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Title: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Gigem on December 02, 2018, 06:39:33 PM
Texas vs UGa Sugar Bowl

OU vs Alabama Cotton Bowl

Who ya got?  It will certainly be interesting to see how the teams match up. For those touting the great defense of Alabama and the poor defense of OU it will be a contrast of strengths.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2018, 07:25:12 PM
I think the SEC wins both

but, will be rooting for the Big 12
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: BrownCounty on December 02, 2018, 07:31:05 PM
Texas vs UGa Sugar Bowl
And I was hoping for a 10-win season.

Oh well, if Herman's squad can't beat Georgia in his 2nd year then I can forgive that.

SEC/Big 12 bowl matchups are always rigged to favor the SEC.  A&M is a much more equal matchup for Texas.  But hades no, the SEC (and A&M) aren't going near it.  It has to be easy money for the SEC.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 02, 2018, 08:04:32 PM
I’m perfectly fine with everyone thinking Bama wins it in a walk. OU does better as an underdog.  In 2013 Bama was favored by 16.5 in the Sugar against OU.

Texas will give Georgia a good game.  I think it’s gonna be close.  

In fact I think both games will be close.  If I were betting, I’d bet that both SEC teams win but that neither covers the spread.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Gigem on December 02, 2018, 08:22:02 PM
No excuses for Bama. They have something to play for now. 

I think UT will be way overmatched with UGa but they might not. 
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 02, 2018, 08:38:23 PM
No excuses for Bama. They have something to play for now.

I think UT will be way overmatched with UGa but they might not.
Like the Sugar Bowl is nothing to play for ...
I mean, sure, they’re the best team of the current era, but a Sugar Bowl win will always a worth going all out for.  Just think of all those graduating seniors, to go out on a Sugar Bowl win is still a biggie.
In fact this was how Stoops went out (as a head coach), on a big Sugar Bowl W over Auburn.  Always the best way, going out a winner.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Gigem on December 02, 2018, 08:54:53 PM
I never said they had nothing to play for. Saban intimated as much after the game. No excuses this time.

I will say that Trevor Knight ( of the 50% completion variety) played the game of his life and OU had their QB running for his life.

I don’t care for either team. I think Bama will win but it won’t be a blow out.

Some of you may not know this but there was whispers that Kyler Murray refused to go in the game vs Bama in 2015 and got into it with the coaches. This is the game where Kyle Allen threw several pick 6s and was pulled. Kyler played in his relief and threw one pick 6 too and had an overall bad game.  Rumors were swirling after the game about Kylers behavior on the sideline. He transferred not long after.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: longhorn320 on December 02, 2018, 09:02:31 PM
Vegas loves the SEC

Bama favored by 14

Dogs favored by 11

I just hope we stay within 2 TDs
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 02, 2018, 09:27:22 PM
I never said they had nothing to play for. Saban intimated as much after the game. No excuses this time.
...
Rumors were swirling after the game about Kylers behavior on the sideline. He transferred not long after.
Okay we agree on your first point.
On your last, all I can say is what we said to Texas Tech, for letting Baker Mayfield go.  Thank you, A&M!
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Cincydawg on December 03, 2018, 08:42:05 AM
Hard to know where the UGA "heads" are in this one.  I'd take the points and both dogs to cover.

Oklahoma can score on Bama, a lot.  And vice versa.

UGA is probably more talented than Texas at this point, but that does not always matter.  Both lost their CGs.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on December 03, 2018, 09:04:21 AM
And I was hoping for a 10-win season.

Oh well, if Herman's squad can't beat Georgia in his 2nd year then I can forgive that.

SEC/Big 12 bowl matchups are always rigged to favor the SEC.  A&M is a much more equal matchup for Texas.  But hades no, the SEC (and A&M) aren't going near it.  It has to be easy money for the SEC.
If Texas loses, Texas will go 9-5 which will make Tom Herman's second season record identical to Mack Brown's second season record at Texas.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on December 03, 2018, 09:07:51 AM
Texas vs UGa Sugar Bowl

OU vs Alabama Cotton Bowl

Who ya got?  It will certainly be interesting to see how the teams match up. For those touting the great defense of Alabama and the poor defense of OU it will be a contrast of strengths.
I've been reading on TexAgs that:
Georgia will absolutely slaughter Texas;
Unless of course they don't want to be there because they were screwed out of the CFP, in which case they won't show up.
So the narrative has been covered.   Win or lose, tu is undeserving dog crap and the unassailable greatness that is the SEC shall prevail.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on December 03, 2018, 09:11:00 AM
Personally, I would love to see pay back for the 1984 Cotton Bowl that followed the 1983 season.

I want to see it come down to a hopeless, trailing Texas punting in the final moments and the Georgia punt returner getting absolutely destroyed and fumbling the ball which Texas picks up and runs into the end zone for the go ahead TD. 
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Thumper on December 03, 2018, 10:41:26 AM
You left out OSU vs Mizzou.  The Big12 is expected to go 0-3 vs the SEC.  Whatever.  
The Sooners are 12-1, Big 12 Champs and in the playoffs.  I'm happy.
Texas has 9 wins, won the RRS, made a serious charge at the Big 12 title and has a Sugar Bowl date.  That is a great season as well.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: TexasFan on December 03, 2018, 10:43:38 AM
Texas most likely will not beat UGA. 
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: BrownCounty on December 03, 2018, 11:43:35 AM
UGA is probably more talented than Texas at this point

Serious statement?
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: BrownCounty on December 03, 2018, 11:48:34 AM
The Big12 is expected to go 0-3 vs the SEC.

Of course it is.  That's a calculated expectation performed at SEC headquarters.

#2 team from a 14-team conference (with only 8 conference games)
VS.
#2 team from a 10-team conference where everybody plays each other

Seem about right?
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 03, 2018, 12:16:52 PM
i kinda like texas against the dawgs... i wouldn't be surprised if that game is decided by one possession in heroic fashion.  UGA is more talented i've little doubt, but it's not like texas are a bunch of scrubs- and a month of prep is a long time.  UGA and Bama win by attrition- they lean on people an entire game and burst when they can- and then they 'go to work' the next week, no matter who the opponent with the same game plan week in and week out.  it works for them as they rely on depth to keep the game fresh- it's why they're harder to beat as the season progresses when just about all teams have been depleted to a degree... teams like bama and uga have bench almost as good as starters... it's a formula that works as there really isn't anything fancy about their sets, schemes, or plays.  

it isn't a formula for tearing up a well rested and prepared team.  

Clemson can absolutely beat Bama in a one off... OU can't.  without Big12 zebra's out there making calls that assisted OU ever more as the season progressed, they have already been cut down and worth at least two yards per play average on this 'vaunted' Offense.  Bama, with a healthy Tua, will rip the OU defense to shreds.  Bama can and in my opinion will hold OU to their lowest scoring event of the year- half because OU will be called for their constant but often overlooked infractions, and the other because Bama can play very solid D.  

Texas can come out and play a totally different and very well rehearsed game- and that is where i think the difference is in a bowl vs. a regular season game- Herman's a tactician.... it's his style.  Smart is a 'go to work' guy, selling out for perfected execution and rolling out a well documented game plan.  this actually favors Texas, and the reason I think it'll be close.    
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: BrownCounty on December 03, 2018, 12:19:13 PM

Hilarious that OU lept over Georgia.  Although it seemed scripted.

The Big 12 must be respected after all.  Or else the B1G is not respected.  And does the PAC still play football?
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 03, 2018, 12:22:50 PM
it's reasonable UGA fell below both the BigVII and B1G champions... and- they had their shot and missed.  they may be one of the best three teams in the nation by my reckoning, and along with Clemson just a few drops pale of Bama.  But they lost when it mattered, both against LSU and Bama- and that offers fair opportunity for the other conference champs in my opinion to have their own shot.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Shiner on December 03, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Two things:

1.  Georgia is definitely more talented than the horns.  UGA gets ridiculous recruiting classes.  

2.  OU in the CFP further spotlights the conundrum with how teams are selected.  There are two general camps.... Camp 1 wants to see the 4 "most deserving" teams get in.  And with that there are various factors to consider to like conference titles... have you just recently played a top 4 team... etc.  Camp 2 just wants to see the best 4 teams in it, regardless of all other factors.


