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Title: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 19, 2018, 11:22:55 PM
Les is fired up, are you?

https://twitter.com/TomKCTV5/status/1064307420917366785?s=19
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: jhetfield99 on November 20, 2018, 02:14:10 AM
So fantastic.

I so badly wanted him back in the Big Ten on one of the last 2 hiring sprees (1st round was back when Mich was was supposedly trying hard to pull him from LSU, in what, like 2010?). Dude would add so much value and entertainment to the weekly presser and anything on BTN. Entertaining like Spurrier but for different quotable reasons.

Also, if you Les need
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: jhetfield99 on November 20, 2018, 02:15:37 AM
I'm sure its a matter of freezing in any type of pressure moment, but man was that bad with a hot mic. Lesticles def gave this gal and the Iraq a run for their money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Temp430 on November 20, 2018, 08:33:43 AM
Les knows the Big 12.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 20, 2018, 08:41:39 AM
Probably a good hire for Kansas, creates "news" and may attract some recruits who might otherwise not consider it.  The bar is low obviously.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 20, 2018, 08:42:29 AM
The two coaches that have some cache include Brohm of course and probably Stoops at UK.

UNC is going to be looking for a coach at some point, unless they just quit trying.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on November 20, 2018, 08:49:48 AM
KU doesn't have the resources that LSU or even oSu has.  The fact that they were able to even land ole Les is a minor miracle in and of itself.  As was already stated, he knows the Big 12.  He helped make oSu a quasi-power.  While I'd be shocked if he won big, I think he can at least make them a consistent bowl contender.

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 20, 2018, 08:55:20 AM
Les knows the Big 12.
I dunno, he coached there like 15 years ago. It's not even the same teams anymore.
He "knows" Bill Snyder, perhaps.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 20, 2018, 09:09:17 AM
He's a name, one of few out there.  I see this as a good hire, not that Miles will have them winning conferences, but they might be able to make minor bowls as noted above on some reasonable basis.

Look where Purdue was 3-4 years back, almost Rutger territory.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on November 20, 2018, 01:46:16 PM
Speaking of Rutgers, they need to drop the dead weight and start afresh.

I think Army's Jeff Monken would work wonders in Piscataway.  Rutgers could become the GT of the B1G.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 20, 2018, 01:54:30 PM
Speaking of Rutgers, they need to drop the dead weight and start afresh.

I think Army's Jeff Monken would work wonders in Piscataway.  Rutgers could become the GT of the B1G.
I think it's a given that Ash is out, but I think it's a different Big Ten school who has a better shot at Monken, Illinois.  Monken grew up in Peoria and went to college in Decatur.  Both are about an hour from Champaign.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 20, 2018, 01:57:25 PM
Teams may have to look at assistants which are generally less well know to fans.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on November 20, 2018, 04:07:25 PM
I think it's a given that Ash is out, but I think it's a different Big Ten school who has a better shot at Monken, Illinois.  Monken grew up in Peoria and went to college in Decatur.  Both are about an hour from Champaign.
It's certainly possible.  I just don't think Illinois is ready to part ways with Lovie yet, especially when he's got them on the cusp of bowl eligibility this year.  Regardless of this weekend's outcome, I think he gets at least one more year.

Lance Leipold @ Buffalo might be an intriguing option too, but like Monken, Illinois could be attractive since it's not all that far from his stomping grounds (WI).

That said, I wouldn't be shocked if both coaches get a crack at something far better than RU or UI-UC.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 20, 2018, 06:20:35 PM
My prediction right now: Les will fail at KU.

Les miles is IMHO a little too much "smashmouth big-boy football" for a team that doesn't have serious talent. Couple that with the fact that the entire rest of the conference is all high-flying offenses. I don't see how he's going to be able to keep up unless he's FAR more adaptable than I think.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 20, 2018, 07:09:23 PM
I think he can perk them up into a 6 win kind of team half the time.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 20, 2018, 07:12:21 PM
My prediction right now: Les will fail at KU.

Les miles is IMHO a little too much "smashmouth big-boy football" for a team that doesn't have serious talent. Couple that with the fact that the entire rest of the conference is all high-flying offenses. I don't see how he's going to be able to keep up unless he's FAR more adaptable than I think.
That was my initial take.  But the Big 12 ain't the Big Ten, here you zig while others zag to overcome a talent gap.  So in the Big XII you have to zag, so playing different looks different.  Maybe running a full back at a linebacker who would be a safety in the Big Ten works.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 20, 2018, 07:13:53 PM
Does KU have a natural grass field?  I presume they do.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 20, 2018, 07:17:58 PM
Does KU have a natural grass field?  I presume they do.
No . That's the actual issue.  Although I don't think Oklahoma State did either, Cowboys didn't, and Michigan only did for his last couple years there.  So not sure when he picked that up.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MarqHusker on November 20, 2018, 10:14:10 PM
He ate the grass in a 2010 Bama game, that's the first time I remember seeing him do it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on November 21, 2018, 08:44:35 AM
That was my initial take.  But the Big 12 ain't the Big Ten, here you zig while others zag to overcome a talent gap.  So in the Big XII you have to zag, so playing different looks different.  Maybe running a full back at a linebacker who would be a safety in the Big Ten works.
I think he'll be quasi-successful.  I don't think it's asking too much to have KU field a top-3 defense in the league, and as long as the offense is competent, the Jayhawks can win 5-7 games most years.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 21, 2018, 09:02:48 AM
Yup, I think KU with some judicious scheduling can win 3 OOC games a year and then clip 3 conference games somewhere, in most years.

Les might snag a few recruits who otherwise would have gone to say Baylor or even TCU and upgrade the quality of the talent base.

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 21, 2018, 01:22:53 PM
That was my initial take.  But the Big 12 ain't the Big Ten, here you zig while others zag to overcome a talent gap.  So in the Big XII you have to zag, so playing different looks different.  Maybe running a full back at a linebacker who would be a safety in the Big Ten works.
I get that... Tiller came in to the 3 yards and a cloud Big Ten, and was able to spread everyone out and get his WRs on linebackers and open it up. Once the spread took over in the B1G, Wisconsin did the opposite and said "we're going to run down your throats; try and stop us."
I think it works for Wisconsin as they're in a decently populous state and the only P5 program in the state. I'm not sure Kansas can duplicate that. They're in a state with half the population and share the P5 with KSU.
So I get it... Maybe if he wanted to go completely off the res and run triple option, I could see it. But taking a school that has never been a football powerhouse, in a low-population state, with a lot of recruiting competition, and running a big-boy smashmouth football offense? I don't buy it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on November 21, 2018, 02:38:37 PM

Well, KS is a fairly small state, but Lawrence is within spitting distance of Kansas City, and isn't all that far from St. Louis and even DFW.  And maybe with the connections Les has, he might have an easier time recruiting TX, AR, OK, and LA.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 21, 2018, 02:52:11 PM
I think he'll get some "3 star" type players who might have not considered KU.  He might snag a QB diamond in the rough and have a pretty good year sometime.  Some Texas HS players who think they will ride the pine elsewhere might give him a shot.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Hawkinole on November 21, 2018, 03:25:43 PM
Probably a good hire for Kansas, creates "news" and may attract some recruits who might otherwise not consider it.  The bar is low obviously.
Les Miles is 65. I think he'll do better at Kansas than what's-his-name, the arrogant one, oh -- Charlie Weiss. But overall, I believe it is not a great hire. I agree with many of the comments -- by reputation he will get some 3* athletes who maybe he can develop into 6-7 win seasons, but I doubt Less has many of those seasons left in his tank. I suppose he could be viewed as a stepping stone coach who might get some better recruits in, and then retire a few years later after improving the program, some.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Hawkinole on November 21, 2018, 03:35:45 PM
I think it's a given that Ash is out, but I think it's a different Big Ten school who has a better shot at Monken, Illinois.  Monken grew up in Peoria and went to college in Decatur.  Both are about an hour from Champaign.
It's too bad for Ash because I think he is a pretty good coach. When you start the year with a plethora of player suspensions for credit card fraud, and at least one dismissal, you start the season seriously disadvantaged.
At Rutgers it wasn't the coach getting into trouble for a change. Is it bad luck that someone brought these people on campus?
Seems to me if I were Chris Ash, I would be in touch with the A.D. and then announce I am hiring a "life coach" for the football team -- someone who doesn't coach football, but mentors student social conduct. Iowa had to make that type of a hire several years ago after a season or maybe it was a few seasons where there were serious misconduct issues. Some students need some extra life mentoring.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on November 21, 2018, 03:36:30 PM
Here are some points to consider:

1) Les Miles was only in Stillwater for four seasons, winning 28 games.  He went 4-7 in 2001 but averaged 8 in his last 3.  He beat OU in his first season, where he went 4-7.  He went oh-fer the next three.
2) He succeeded Bob Simmons, who went 30-38 in the 6 seasons prior.  Miles was an upgrade, but he wasn't exactly night-and-day better.
3) Miles' successor, Mike Gundy, has won nearly 70% of his games since 2005.  He's already the winningest coach in program history.  Once can argue that Miles laid the groundwork for Gundy to succeed, but more likely it's because T. Boone Pickens opened up his pocketbooks and helped fund all the shiny new toys oSu has gotten over the past few years.  Would oSu have the same profile now had Miles stuck around?
4) Kansas and oSu, as programs, weren't very different from each other 15 years ago, but they have since veered off in opposite directions.  The Cowboys are perennial B12 contenders, and KU is lucky to win more than one conference game a year.  I don't think Kansas has a sugar-daddy like Pickens, but maybe some of their boosters would be more inclined to invest in the football program if Miles gave them something worth investing in.  He has won a national championship and coached in another, so maybe they're serious about making KU football respectable.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MichiFan87 on November 21, 2018, 05:26:54 PM
I don't quite get the Miles hiring, but it's a temporary solution if nothing else. If Kansas isn't stupid there shouldn't be much of a buyout. That said, it's basically like the Indiana job, so it's such a difficult though now impossible place to win. However, Kansas State is already falling off and depending on who replaces Snyder will determine if they can remain at all relevant, too. Iowa State will probably fall back once Campbell leaves, too.

I'm even more confused by the James Franklin to USC rumors. I think this year is proving that Moorhead was the brains behind the operation. In retrospect, his unusual success at Vanderbilt makes even less sense.

The more intriguing openings to me are at the non-power conference level, though. I think Charlotte should be a premier program in CUSA and same goes for Texas State in the Sun Belt, if they make the right hires. Bowling Green is also historically a top MAC program that made a terrible hire when Babers left.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 21, 2018, 06:11:29 PM
Everyone, even Maryland fans keep doubting Franklin. Don't know why.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Hawkinole on November 25, 2018, 12:30:15 AM
Chris Ash gets another year at Rutgers. If he can keep 10% of his team out of criminal court, things will get better. Recruiting could become difficult, though, after a year like this one. http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25368604/rutgers-retain-coach-chris-ash-going-1-11-winless-big-ten (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25368604/rutgers-retain-coach-chris-ash-going-1-11-winless-big-ten)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on November 25, 2018, 09:27:42 AM
Everything is difficult at Rutgers.  The wheels really came off for them this year.  Going forward, they really need stability on in the offensive coaching staff.  I think he's had three different offensive coordinators in his three years.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 25, 2018, 09:59:55 AM
Someone needs to look at Lance Leipold in this version of the carnage. Look at what he's done at Buffalo, and before that at UW-Whitewater. The man can coach football.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 25, 2018, 01:15:12 PM
Fedora whacked at UNC. Kingsbury buried at Texas Tech.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 25, 2018, 05:04:16 PM
Lovie gets an extension to coach at Illinois through 2023. WTF?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 25, 2018, 05:33:59 PM
UNC just resigned Fedora recently so they will be paying him for a few years to come.  They may not have money to pay a medium level coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 25, 2018, 06:09:58 PM
Basketball can fund football at that place.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 25, 2018, 06:21:18 PM
Some chatter about Mack Brown to UNC? He might come cheap. It's not like he's in need of a big payday. He's also a class act and a pretty good CEO with the right help.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Gigem on November 25, 2018, 08:35:12 PM

4) Kansas and oSu, as programs, weren't very different from each other 15 years ago, but they have since veered off in opposite directions.  The Cowboys are perennial B12 contenders, and KU is lucky to win more than one conference game a year.  I don't think Kansas has a sugar-daddy like Pickens, but maybe some of their boosters would be more inclined to invest in the football program if Miles gave them something worth investing in.  He has won a national championship and coached in another, so maybe they're serious about making KU football respectable.
Damn how can you all forget that Mangino took KU to a BCS bowl and beat Va Tech?  Sure, it was 10+ years ago but it did happen and Mangino had a very decent program there.  

KU made a terrible mistake when they hired ? Turner Gill followed by Charlie Weis.  Those two guys sunk the program.  At least I think it was Turner Gill that followed Mangino.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 25, 2018, 08:40:50 PM
Damn how can you all forget that Mangino took KU to a BCS bowl and beat Va Tech?  Sure, it was 10+ years ago but it did happen and Mangino had a very decent program there.  

