st round pick.
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Anybody got opinions/insight on why Todd Gurley didn't get more work last Sunday.IMO he was still banged up or Sean McVay simply out thought himself
Sean McVay simply out thought himself
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Flacco traded to the Broncos
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Case Keenum???
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Flacco traded to the Broncos
LOL @ the Broncos.
Flacco is truly terrible. He has always been terrible for the most part. Love the nickname Skip Bayless gave him- Joe Fluke-O. Guy had a couple of fluke performances in the playoffs. Everything else about him has been, well, bad.
Says a lot that a raw barely adequate passer like Lamar Jackson could come in as a rookie and turn that thing around in Baltimore after it had been floundering with Flacco the helm. Even getting a 7th round pick for Flacco would be fleecing the Broncos.
When is John Elway just going to draft a god damn QB? Kinda funny how one of the great QB's of all-time can build an entire roster year after year into a playoff caliber unit with the exception of finding a legit QB. Only success he's had is with a Rent-A-Peyton. Peyton with one leg and one bum arm is 10x better than Joe Flacco.
You have the #10 pick, John. TRADE UP and take Dwayne Haskins. Most all of the teams in the 9 spots ahead of you aren't looking for a QB. There's really only one team dying for a QB ahead of you and that's the Giants. Trading for Flacco is just sad.
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When is John Elway just going to draft a god damn QB?
So he's like the Harbaugh of the NFL, never able to find and develop his own QB, just relying on transfers/trades/free agency? ;)
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So he's like the Harbaugh of the NFL, never able to find and develop his own QB, just relying on transfers/trades/free agency? ;)
maybe Harbaugh in his time at Michigan, sure.
Before Michigan, Jim had a great track record of developing QB's. U of San Diego with Josh Johnson, Andrew Luck at Stanford, and Colin Kapernick with the 49ers in the NFL. I'd say that's a pretty god damn impressive resume. Did tiny little USD ever produce an NFL draft pick let alone QB before Johnson? Andrew Luck was considered the best NFL draft QB prospect since Elway. Before the injuries and the controversy and before Harbaugh left- for a good 3 year stretch there Kapernick was looking like the future of the NFL at QB. He was a flat out star. Sports writers like Whitlock were proclaiming him as the next John Elway.
Jim's failures to develop a QB of his own in 4 seasons at Michigan has been pretty frustrating. He did inherit a shit sandwich, but it's looking more and more like his first hand-picked QB- Brandon Peters- has been a giant dud. McCaffrey looks promising however. Hard to be upset with Rudock- he was a stabilizing and steady force- without him year 1 would've been ugly. Speight and O'Korn both truly sucked. Patterson is pretty good, he's got the potential to breakthrough into great. Needs that offense to get revamped, needs more throwing opportunities per game, and he needs more targets to his studly crew of WIDE RECEIVERS. Less TE's, please.
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TEs and FBs
old school NFL formations
and old school Big Ten of the 70s and 80s formations
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TEs and FBs
old school NFL formations
and old school Big Ten of the 70s and 80s formations
shit don't work. need MOAR creativity.
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Haha
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1095763280289705984
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LOL @ the Broncos.
Flacco is truly terrible. He has always been terrible for the most part. Love the nickname Skip Bayless gave him- Joe Fluke-O. Guy had a couple of fluke performances in the playoffs. Everything else about him has been, well, bad.
Skip Clueless has a lot of nerve getting condescending with someone's name.At least once in his life Flacco can at least say for one year he was the best.No one outside of a meth lab,asylum or Screamin' A Smith would ever blurt that out about the polluted rube Skip
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Skip is a tool for the network
nothing more
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OBJ to the Pats?
Lot of smoke that the Giants are looking to move him this off-season, and apparently the Pats were the most aggressive team in pursuing a trade for him last year but the Giants decided against moving him.
If you’re the Giants I think it makes sense to move him. That team sucks. They have two players worth a damn on the entire roster that anyone would really want and that’s OBJ and Saquon. Saquon is still on his rookie deal, so they aren’t trading him. Getting rid of OBJ’s contract and getting picks might be worth a trade. They need a lot more than 1 player.
If I’m the Giants I want a player and two picks or 3 picks for OBJ. I’d want like Chris Hogan or Dorsett or Patterson plus the Pats 1st round pick plus a 2nd or 3rd.
And if I’m the Pats I’d make that deal all day long. You have absolute dog shit on the outside at WR and Gronk is basically finished. Get rid of one of those mediocre outside WRs and give up a couple picks and go get one of the top 4 or 5 WRs in the entire game.
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Brady would stamp his approval
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Yeah, you have to realize you are at the end of this (albeit 20 year) window, so why not maximize the next 2-3 years? Makes all the sense in the world for them.
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Yeah, you have to realize you are at the end of this (albeit 20 year) window, so why not maximize the next 2-3 years? Makes all the sense in the world for them.
Absolutely. If I’m the Pats I do the deal ASAP then tell Gronk he’s restructuring the contract to peanuts or he’s cut, then draft a TE in the 2nd or 3rd round and another receiver in the 2nd or 3rd round. Maybe take one of the Iowa TEs or Gentry.
Time to re-tool that offense.
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Saddest punts in the world. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=F9H9LwGmc-0)
Nice way to burn nearly an hour on the last 47,000 punts in the NFL. Funny stuff .
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damn, I'm a football junkie and plenty bored this time of year, but nearly an hour on NFL punts?
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Patriots owner Robert Kraft charged in Jupiter, FL with soliciting prostitution. Kraft lives in Palm Beach, FL during the winter season. Apparently he frequented a "massage" parlor of the Asian persuasion just 15-20 mins north of Palm Beach in Jupiter, and the feds/cops have video evidence. The parlor was busted as part of a human trafficking ring, where the owners would lure girls from China to America with promises of a better life, and then once in the US force them to live/work at the parlor.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-with-soliciting-prostitution.html
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Makes sense why he's been so vocal recently about clearing out the prison system.
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I'm sure he was framed by Grigson or Frank Reich. Did Kravitz provide the scoop?
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if he can't buy himself out, no one can
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Jason Witten coming out of retirement to play another year for the Cowboys, and most importantly, mercifully end us having to listen to that garbage MNF crew. Hopefully they can figure out someone to take Tessitore and Booger off their hands too.
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30 sec TV timeouts really make watching professional football a lot more enjoyable. thank you AAF.