I personally fall into camp 2... in which case I would've voted for UGA to get in over OU.  Did UGA just lose to Bama?  Sure.  But that in no way means they aren't one of the best 4 teams in the country.  In fact, given how UGA was handling Bama for most of that game, it would be hard for most to argue otherwise.  So why should another team like OU get a chance to play in it just because UGA lost... if OU isn't really a top 4 team (which I don't believe they are).  All comes down to.... are you trying to determine the BEST team in the country or not.  It would seem.... they are not.  None of this is really "fair" I guess.... so it is what it is.  If it were, I suppose UCF would be in.  

Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 03, 2018, 01:34:55 PM
without Big12 zebra's out there making calls that assisted OU ever more as the season progressed, they have already been cut down and worth at least two yards per play average on this 'vaunted' Offense.  Bama, with a healthy Tua, will rip the OU defense to shreds.  Bama can and in my opinion will hold OU to their lowest scoring event of the year- half because OU will be called for their constant but often overlooked infractions, and the other because Bama can play very solid D.  
This is a complete load of BS.  OU's penalty yards per game are in the middle of the Big 12 stats at 61 ypg, higher than ISU (39), KSU (37), KU (56) and just under Tex (67) and Tech (68).  Only OSU (71) and Baylor (78) have substantially more.  
In the first RRS game this year, OU had 73 yards in penalties vs Texas 43.  In the game Saturday, we had 60 yards penalties, which is about our season average.  Texas had a lot more, uncharacteristic for them.  So, the zebs favored Texas in Oct and us in Dec.  C'est la vie.  I'm not making penalty excuses for OU's loss back in Oct, and I doubt my Texas friends here will blame penalties for Dec's Texas loss.
Oh, and if you want to compare to the other CFP teams, here are the numbers Bama (48 ypg), ND (45), Clemson (46).  OU averages a full 15 yards penalized per game more often than the other three.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 03, 2018, 01:43:22 PM
As for Bama ripping OU to shreds, that's why we play the games.  People said the same thing in the Sugar Bowl in 2013.

OU tends to do well against SEC teams, winning against Auburn and Alabama in recent Sugar Bowls and sweeping Tennessee recently in a home and home.  Last year's playoff with Georgia went to OT. 

SEC fervor aside, I expect a good game.  I won't say anything negative about the SEC, which is full of great teams.  But the Big 12 is no slouch.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: BrownCounty on December 03, 2018, 01:48:49 PM

I think CFB (which is the media, by and large) just wants Texas and Oklahoma on the big stage.

OU in the playoff and Texas in the Sugar Bowl?  Gimme a break.

OU has no defense and the Horns are Alamo Bowl ready.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 03, 2018, 01:52:14 PM
the 12 has the goofiest officiating in the game this season, and they worked more in OU's favor than they went against.  this is a fact.  OU hasn't faced a strong D, and certainly not enough to warrant their O as 'great'... statistically they are the 'best', but we'll see how that works out for them against a strong D.  It sounds like Tua may be done for the season- but it will only matter against Clemson... it's Bama's D that is going to shut OU down hard, not the O- and there will be no refs to save them. 
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Thumper on December 03, 2018, 02:05:08 PM
Nice, Cousin.  I'm reminded of the last time OU and Bama played.  OU couldn't win that one either... until they did.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: TexasFan on December 03, 2018, 02:10:35 PM
Losing to OU put Texas in a BCS bowl.   It put us in a better bowl only because of the tie in.   Washington State should be going to the Sugar Bowl.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: BrownCounty on December 03, 2018, 02:19:34 PM
Losing to OU put Texas in a BCS bowl.   It put us in a better bowl only because of the tie in.   Washington State should be going to the Sugar Bowl.  
The Sugar Bowl had sights set on Texas and Georgia even before last weekend.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Gigem on December 03, 2018, 02:27:59 PM
the 12 has the goofiest officiating in the game this season, and they worked more in OU's favor than they went against.  this is a fact.  OU hasn't faced a strong D, and certainly not enough to warrant their O as 'great'... statistically they are the 'best', but we'll see how that works out for them against a strong D.  It sounds like Tua may be done for the season- but it will only matter against Clemson... it's Bama's D that is going to shut OU down hard, not the O- and there will be no refs to save them.
What conference are the officials from?  B1G or PAC 12?  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Gigem on December 03, 2018, 02:40:15 PM
I'm not quite buying it just yet that Alabama's defense will shut down Oklahoma on offense.  The main question I have is Kyler Murray's performance under pressure?  How will he handle being sacked/hit etc?  QB scrambles are different when you're getting pursued by big, fast players.  I can see Kyler getting off some long passes early and getting some confidence and playing well the entire game and I can see him getting pressured or sacked every time he drops back to pass.  

Texas to me is a weird team.  They can win or lose any game as voiced by multiple longhorns on this board.  I still think Ga wins but Texas will get in their licks.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 03, 2018, 02:47:38 PM
I don't know who the officials for the game are... I don't even know when they announce it or if they have.  i fear it will have impact, though, as crazy as some officiating we've seen this season... add to this the SEC lets a measure of PI the B1G and BigVII frown upon- the PAC seems to allow a measure of holding and are targeting happy... just the simple 'you ain't getting by with the way you've played all season long' will throw a wrench in some teams game plans.. 

saban is pulling a spurrier with this 'everyone look at the O look at the O!!!!' as his defense is just as nasty as they've always been. OU hasn't seen a defensive line like that one, nor LB's that drop in cover or come get your ass with a quickness- not to mention plug lanes, if any.  they can and will shut down much of what OU takes for granted.  i imagine especially so (think lock not bend-don't-break) if Hurts is under center in Tua's absence... they will want to run and control clock ala bama of last and previous season's... 
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Gigem on December 03, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
Hurts wasn't no slouch...I think he earned 2 MNC rings all by himself before Tua took over IIRC.  At least one that I know of (and yes I'm too lazy /don't care to look it up on google).  Tua IMO is a much better player but Hurts is a solid player and game manager just like 'Bama's other NC teams.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 03, 2018, 02:52:08 PM
This is a complete load of BS.  OU's penalty yards per game are in the middle of the Big 12 stats at 61 ypg, higher than ISU (39), KSU (37), KU (56) and just under Tex (67) and Tech (68).  Only OSU (71) and Baylor (78) have substantially more.  
In the first RRS game this year, OU had 73 yards in penalties vs Texas 43.  In the game Saturday, we had 60 yards penalties, which is about our season average.  Texas had a lot more, uncharacteristic for them.  So, the zebs favored Texas in Oct and us in Dec.  C'est la vie.  I'm not making penalty excuses for OU's loss back in Oct, and I doubt my Texas friends here will blame penalties for Dec's Texas loss.
Oh, and if you want to compare to the other CFP teams, here are the numbers Bama (48 ypg), ND (45), Clemson (46).  OU averages a full 15 yards penalized per game more often than the other three.  

by the way, @CousinFreddie (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1630) , I'm yanking your chain more than anything.  OU is a pretty damn good team and regardless of the officiating in the BigVII this season, they didn't benefit anymore from it than their opponents... it was equally bad for all participants whether they were playing OU or not.  mucho of my posts are intent to trigger, and the rest serious thoughts on the matter... it's up to you to figure out which is which... you chose poorly in this instance. 
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Gigem on December 03, 2018, 02:52:45 PM
My thought on UGa also is that their playoff game was the SEC CG.  Win, them and Bama is both in.  Lose and they're out.  I think that's fair.  I hope they eventually extend the playoff to either 6 or 8 teams, make the first game home for the higher ranked team, and give the top two teams bye weeks.  

If this means reducing the regular season by at least one game so be it.  I'd rather have 10 solid games in a season rather than 6-8 good games and 2-4 "buy" games.  Time to end that.  I also think the NCAA should begin to funnel some money into the smaller divisions so that the smaller schools wouldn't have to prostitute themselves to the bigger league teams.  The way it's done now it's like an NFL team playing a HS team in some instances.  

I for one noticed the schedules have been much better when the BCS went away.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: BrownCounty on December 03, 2018, 02:55:11 PM
The main question I have is Kyler Murray's performance under pressure?