KU made a terrible mistake when they hired ? Turner Gill followed by Charlie Weis.  Those two guys sunk the program.  At least I think it was Turner Gill that followed Mangino.  

"weren't very different from each other 15 years ago, but they have since veered off in opposite directions"



I think that's kinda what he was getting at. Mangino did wonders and it will take wonders to accomplish same - especially now that OU and Texas appear to be up at the same time. Miles will have to climb over a bunch of teams in his way - starting with the one up the road.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on November 25, 2018, 08:42:51 PM
Lovie gets an extension to coach at Illinois through 2023. WTF?
it's Illinois
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2018, 09:41:00 AM
According to Dan Patrick - Mack Brown took the Head Coaching job @ N.Carolina
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on November 26, 2018, 09:48:51 AM
According to Dan Patrick - Mack Brown took the Head Coaching job @ N.Carolina
I mean, ok.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 26, 2018, 09:59:00 AM
According to Dan Patrick - Mack Brown took the Head Coaching job @ N.Carolina
Set up to take back over at Texas in 2023.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 26, 2018, 10:59:40 AM
It's been decades of course, but I clearly recall walking into "work" on Saturdays and hearing applause at Kenan Stadium along the lines of a tennis match.

It was very polite applause.

It was different.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Entropy on November 26, 2018, 11:12:01 AM
I think he'll get some "3 star" type players who might have not considered KU.  He might snag a QB diamond in the rough and have a pretty good year sometime.  Some Texas HS players who think they will ride the pine elsewhere might give him a shot.
and all that would be an improvement over what they have..  Success at KU is establish 6 wins and bowl games as a norm and build from there.   Maybe in 5 years you land the 4 star DE from the KC metro area and the 5 star RB from Wichita... but not on day one.   KSU is heading back to historic KSU levels.   Also...The Juco league in Kansas is wide open, unlike the 90's when KSU owned it.   The timing benefits Les...
I'd also say being different in the BIG12 isn't all bad.   He could end up being that tough game to prepare for since his offense is so different.  
The key, imo, is in the expectations.  If the fans and administration believes in 4 years they're playing with OU, he will be a fail.  If they believe they can win 6 games a season in 4 years, he'll be a success.   Mangino had time to build things..  I still believe it can be done again.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 26, 2018, 11:21:44 AM
If Kansas fans think they will be competing with OU in four years ....
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2018, 12:01:59 PM
 If they believe they can win 6 games a season in 4 years, he'll be a success.   Mangino had time to build things..  I still believe it can be done again.
Mangino & Mason both had 2 real good years there but it's just a tough gig.Even to get perennial 6 win squads
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 26, 2018, 01:07:58 PM
We've seen teams from Stanford, NW, Duke, etc. be pretty good teams in recent years.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Entropy on November 26, 2018, 01:23:52 PM
the right staff for the institution can do wonders for winning games....
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 26, 2018, 01:28:59 PM
I think we can agree that 2-3-4 programs currently in the dumpster are going to be credible teams in 5-7 years, probably not playoff level teams, but maybe one will (Washington did it).

If Kansas managed that, we'd be suitably impressed with Les obv.  TCU and Baylor were once considered awful, but they had solid years, some great years, before ebbing.

The right coach, and staff, indeed can make a difference at the most unlikely program, but they may not stay.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2018, 05:47:43 PM
Jeff Brohm met with Louisville AD today.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 27, 2018, 06:46:14 PM
Mangino must be one of the best coaches in the bizz to have Kansas humming the way he did. I can't believe that no one has ever taken a flier on him. 

It's not like Kansas faded away after he left, they were immediately putrid. He really got a lot out of a thin roster. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 27, 2018, 06:46:59 PM
Jeff Brohm met with Louisville AD today.
Hate to hear that.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 27, 2018, 07:35:42 PM
Dakich is calling the Louisville/MSU game tonight.

What's the over/under on how many times he brings up the Brohm to Louisville rumors? 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 27, 2018, 08:09:30 PM
Okay. 

Locks is supposed to meet after the Bama CCG, at Maryland. 

If offered, he'll accept. 

Canada will likely get an interview, just cause, and UGA's DC as well.

I hope it's Locks, but if I know Maryland, they'll screw this up by getting Mel Tucker
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2018, 08:18:55 PM
Okay.

Locks is supposed to meet after the Bama CCG, at Maryland.

If offered, he'll accept.

Canada will likely get an interview, just cause, and UGA's DC as well.

I hope it's Locks, but if I know Maryland, they'll screw this up by getting Mel Tucker
Locksley can recruit. That’s it. Why would Maryland fans even want him?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2018, 08:42:09 PM
surprisingly looks like Clay Helton is going to keep his job at USC. He fired the entire staff but kept Michigan cast off Tim Drevno. Makes sense. Not. Lol.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 27, 2018, 11:15:29 PM
Locksley can recruit. That’s it. Why would Maryland fans even want him?
We have no idea what he can do. 
Being a HC at New Mexico is no gauge of what he can do.
He's had time with a few of the best in the business, so maybe he's learned a thing or 2 since.
I didn't like his offense, but it's working in Bama. If he can lock down the DMV, which many current and former players feels like he can do, he's perfect for keeping this team together, as we'd likely be seeing a movement out of the program, destroying whatever DJ accomplished. 
We need stability right now, and he can bring it. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2018, 08:18:35 AM
surprisingly looks like Clay Helton is going to keep his job at USC. He fired the entire staff but kept Michigan cast off Tim Drevno. Makes sense. Not. Lol.
Well maybe Canada will be the OC for the Trojans,be tempting if Maryland doesn't retain him.Be tough on the family moving again however.Was Drevno that bad?He was an o-line coach for a long time,he coached rb's in AA correct?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2018, 08:39:50 AM
Jeff Brohm met with Louisville AD today.
Isn't L'ville hemorrhaging cash?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 28, 2018, 11:38:19 AM
Former UM QB and current Boston College OC Soctt Loeffler takes over at Bowling Green.

Which puts him on a trajectory to take over for Harbaugh in...2022?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2018, 11:41:53 AM
Former UM QB and current Boston College OC Soctt Loeffler takes over at Bowling Green.

Which puts him on a trajectory to take over for Harbaugh in...2022?
MDot says "NOW!!" dammit.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2018, 01:56:41 PM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-Tech-Paul-Johnson-retiring-125506457/?fbclid=IwAR22bqFXtpOPcZIMqLRlSRRUoMw0cFX9choFFR5nBCr3sIVaLaCnad1E-mc

Johnson out at Tech?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2018, 02:27:46 PM
Did you see that on the side bar CD
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2018, 02:31:17 PM
I don't even see a side bar at all, so no.

Tech will be a mess without Johnson, but they largely were anyway.  They had zero offensive scores against UGA until late in the game against the scout team.

https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/report-paul-johnson-retire/QcI2vsYcRSFmEZrJ6AdTWN/
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2018, 02:41:47 PM
https://www.cfb51.com/pub/?p=111142


From our side bar.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on November 28, 2018, 02:51:38 PM
I see it, if I scroll up
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2018, 02:52:36 PM
Oh, off to the side, why didn't you say so?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2018, 02:54:50 PM
Well the Side Bar could be a Pub so I understand your confusion


Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on November 28, 2018, 02:56:26 PM
Well the Side Bar could have been a pub so I understand the confusion
that's what I was looking for when I spotted Paul Johnson's pic
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 28, 2018, 03:39:29 PM
Well maybe Canada will be the OC for the Trojans,be tempting if Maryland doesn't retain him.Be tough on the family moving again however.Was Drevno that bad?He was an o-line coach for a long time,he coached rb's in AA correct?
I think Kingsbury is being looked at for the USC OC position.
I wouldn't be surprised if Canada stays as OC for Maryland.
However, I think Meyer is trying to poach him at Ohio State.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2018, 04:47:47 PM
The guy has to be batshit crazy to move that many times.Unless he rents during the season,sheesh,just think the allure of the Coliseum and the Trojan War Machine would get his attention.But as I understand it Klingsbury wouldn't be a bad hire either.Not sure Urbz would try to grab him as Day/Wilson aren't too bad.Previous O.C.'s however........
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2018, 05:47:02 PM
MDot says "NOW!!" dammit.
Mdot says no thanks lol. 
Loeffler isn’t the answer. He’s mediocre as they come. You don’t let go of Harbaugh for that.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2018, 05:47:58 PM
Apparently Louisville recruits/commits are saying they’ve been told by the AD that Jeff Brohm will be their next coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2018, 05:49:01 PM
I think Kingsbury is being looked at for the USC OC position.
I wouldn't be surprised if Canada stays as OC for Maryland.
However, I think Meyer is trying to poach him at Ohio State.
Harbaugh needs to get off his friggin ass and fire Pep and offer $1.5 mil a year to Kingsburry and Canada and let the first one to say yes take the job.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: bayareabadger on November 28, 2018, 05:53:28 PM
I don't even see a side bar at all, so no.

Tech will be a mess without Johnson, but they largely were anyway.  They had zero offensive scores against UGA until late in the game against the scout team.

https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/report-paul-johnson-retire/QcI2vsYcRSFmEZrJ6AdTWN/
Where this goes will be interesting. Everyone stares up and down that’s a sleeping giant, but man do I not see it. 
PJ leaves with the fourth-best winning percentage in program history, behind Heisman, Dodd and O’Leary. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: bayareabadger on November 28, 2018, 05:54:05 PM
Harbaugh needs to get off his friggin ass and fire Pep and offer $1.5 mil a year to Kingsburry and Canada and let the first one to say yes take the job.
Kliff likely going NFL.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2018, 06:00:28 PM
Kliff likely going NFL.
Harbaugh still needs to stop being a shit head and fire Pep and go out and offer a top notch OC top dollar and full control.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2018, 06:01:58 PM
Harbaugh needs to get off his friggin ass and fire Pep and offer $1.5 mil a year to Kingsburry and Canada and let the first one to say yes take the job.
I don't think Canada would last until lunchtime on the first day with Harbaugh. The guy needs complete autonomy to function right, like Don Brown has with the defense. Harbaugh ain't giving anyone the keys to the offense. No chance.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: rolltidefan on November 28, 2018, 06:04:53 PM
tenn supposedly looking at hugh freeze as oc.

also, anyone care to explain the au/gus contract adjustment to me? nothing about it makes sense to me.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2018, 06:08:34 PM
I don't think Canada would last until lunchtime on the first day with Harbaugh. The guy needs complete autonomy to function right, like Don Brown has with the defense. Harbaugh ain't giving anyone the keys to the offense. No chance.
Unfortunately I agree. And I think it’s why he won’t last at Michigan. He’ll be fired and back to the NFL in about 3 years I think. Once he’s 0-7 vs OSU bc he refuses to change they’ll run him out of town.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2018, 06:18:08 PM
tenn supposedly looking at hugh freeze as oc.

also, anyone care to explain the au/gus contract adjustment to me? nothing about it makes sense to me.
Perhaps he took a pay cut to spend more on asst's - just guessin'.Not real sure on the rest of it but the HC should be able to run the gridiron end of it as he sees fit.As long as he stays with in the budget/rules/regulations.Or Gus should tell them to butt out or fire him.Unless he really likes the job.Haven't read up on it a lot though

According to Dawgs 247 -
To buy out Malzahn’s contract and make a change would cost approximately $32 million with some $15 million due in 30 days and the rest to be paid in four annual installments.

If that's accurate it doesn't appear they have that much leverage over Gus.Ponying up 15 mil in 2 weeks to walk.Sounds like the Admn's should be bitch slapping someone else,like each other.If I'm a donor well I wouldn't be anymore
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2018, 06:29:34 PM
Perhaps he took a pay cut to spend more on asst's - just guessin'.Not real sure on the rest of it but the HC should be able to run the gridiron end of it as he sees fit.As long as he stays with in the budget/rules/regulations.Or Gus should tell them to butt out or fire him.Unless he really likes the job.Haven't read up on it a lot though

According to Dawgs 247 -
To buy out Malzahn’s contract and make a change would cost approximately $32 million with some $15 million due in 30 days and the rest to be paid in four annual installments.

If that's accurate it doesn't appear they have that much leverage over Gus.Ponying up 15 mil in 2 weeks to walk.Sounds like the Admn's should be bitch slapping someone else.If I'm a donor well I wouldn't be anymore
Yeah, well you (and the rest of us here) are not like them

The BIG money guys donate so they can be attached to the program and be a "part" of the team. Nothing is going to stop them from this crap. They are coach/AD wannabe's that happen to have a ton of coin to drop on football programs (and in some cases, on kids and their families). It's a sick-ass world.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on November 28, 2018, 06:31:26 PM
Pat Forde reporting that Brohm is STAYING
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2018, 06:34:19 PM
Pat Forde reporting that Brohm is STAYING
He’s one of the best and he’s got ties to L’Ville so he’d know for sure. 
Holy moly. Consider me shocked a little bit. The Cards must’ve really low balled him on money or maybe his staff budget. Should’ve been a slam dunk for them to snatch him if they really put forth the effort.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on November 28, 2018, 06:38:27 PM
That's huge for Purdue.  Brohm is from Lousiville and went to Louisville.  That he would turn them down would suggest to me he's in it for the long haul at Purdue.  Not that he would never leave, but he's clearly not looking to job hop.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 28, 2018, 06:45:08 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:singing:
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2018, 06:48:03 PM
That's huge for Purdue.  Brohm is from Lousiville and went to Louisville.  That he would turn them down would suggest to me he's in it for the long haul at Purdue.  Not that he would never leave, but he's clearly not looking to job hop.
Not only did he play there but so did his dad and his two brothers. 
He was a hot shot HS QB recruit in the 80s and he turned down Notre Dame and Florida State and a host of othe late 80s  powers to play at Louisville. 
If he’s turning that down with all his ties there- I’ve got to think he’s at Purdue for the long haul.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on November 28, 2018, 06:50:20 PM
BTW the B1G West getting mighty tough.  Purdue, Nebraska, and Minnesota seem destined to improve.  Wisconsin will probably be better.  Iowa is consistently Iowa and Northwestern is consistently Northwestern.  Even Illinois might turn into a legit team next year.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 28, 2018, 06:53:21 PM
Probably testing for a bigger contract. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2018, 06:58:38 PM
The Tech fans are very split about changing offensive styles.  I hope they do.  They of course claim their academics prevents them from being able to recruit football talent to any degree.

Stanford, Northwestern, and to some extent Duke ponder that questions as well.

Tech's problem has been location, right in the middle of some powerhouse programs with a far lower reputation for football.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: WhiskeyM on November 28, 2018, 07:01:39 PM
The timing just wasn't right.  Brohm only put in 2 years.  He has kids at Purdue, and committed to Purdue, that would never have been there otherwise.

Brohm has too much  integrity to just walk away from an incomplete job.  He has his first real recruits, a top 25 recruiting class, coming in.  Most of which surely would have gone sonewhere else if he left.  Purdue would have been back to square 1.

It wasn't really about money.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2018, 07:06:19 PM
Probably testing for a bigger contract.
I don't think so. I think he gave them a courtesy interview and told them the timing was not right. Also in the back of his mind might have been the slime factory his alma mater has become.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on November 28, 2018, 07:06:42 PM
The Tech fans are very split about changing offensive styles.  I hope they do.  They of course claim their academics prevents them from being able to recruit football talent to any degree.

Stanford, Northwestern, and to some extent Duke ponder that questions as well.

Tech's problem has been location, right in the middle of some powerhouse programs with a far lower reputation for football.
Some reports that they want Clemson OC Tony Elliott
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 28, 2018, 07:07:27 PM
If he’s turning that down with all his ties there- I’ve got to think he’s at Purdue for the long haul.
I still don't know about "long haul".
I see a couple ideas here:

I don't remember when he said it (either just before or just after the IU game) that Louisville wasn't his "dream job". I doubt Purdue is his "dream job" either. But if he wants the springboard to whatever that dream job is, his road is easier to continue his build Purdue, as he has more of a foundation in place, and fewer off-field and institutional insecurity at Purdue than Louisville.

Either way, I'm pretty happy right now.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 28, 2018, 07:35:39 PM
Who is watching the Syracuse / OSU game?

Dakich is calling it. His commentating partner is roasting him about tweeting that Brohm was going to Louisville.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2018, 07:39:23 PM
I imagine Brohm drives down to Laville periodically and will do so in the future as well.

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2018, 09:00:43 PM
Yeah, well you (and the rest of us here) are not like them.

The BIG money guys donate so they can be attached to the program and be a "part" of the team. Nothing is going to stop them from this crap. They are coach/AD wannabe's that happen to have a ton of coin to drop on football programs (and in some cases, on kids and their families). It's a sick-ass world.
Might be their prerogative but it shouldn't be their priority.It's really too bad but you're spot on

BTW good for the Boilers/Fans Brohm's staying.Be a pain playing the babbling Dabo's every season and the Noles will rise from the ashes sooner or later.He's in a better place,now that all the hooey has been dealt can't wait to even the slate with the bastage
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: rolltidefan on November 28, 2018, 09:57:16 PM
Perhaps he took a pay cut to spend more on asst's - just guessin'.Not real sure on the rest of it but the HC should be able to run the gridiron end of it as he sees fit.As long as he stays with in the budget/rules/regulations.Or Gus should tell them to butt out or fire him.Unless he really likes the job.Haven't read up on it a lot though

According to Dawgs 247 -
To buy out Malzahn’s contract and make a change would cost approximately $32 million with some $15 million due in 30 days and the rest to be paid in four annual installments.

If that's accurate it doesn't appear they have that much leverage over Gus.Ponying up 15 mil in 2 weeks to walk.Sounds like the Admn's should be bitch slapping someone else,like each other.If I'm a donor well I wouldn't be anymore
That’s part of the reason it’s confusing to me. From what I understand they wanted to for him to change assistants but he didn’t want to. So he’s doing this so he doesn’t have to change his assistants. But they also are saying any changes to assistants have to net to 0. So he can’t go out and upgrade assistants even if he wanted to. Or they will do it for him rendering him powerless. 
So he can either give up power and control of operations and keep his buyout when the fire him or keep whatever power he might have (which imo is diminished quite a bit by now anyway) and reduce his buyout so it’s easier to fire him next year. 
I also don’t understand how they think anyone would come under those circumstances. 
I just don’t get the situation at all. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 29, 2018, 08:04:16 AM
Makes no sense at all and the followers of War Eagle have pretty much grabbed the pitch forks and torches from what I've read in the comments section.If the the so called brain trust have done anything it's slam the door shut on recruiting.Hamstringing Gus and the program.It's amazing how many administrators appear to have the insight of an October vegetable garden.Gonna be a long time before St Nick has these idjits to worry about
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2018, 08:16:38 AM
Well, Auburn, hard to feel to sorry for them from my viewpoint.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2018, 09:01:28 AM
We had a lot of openings on the SEC last season, and I didn't expect (m)any this year, but we're having them elsewhere obviously.  When I was a young lad, coaches tended to stay in one place for a long time, through thin seasons and thick.  The money angle has changed clearly.

Johnson at Tech would not have been fired of course, he could leave on his own terms, and did, good for him.  Now Tech is at the proverbial "fork in the road".  Do they retain some variant of that spread option gimmick with cut blocks or move to something more normal?  As I've mentioned before, I'd like UGA to drop them as a yearly opponent.  I'd rather play someone more interesting, no matter what they do.  Their nose in the air claim they are too "academic" to have normal football wears on me.  So does their rickety ugly stadium and ugly campus.

I guess the upside for me is that I can walk to their rickety stadium if I want to watch another beat down.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Entropy on November 29, 2018, 09:08:50 AM
Not only did he play there but so did his dad and his two brothers.
He was a hot shot HS QB recruit in the 80s and he turned down Notre Dame and Florida State and a host of othe late 80s  powers to play at Louisville.
If he’s turning that down with all his ties there- I’ve got to think he’s at Purdue for the long haul.
My guess is Lousiville is just that much of a cluster right now...  and the two couldn't agree on the proper risk/reward for walking into the current climate.   
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Entropy on November 29, 2018, 09:12:38 AM
We had a lot of openings on the SEC last season, and I didn't expect (m)any this year, but we're having them elsewhere obviously.  When I was a young lad, coaches tended to stay in one place for a long time, through thin seasons and thick.  The money angle has changed clearly.

Johnson at Tech would not have been fired of course, he could leave on his own terms, and did, good for him.  Now Tech is at the proverbial "fork in the road".  Do they retain some variant of that spread option gimmick with cut blocks or move to something more normal?  As I've mentioned before, I'd like UGA to drop them as a yearly opponent.  I'd rather play someone more interesting, no matter what they do.  Their nose in the air claim they are too "academic" to have normal football wears on me.  So does their rickety ugly stadium and ugly campus.

I guess the upside for me is that I can walk to their rickety stadium if I want to watch another beat down.
some of us older fans miss those gimmick offenses...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2018, 09:14:14 AM
You would not like seeing your defenders having to play off cut and roll blocks all over the field.  Defenses hate playing them because of that.

And they couldn't score on UGA on offense until the scrubs came in late.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Entropy on November 29, 2018, 09:28:12 AM
Well... I saw it for decades.    I loved the 70's and 80's wishbone and option offenses.   They were poetry.   I watch more Navy games than I've watched SEC games this year because of it...    Today's "call a hold on a running play but allow the OL to tackle the DL on pass plays" results in more points, but I don't find it as interesting....  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2018, 09:33:53 AM
I think if the type of offense were more common, defenders would adjust to playing it and playing off blocks.  But it isn't.

It's annoying.  I hate seeing it.

I worry about our knees on every play.

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 29, 2018, 10:18:44 AM
 When I was a young lad, coaches tended to stay in one place for a long time, through thin seasons and thick.  The money angle has changed clearly.
Some very average to below so coaches have been made rich in the past 15 maybe 20 yrs.A program could have the right guy but not the patience to settle in and work out the kinks.Kind of maddening a HC needs at least 3-4 yrs to undo previous damage and lay the ground work moving forward.Sometimes Admn's,regents,alumni,donors just can't wait plunging programs into the vicious circle cycle
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2018, 10:23:48 AM
And of course then coaches get paid millions for not coaching also.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Entropy on November 29, 2018, 10:27:14 AM
Some very average to below so coaches have been made rich in the past 15 maybe 20 yrs.A program could have the right guy but not the patience to settle in and work out the kinks.Kind of maddening a HC needs at least 3-4 yrs to undo previous damage and lay the ground work moving forward.Sometimes Admn's,regents,alumni,donors just can't wait plunging programs into the vicious circle cycle
agree.   Fans have a very different lens than those from the outside.   Osborne lost to OU his first 6 years as HC.   In today's environment, does he get that 7th year?   Sadly, I think the answer is no.  He retired winning on average 10 games a year yet I'm not sure he would get that chance in today's climate...    
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Entropy on November 29, 2018, 10:27:55 AM
And of course then coaches get paid millions for not coaching also.
Wasn't Charlie Weis something like the 4th highest paid coach a few years ago.... and he wasn't even coaching.   He was just being paid by KU and ND.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 29, 2018, 10:30:08 AM
And of course then coaches get paid millions for not coaching also.
Hindsight being 20/20 wish I taken up Phys.Ed and gotten into coaching.So somewhere fans would be MF-ing me (https://www.cfb51.com/Smileys/fantasticsmileys/cheer.gif) ,not that they don't around here.Jeez had to bring up Charlie he's the case in point.F-up,move-up
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2018, 11:11:03 AM
We chatted once about what it takes to become a P5 head coach, and it's usually a long slog, and most never make it.

It may not be far from becoming a major leaguer, a lot of very talented players never get past AAA.  A dedicated person could labor many years and perhaps become a QB coach or S&C coach at say Kansas and never get any higher.

You need some kind of a break, or a name, and the former can be random.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on November 29, 2018, 11:41:08 AM
Mack Brown supposedly hiring Greg (GERG) Robinson to be his defensive coordinator.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aftLWq1L09M
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ALA2262 on November 29, 2018, 11:52:07 AM
The Gus Bus has crashed. But, as the majority of wrecks, it happened near home. Never got out of Auburn so they are still stuck with him.:)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: LetsGoPeay on November 29, 2018, 12:51:04 PM
With Brohm, I have to think there are going to be better opportunities for him than Louisville, even with it being home.

1. There are strong possibilities that USC, FSU, Auburn, or even Ohio State could be open soon. 
2. He's building a good program in the weaker side of the Big Ten. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if next year they win 9-11 games and are in the championship game. 
3. It doesn't matter who is doing what anywhere in the ACC right now with Clemson doing what they're doing.
4. Louisville is a mess in just about every way right now.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Entropy on November 29, 2018, 12:59:23 PM
who will purdue have as their QB next year?   

I don't disagree that Purdue has a real shot at the west.    Wisconsin should rebound.  Iowa will be Iowa and I'd suspect NW will take a step back.   UNL should be better (they'll have 6-7 wins) but I don't see them competing for the west. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on November 29, 2018, 01:49:11 PM
I don't think it really matters who plays QB at Purdue next year.  They just need to get the ball in Moore's hands - receiver, RB, K/P returner, heck maybe even QB for a couple of trick plays.  The kid is special.  If they can avoid another slow start, they should be a legitimate player in the West.

I think Northwestern winning the West was a matter of the stars aligning rather than them being significantly better than anyone else.  I have a hard time seeing them repeat - they could even be out of the race by early October (they start off with MSU, Wisconsin and Nebraska and then after a BYE, they get Ohio State on 10/19).  I think it's likely they're facing a 1-3 conference start.  Thankfully the back half of the slate is easier (Iowa, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois) so with UMass squeezed in there, they should at least go 6-6 and sneak into a bowl.