Kyler plays with a handicap.  He doesn't want to get hurt.  Anyone can see it.  He slides 5 yards early.  He bolts for the sideline.

He ran a few times on Texas but he tries to contain that.  I expect he will want to run even less against Bama.  The kid's health is worth millions right now and he shows it.  Yet he is still that good.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 03, 2018, 03:00:31 PM
by the way, @CousinFreddie (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1630) , I'm yanking your chain more than anything.  OU is a pretty damn good team and regardless of the officiating in the BigVII this season, they didn't benefit anymore from it than their opponents...
Oh, okay, thanks for the clarifier.  I'll delete what I just wrote
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 03, 2018, 03:04:03 PM
OU has no defense and the Horns are Alamo Bowl ready.
Once again, our local ray of sunshine makes us feel all indescribably warm and giddy! :06:
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 03, 2018, 03:05:47 PM
Hurts wasn't no slouch...I think he earned 2 MNC rings all by himself before Tua took over IIRC.  At least one that I know of (and yes I'm too lazy /don't care to look it up on google).  Tua IMO is a much better player but Hurts is a solid player and game manager just like 'Bama's other NC teams.  
agreed... however, a good marshal which Saban is knows you work with what you have and what you can take.  
he has a stout D that can be relied on to keep them in every game against any opponent- this is where his dynasty starts- and it is based on linemen that could likely play on Sundays in their present form.
he has a running game behind brawny O line that can average three yards and a cloud of dust, ensuring first downs and clock management, and 'leaning' on opponents for the win..... as it is, this is a 'fallback'.  there isn't a team around they can't beat in this manner with the exception of Clemson and UGA... perhaps tOSU depending on which one of them you get that day.  this is something other teams wish they could do as a primary that Bama knows they can revert to if needed.  
with Hurts, he can throw adequately, hand it off as good as anyone, read a D decently, and he can run- dropping his shoulder if he chooses and taking LB's on.  with Tua, they can light up any square inch of the field at any given time- this stretches even the better D's out as they now have to rely on linemen to close lanes by themselves, or Safety's to pull up for that one or two split second 'read' time... they have an explosive team with Tua, and much more so than with 'just' Hurts.  that explosiveness is almost unfair, and the reason these guys are being called the end all be all this season.  
all of this equates to Bama setting the tone of games and letting their opponent beat themselves by falling into a deer in the headlights 'oh shit' and reverting to low percentage high yield plays- sometimes it works out; sometimes it doesn't.  UGA was able to match bama's offense components with their d components- not everyone can do that.  they have a roster that is in the same class as bama's, but not the depth.  clemson has the starting D to manage bama or OU, when they decide to use it for their 20~30 or so minutes a game.  OU has to face two fronts- the best D they've played all year, and the puzzle of defending against them.... all bama has to do is go to work.......
again, though, there is a long time to prepare, and Riley is a tactician just like Herman is- while Saban is a fundamentalist just like Smart is..... this makes for interesting 'one off' games where you can come at somebody, well rehearsed, with nothing seen before and absolutely favors the tactician.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Shiner on December 03, 2018, 03:17:27 PM
My thought on UGa also is that their playoff game was the SEC CG.  Win, them and Bama is both in.  Lose and they're out.  I think that's fair. 
I don't.  Because I think Georgia is still one of the 4 best teams in the country and I think if we're going to have a 4 team playoff, you should put the 4 best teams in.  It isn't Georgia's fault that their last game before the bowl games/playoff games happened to be the #1 team in the country.  They are a "victim" (and I use that term very loosely) of circumstance.  


Ah well... Hopefully OU proves me wrong and knocks out the tide. 
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 03, 2018, 03:22:37 PM
I don't.  Because I think Georgia is still one of the 4 best teams in the country and I think if we're going to have a 4 team playoff, you should put the 4 best teams in.  It isn't Georgia's fault that their last game before the bowl games/playoff games happened to be the #1 team in the country.  They are a "victim" (and I use that term very loosely) of circumstance.  


Ah well... Hopefully OU proves me wrong and knocks out the tide.
in terms of 'fair' i agree..... but.  ain't 'fair' and never has been.  UGA had the opportunity to control their own destiny and they failed.  not fair, but they had an opportunity to take 'fair' out of it and they didn't.  that's a helluva lot more fair than the mid major ND getting in over the mid major UCF. 
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Shiner on December 03, 2018, 03:27:31 PM
Yep.... nothing fair about it.  As for UCF, they should upgrade their conference if they want a shot.  

Expansion to 6 or 8 teams solves most meaningful arguments.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Cincydawg on December 03, 2018, 04:16:54 PM
I think OU is a very dangerous opponent for Bama.  OU is probably at least as good on offense as they were last year and a very good UGA defense didn't stop them much until late.  It could come down to turnovers and critical penalties.  I wonder how much Bama will try and pressure the QB, I think they should.

This could be a high scoring affair and OU has a good shot.  I don't know much about Texas other than that they beat OU once.

UGA has a lot of talent but much of it is very very youthful and inexperienced.  They had some critical injuries late in the year that hurt, some of those guys should be back, like the MLB Monty Rice.  They don't have Roquan Smith of course.  That guy can play.

I think UGA has more former 5 stars on the roster than anyone, but many are freshmen or sophs.  Even Fromm is a soph (true) though it seems he's been around for years.  I guess two  is plural.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: BrownCounty on December 03, 2018, 04:32:10 PM
Expansion to 6 or 8 teams solves most meaningful arguments.  

Would the networks/schools/conferences be willing to cut back to a 10-game regular season so we can do the 8-team playoff?

I think the SEC already plays 2 "gimme" games anyway.  All other conferences play at least one.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Mr Tulip on December 03, 2018, 04:36:17 PM
The Sugar Bowl is why I like bowl season.

Texas built its defense to play against the spread teams in the Big 12. The crux is a rock DT plus sundry lighter but faster "tweener" type players at just about every position. They line up in crazy places in an attempt to scramble pre-snap reads either by the QB or the OC. When the ball is snapped, players go every which way through any gap available. Coverages have to be hybrid and disguised - otherwise the Big 12 QBs and receivers will just dice them up.

UGA has the strength advantage. In a straight up fight, the bigger players would just shove Texas out of the way. If Texas doesn't find success with a schematic advantage, it will be a long night of watching the Bulldogs well, bulldog their way down the field - eating clock and scoring points.

The Big 12 doesn't have anything like Georgia in it. I like this matchup if nothing else just to see how the styles translate.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: BrownCounty on December 03, 2018, 04:51:25 PM

Texas defense vs. Georgia offense = Texas + 10

Texas offense vs. Georgia defense = Texas + 28


I give Texas a fighting chance on defense, but barely.

I give Texas no chance on offense.  The Texas OL is putrid, but in the Big 12 you can skate by with that.  Not against Georgia.  The Texas OL will be sitting on their asses a half-second after each snap.

Just killed me when OU would line up 3 in the trenches, and still blow right past Texas 5 O-lineman.  Pitiful.

If Herman is going to bring his University of Houston offensive game plan to the Sugar Bowl, then Georgia is going to put on a defensive clinic.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: FearlessF on December 03, 2018, 05:05:22 PM
in terms of 'fair' i agree..... but.  ain't 'fair' and never has been.  UGA had the opportunity to control their own destiny and they failed.  not fair, but they had an opportunity to take 'fair' out of it and they didn't.  that's a helluva lot more fair than the mid major ND getting in over the mid major UCF.
UGA had 2 opportunities
LSU 38 - UGA 16
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Cincydawg on December 03, 2018, 06:49:47 PM
I also think Kirby Smart is still learning how to be head coach, coupled with a lot of young players who are learning how to play.

I figured "next year" was THE year.

Of course, I often think that and have since 1981.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: FearlessF on December 03, 2018, 07:51:48 PM
you're not as old as some Cubs fans
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Cincydawg on December 04, 2018, 04:15:42 PM
you're not as old as some Cubs fans
I'm older than most.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: rolltidefan on December 04, 2018, 05:17:02 PM
Hurts wasn't no slouch...I think he earned 2 MNC rings all by himself before Tua took over IIRC.  At least one that I know of (and yes I'm too lazy /don't care to look it up on google).  Tua IMO is a much better player but Hurts is a solid player and game manager just like 'Bama's other NC teams.  
fwiw, hurts lead us to the title game 2 years ago, when watson had the amazing 4th qtr comeback. we lost that one, but we were ahead when hurts walked off the field with 2 min left.
he also lead us to the title game last year, when tua took over at half.
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Post by: CousinFreddie on December 04, 2018, 07:27:09 PM
His name alone is pretty intimidating ...
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: FearlessF on December 04, 2018, 09:26:27 PM
I'm older than most.