If Wisconsin stays healthy, I'd guess they'd be the division favorite by reputation.  I also have a hard time seeing them going 7-5 in back-to-back seasons. 

Minnesota and Nebraska will continue to improve.  UNL in particular will be a tough out - for now I think they'll only go as far as Adrian Martinez can take them, but 8-4 and a Florida or Holiday Bowl is certainly attainable.  Minnesota beat Purdue and Wisconsin to find themselves bowl eligible - now the question is, was that a fluke or are they to be taken seriously next year?

Iowa has the pieces to make a West title run, but whether or not they will remains to be seen.  If the running game continues to struggle, and if the QB play continues to be erratic, it's going to be tough to beat anyone with a pulse.

Illinois will probably still be Illinois.  They should finally have some experience, but I have no idea if that'll translate to wins or not.  Lovie will probably need to go 5-7 at least to keep his job, but it wouldn't shock me if it's a bowl-or-bust situation.






Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 29, 2018, 02:12:22 PM
With Brohm, I have to think there are going to be better opportunities for him than Louisville, even with it being home.

2. He's building a good program in the weaker side of the Big Ten. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if next year they win 9-11 games and are in the championship game.
They may do it but can't depend on sneaking up/surprising anyone.Definitely shakes things up a bit and that's always a good thing
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2018, 02:39:27 PM
Sounds like Texas Tech is close to hiring Utah State's Matt Wells.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on November 29, 2018, 03:06:37 PM
The Gus Bus has crashed. But, as the majority of wrecks, it happened near home. Never got out of Auburn so they are still stuck with him.:)
Not sure if this was fake news or not, but I remember a letter from a former AD being leaked saying they were trying to make Auburn "the" team in Alabama.
All I can say about that is, they'd have better luck trying to paint Georgia orange and blue.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 29, 2018, 03:15:42 PM
Sounds like Texas Tech is close to hiring Utah State's Matt Wells.
Suppose to be an up and comer too isn't he?Guess the Pirate isn't headed back to Lubbock after all
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2018, 03:25:58 PM
Suppose to be an up and comer too isn't he?Guess the Pirate isn't headed back to Lubbock after all
Took over for Andersen when the latter took the UW job. He's a good coach. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: bayareabadger on November 29, 2018, 03:31:30 PM
Took over for Andersen when the latter took the UW job. He's a good coach.
He’s a good reminder of the value of patience. 
Won 19 games his first two years. Fell to 6-7, 3-9. Was given the chance and she 6-7, 10-2z 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 29, 2018, 03:33:56 PM
With Brohm, I have to think there are going to be better opportunities for him than Louisville, even with it being home.

2. He's building a good program in the weaker side of the Big Ten. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if next year they win 9-11 games and are in the championship game.
who will purdue have as their QB next year?  

I don't disagree that Purdue has a real shot at the west.    Wisconsin should rebound.  Iowa will be Iowa and I'd suspect NW will take a step back.   UNL should be better (they'll have 6-7 wins) but I don't see them competing for the west.
I think the big year for Purdue is 2020. I think they're still a young team, and don't have quite the talent on defense that they need. That talent comes in the 2019 recruiting class, but expecting their DL recruits to be ready on day 1 is hard. That's a position that requires a year or so in a B1G S&C program. I think 9 wins might be the ceiling in 2019, with about 7-8 being the "expectation". Need to evaluate the schedule though.
As for QB, it's pretty wide open. You have Sindelar who has shown some flashes in the past, and who will be a senior. But you also have Nick Sipe and Jack Plummer on campus, and a good QB out of CA named Paul Piferi who will be a true frosh but is reportedly enrolling in January, so he'll have more time than most true frosh to get acclimated. Pretty sure that every one of them is one of those "prototypical" QB's with a cannon for an arm and is known as a pocket passer. Brohm didn't shoot for dual-threat guys.
However, I'll disagree with @fezzador (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=44) that it doesn't matter. To make the Brohmfense go, it really requires the ability to put the ball down the field with accuracy. Defenses have been keying on Moore, and you need to be able to make them pay. Purdue graduates two starting outside receivers [Zico and Terry Wright], but has Kory Taylor and Amad Anderson as replacements already on campus. 2019 they'll be bringing in Milton Wright, a 4* out of KY, and the tea leaves are relatively promising on 4* David Bell. 
If you have a QB who can make them pay for doubling Moore by burning them over the top, then it opens up everything for this offense. I think every one of the QBs I mention above have the arm strength that Brohm wants [one of Blough's limits quite frankly], but it's a question of which one has the accuracy, touch, and decision-making to win the job.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2018, 03:37:27 PM
Kingsbury hired as OC by USC
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ALA2262 on November 29, 2018, 04:40:14 PM
Not sure if this was fake news or not, but I remember a letter from a former AD being leaked saying they were trying to make Auburn "the" team in Alabama.
All I can say about that is, they'd have better luck trying to paint Georgia orange and blue.

By Rick Karle (http://www.wbrc.com/authors/rick-karle/) | November 27, 2018 at 4:03 PM CST - Updated November 28 at 7:30 AM
AUBURN, AL (WBRC) - Auburn football coach Gus Malzahn has agreed in principle to accept a reduced contract buyout to remain at the university. WBRC FOX6 Sports has confirmed an initial report from Auburn Undercover (https://auburn.247sports.com/Article/Gus-Malzahn-close-to-accepting-changes-to-remain-at-Auburn-125449338/) that Malzahn will see his $32 million buyout reduced by an unspecified amount. A source close to Auburn University also tells WBRC that Malzahn has agreed that Auburn will effectively end paying buyouts for assistant coaches, thus forcing Malzahn to pay buyouts himself for any assistant coach that he seeks to dismiss.

http://www.wbrc.com/2018/11/27/gus-malzahn-accept-reduced-buyout-remain-auburn/?fbclid=IwAR0axmVp3lo6ABXJBSJKAIRY5pVXSWcKa_jbGflQX8C71LfAafrngRQOWC8
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2018, 06:21:43 PM
Kingsbury hired as OC by USC
Great hire for them. 
Harbaugh is a dumb bitch for not even trying to hire Kilff. 
If he doesn’t dump Pep Hamilton, I’m not watching a single game in 2019.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2018, 07:33:02 PM
Great hire for them.
Harbaugh is a dumb bitch for not even trying to hire Kilff.
If he doesn’t dump Pep Hamilton, I’m not watching a single game in 2019.
Imagine having Dave Warner and Jim Bollman.
Some rumors that Kingsbury is also off the record coach in waiting for 2020.  Talk about failing up 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2018, 07:36:02 PM
Imagine having Dave Warner and Jim Bollman.
Some rumors that Kingsbury is also off the record coach in waiting for 2020.  Talk about failing up
 Not sure there’s much difference. Both our offensive coaches suck.
Kliff K should stick to being an OC. He’s not cut out for being a HC. Not every one is. I don’t know why these guys just can’t stay in their lanes. RichRod would’ve been an all-timer had he just stuck to OC. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Kris60 on November 29, 2018, 07:53:31 PM
Not sure there’s much difference. Both our offensive coaches suck.
Kliff K should stick to being an OC. He’s not cut out for being a HC. Not every one is. I don’t know why these guys just can’t stay in their lanes. RichRod would’ve been an all-timer had he just stuck to OC.

Our views I’m sure are shaped by our personal experiences with him but Rod was far from a disaster as a HC.  He’s 118-83 (.587).  There’s a shit ton of guys who have coached major college football who would love to have that record on their Wikipedia page.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2018, 08:45:31 PM
Our views I’m sure are shaped by our personal experiences with him but Rod was far from a disaster as a HC.  He’s 118-83 (.587).  There’s a shit ton of guys who have coached major college football who would love to have that record on their Wikipedia page.
He had a great run at WVU when it was in a very weak Big East. Before the Big East lost Miami and VaTech he really didn’t win there. After it was watered down is when he reeled off those 10 and 11 win seasons.
In real conferences like the PAC and the B1G he was bad. His defenses were constantly atrocious. 
That HC record is mediocre. Let him run an offense and only an offense under a hands off head coach and that record- while not wholly his- would probably look more like 80+% winning instead of 58%.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 29, 2018, 08:51:27 PM
Harbaugh's 80s offense is just gimmicky enough to work at a basketball school the likes of Michigan. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2018, 09:00:15 PM
Harbaugh's 80s offense is just gimmicky enough to work at a basketball school the likes of Michigan.
his offense looks more 90s to me than 80s.
Michigan ran the ball 63% of its snaps this year. Not even Bama- who was in blowout mode by the 3rd qtr in literally every game they played this year- ran the ball that much. Bama was at 57%. And they don’t throw it to the TE as much. 
Michigan offense succcccccks. 
Pep Hamilton was a disgrace in Cleveland and he made Andrew Luck look mediocre in Indy. It really confuses the hell out of me how he makes $1 million a year. Harbaugh just hooking a friend up there. Pep IS NOT a hot commodity that you have to pay that kind of money to keep. No one else wants him.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2018, 09:25:03 PM
Sounds like Texas Tech is close to hiring Utah State's Matt Wells.
Some places reporting it's official.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2018, 09:33:01 PM
Kingsbury’s agent saying his client hasn’t taken any job.

Sounds like the Dallas Cowboys are trying to lure him.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Kris60 on November 29, 2018, 09:50:45 PM
He had a great run at WVU when it was in a very weak Big East. Before the Big East lost Miami and VaTech he really didn’t win there. After it was watered down is when he reeled off those 10 and 11 win seasons.
In real conferences like the PAC and the B1G he was bad. His defenses were constantly atrocious.
That HC record is mediocre. Let him run an offense and only an offense under a hands off head coach and that record- while not wholly his- would probably look more like 80+% winning instead of 58%.
I’m well aware of what the BE was and wasn’t. Before the breakup of the BE he went 6-1 in conference in 2002 and 2003. Once BE 2.0 was formed it was up for grabs and he grabbed it with some legitimately good teams from 2005-2007. WVU beat some good football teams outside the BE during that stretch too. That could have just as easily been Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, or anyone else becoming the lead dog in that conference. None of them did.  WVU, led by Rod, did. 

 Winning games at WVU and Arizona is a little different than winning  at Michigan.  WVU has eight double digit winning seasons and he has three of them. Arizona has three and he has one of them.
He could have and would have had a couple of those seasons at Michigan if given more time, imo. But that wasn’t a good fit and it ended early. So be it.

Hayden Fry is in the HOF with a worse winning percentage. Barry Alvarez and Don Nehlen are in it with winning percentages only slightly better.
Rod may not be Saban or Urban Meyer but I think he did enough to show just being an OC wasn’t his highest calling.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: JerseyTerrapin on November 29, 2018, 10:31:08 PM
I’m well aware of what the BE was and wasn’t. Before the breakup of the BE he went 6-1 in conference in 2002 and 2003. Once BE 2.0 was formed it was up for grabs and he grabbed it with some legitimately good teams from 2005-2007. WVU beat some good football teams outside the BE during that stretch too. That could have just as easily been Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, or anyone else becoming the lead dog in that conference. Winning games at WVU and Arizona is a little different than winning  at Michigan.  WVU has eight double digit winning seasons and he has three of them. Arizona has three and he has one of them.
He could have and would have had a couple of those seasons at Michigan if given more time, imo. But that wasn’t a good fit and it ended early. So be it.
Hayden Fry is in the HOF with a worse winning percentage. Barry Alvarez and Don Nehlen are in it with winning percentages only slightly better.
Rod may not be Saban or Urban Meyer but I think he did enough to show just being an OC wasn’t his highest calling.
Yeah, Nehlen revived WV football, but Rich Rod was rolling and was just a few yards against Pitt away that one year from playing for an national title.  It's sad to me that his disappointing stint at Michigan are what he's most known for.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 29, 2018, 10:36:14 PM
Not sure there’s much difference. Both our offensive coaches suck.
Kliff K should stick to being an OC. He’s not cut out for being a HC. Not every one is. I don’t know why these guys just can’t stay in their lanes. RichRod would’ve been an all-timer had he just stuck to OC.