I'm also proud of this fact
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: longhorn320 on December 04, 2018, 10:04:55 PM
I'm older than most.

but not all
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Gigem on December 05, 2018, 04:08:04 AM
Like the Sugar Bowl is nothing to play for ...
I mean, sure, they’re the best team of the current era, but a Sugar Bowl win will always a worth going all out for.  Just think of all those graduating seniors, to go out on a Sugar Bowl win is still a biggie.
In fact this was how Stoops went out (as a head coach), on a big Sugar Bowl W over Auburn.  Always the best way, going out a winner.
This exchange reminded me of the other thread where JCG was bitching about Mack only winning 10 games a year at Texas.  Like that wasn't good enough, he had to win a Conference Championship.  So Saban claimed that his team was down because they expected to play for the MNC and instead got dropped to the Sugar Bowl.  You see the irony in that right?  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 05, 2018, 08:09:31 AM
So Saban claimed that his team was down because they expected to play for the MNC and instead got dropped to the Sugar Bowl.  You see the irony in that right?  
Yes it was a pitiful excuse.  An inexcusable excuse.  I didn’t have an opinion one way or another on Saban before this game other than he’s had amazing success, but I found him to be disappointing in that one.  Why not just grow a sack and admit you got beat?  Is it really so hard.  If you can’t get up for the Sugar Bowl against a helmet team, one that already holds the H2H series lead on your ass, I mean what in the actual f—-?
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Shiner on December 05, 2018, 08:16:21 AM
Saban is the Bill Beilichick of the college ranks.

They both win at high rates...... and both are incredibly unlikable humans.
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Post by: BrownCounty on December 05, 2018, 09:11:25 AM
Ah well... Hopefully OU proves me wrong and knocks out the tide.

I don't want anyone to knock out the Tide.

I have a master scheme in mind.  Let's put it this way - I want this Alabama run to come full circle, and end at the same place where it started.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 05, 2018, 09:27:10 AM
I don't want anyone to knock out the Tide.

I have a master scheme in mind.  Let's put it this way - I want this Alabama run to come full circle, and end at the same place where it started.
So how does it come full circle if not by beginning to lose crucial games that they’re predicted to win by 2 TDs?  I think that’d be a good start on their decline but of course I do have a(n) (under)dog in this fight.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: rolltidefan on December 05, 2018, 10:07:40 AM
Saban is the Bill Beilichick of the college ranks.

They both win at high rates...... and both are incredibly unlikable humans.
why is saban unlikable? both are asses to the media, but that doesn't stop there for belichick. it does for saban. watch or read anything about his personal life or interactions with his players or basically anything except his pressers and you'll see he's a very personable guy. hell, that's why he's a master recruiter.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: rolltidefan on December 05, 2018, 10:12:06 AM
I don't want anyone to knock out the Tide.

I have a master scheme in mind.  Let's put it this way - I want this Alabama run to come full circle, and end at the same place where it started.
beated texas in the rose bowl to win the title and sending the horns on a 10 year spiral? i'm down for that.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: BrownCounty on December 05, 2018, 11:04:28 AM
watch or read anything about his personal life or interactions with his players or basically anything except his pressers and you'll see he's a very personable guy. hell, that's why he's a master recruiter.

He doesn't have to recruit.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: BrownCounty on December 05, 2018, 11:06:15 AM
beated texas in the rose bowl to win the title and sending the horns on a 10 year spiral? i'm down for that.

You totally get the vibe I put out.  And spun it the wrong way of course.

Your ours next time.  We'll be back.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 05, 2018, 12:33:03 PM
Horns-Tide smack, love it.  Let me get my popcorn ...
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2018, 03:49:52 PM
As UGA is playing Texas, already, I'll provide a short summary of the Dawgs as I see them:

QB - Fromm is very accurate, has experience now, does a lot of play action on first down, and will audible.
RBs - Two very good ones, very similar to Chubb and Michel last season.
OL - Now that it is getting healthy, very solid, especially at center.
WRs - a good group, a lot of choices, Hardman is small but very elusive in space.

Overall, had one bad game at LSU and late against Bama, but usually scores 35-40.

DL - OK, they play a 3-4.  Teams have run on the Dawgs this year.
LB - Pretty good, they miss Smith from last year.
Secondary - strength of the defense, one first rounder on the outside.

Special teams - Hotrod is very good at PK, nearly every kickoff not returned and can hit from 55 yards insdoors, the punter is a freshman.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on December 20, 2018, 09:13:00 AM
Here’s Texas

QB Ehlinger is better than he used to be but prone to injury

RB Ingraham is better (more talented) but Watson is better (on the field)

OL Same six played all year. Guaranteed to miss blocks and get penalties 

WR weakness of team, undersized, slow and unathletic

Overall our offensive goal is to score one point more than the opposition so often in the the 3rd and 4th quarters we call 3 and outs so the opposition can catch up

DL Charles Omenihu

LB Gary Johnson

Secondary mostly inexperienced but we do have an older player guaranteed to get a penalty on every play

Special teams we have a kicker named Dicker

Summary we’re not very good.  I don’t imagine we’ll win by more than 28-7.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: longhorn320 on December 20, 2018, 09:30:34 AM
Georgia leans towards their rushing game where as the Horns favor passing

This aspect should help the Horns as they do pretty good against the rush

Our QB likes to run and will do so until he gets hurt or scores which ever comes first

Although the Horns favor passing they can run the ball and will do so until stopped



Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 11:09:20 AM
UGA's best player will be out prepping for the NFL (I don't blame him).  Cover corner on D.  Won some award.

Justin Fields is practicing with the team.  He's the backup FR QB who has talked about departing (which he probably should as Fromm is a soph and going nowhere soon).  

Starting RB (usually) is Evander Holyfield's son.  His nephew lives in our building (he's about 8).  Supposed Elijah (the RB) comes around at times.  He is a real load to tackle and has speed enough to get outside, much like Chubb last season).  

No clue about the team's psyche.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: TexasFan on December 28, 2018, 11:23:21 AM
Did any of you that follow Texas know that Garrett Gilbert is still playing in the NFL?    

https://sports.yahoo.com/panthers-running-healthy-qb-turn-kyle-allen-garrett-gilbert-173001393.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/panthers-running-healthy-qb-turn-kyle-allen-garrett-gilbert-173001393.html)
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on December 28, 2018, 12:34:33 PM
Did any of you that follow Texas know that Garrett Gilbert is still playing in the NFL?    

https://sports.yahoo.com/panthers-running-healthy-qb-turn-kyle-allen-garrett-gilbert-173001393.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/panthers-running-healthy-qb-turn-kyle-allen-garrett-gilbert-173001393.html)
Garrett Gilbert who has possibly never started a game in the NFL has a job in the NFL while Vince Young who was 30-17 as a starter does not.  Not to mention Colin Kaepernick.
I don't want to get political and step on the toes of sensitive souls who imagine they're not snowflakes but that the opposition is, but...
maybe LeBron made a valid observation about NFL owners.
Or maybe life just isn't fair.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: longhorn320 on December 28, 2018, 02:35:02 PM
Garrett Gilbert who has possibly never started a game in the NFL has a job in the NFL while Vince Young who was 30-17 as a starter does not.  Not to mention Colin Kaepernick.
I don't want to get political and step on the toes of sensitive souls who imagine they're not snowflakes but that the opposition is, but...
maybe LeBron made a valid observation about NFL owners.
Or maybe life just isn't fair.
as for Kapernick there are too many black QBs for race to be the cause
might be that owners dont want players who piss off the fans
Vince had the misfortune of having an asshole for a HC
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2018, 03:01:41 PM
Vince had his own issues between his ears

physical ability was never the issue
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on December 28, 2018, 05:27:02 PM
VY had Jeff Fisher who has been proven to bring out the worst of any QB.   Jeff Goff, Case Keenum, Nick Foles, etc...

Once VY got fed up and threw his shoulder pads, I honestly believe he was blackballed.

The Kaepernick issue is too deep to get into here.

I think the millionaires who own NFL teams are a lot like kids with marbles.  In a lot of respects they're childish, petty, immature and misguided but it's their marbles so whatever.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Gigem on December 28, 2018, 10:25:20 PM
Vick, a convicted felon who abused animals, made a comeback but VY threw his pads and was blackballed. Cool story bro. 

I thought Vince was a great player. He had his chances with other teams like the Eagles and Green Bay. Hell, he even tried a comeback last year or maybe the year before. 

It’s like me saying Johnny was blackballed because he missed a few meetings and roughed up some chick. 

They met they enemy, and the enemy was themselves. 
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on December 29, 2018, 12:43:40 PM
Apples and oranges.

I don’t believe I’ve ever criticized Johnny Manziel and you won’t see me start here.  I was a partier at his age too (& much older) but, of course, I didn’t possess his amazing talent or the curse of scrutiny that went with it.

His misfortune was the Cleveland freaking Browns- possibly the only thing in the NFL more toxic than Jeff Fisher.

Both VY and Manziel were screwed by circumstances and as fans we were much worse off because of it.

Meanwhile crap QBs still have jobs.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Gigem on December 29, 2018, 03:44:14 PM
Apples and oranges.

I don’t believe I’ve ever criticized Johnny Manziel and you won’t see me start here.  I was a partier at his age too (& much older) but, of course, I didn’t possess his amazing talent or the curse of scrutiny that went with it.

His misfortune was the Cleveland freaking Browns- possibly the only thing in the NFL more toxic than Jeff Fisher.

Both VY and Manziel were screwed by circumstances and as fans we were much worse off because of it.

Meanwhile crap QBs still have jobs.  
I've never criticized VY or Colt McCoy either (even though most Aggies hate them both).  Whatever issues VY had finally did him in, or at least outweighed his benefits he brought on the field.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on December 29, 2018, 05:18:36 PM
So you think VY and Manziel both suffered the consequences of their own mistakes, while I believe they both suffered the consequences of being tied to two of the most toxic entities in the NFL.  Yeah, Andy Reid, an NFL renegade gave VY one more chance, much like he had Michael Vick but VY threw more picks withe Eagles than ever before.  So yeah, maybe in the narrow narrative of that particular opportunity he did suffer the consequences of his own mistake.  Every signing after that was a joke that lasted a minute.

I still say we as fans lost a lot when the NFL wrote them off.
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Post by: CousinFreddie on December 30, 2018, 12:53:47 AM
Speaking of the NFL, my son and I are going to drown our semifinal sorrows by taking in the Browns-Ravens game tomorrow.  His first NFL game, and only my second.  

Since Baltimore is the only local team I, as a Dallas fan, can half stand (the other nearby options are the Redskins and Eagles - double shudder!) I’m kind of cheering for them to win and go to the playoffs.  Then again I’m also looking forward to seeing Baker play and hope he has a big day.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2018, 10:52:16 AM
the redskins have a running back you might enjoy watching and rooting for
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on December 30, 2018, 03:28:21 PM
I kind of like the Ravens concept/Edgar Allen Poe tie in.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: longhorn320 on January 01, 2019, 08:24:46 PM
Im sure most of you have seen this by now but just in case you havent

I just hope the Horn team will follow suit

http://www.espn.com/videohub/video/clip?id=25664013&categoryid=4823314
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Post by: CWSooner on January 01, 2019, 09:14:46 PM
UT 10, UGA 0, in the 1st quarter.

Keep it up.  Stomp a mudhole in 'em, Horns!
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: longhorn320 on January 01, 2019, 09:19:06 PM
UT 10, UGA 0, in the 1st quarter.

Keep it up.  Stomp a mudhole in 'em, Horns!
Hey CW great to hear from ya
Happy New Year
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Post by: CWSooner on January 01, 2019, 09:21:46 PM
Same to you, 320.

I mean it--I hope you guys stomp Georgia bad!
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: FearlessF on January 01, 2019, 09:36:49 PM
1st quarter could have gone much better for the Horns

nice start
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2019, 12:03:49 AM
corngrats on a very nice win by the Horns
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: longhorn320 on January 02, 2019, 12:33:02 AM
corngrats on a very nice win by the Horns
thanks and we also won the targeting contest
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CWSooner on January 02, 2019, 12:53:14 AM
Congratulations to the Horns.

That capped off a Big 12 vs. SEC bowl-game record of 3-1.  Sorry to say, Oklahoma was the one loser.  At least two of the winners--UT and OSU--were double-digit underdogs.

In the past two years, no SEC teams have scored more than 16 points on Georgia in the 1st half.  Oklahoma scored 31 last year, and Texas scored 20 tonight.

Bama is clearly THE dominant program of the last 10+ years.  But that doesn't automatically rub off on every other SEC team.  They put their pants on--even if they are wearing silver britches--one leg at a time.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 02, 2019, 12:59:34 AM
Good to see you, CW.

Did you happen to catch Tom Herman’s last press conference before the Sugar Bowl?

Someone asked him if Georgia was the best opponent he’s seen on tape.  He said I don’t know.  Our rival to the north is pretty danged good and we respect the heck out them.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CousinFreddie on January 02, 2019, 01:17:23 AM
Congrats Horns!  Your boys Hooked’em but good!  Well done.

And good to see you CW.  Happy 2019 to all.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Gigem on January 02, 2019, 01:35:12 AM
Nice win 'Horns.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: TexasFan on January 02, 2019, 08:41:25 AM
I remember watching the 84 Cotton Bowl as if it were yesterday.  I have been waiting 34 years (48) for Texas to beat UGA.  Great job Texas. 
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Entropy on January 02, 2019, 10:28:17 AM
corngrats on a very nice win by the Horns
Agree.. congrats.   If you want to know how fatigued I am about the SEC bias and ESPN.... i was pulling for Texas to win.   Yes.. I know.  I'll try not to let it happen again. 
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: utee94 on January 02, 2019, 10:53:28 AM
That was a really fun game to watch. Georgia's an excellent team and had superior athletes at most positions, but the good news for us is their offense played to the strengths of of our defense. 

Sam had a great game, but I have no desire to see him doing that often during the regular season.

I was probably most impressed with both the o-line and d-line play.  They were dominating the LOS for most of the game.

And finally, we'll no longer have to hear Georgia fans ask "What time is it in Texas?"  Because the answer is now, "28-21."



Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Entropy on January 02, 2019, 11:05:43 AM
Texas' DL was the most impressive unit imo.   They shut down the Georgia run game which had not been shut down all season by holding the point of attack and keeping the LB's clean.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Entropy on January 02, 2019, 11:08:27 AM
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Over the last two years, no SEC offense has scored more than 16 points in a first half against Georgia. Oklahoma scored 31 in the Rose Bowl. Texas scored 20 tonight.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 02, 2019, 11:34:30 AM
11/11/2017 at Auburn

Last time anybody held Georgia to fewer yards rushing than Texas held them to last night.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2019, 11:51:39 AM
Texas' DL was the most impressive unit imo.   They shut down the Georgia run game which had not been shut down all season by holding the point of attack and keeping the LB's clean.  
agreed
and Yes, I was rooting for the Horns last night
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 02, 2019, 11:58:25 AM
Here were two of my favorite clips from last night:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1080265496262524929 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1080265496262524929)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1080324999569989633 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1080324999569989633)
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: utee94 on January 02, 2019, 07:26:46 PM
Saw this on surlyhorns, just an interesting tidbit of info...

SEC Defensive yards / game average-- and then vs. B12 in bowl:
- Georgia: 311 avg. | Sugar Bowl vs. Texas: 355
- Vandy: 420 avg. |  Texas Bowl vs. Baylor 668
- Alabama: 295 avg. | Orange Bowl vs. OU 471
- Missouri: 379 | Liberty Bowl vs. Pokes 502

Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2019, 12:26:30 PM
These are now for sale in Austin:

<br />(https://i.ibb.co/B2nrX1p/CG874-MOCKUP-03652-1546461633-1280-1280.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B2nrX1p)<br />
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: rolltidefan on January 03, 2019, 12:41:40 PM
Saw this on surlyhorns, just an interesting tidbit of info...