If someone came to you offering to double or triple your contract for a job that you're not perfectly suited for, but involves very nearly what you're already doing now, you'd take it.  So do they.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2018, 10:38:30 PM
McElwain becoming a strong candidate for the CMU job?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: bayareabadger on November 29, 2018, 11:56:26 PM
He had a great run at WVU when it was in a very weak Big East. Before the Big East lost Miami and VaTech he really didn’t win there. After it was watered down is when he reeled off those 10 and 11 win seasons.
In real conferences like the PAC and the B1G he was bad. His defenses were constantly atrocious.
That HC record is mediocre. Let him run an offense and only an offense under a hands off head coach and that record- while not wholly his- would probably look more like 80+% winning instead of 58%.
We live in a world where the word mediocre is kind of stretched the breaking point. 
 The guy manages to coach about 200 college games as a head man, and was modestly successful. In a sport where  someone is lucky to make it eight years with the bad record.  Default numbers are failure. So mediocrity makes you one of the best around. 
I’d wager his resume is in the 80th percentile. Maybe higher. In a relatively hard to reach position, he was better than maybe four out of five of his peers. And we say, ehhh, if I disqualify everything oy did, you really weren’t much at all. (And it ain’t like the teams he was OC for were killing everyone)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2018, 12:54:40 AM
McElwain becoming a strong candidate for the CMU job?
was really hoping that Pep or Jay Harbs would get that job. if they were smart they'd stay away from McElwain and go hire Mike Hart. That guy has future stud HC written all over him.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2018, 07:57:06 AM
was really hoping that Pep or Jay Harbs would get that job. if they were smart they'd stay away from McElwain and go hire Mike Hart. That guy has future stud HC written all over him.
Why would anyone want either of those guys as head coach?
McElwain would be a safe hire, and that program needs to stabilize right now more than anything.
I think Hart probably needs to be OC before jumping straight to HC.  He'd be the youngest head coach in the FBS by a year I believe, and the next youngest had 3 years of OC experience first, including 2 at the Power 5 level.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 30, 2018, 09:21:05 AM
Great hire for them.
Harbaugh is a dumb bitch for not even trying to hire Kilff.
If he doesn’t dump Pep Hamilton, I’m not watching a single game in 2019.
I was perusing MGOBoard and there was a thread about Kliff Kingsbury to USC.Underneath a poster wrote Cliff Clavin to Michigan as OC.Got a chuckle
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: rolltidefan on November 30, 2018, 09:30:37 AM
Kingsbury hired as OC by USC
thats a good hire
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on November 30, 2018, 09:41:14 AM
We live in a world where the word mediocre is kind of stretched the breaking point.
 The guy manages to coach about 200 college games as a head man, and was modestly successful. In a sport where  someone is lucky to make it eight years with the bad record.  Default numbers are failure. So mediocrity makes you one of the best around.
I’d wager his resume is in the 80th percentile. Maybe higher. In a relatively hard to reach position, he was better than maybe four out of five of his peers. And we say, ehhh, if I disqualify everything oy did, you really weren’t much at all. (And it ain’t like the teams he was OC for were killing everyone)
RichRod flopped in the B1G because most teams at least pretend to play defense.  When he was picked up by Arizona, he started winning again (maybe not at the same clip as WVU, but he had decent success at least).
In CFB at least, you gotta play both offense and defense competently in order to win.  Being great at one and sucky at the other means you can beat mediocre teams, but get badly exposed by great ones.  Case in point, Oklahoma v. Bama is a strong possibility for an opening playoff round.  Both are great on offense, but only Bama bothers to play any D.  OU has the horses to hang 40 on the Tide, but their only chance to pull it off is to force turnovers, hope the refs are friendly to them, and score on every single possession.  Unless they hire Mike Ditka as their DC, Alabama can basically name their own score.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on November 30, 2018, 09:43:05 AM
thats a good hire
If the Cleveland Browns brass had any brains, they'd have picked him as their OC.  Koach Kliff + Baker Mayfield would at least be a sexy combo on paper.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Kris60 on November 30, 2018, 09:53:29 AM
If the Cleveland Browns brass had any brains, they'd have picked him as their OC.  Koach Kliff + Baker Mayfield would at least be a sexy combo on paper.
I don’t think KK and Mayfield ended their relationship at TT on great terms.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on November 30, 2018, 09:56:26 AM
Yeah, I think I heard that somewhere.  On paper, it would be a great hire, and it's entirely possible that the two have buried the hatchet and may be open to working with each other again.

I still think that Kingsbury would be a dynamite NFL OC.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2018, 10:11:27 AM
I don’t think KK and Mayfield ended their relationship at TT on great terms.
Mayfield may have matured since then
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 30, 2018, 10:17:53 AM
UGA last year had a very good defense and OU put 31 up in the first half.  The going got tougher in the second half of course, and OU had one scoop and score.

But Bama like UGA could run almost at will on OU and pass whenever needed to open guys.

OU and OSU both can score a lot of points on top level defenses.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on November 30, 2018, 10:59:57 AM
I don't think there's any legitimately great defenses in CFB this year.  I thought Michigan might have been the closes to great, but OSU happened.  Clemson gave up over 30 to Carolina, Bama got pushed around by Citadel(!) and most everybody else ranges from decent to putrid.

ND may be undefeated, but outside of Michigan they don't have that splashy win.  They're a lot like Michigan where they have a good defense but a lackluster offense.  They might be able to slow down high-powered offenses to an extent, but they don't have the O to keep up.  IMHO, they'd get beaten soundly by Bama, Clemson, Georgia, and Ohio State (as long as the Bucks show up).  I don't think they'd beat Oklahoma either.

This season's theme is offense, offense, and more offense.  This might be the year where Alabama gives up 50 to an Oklahoma or Georgia, and still win.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2018, 11:19:15 AM
Hey man, MSU finished #2 in S&P+, and considering the hole their offense put them in time and time again, I'd call this MSU defense great.  Maybe not in terms of NFL star power, or starz, but it all worked.  Particularly considering they were without their best CB for 8 games.  He was Big Ten Defensive POTW last week.

MSU wound up #2 defense, #114 offense.  You look at the other top defenses, they all had at least a decent offense.  Clemson was #1/#6; Notre Dame was #3/#29; Mississippi State was #4/#41; Michigan was #5/#24; Alabama was #6/#2; Washington was #8/#30.

Among Power 5 teams you have to go down to Miami with #9/#68, to find an offense that was probably only mediocre; then down to Cal at #15/#121 to find one with an offense that was downright bad.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 30, 2018, 11:58:35 AM
@ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55)    

Pep was being considered for the Maryland job after Edsall's firing. 

They decided going after a defensive coach, and we got DJ. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 30, 2018, 12:24:39 PM
And it's easier to post good defensive numbers if you run clock on offense effectively and don't  turn the ball over.

I suspect some numbers of the top teams are skewed if they play their twos and threes a lot in the second half.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 30, 2018, 12:24:47 PM
Mayfield may have matured since then
:D for sure it's been what 2 years since he ran from the cops
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 30, 2018, 12:27:33 PM
On Dan Patrick show this morning they said Kliff K has not yet signed @ USCw
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: bayareabadger on November 30, 2018, 12:34:02 PM
And it's easier to post good defensive numbers if you run clock on offense effectively and don't  turn the ball over.

I suspect some numbers of the top teams are skewed if they play their twos and threes a lot in the second half.
That's why you gotta dig for the better numbers and kinda weigh stuff differently.
Granted, that might lead to conclusions that don't match the eye test, or have weird quirks in them, which can be interesting when you delve into the why.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 30, 2018, 12:36:56 PM
Oh, and Pep's name is still being floated around College Park. 

It's Locksley or bust right now. 

Anyone else, unless Bill Cowher comes out of retirement, and football will cease to matter on campus. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: bayareabadger on November 30, 2018, 12:46:25 PM
RichRod flopped in the B1G because most teams at least pretend to play defense.  When he was picked up by Arizona, he started winning again (maybe not at the same clip as WVU, but he had decent success at least).
In CFB at least, you gotta play both offense and defense competently in order to win.  Being great at one and sucky at the other means you can beat mediocre teams, but get badly exposed by great ones.  Case in point, Oklahoma v. Bama is a strong possibility for an opening playoff round.  Both are great on offense, but only Bama bothers to play any D.  OU has the horses to hang 40 on the Tide, but their only chance to pull it off is to force turnovers, hope the refs are friendly to them, and score on every single possession.  Unless they hire Mike Ditka as their DC, Alabama can basically name their own score.
There's this word again. Since we've said the Pac 12 is disqualifying, and we know the no-defense Big 12 is in that category, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the ACC isn't the bee's knees, the only escape from mediocrity is playing in two conferences and being a certain level of good. 
Seems silly to me.
You say, "In CFB at least, you gotta play both offense and defense competently in order to win." Win what exactly? You point to Oklahoma, a team that's 23-2 in two years, and tell me, that's a half-team that will get exposed by far and away the best team in the land. But most teams will get exposed by Bama. It's a sport where only 15 or so teams really contend for a title, and most will be disappointed in the pursuit. But there's 100-plus other teams playing for different things, having moments, getting wins. 

Shoot, Bama exposed Clemson last year. Clemson exposed OSU two years ago. If you're good enough, you go out on a loss, and often, it's a one-sided one. 
I guess my point is, just winning is hard. And however you do it, you've done it. There's always context, but there's always, ALWAYS something more.
OSU went 12-2, and all people wanted to talk about was 31-0
Pelini won nine or 10 games again and again, all we wanted to talk about was missing 10 or 11. 
Wisconsin was sad it wasn't going to Rose Bowls, then made them, got sad it didn't win, then won bowls, got mad it wasn't contending, finished a TD away from the playoff, and some wondered "is this really the ceiling."
(Also, I don't think Ditka was a DC. He was a tight end and offensive guy by trade)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: bayareabadger on November 30, 2018, 12:48:18 PM
Oh, and Pep's name is still being floated around College Park.

It's Locksley or bust right now.

Anyone else, unless Bill Cowher comes out of retirement, and football will cease to matter on campus.
SO it's Mike Locksley or "football will cease to matter on campus"?

I'm an optimist and can surely find some good things about his resume, but that is not an ideal state of affairs. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Kris60 on November 30, 2018, 12:58:03 PM
There's this word again. Since we've said the Pac 12 is disqualifying, and we know the no-defense Big 12 is in that category, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the ACC isn't the bee's knees, the only escape from mediocrity is playing in two conferences and being a certain level of good.
Seems silly to me.
You say, "In CFB at least, you gotta play both offense and defense competently in order to win." Win what exactly? You point to Oklahoma, a team that's 23-2 in two years, and tell me, that's a half-team that will get exposed by far and away the best team in the land. But most teams will get exposed by Bama. It's a sport where only 15 or so teams really contend for a title, and most will be disappointed in the pursuit. But there's 100-plus other teams playing for different things, having moments, getting wins.

Shoot, Bama exposed Clemson last year. Clemson exposed OSU two years ago. If you're good enough, you go out on a loss, and often, it's a one-sided one.
I guess my point is, just winning is hard. And however you do it, you've done it. There's always context, but there's always, ALWAYS something more.
OSU went 12-2, and all people wanted to talk about was 31-0
Pelini won nine or 10 games again and again, all we wanted to talk about was missing 10 or 11.
Wisconsin was sad it wasn't going to Rose Bowls, then made them, got sad it didn't win, then won bowls, got mad it wasn't contending, finished a TD away from the playoff, and some wondered "is this really the ceiling."
(Also, I don't think Ditka was a DC. He was a tight end and offensive guy by trade)
Bravo.  Couldn’t agree more.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2018, 02:27:42 PM
https://twitter.com/11W/status/1068555441452519424
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 30, 2018, 02:58:32 PM
What report?Shelley's hairdressers proctologist.I could see him stepping down after next season as that would complete his 8th season in C-Bus.I couldn't see him stepping down this season out of spite to his detractors(i.e.McMurphy)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2018, 03:46:53 PM
Isn't that what it says?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 30, 2018, 04:26:13 PM
SO it's Mike Locksley or "football will cease to matter on campus"?

I'm an optimist and can surely find some good things about his resume, but that is not an ideal state of affairs.
Kinda happens when a shit storm of epic proportions circulates on campus with a player dying and all the legal crap behind the scenes. 
That's why, no matter how many injuries your team had, no matter who you think you should have beat, Maryland had by far the most disappointing year.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Riffraft on November 30, 2018, 05:44:58 PM
https://twitter.com/11W/status/1068555441452519424
Meyer was "no Comment" on the report in his press conference.
Gene Smith say it was not true and the Meyer has not discussed this with him
Day said he is not withdrawing his name from any head coaching positions
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Reyd on November 30, 2018, 06:28:56 PM
McElwain  to interview for Central Michigan HC. Seems about right. I never expected him to stick around.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on November 30, 2018, 06:33:44 PM
On Dan Patrick show this morning they said Kliff K has not yet signed @ USCw
I hereby designate Southern Cal to be USC, period.
South Carolina is USCe.
Let it be written, let it be done.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 30, 2018, 06:43:57 PM
https://twitter.com/11W/status/1068555441452519424
Another reliable source LOL.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 30, 2018, 06:46:29 PM
Ela follows 11Warriors on Twitter? ;D
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 30, 2018, 07:21:06 PM

(Also, I don't think Ditka was a DC. He was a tight end and offensive guy by trade)
He was the special teams coach and assistant head coach for the Cowboys when Halas hired him as Head Coach for the Bears. Never coached a lick of defense. That was Buddy Ryan's deal.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 30, 2018, 08:09:23 PM
I hereby designate Southern Cal to be USC, period.
South Carolina is USCe.
Let it be written, let it be done.
Otay pank
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 30, 2018, 08:11:49 PM
Candidates are Canada, Locks, or Pep Hamilton.

Maryland will screw this up, no doubt in my mind.

Some Maryland fans are hesitant on Locksley because of his record at a crap school, but NO ONE wants Pep. 

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on November 30, 2018, 08:16:37 PM
Hell if I knew they'd consider Pep I would have inquired
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2018, 09:23:53 AM
He was the special teams coach and assistant head coach for the Cowboys when Halas hired him as Head Coach for the Bears. Never coached a lick of defense. That was Buddy Ryan's deal.
brilliant hire by Mike
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Reyd on December 01, 2018, 12:56:58 PM
I would have traded Mac Elwain and Hamilton for Scott Schaefler. I was always hoping he would get back to Michigan. He tutored Brady after injury ended his playing career.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2018, 01:07:35 PM
brilliant hire by Mike
Mike didn't hire him. He hated him, and Buddy hated Mike.
Ryan was on the staff for a few years prior to Mike getting the job, and Halas made Mike keep Buddy.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2018, 01:09:20 PM
NO ONE wants Pep.


Michigan fans would agree.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on December 01, 2018, 01:13:13 PM
It cracks me up that college football can piece together random games like Akron at South Carolina with almost no notice, but setting up a game like OSU v. Oklahoma for a shot at the playoffs is seen as impossible
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2018, 01:13:18 PM
Mike didn't hire him. He hated him, and Buddy hated Mike.
Ryan was on the staff for a few years prior to Mike getting the job, and Halas made Mike keep Buddy.
good call
Mike's legacy might be different w/o Buddy
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2018, 01:15:14 PM
It cracks me up that college football can piece together random games like Akron at South Carolina with almost no notice, but setting up a game like OSU v. Oklahoma for a shot at the playoffs is seen as impossible
true,  better chance of Akron or Southern Miss playing Texas than Nebraska or A&M or Arkansas playing Texas
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2018, 01:22:21 PM
good call
Mike's legacy might be different w/o Buddy
That team would have won 2-3 more, had Buddy stayed after the 1986 Superbowl.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2018, 01:27:58 PM
very probable

best defense ever
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2018, 01:31:16 PM
Candidates are Canada, Locks, or Pep Hamilton.

Maryland will screw this up, no doubt in my mind.

Some Maryland fans are hesitant on Locksley because of his record at a crap school, but NO ONE wants Pep.
Please please PLEASE hire Pep. 
If there is a god Maryland will hire Pep.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2018, 01:34:05 PM
not if there's a God in Maryland
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2018, 01:47:36 PM
very probable

best defense ever
Ditka was not a good coach. Half of his players couldn't stand him, if not more. His XO's were weak and he didn't think so. Then he gets the Saints job and trades a draft for a running back. Only Mike Lynn was that stupid.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2018, 01:48:56 PM
I agree
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on December 01, 2018, 01:49:33 PM
That team would have won 2-3 more, had Buddy stayed after the 1986 Superbowl.
I've always believed that also - ego's run amok IMO ripped that squad apart.And it started with Iron Mike.Sunglasses didn't help things
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2018, 02:06:35 PM
Ditka was not a good coach. Half of his players couldn't stand him, if not more. His XO's were weak and he didn't think so. Then he gets the Saints job and trades a draft for a running back. Only Mike Lynn was that stupid.
Yeah that was crazy. He literally traded every draft pick the Saints had for Ricky Williams. Insanity.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2018, 02:15:23 PM
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Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2018, 05:32:11 PM
Sounds like McElwain is probably gonna be the next CMU coach. 

Saw a name floated around that I loved for his replacement as WRs coach...Tee Martin. Heck of a recruiter. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 02, 2018, 09:46:22 AM
Gary Andersen back to Utah State is all but done. That is a job he can handle, for sure. Very JuCo friendly there.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2018, 11:11:09 AM
Georgia DC Mel Tucker expected to be named Colorado coach. ATLANTA -- Georgia defensive coordinator anddefensive backs coach Mel Tucker is expected to be named Colorado's next head coach after the Bulldogs play in the SEC championship game Saturday, sources told ESPN's Chris Low.1 day ago
(https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/georgia-dc-mel-tucker-expected-named-colorado-coach/story?id=59542583)Georgia DC Mel Tucker expected to be named Colorado coach - ABC ...

 (https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/georgia-dc-mel-tucker-expected-named-colorado-coach/story?id=59542583)

 (https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/georgia-dc-mel-tucker-expected-named-colorado-coach/story?id=59542583)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 02, 2018, 09:01:40 PM
Lots of speculation from sources I don't know, but for funsies....

Locksley will be HC
Hurts transfers to Maryland
Tee Martin could be on staff
Local coaches may be hired on staff for a powerful presence in the DMV
St Francis will have a footprint on board

Many top recruits have been contacted, and could switch commitments.

Should know more truth tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 02, 2018, 09:37:42 PM
not if there's a God in Maryland
Now that's just too far fetched... 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on December 03, 2018, 08:11:01 AM
Per ESPiN, K-State's Bill Snyder is retiring again.

It's probably the right time to hang it up, but I hope he didn't leave the cupboard too bare.  Manhattan is one of the toughest P5 jobs, and it takes a very special coach to succeed.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Entropy on December 03, 2018, 09:36:03 AM
IMO.... Snyder's first time at KSU might be the greatest coaching job of our era... maybe ever.   When you look at what KSU was before he took the job, I can't think of any coach who has been more impressive.    It certainly was one of those "right fits".  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on December 03, 2018, 09:57:06 AM
For sure.  IIRC, K-State even toyed with the idea of dropping football altogether had the Snyder hire failed to work out.  When he took on the job 30 years ago, the program was the only one in D1 with 500 losses.  To wrap one's head around that, the Arizona Wildcats (which I would say is a comparable program today) is still over 30 losses away from 500 (granted, Zona has played about 100 fewer all-time games, but I think the point still stands).
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 03, 2018, 11:58:19 AM
Apparently Canada is interviewing for the Louisville job.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on December 03, 2018, 12:42:44 PM
Akron cans Terry Bowden after 7 years
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Gigem on December 03, 2018, 02:48:11 PM
Holy schitt I didn't know he still coached?  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2018, 02:52:57 PM
I guess that big win over Northwestern wasn't enough to save him.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 03, 2018, 02:58:58 PM
he should have stayed overnight in Lincoln and beat the Huskers to save his job

and he would have saved some $$$
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on December 03, 2018, 04:11:23 PM
Apparently Canada is interviewing for the Louisville job.
that'd be a good consolation prize for them after being turned down by Brohm.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Anonymous Coward on December 03, 2018, 04:30:53 PM
Apparently Canada is interviewing for the Louisville job.
Who's the leader for the UMd spot. You don't want Pep Hamilton, but he sounds like a finalist and I really hope you get him so we can shed him.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Entropy on December 03, 2018, 04:34:20 PM
Turner Gill is retiring at Liberty.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: JerseyTerrapin on December 03, 2018, 04:55:49 PM
Who's the leader for the UMd spot. You don't want Pep Hamilton, but he sounds like a finalist and I really hope you get him so we can shed him.
There would be a bigger outcry in the fan base than for the 2010 Edsall hiring, but that doesn't mean it won't happen...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on December 03, 2018, 04:55:55 PM
Sounds like Appy St. Coach Scott Satterfield headed to Louisville
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 03, 2018, 05:01:30 PM
I guess that big win over Northwestern wasn't enough to save him.
If Toledo Tom couldn't even save his job with a Michigan upset, then all the Northwestern wins in the world aren't going to get you anywhere.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 03, 2018, 05:04:47 PM
Who's the leader for the UMd spot. You don't want Pep Hamilton, but he sounds like a finalist and I really hope you get him so we can shed him.
Imagine this is another finger....
:96:
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on December 03, 2018, 09:52:12 PM
Who's the leader for the UMd spot. You don't want Pep Hamilton, but he sounds like a finalist and I really hope you get him so we can shed him.
Wouldn’t that be amazing?
They took that creep Durkin off Michigan’s hands and they got a massive upgrade in Don Brown. 
Would be amazing if lighting struck twice and they took that bum Pep off Michigan’s hands and Harbaugh was forced to go find a legit OC. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 03, 2018, 11:15:36 PM
IMO.... Snyder's first time at KSU might be the greatest coaching job of our era... maybe ever.   When you look at what KSU was before he took the job, I can't think of any coach who has been more impressive.    It certainly was one of those "right fits".  
timing for change at K-State is right, writes veteran Kansas City Star columnist/reporter Blair Kerkhoff
Kerkhoff included in his column this vignette: Former Oklahoma coach Barry Switzer once said of a season in which Snyder won an award, “He’s not the coach of the year, he’s not the coach of the decade, he’s the coach of the century.”
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 03, 2018, 11:27:30 PM
Whew
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Anonymous Coward on December 04, 2018, 12:51:53 AM
Whew
Things sound dramatic over there. Does Loh have a problem with Locksley? What are the strongest rumors among those who are most keyed in?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 04, 2018, 06:25:58 AM
Things sound dramatic over there. Does Loh have a problem with Locksley? What are the strongest rumors among those who are most keyed in?
It's a sigh of relief. 
Waiting on the official announcement, but seems we got what we needed.
I'm not a fan of Locksley, and his offense was terrible at Maryland too. And to be honest, I don't expect him to win games here either.
However, we need him, with his hometown connections and recruiting prowess, to help heal the community and keep what Durkin started, rolling.
That's what this hire is about. Canada is a reminder, Pep is useless to that cause. Locks would be the right choice. 
Sounds like, with the use of a text message, we got the good news. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: JerseyTerrapin on December 04, 2018, 07:17:57 AM
Things sound dramatic over there. Does Loh have a problem with Locksley? What are the strongest rumors among those who are most keyed in?
It's the Athletic Director that apparently has a problem with Locksley, although I only know this tenth-hand from message boards...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on December 04, 2018, 07:32:52 AM
So you're an insider like rest of us then
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: slugsrbad on December 04, 2018, 07:39:31 AM
Urban Meyer retiring
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on December 04, 2018, 07:45:48 AM
They're saying Ryan Day to take over.Hopefully he's the Guy.I was thinking maybe Campell from ISU when this day came
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on December 04, 2018, 07:50:30 AM
I don't know if it was in this thread or elsewhere where I said the old "promote from within" thing is dead, absent a case like Orgeron or Helton, where the guy was already the popular interim coach.  That a guy like Lloyd Carr or Tom Izzo would never be considered without leaving to get head coaching experience at a smaller school first.

Then freaking Ohio State football goes and blows that argument out of the water?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MarqHusker on December 04, 2018, 07:55:25 AM
I couldn't pick Day out of a lineup. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Temp430 on December 04, 2018, 08:04:41 AM
I couldn't pick Day out of a lineup.
That's a bonus on Day's resume.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Temp430 on December 04, 2018, 08:08:30 AM
I'm sorry to see Meyer go given his perfect record against Michigan.  Despite the BS this last summer I think he's a great coach.  And he did it the right way in Columbus for the most part without the cheating and BS employed by Sweatervest.  If his team knew this was coming during The Game it might explain some stuff.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MarqHusker on December 04, 2018, 08:10:59 AM
That's a bonus on Day's resume.
I agree, in these circumstances. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on December 04, 2018, 09:12:06 AM
I don't know if it was in this thread or elsewhere where I said the old "promote from within" thing is dead, absent a case like Orgeron or Helton, where the guy was already the popular interim coach.  That a guy like Lloyd Carr or Tom Izzo would never be considered without leaving to get head coaching experience at a smaller school first.

Then freaking Ohio State football goes and blows that argument out of the water?
I thought Urbs would retire after next season so sort of surprised.tOSU prolly should have interviewed a few HC candidates but I think Day is a decent pick.Thought Matt Campbell would get an interview,we shall see
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on December 04, 2018, 09:15:16 AM
  If his team knew this was coming during The Game it might explain some stuff.
That many guys couldn't possibly keep that quiet,specially with today's instant media.This sort of came out of nowhere so I don't think they knew
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 04, 2018, 09:35:21 AM
Congrats to the other Big Ten fan bases. Christmas came early for ya this year. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 04, 2018, 09:47:27 AM
Congrats to the other Big Ten fan bases. Christmas came early for ya this year.
He heard Locksley was coming back to the DMV, so the writing was on the wall. 
Plus, I'm guessing H****** is NFL bound. He always leaves when he's out of proven QB options.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 04, 2018, 07:54:02 PM
In all seriousness now, but with a little speculation from the prognosticators close to Maryland, I'm curious how the landscape would change in Locks, Tee Martin, Larry Johnson, and Poggi end up on Maryland's staff?

Also, since Hurts has graduated, and is very close to Locksley now, I'm curious if he'd actually ponder the thought of transferring as a graduate to Maryland, to help Locks transition.....