SEC Defensive yards / game average-- and then vs. B12 in bowl:
- Georgia: 311 avg. | Sugar Bowl vs. Texas: 355
- Vandy: 420 avg. |  Texas Bowl vs. Baylor 668
- Alabama: 295 avg. | Orange Bowl vs. OU 471
- Missouri: 379 | Liberty Bowl vs. Pokes 502


b12 offensive ypg vs sec in the bowl:
texas 411/355
baylor 459/668
ou 570/471
ok st 512/502
vandy and to lesser extent mizzou weren't exactly good defenses, but both bama and uga held their opp to significantly less yrds than ave.
conversely, the b12 defenses vs sec offenses didn't fare well at all, except texas which shut down uga. but bama hit their o ave/g right on the nose while blowing past ou d ave, and vandy and missou both way out did both their ave o output and their opp d ave by a ton.
don't get me wrong, the b12 did very good in those games. but the conf reputations of off vs def held out fairly even, sans the sugar bowl.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: BrownCounty on January 03, 2019, 01:18:31 PM
Garrett Gilbert who has possibly never started a game in the NFL has a job in the NFL while Vince Young who was 30-17 as a starter does not.

I missed where Gilbert threw his helmet in the stands and made a fool.

And I have no problem assuming that backup QB's are held to higher maturity standards than starters.  If you're gonna have a pain in the ass on your team, he better be damn good.

Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: BrownCounty on January 03, 2019, 01:20:57 PM
Im sure most of you have seen this by now but just in case you haven't

City people don't know you're not supposed to run a little pooch up to a bull.  Steer or otherwise.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: BrownCounty on January 03, 2019, 01:26:18 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1080324999569989633 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1080324999569989633)

In a not so ironic twist, mark my words: Texas will be what takes down Alabama.  And thus, the S-E-C.

And again... pooooor Aggy.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 03, 2019, 05:53:20 PM
In a not so ironic twist, mark my words: Texas will be what takes down Alabama.  And thus, the S-E-C.

And again... pooooor Aggy.
Like a month ago you were telling us Herman was not up to snuff and now you're saying we're going to take down Bama?
Do you bump the guardrails on each side of the road when you drive?
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 03, 2019, 05:57:08 PM
In my opinion, Texas is where it was in 1999 or 2000.  It took another five years, five unbearable beatings by OU and the unleashing of VY to get from there to where we wanted to be.

I'll be happy if we win the Big 12 next year and only lose two games.  I want to enjoy the ascent.  I don't want to raise the dang bar so high, that I become an unhappy victim of my own unrealistic expectations.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: longhorn320 on January 03, 2019, 06:17:45 PM
In my opinion, Texas is where it was in 1999 or 2000.  It took another five years, five unbearable beatings by OU and the unleashing of VY to get from there to where we wanted to be.

I'll be happy if we win the Big 12 next year and only lose two games.  I want to enjoy the ascent.  I don't want to raise the dang bar so high, that I become an unhappy victim of my own unrealistic expectations.
This years Texas team reminds me a lot of our 2004 team
Our team at the end of the season was much better then the one that opened against the Terps
I just hope we keep going up
We had a decent 2019 recruiting class
Herman must be doing something right
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CousinFreddie on January 03, 2019, 06:49:01 PM
So, I can’t help but observe, that after all these years of Texas fans claiming, based on nothing but their own hot air, that Bob Stoops kicks puppies ...

It turns out that it was Bevo all along.

Ha ha - if he was a step quicker he might’ve launched poor little Uga into seats!
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: longhorn320 on January 03, 2019, 07:01:11 PM
That was by far the funniest BEVO clip Ive ever seen

I have a feeling he has gained a whole new respect from those around him and the fan base as well
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 03, 2019, 07:21:53 PM
Uga should be very happy Bevo is a steer and not a bull.  A bull that size would kill a half dozen dogs and photographers a week.

Wouldn’t that make a great 1970s ABC Sunday Night Movie?

Voiceover Announcer- “Sick of sophomoric sexual taunting by rivals, Texas takes an uncastrated longhorn bull to its bowl game...”

Sexy 70s woman - “Oh Bevo, you look so.... different.”

Darren McGavin-like journalist - “That’s not a steer.  That’s a bull!  Run!”

Crowd scream.  Shots of a huge longhorn bull tossing spectators at the Cotton Bowl.

Howard Cosell in the booth - “The caw-nage!”

A little girl in pig-tails screams, “Daddy!  Where’s my Daddy?”  As the shadow of the beast looms over her.

There’s a snort.  And a scream.

Voiceover announcer - “Bevo... the bull.  You’ll never go to a football game again.”
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: longhorn320 on January 03, 2019, 08:10:36 PM
I guess the idea that BEVO is given a sedative before games is false
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 03, 2019, 10:45:27 PM
I guess the idea that BEVO is given a sedative before games is false
That was DeLoss Dodd’s Bevo.  Chris Del Conte’s Bevo entertains.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2019, 11:13:12 PM
So, I can’t help but observe, that after all these years of Texas fans claiming, based on nothing but their own hot air, that Bob Stoops kicks puppies ...

It turns out that it was Bevo all along.

Ha ha - if he was a step quicker he might’ve launched poor little Uga into seats!
Now this is really funny, because it's true! :)
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: utee94 on January 08, 2019, 09:04:41 AM
Uga should be very happy Bevo is a steer and not a bull.  A bull that size would kill a half dozen dogs and photographers a week.

Wouldn’t that make a great 1970s ABC Sunday Night Movie?

Voiceover Announcer- “Sick of sophomoric sexual taunting by rivals, Texas takes an uncastrated longhorn bull to its bowl game...”

Sexy 70s woman - “Oh Bevo, you look so.... different.”

Darren McGavin-like journalist - “That’s not a steer.  That’s a bull!  Run!”

Crowd scream.  Shots of a huge longhorn bull tossing spectators at the Cotton Bowl.

Howard Cosell in the booth - “The caw-nage!”

A little girl in pig-tails screams, “Daddy!  Where’s my Daddy?”  As the shadow of the beast looms over her.

There’s a snort.  And a scream.

Voiceover announcer - “Bevo... the bull.  You’ll never go to a football game again.”
I'd watch that!
But it doesn't even need to be a TV movie, real disaster films were huge in the 70s.  Towering Inferno, Poseidon Adventure, Airport, Airport '75, Airport '77... you get my drift! :)
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 08, 2019, 09:31:20 AM
Thanks, Junior.

So... in light of Clemson's win last night, I wonder what the SEC narrative will be?   "Alabama didn't want to be there," perhaps?
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: longhorn320 on January 08, 2019, 10:09:08 AM
I would just like to point out that only 2 conference had winning records

in bowl games featuring P5 conference teams

Big 12 went 4 and 3

Big Ten went 5 and 4

the SEC went 5 and 6

The Pac 12 went 3 and 3 

and the ACC went  3 and 4

sec sec sec
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Gigem on January 08, 2019, 10:49:34 AM
Thanks, Junior.

So... in light of Clemson's win last night, I wonder what the SEC narrative will be?   "Alabama didn't want to be there," perhaps?
How about everybody just root for their own team.  Mine won, all I really care about.  Never was interested in carrying the SEC mantle.  I thoroughly enjoyed the whipping Clemson put on Bama, gave them a taste of their own medicine.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Mr Tulip on January 08, 2019, 11:30:55 AM
Re: Bevo

I own a Great Dane and have had a couple. Woody is a big, currently smelly animal who largely lays on the couch (he takes up an old reclining love seat no one else sits on). When I get home, he runs around in circles, gets petted, then runs off to find one of his toys to throw. We do this 3 or 4 times because that's all the motion he cares to expend.

He's also 36" at the shoulder, weighs 190 lbs, and is around 6' 4" standing on his back legs. Every once in awhile, when I'm winding him up by bumping him over or bulldogging his head, I remember that his breed used to run down and kill wolves by snapping their necks.

These massive animals have chosen to be our friends. Sometimes, though, they remind us of what the other choice would look like.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 08, 2019, 12:40:06 PM
How about everybody just root for their own team.  Mine won, all I really care about.  Never was interested in carrying the SEC mantle.  I thoroughly enjoyed the whipping Clemson put on Bama, gave them a taste of their own medicine.  
You're a good aggie, Gig'em.  There's no denying that.   Good aggies are kind of like cats who aren't jerks.  They're very rare but nice to have around.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 08, 2019, 12:47:05 PM
So when my irrepressibly sweet cute and adorable wife and I first got married, her father gave us one of his acres.  We had a cheap but affordable Jim Walters home put on it and we had a happy acre with my father-in-law's remaining 29 acres on two sides of us, a neighboring farmers 30 acres on the other side of us and an old feller with about 50 acres across the road from us.

The old feller raised goats and had donkeys to look after them.  My father-in-law and other next door neighbor raised the bare minimal number of cows to meet their agricultural property tax exemptions.  I think it was like 6 cows per 30 acres.  My father-in-law had longhorns.  The neighbor had anguses.

I was a city kid stuck between cow pastures, trying to not get involved but there were times I had to because cattle knock down fences more than Steve McQueen his stalag in The Great Escape.

I have to go to lunch now but if I get a chance, I may share a couple of anecdotes.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Gigem on January 08, 2019, 01:27:51 PM
JCG over the years you've told a lot of stories but the one that stood out to me about cows was how if PETA people really owned cows they would have no trouble eating them.  They are indeed a stupid animal.  I unfortunately own about 6 on 20 acres myself and deal with the headaches weekly.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: longhorn320 on January 08, 2019, 02:37:57 PM
JCG over the years you've told a lot of stories but the one that stood out to me about cows was how if PETA people really owned cows they would have no trouble eating them.  They are indeed a stupid animal.  I unfortunately own about 6 on 20 acres myself and deal with the headaches weekly.  
so its not true that youre all hat and no cattle 
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 08, 2019, 02:42:09 PM
JCG over the years you've told a lot of stories but the one that stood out to me about cows was how if PETA people really owned cows they would have no trouble eating them.  They are indeed a stupid animal.  I unfortunately own about 6 on 20 acres myself and deal with the headaches weekly.  
Yep.  Tis true, IMO.
To increase my net as a single guy in the ATX, I had become a vegetarian simply because meat-eating girls were generally not as opposed to vegetarian guys as vegetarian girls were to meat-eating guys.  
My i s c & a w was vegetarian too.  Many young women naturally gravitate that way.  Probably for a very specific health, digestion or hygiene advantage but I'm not curious enough to speculate what that might be.  I just know that men who care for their women are supposed to drink pineapple juice but that's all I'm going to say about that.

So when my i s c & a w got pregnant with our first son she started craving big juicy hamburgers.  We were DINKs (dual income/no kids) so I took her to Fuddrucker's every night.  It was the king of burger places in 1995.  One night she was so grateful for her burger she kissed me and the burger flavor in her kiss was so wonderful I stopped being a vegetarian too.
If I had become a vegetarian for humane reasons instead of predatory ones and if I had any qualms about eating animals, living on acreage would've removed all doubt.  The first six months we lived in our  new house, the same two cows stood just beyond the fence, eating grass, chewing their cud and looking at us.
That's when it occurred to me that contributing to the welfare of mankind through slaughter, rendering, butchering actually gave meaning and purpose to an otherwise dull and meaningless life.
I'm just talking about cows here and I would never dehumanize any of my fellow human beings so please do think I'm alluding to any deeper connotations.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 08, 2019, 02:51:12 PM
Gig'em, I'm sure you've had these same experiences.

My neighbors kept cows exclusively but they'd strike some deal to borrow a neighbors bull for a week or two and in springtime they'd all have calves.  If the calves were girls they'd keep them and take some of the older cows to market.  If they were boys they always went to market - eventually, when they were old enough.

Little bulls were cute.  Fearless to a point but skittish.  Stand in front of them they'd back down.  Until it was about time for market and they'd knock you down.  And they'd still be rather little.  Didn't even want to see what they'd be like when they were big and fearless.

Cows were manageable enough.  Every few months or so, a  deer would tangle the electric wire, the cows would figure it out, push down  fence and make their escape down the county road.  Always at night.  You'd hear the clomp, clomp, clomp on the asphalt followed by the inevitable car horn.

You'd have to run down the road and get in front of them.  As they tried to step around, you'd just have to step in front of them again.  It was just like basketball.  Eventually they'd stop trying, give you a dirty look and go home.  Cows were agreeable like that.

But there was the one time one got a tire around its head. 
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 08, 2019, 03:06:42 PM
i own the majority of a cow, from different donors, of course.  it's packed up in the freezer.  

camels are the dumbest of the dumb.  i can imagine an American Jersey attempting to discuss the mysteries of unrooted hay's sudden appearance with a camel and the camel just staring into space... 

true story: i was in the cab of a five ton BS'n with a buddy while we were staged on a patrol... there was a guy in the bed, sitting on the flip down troop bench at the back of that thing.  he was known for being less than intelligent, but was genuinely a good guy.  Some kid was herding the camels from one side of the road to the other and for reasons unknown decided to do so where we were staged.  The majority of the camels passed between the 5 ton and the 'follow' humvee immediately behind with maybe a 30 foot gap... one of the camels stops dead cold and this guy and it commence to a staring contest... 

my buddy and i are watching, but this guy doesn't know it.  

after a few seconds he reaches to his chest and unclips his pepper spray/CS dispenser, casually adjusts the nozzle of it, looks at the camel and back to the sprayer and gives one more adjustment... looks at the camel as he extends his arm in aim- pauses, slightly shifting his arm to the side and lowering it as if giving the camel 'one more chance', and then sprays the thing dead in the face.... 

the camel hardly moves for a second or two, and then slightly shakes its head... it then reared its head back and whips it forward, not only spitting but launching that nasty pepper-spray/CS laced wad of crap straight into this guys face.  

at this point me and my buddy in the cab are biting our lips to keep from laughing out loud and spoiling the scene.  

the guy on the back looks the the camel a second too long, then attends to reattaching the canister of spray back on his gear as if nothing happened.. .once that was accomplished he takes to wiping his face- but not before turning to look at us (no doubt to see if anyone had seen the incident) and that is when we lost it altogether... that crpa all over him was just too much... 

years later we still call this the 'meeting of the minds'... the guy who was spit on died about  20 years ago now... he got out of the Marine Corps and went to school in Arizona- where he was murdered by his room mate who apparently had some bad chemical dependencies and was prone to flipping out.  Shot him in his sleep. 

there is another tale of another guy who currently lives in Oklahoma where a camel in the road was less than decisive on which direction to go to get out of the way, and it started doing some funky high stepping which looked like a hackney horse doing jane fonda aerobics in the middle of the road... it looked like it finally decided to go left, and this guy went to drive by on the right when the camel changed its mind... this guy was driving a 'limo', which was a class 7 armored suburban... we had to explain to the DSS agents why the Ambassador's new 'limo' had a dent in the size and dimensions of a camels foot.... but it ended up he laughed too.  

i wish like hell i could have both of these incidents on film... they rank up there with the funniest things i've ever witnessed.  damn camels- they are dumb... 
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 08, 2019, 03:23:27 PM
So my father-in-law thought the best part of living in the country was being able to throw crap out in his pasture.  By the time I came into the picture, he'd been doing it for 30 years.  

One time one of his half-grown cows got a tire stuck around her head.  The i s c & a w and I and perhaps one or two toddler ninos were sitting on our porch drinking lemonade when we saw my father-in-law chasing around this half-grown cow with a tire stuck around her head.

After watching for a half hour or so, my i s c & w says to me, "Why don't you go help him?"  I looked at her like she was crazy but I was incentivized in those days to keep her happy so I wandered over through the gate separating our lands and said, "what's up?"

He says, "She's got a tire around her head and I'm trying to get it off."

I asked, "Need any help?" and turned to walk off cause he never wanted my help but he said OK.   I was in shorts and flip-flops. I hadn't even grown up in a small town, let alone the country.  I couldn't see this going well.