And it's official....Thursday Press conference.  I'm sure Locks is reaching out to current "committed" recruits as we speak.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 04, 2018, 08:40:45 PM
He heard Locksley was coming back to the DMV, so the writing was on the wall.
Plus, I'm guessing H****** is NFL bound. He always leaves when he's out of proven QB options.
Since he kicked Locksley’s butt the last time they played, I kind of doubt it. 
Who recruited JT?  Haskins?
Your sour grapes routine is so old.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 04, 2018, 08:46:51 PM
Since he kicked Locksley’s butt the last time they played, I kind of doubt it.
Who recruited JT?  Haskins?
Your sour grapes routine is so old.  
Who's JT?  Lots of JT's.
Ha***** was recruited to Maryland, then committed, to Locksley.  When Locks left, so did the coward who turned his back on his commitment and state.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 04, 2018, 10:32:17 PM
Man, things are heating up quickly.

FSU and Bama recruits chatter with current players is strong. 

Hurts transferring to Maryland may be real....

Curious to see the staff he brings in. I already know who he's wants to keep. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 04, 2018, 11:07:33 PM
Who's JT?  Lots of JT's.
Ha***** was recruited to Maryland, then committed, to Locksley.  When Locks left, so did the coward who turned his back on his commitment and state.
When your driveling about “ leaving when he runs out of QBs” try to at least be credible.
When you go 85-9 in seven seasons, you have obviously recruited QBs  JT Barrett and Haskins are just two examples. You know, Haskins- the kid who dreamed of playing at OSU when he was a kid?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2018, 01:02:07 AM
Heard a rumor Locksley wants Larry Johnson. Is that actually picking up steam? For DL or DC? Almost every team should prefer LJ over their DL coach, but I can't understand why he'd leave OSU unless it's for promotion or forced out ... and I somewhat doubt both of those. At his age, does he even want to be a DC? And even if so, that feels like a waste of DL coaching (kind of like making Warinner an OC was a waste of his OL coaching)? Also: there's truly no way Day is forcing out one of OSU's best assistants.
Did I just mention every angle here or am I missing something?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 05, 2018, 06:45:39 AM
Heard a rumor Locksley wants Larry Johnson. Is that actually picking up steam? For DL or DC? Almost every team should prefer LJ over their DL coach, but I can't understand why he'd leave OSU unless it's for promotion or forced out ... and I somewhat doubt both of those. At his age, does he even want to be a DC? And even if so, that feels like a waste of DL coaching (kind of like making Warinner an OC was a waste of his OL coaching)? Also: there's truly no way Day is forcing out one of OSU's best assistants.
Did I just mention every angle here or am I missing something?
Read that as well.  Have no idea if true, but he did leave Penn State because he was not considered for DC role, but your correct in that he is approaching retirement- so who knows.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: TyphonInc on December 05, 2018, 08:23:19 AM
Who's JT?  Lots of JT's.
Ha***** was recruited to Maryland, then committed, to Locksley.  When Locks left, so did the coward who turned his back on his commitment and state.
That's one Narrative for Haskins. The rest of the sane world sees the video of an 11 year old kid whose dream was to be quarterback for Ohio State. He committed to Maryland when he didn't have an offer from Ohio State, and when his dream school did offer him, he respectfully withdrew from Maryland.
But keep name calling a kid who seems to be nothing but a class act, it favors you. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 05, 2018, 08:30:47 AM
I'm hoping UW can flip Bryson Shaw back.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 05, 2018, 08:50:48 AM
That's one Narrative for Haskins. The rest of the sane world sees the video of an 11 year old kid whose dream was to be quarterback for Ohio State. He committed to Maryland when he didn't have an offer from Ohio State, and when his dream school did offer him, he respectfully withdrew from Maryland.
But keep name calling a kid who seems to be nothing but a class act, it favors you.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on December 05, 2018, 10:15:07 AM
:34:
http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/25456581
Add Chase Young to that as well.
You also said Haskins would never throw a pass for OSU
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 05, 2018, 10:18:41 AM
You also said Haskins would never throw a pass for OSU
Yes, he did.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: rolltidefan on December 05, 2018, 12:10:09 PM
In all seriousness now, but with a little speculation from the prognosticators close to Maryland, I'm curious how the landscape would change in Locks, Tee Martin, Larry Johnson, and Poggi end up on Maryland's staff?

Also, since Hurts has graduated, and is very close to Locksley now, I'm curious if he'd actually ponder the thought of transferring as a graduate to Maryland, to help Locks transition.....

And it's official....Thursday Press conference.  I'm sure Locks is reaching out to current "committed" recruits as we speak.
quite a bit of speculation from bama that hurts will follow locks to maryland. i don't know much about maryland football, but it could be a good move with the familiarity they've built with each other.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 05, 2018, 12:22:14 PM
Yes, he did.
Yes, I did believe he'd get lost on the roster. 
Neither here nor there. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2018, 05:23:06 PM
If Larry Johnson winds up coaching DL** at UMd, then that will be a WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY bigger deal than any other part of this offseason for the Terps, including the hiring of the HC who got LJ.

** (not the same if he coaches DC, not that that's bad, just not something as deserving of this post's royal treatment)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 05, 2018, 06:28:11 PM
If Larry Johnson winds up coaching DL** at UMd, then that will be a WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY bigger deal than any other part of this offseason for the Terps, including the hiring of the HC who got LJ.

** (not the same if he coaches DC, not that that's bad, just not something as deserving of this post's royal treatment)
I've heard the rumors, but I believe the 2 stooges are probably more right that he won't be coming.  Close to retirement and all.
We'll see.
Not so sold on Locks' pick for DC so far, if it's not Larry.

Edit : the rumors of flipping recruits is on fire. Three 4 stars and perhaps Hurts and Kaindoh.....

Rumors, yes, but it's getting wild. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 10, 2018, 12:48:24 PM
Butch Jones and Tee Martin.....
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 10, 2018, 01:03:43 PM
Yuck.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on December 10, 2018, 01:10:45 PM
At least Ga Tech may be running a "normal" offense now.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 10, 2018, 01:38:28 PM
Tee Martin has been talked about from the beginning. USC's offense has been really good, so I'm cool with that.

Butch Jones may be for a position coaching job. WR's.

Possible assistant HC title as well.

If the HS coach comes on as RB coach, some current B1G schools wooing a certain RB, will have to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on December 10, 2018, 02:44:14 PM
Tee Martin has been talked about from the beginning. USC's offense has been really good, so I'm cool with that.

Say what?
11th of 12 this year in the Pac 12 in total offense, 10th in scoring offense.  He seems to be an ace recruiter, so I also don't dislike the hire, but USC's offense was awful this year.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 10, 2018, 02:59:00 PM
Say what?
11th of 12 this year in the Pac 12 in total offense, 10th in scoring offense.  He seems to be an ace recruiter, so I also don't dislike the hire, but USC's offense was awful this year.
You go by 1 season? Really? 
Top 20 in 2016 and 2017, but yeah, I'm crazy for saying they had a pretty good offense.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 10, 2018, 03:10:41 PM
San Darnold made him look good, I think.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: DevilFroggy on December 10, 2018, 03:44:13 PM
lol Tee Martin is a horrible OC. Ask any USC fan if they'll miss him for anything other than his recruiting. 

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on December 10, 2018, 03:56:48 PM
You go by 1 season? Really?
Top 20 in 2016 and 2017, but yeah, I'm crazy for saying they had a pretty good offense.
Congrats on taking the consensus #1 pick as QB, with NFL talent all over the field and running out a middle of the pack Pac 12 offense.  Like I said, he's an ace recruiter, but I've never heard one person say he was a good OC.  Without Darnold he had arguably the worst offense in the Pac 12 this year.  There is a reason teams were looking to hire him as a position coach, he'll bring in talent, but he didn't look like he could do much with it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 10, 2018, 04:40:21 PM
Well, it's possible he will be on staff.

I guess I'll have to hope he coached that QB, and put him in position to do so well.  I mean, it was him, so there's that. 

Anything would be better than the offense I saw vs BG 1st Half, Mich, Michigan State, Temple, PSU, and Iowa.  What a shit coordinator Canada is. Perhaps he had players someone else coached up. Maybe that's why he jumps school to school every year.

Also, some believe Butch is a backup plan. 

I'm more worried about the players who have decommited from other schools, right after Locksley's hiring. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 10, 2018, 04:52:17 PM
I wouldn't touch Butch for anything. Still not sure why you're so down on Canada though. I bet things would have looked a whole lot different there had he not been forced into the HC position.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on December 10, 2018, 04:55:02 PM
Tee Martin is only good for recruiting. He was an average WR's coach at USC and a terrible OC.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 10, 2018, 06:24:28 PM
Rutgers DB coach could be a done deal.  Don't know much about him, but it's disappointing, because I'd rather keep AAR.

A 4-star Safety who recently de-committed from WV, 2 Dematha kids, the St John's RB, a Michigan DB, a 5 star from New Jersey, and Williams DT from Tennessee, are either potential flips, or were on campus this past weekend, per local reports.

Right now Maryland is sitting at 88th I believe in recruiting rankings.  If all stars align, it's possible we could get close to the Top 25 range before it's all said and done. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 10, 2018, 07:47:32 PM
Kansas State got a really good coach in Chris Klieman, from NDSU. So much for those Bielema rumors.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 10, 2018, 07:52:54 PM
Oh yeah, and speaking of Bielema, he is actually looking pretty good these days. Trading BBQ for seafood can do a body good. That and not working 20 hours a day??



(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoYH4neWkAE4Ug_.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 10, 2018, 08:09:24 PM
Bama DL coach and Bama LB coach as well as Devin Bush Sr being vetted for defensive staff, supposedly. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on December 10, 2018, 08:25:16 PM
Kansas State got a really good coach in Chris Klieman, from NDSU. So much for those Bielema rumors.
This may well be the man to succeed Saban.  The guy knows how to win.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on December 10, 2018, 09:26:06 PM
So the guy who built the program got the Wyoming job, and the guy who maintained it got Kansas State?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 10, 2018, 09:37:40 PM
Wyoming 4-4 in the mountain west

6-6 overall
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on December 10, 2018, 09:48:33 PM
Yep, I think Kliemann was the real brain behind the Bison machine.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on December 10, 2018, 09:51:04 PM
Hawkins-Peterson, John L. Smith-Petrino situation?

Granted I don't think judging someone based on how they do at Wyoming is entirely fair either.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 10, 2018, 11:16:12 PM
or judging them on how they do in the little apple

but, that's what we have to go with
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 11, 2018, 03:53:10 AM
So Butch is named associate HC and TE's coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on December 11, 2018, 06:17:19 AM
or judging them on how they do in the little apple

but, that's what we have to go with
I wasn't.  I was comparing what each did at NDSU
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on December 12, 2018, 01:02:58 PM
Don Brown interviewing for the Temple job.  Didn't he leave UMass to go be DC at Maryland because he thought being a DC at a P5 school was a better path to a big time coaching job than being a head coach at a dead end school?  Like Dane Fife leaving his head coaching job at IPFW to go be an assistant under Izzo?  Why would he then basically just go back to another blah job?  Does Temple even pay its head coach more than UM pays him?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: bayareabadger on December 12, 2018, 01:38:18 PM
Don Brown interviewing for the Temple job.  Didn't he leave UMass to go be DC at Maryland because he thought being a DC at a P5 school was a better path to a big time coaching job than being a head coach at a dead end school?  Like Dane Fife leaving his head coaching job at IPFW to go be an assistant under Izzo?  Why would he then basically just go back to another blah job?  Does Temple even pay its head coach more than UM pays him?
Temples’ last four coaches landed at Miami, BC, Baylor, GT. 
They don’t publicize Pennsylvania salaries for some reason, but Collins left a million on the table to take the job a few years back. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on December 12, 2018, 01:45:32 PM
Temples’ last four coaches landed at Miami, BC, Baylor, GT.
They don’t publicize Pennsylvania salaries for some reason, but Collins left a million on the table to take the job a few years back.
Temple's last four coaches were also 37, 52, 38, 46 when they coached their first game.  Don Brown will be 64 next year.  Even if he's only there two years, he'd be 66.  I can't imagine a 64 year old using that as a stepping stone job like a 37 year old could.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on December 12, 2018, 01:57:33 PM
OTOH if he wants to be a head coach he cant sit around and wait much longer
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on December 12, 2018, 02:06:55 PM
OTOH if he wants to be a head coach he cant sit around and wait much longer
Yeah, it really only makes sense if he thought he could get a better HC job, didn't, and wants to do it one more time before he retires.  I don't see any way it's a stepping stone job.  But if his goal remains HC, you wonder if you could get him in a moment of total honesty, he regrets leaving UMass, considering his plan to get there didn't pan out.  That said, he got Maryland to an FCS title game, but that program was destined to fail jumping to FBS in the MAC, so I don't think sticking around would have got him there either.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 12, 2018, 03:18:37 PM
Yeah, it really only makes sense if he thought he could get a better HC job, didn't, and wants to do it one more time before he retires.  I don't see any way it's a stepping stone job.  But if his goal remains HC, you wonder if you could get him in a moment of total honesty, he regrets leaving UMass, considering his plan to get there didn't pan out.  That said, he got Maryland to an FCS title game, but that program was destined to fail jumping to FBS in the MAC, so I don't think sticking around would have got him there either.
Temple is a pretty good clip above UMass. In prestige. They sorta yo-yo back and forth between P5 and G5, while UMass is a fresh FCS move up that none of the G5 conferences have shown much interest in. 
Then there is recruiting. PA vs New England.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on December 12, 2018, 04:08:02 PM
Sounds like it's Manny Diaz to Temple
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: bayareabadger on December 12, 2018, 06:11:56 PM
Temple's last four coaches were also 37, 52, 38, 46 when they coached their first game.  Don Brown will be 64 next year.  Even if he's only there two years, he'd be 66.  I can't imagine a 64 year old using that as a stepping stone job like a 37 year old could.
 True, but if multiple years of building one of the best defenses in the country doesn’t get you a look that’s better than this, you might just have to take what he can assuming he wants to be a head coach again. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: bayareabadger on December 12, 2018, 06:12:40 PM
Sounds like it's Manny Diaz to Temple
Welp, settles that 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on December 12, 2018, 07:26:27 PM
Manny Diaz is the better choice. DB is like 100 years old. 