I did about the only thing I had been taught to do with cows, I got on the cows opposite side of my father-in-law and played basketball defense to keep it from getting past me.   Meanwhile my father-in-law roped it.  Easy enough, I thought, we're done.  

Nope.  F-I-L hands me the rope and says "Hold onto this while I go get my tractor."   So I stand there like the world biggest dork, holding a stupid looking cow with a tire around his neck on a rope.

20 minutes later my F-I-L putts back on his 1950s Ford tractor, takes the rope from me and drives into this little corral where he feeds the things.  I get to be gate man.  I'm working hard.

My F-I-L ties the loose end of the rope to the tractor and starts pulling out the slack and wrapping it around the back fender of the tractor until the cow is just five feet or so away from the tractor.   At this point he can just reach over and take the tire off.  Right?

No.  He reaches in and the cow goes mad and starts bucking and swinging its head like a bull in a rodeo.  And here's the thing that impressed me the most.  As she was bucking, she was jerking the tractor around the corral like it weighed about 50 lbs instead of 3000.

I backed up while my F-I-L fearlessly fought to remove the tire.  And he might've too.  Except that all the crazed mooing attracted all of the other cows, in particular this half-grown cow's momma, Becky, a ten year old longhorn with six foot from tip to tip horns.  Becky works her way through the stiles until she's in the corral with us where she inexplicably felt compelled to mount the younger cow.

Mass pandemonium.  I would've left right then but I just knew my father-in-law was going to get stomped to smithereens and I felt obligated to see it happen so I could call his name and politely wait for a response before running to call 9-1-1.

I did, however, back up the fence until I was sitting on it.  With my legs crossed.  I wasn't taking a tip of them horns where it hurt.

Somehow in the melee my father-in-law got tire off and everybody settled down for a minute.  I moved in to remove the tire cause I could just see somebody getting it stuck on their head again.  That's when my F-I-L moved in to loosen the rope from the cows neck.   Top cow fell off and stepped on my foot.  Fortunately the corral was muddy with something though it hadn't rained in weeks so my foot and flipflop went deep into the muck and nothing was broken but I didn't like it and my flipflop didn't come out with my foot and I was none too eager to put myself in the even more vulnerable and indefensible position of digging it out.  So I hobbled back to the fence where my wife and kids and mother-in-law and the old feller from across the road were standing.

Old feller said, "You lost a flipflop, boy."

I said, "yeah."

I asked my F-I-L what he was doing, he said, "Trying to get my rope."

I said "Cut the rope!"

"My oldest who was about four echoed, "Cut the rope!"

My second oldest who was about 18 months old yelled, "Cut the f----ing rope!"

Everybody just kind of stopped and pondered in stunned silence for a minute.

My F-I-L said, "It's good rope."

The old feller from across the road said, "You don't cut good rope."

I went home.  I had helped enough.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 08, 2019, 03:33:23 PM
i own the majority of a cow, from different donors, of course.  it's packed up in the freezer.  

camels are the dumbest of the dumb.  i can imagine an American Jersey attempting to discuss the mysteries of unrooted hay's sudden appearance with a camel and the camel just staring into space...

true story: i was in the cab of a five ton BS'n with a buddy while we were staged on a patrol... there was a guy in the bed, sitting on the flip down troop bench at the back of that thing.  he was known for being less than intelligent, but was genuinely a good guy.  Some kid was herding the camels from one side of the road to the other and for reasons unknown decided to do so where we were staged.  The majority of the camels passed between the 5 ton and the 'follow' humvee immediately behind with maybe a 30 foot gap... one of the camels stops dead cold and this guy and it commence to a staring contest...

my buddy and i are watching, but this guy doesn't know it.  

after a few seconds he reaches to his chest and unclips his pepper spray/CS dispenser, casually adjusts the nozzle of it, looks at the camel and back to the sprayer and gives one more adjustment... looks at the camel as he extends his arm in aim- pauses, slightly shifting his arm to the side and lowering it as if giving the camel 'one more chance', and then sprays the thing dead in the face....

the camel hardly moves for a second or two, and then slightly shakes its head... it then reared its head back and whips it forward, not only spitting but launching that nasty pepper-spray/CS laced wad of crap straight into this guys face.  

at this point me and my buddy in the cab are biting our lips to keep from laughing out loud and spoiling the scene.  

the guy on the back looks the the camel a second too long, then attends to reattaching the canister of spray back on his gear as if nothing happened.. .once that was accomplished he takes to wiping his face- but not before turning to look at us (no doubt to see if anyone had seen the incident) and that is when we lost it altogether... that crpa all over him was just too much...

years later we still call this the 'meeting of the minds'... the guy who was spit on died about  20 years ago now... he got out of the Marine Corps and went to school in Arizona- where he was murdered by his room mate who apparently had some bad chemical dependencies and was prone to flipping out.  Shot him in his sleep.

there is another tale of another guy who currently lives in Oklahoma where a camel in the road was less than decisive on which direction to go to get out of the way, and it started doing some funky high stepping which looked like a hackney horse doing jane fonda aerobics in the middle of the road... it looked like it finally decided to go left, and this guy went to drive by on the right when the camel changed its mind... this guy was driving a 'limo', which was a class 7 armored suburban... we had to explain to the DSS agents why the Ambassador's new 'limo' had a dent in the size and dimensions of a camels foot.... but it ended up he laughed too.  

i wish like hell i could have both of these incidents on film... they rank up there with the funniest things i've ever witnessed.  damn camels- they are dumb...
I liked these stories!
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: Gigem on January 08, 2019, 05:07:31 PM
JCG I sorta remember that story from long ago (CNNSI days!) and it's as funny as ever.  When you told me about how you felt about eating cows I hadn't yet acquired any (I married into cows myself).  I can see you spoke truth in everything about it down to the getting the rope back part.  
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 08, 2019, 05:35:08 PM
You're very kind, Gig'em.

You know... my second oldest son is 20 now and he still cusses like a sailor.  Only one in the family who cusses but he's been doing it since he was a baby.

Oh well.  Could be worse. He's a good kid.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: FearlessF on January 10, 2019, 07:51:49 PM
Charley,

You're in mid-off-season form

well done
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on January 11, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
It was good seeing you and mini-Phil at Crazy Eyes in the ATX.   Always a pleasure to see you.  You’re a good guy.  I like the way you talk. That midwestern choice of phrases reminds me of Fargo.  Heck I even enjoyed hearing you share a piece of your ideological point of view even though I’m on the complete other side of the ideological spectrum.  It was civil, it was human, it was reasonable.  We should be senators.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: utee94 on January 11, 2019, 03:15:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjfd4hnE-PI
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: longhorn320 on January 11, 2019, 08:58:26 PM
Just saw UT finished the year ranked 8th

Not bad for a 4 loss team

In fact I dont remember a 4 loss team being in the top 10 ever

oh well stuff happens when thay love ya
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: CWSooner on January 11, 2019, 09:11:42 PM
Auburn finished 10-4 and was ranked AP #10 just last year, 320.  But I think that's the only other time.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: longhorn320 on January 11, 2019, 09:44:19 PM
Auburn finished 10-4 and was ranked AP #10 just last year, 320.  But I think that's the only other time.



really wow Id of lost that bar bet
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: FearlessF on January 11, 2019, 10:36:55 PM
It was good seeing you and mini-Phil at Crazy Eyes in the ATX.   Always a pleasure to see you.  You’re a good guy.  I like the way you talk. That midwestern choice of phrases reminds me of Fargo.  Heck I even enjoyed hearing you share a piece of your ideological point of view even though I’m on the complete other side of the ideological spectrum.  It was civil, it was human, it was reasonable.  We should be senators.
always a pleasure
we should be senators
get some things resolved for the better
I don't mind folks that have other views A Tall, as long as they are good people with good values and good souls.
You are a good dude, Hooky.  Glad to know you are getting along well in life.
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: FearlessF on January 11, 2019, 10:37:59 PM
Just saw UT finished the year ranked 8th

Not bad for a 4 loss team

In fact I dont remember a 4 loss team being in the top 10 ever

oh well stuff happens when thay love ya
Utee has always enjoyed rooting for a "helmet"
Title: Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
Post by: utee94 on January 12, 2019, 04:17:53 PM
Utee has always enjoyed rooting for a "helmet"
word