I doubt he was a serious candidate there. I think all the interview did was ensure that Harbaugh tells his AD to give DB an extension and a fat raise. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Michigan announce a multi-year extension and make DB one of the highest paid co-ordinators in the college game and offer him something like $2 million a year.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on December 30, 2018, 11:13:41 AM
Apparently the Packers are interested in Fitzgerald
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2018, 11:33:23 AM
Major Applewhite may be available soon
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2018, 12:03:32 PM
Manny Diaz is the better choice. DB is like 100 years old.

I doubt he was a serious candidate there. I think all the interview did was ensure that Harbaugh tells his AD to give DB an extension and a fat raise. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Michigan announce a multi-year extension and make DB one of the highest paid co-ordinators in the college game and offer him something like $2 million a year.
His D looked pretty crappy against the Badgers.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 12:08:08 PM
The change at GT will be interesting to watch.  I still think GT needs some kind of gimmick to compete (beyond being 7-5 in the ACC perhaps).

Playing straight up against the Bigs in their neighborhood is not going to work well.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on December 30, 2018, 12:51:06 PM
Apparently Mark Richt resigned
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Hawkinole on December 30, 2018, 12:55:17 PM
Apparently the Packers are interested in Fitzgerald
The AD who hired Fitzgerald as HC at Northwestern is now the CEO of the Packers.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2018, 01:32:19 PM
Apparently Mark Richt resigned
Yep. Lots of pressure down there. The question is.. who wants that job? A fading helmet school with an off-campus stadium and a fanbase that expects Jimmy Johnson to walk through the door.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2018, 01:44:50 PM
screw the Canes
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2018, 01:47:03 PM
They have a fan base? 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2018, 01:58:52 PM
not one you'd invite to your mother's house
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on December 30, 2018, 03:37:55 PM
Wouldn't mind some Mario Cristobal to Miami distractions over the next 24 hours.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 03:41:59 PM
I posted earlier that I felt a bit bad for CMR.  Yeah, he made a ton of money, but I suspect his feelings for his career are a disappointment.

When I retired, I suddenly felt both relieved and disappointed, I had not expected the latter.  I made enough money to be set, but looking back I saw I had not really achieved what I thought I could have done with better effort and focus and maybe some common sense.  It had turned into "just a job" for me, rather boring, and I had invested a lot in getting to that point only to have it not really amount to much.

Blech.  I'm over it now.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Gigem on December 30, 2018, 03:44:45 PM
Yep. Lots of pressure down there. The question is.. who wants that job? A fading helmet school with an off-campus stadium and a fanbase that expects Jimmy Johnson to walk through the door.
Serious Question:  Can private schools like Miami really be considered a helmet school?  I realize USC and Notre Dame are private as well but I always thought of helmet schools as large public universities that were successful in football.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 30, 2018, 05:29:22 PM
not one you'd invite to your mother's house
Could have said the same about UCF last year. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2018, 08:22:51 PM
thugs followed UCF last year?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 30, 2018, 08:46:09 PM
as strange as it is to say....

if there is more to being a college football coach than wins, then Richt may be one of the best of all time.  his activities off field and working with former players is hugely positive for not only the game but humanity.  i've got nothing but respect for that man.  

 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2018, 08:51:57 PM
Yep. Lots of pressure down there. The question is.. who wants that job? A fading helmet school with an off-campus stadium and a fanbase that expects Jimmy Johnson to walk through the door.
from this week in Husker history...........
«1923-24: The stress of a tough year takes its toll on Nebraska coach Fred Dawson, who is recuperating in Colorado from a “nervous breakdown” suffered at the end of the season.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: rook119 on December 30, 2018, 08:53:06 PM
Holgo rumored to Houston. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MrNubbz on December 30, 2018, 09:49:35 PM
from this week in Husker history...........
«1923-24: The stress of a tough year takes its toll on Nebraska coach Fred Dawson, who is recuperating in Colorado from a “nervous breakdown” suffered at the end of the season.

With Prohibition on the poor bastard prolly hadn't had a drink in a while.Getting stuck with the Bugeaters pushed him over the edge
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on December 30, 2018, 09:59:57 PM
Wouldn't mind some Mario Cristobal to Miami distractions over the next 24 hours.
Seeing his name thrown out left and right.  Good
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 30, 2018, 10:28:10 PM
Rex Ryan to Miami?  uh....... 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2018, 10:40:14 PM
the Canes deserve Rex
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 30, 2018, 10:42:56 PM
Its Diaz after all... Ryan to fins?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2018, 10:47:35 PM
With Prohibition on the poor bastard prolly hadn't had a drink in a while.Getting stuck with the Bugeaters pushed him over the edge
at least the guy beat Notre Dame that season
UPSET OF THE YEAR: Nebraska, winners of just one of its first four games, rose up and defeated mighty Notre Dame in Lincoln, dealing the visiting Irish and their “Four Horsemen” backfield their only defeat for the second consecutive season.
ECKERSALL’S ANALYSIS: The game’s referee, Walter Eckersall, was an official who doubled as a Chicago Tribune sportswriter, and he provided several paragraphs of postgame analysis. He called the Nebraska victory “decisive” and said the Cornhuskers “outplayed Notre Dame in practically every department.” On defense, NU’s tackles “aided the ends considerably in stopping the attempted end plays of Miller and Crowley, the Notre Dame half backs. The guards also played wide and appeared to know the delayed line plunging stuff of Layden and the other backs. When Notre Dame opened up its forward passing attack, the passer was rushed considerably while Nebraska generally managed to cover the eligible players in convincing manner.”
FROM THE LOCAL PAPERS: The Lincoln Star’s Cy Sherman wrote: “The glories of the days of Chamberlain, Rutherford, Westover, Bender, Shonka, Frank and Flippin, Husker heroes of former years, were born anew as Coach Dawson’s well rounded gridiron machine, at last coming into its own, overpowered and shattered the Hibernian peril.” … The Omaha World-Herald also described it with flair: “The moleskin warriors from the wheat plain of Nebraska went wild with fight and played the game with the savage attack that had been smoldering in their hearts for many weeks.” … The OWH praised the booming punts of Verne Lewellen and dubbed him “Long Distance Lew.”


ROCKNEKNUTE’S ANTIC: From the Francis Wallace book Knute Rockne: “The trip had begun badly. Shortly after we arrived Rockne showed me a banner headline on the sports page of the Lincoln Star: THE HORRIBLE HIBERNIANS ARRIVE TODAY. It was, we knew, our friend Cy Sherman, the volatile sports editor, merely being alliterative; but Rock, no Hibernian himself, thought it in bad taste. Later, at what was supposed to be secret practice, numbers of Nebraska freshmen in green caps sat in the bleachers and jeered the great Rockne and his Horrible Hibernians. Other faces peered from windows of buildings which surrounded the field. Rock, burning at all this, said, ‘They want to see something – we’ll show ’em something.’ So, on the spot, he put in a triple reverse, probably the one his Tricky Tiger team had used in grade-school days. And the boys worked it.”
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on December 30, 2018, 10:54:50 PM
Heh, and now Manny Diaz staying at Miami as head coach.  That Temple stepping stone is unparalleled
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: rook119 on December 30, 2018, 11:17:13 PM
Heh, and now Manny Diaz staying at Miami as head coach.  That Temple stepping stone is unparalleled
Undefeated at Temple, nothing more to accomplish there. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 31, 2018, 08:18:08 AM
They have a fan base?
3,769 of them.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Kris60 on December 31, 2018, 02:46:02 PM
Holgorsen to Houston rumors picking up steam here in WV.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on December 31, 2018, 02:47:17 PM
IMHO that would be a step back.  Unless he has ties to Houston, that would make little sense.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 31, 2018, 03:18:28 PM
Holgorsen to Houston rumors picking up steam here in WV.  
He wants raise.
Why go there? 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Kris60 on December 31, 2018, 04:47:46 PM
Hmm. A long, complicated answer.  While going from a solid P5 school to a G5 is unusual it also potentially gives him a reset on his coaching career.  DH has been here 8 years now.  And while he has been pretty good he also hasn’t been spectacular and next year looks like it could be a rough one.

If he takes a step back at WVU he is probably gone.  He’s already working for an AD that didn’t hire him.  He is familiar with the area and apparently likes the area as well.  Winning a conference title is probably easier at Houston in the AAC than it is at WVU in the Big 12.  I think some natives are starting to get restless too.  Most of the fanbase thinks with this year’s roster and especially Grier at QB WVU should have finished with more than 8 wins.

I think he’s done an altogether pretty good job here but I would be ok if he left too.  It feels like he may have plateaued here. My biggest concern is getting the wrong guy here.  Some of our fanbase thinks 7 wins and a bowl is our floor.  It can be much worse.  There is very little in-state talent to draw from.  The facilities, even by the admission of the AD, aren’t up to par.  WV is one of the poorest and smallest states in the country.  We get the wrong guy here and we could be looking at a decade of Indiana like results.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2019, 12:03:04 AM
Sources now saying Holgorsen to Houston is all but done.  Word up here was Holgorsen wanted an extension to his WVU contract that ends in 2020. WVU was willing to add a year but nothing more.

Probably a good time for both parties to go their separate ways.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2019, 03:30:27 AM
Weird
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2019, 05:06:03 PM
Apparently Okie States OC will join Ohio State as QB coach
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: rook119 on January 01, 2019, 07:09:29 PM
Holgo had a decent enough resume to go to a higher profile/equal to WVU school for about the same pay. However he just never struck me as a guy who enjoys being small town royality. Or maybe he just liked living in Texas.

8 years, which is a lot longer than most coaches hang around and/or get fired. He did well.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2019, 07:11:03 PM
Now hearing WVU may be close to nabbing Neal Brown from Troy. I’d be pretty pleased with that hire.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Entropy on January 02, 2019, 01:11:01 PM
that would be a good hire.

If the playoffs expands to 8 teams, it will be easier to get in coaching at houston than WV.    
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Kris60 on January 04, 2019, 04:07:51 PM
Neal Brown to WVU. I really like this hire
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Kris60 on January 04, 2019, 06:22:00 PM
Dana and WVU is a really unusual split.  Usually when a school and coach go their separate ways either the school/fanbase is disappointed the relationship is over or the coach is.

This isn’t the case here.  Dana goes to a town he seems to genuinely like, doesn’t take a pay cut, and gets one of the best G5 jobs in the country.  You can argue he actually just increased his chances to coach in a NY6 bowl.

A big portion of the fanbase thought it was a good time to turn the page and give someone else a shot and WVU gets a guy that the fans are ecstatic about and is being applauded by basically anyone who covers the sport.  They didn’t have to buyout any of Dana’s contract and, in fact, got a million dollars from Houston.

Can anyone off the top of their head think of a similar split?  I can’t.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 04, 2019, 06:34:14 PM
No, this is a very rare occurrence. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on January 06, 2019, 02:24:52 PM
Apparently Louisville was looking for a way to move from JLS to Petrino when MSU helped them out and hired him.  JLS got to go to a BCS job, and Louisville was able to promote the guy they were worried about getting hired away to a mid major head coaching job.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: rolltidefan on January 07, 2019, 09:56:22 AM
No, this is a very rare occurrence.
Reminds me of bill curry leaving bama for uk. 
Bama gave him an “extension” offer but he bolted for uk. I don’t think anyone on either side was upset. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on January 08, 2019, 03:19:48 PM
So Kingsbury goes from fired at a middling P5 job to being an NFL head coach?

Not bad
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on January 08, 2019, 03:36:37 PM
So Kingsbury goes from fired at a middling P5 job to being an NFL head coach?

Not bad
Crazy. 
Never seen anyone fail upward quite like Kilff K.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: MaximumSam on January 08, 2019, 04:05:51 PM
Colleges hire failed NFL coaches all the time, seems only fair it goes the other way sometimes
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on January 08, 2019, 04:10:56 PM
Colleges hire failed NFL coaches all the time, seems only fair it goes the other way sometimes
The Cardinals are probably hoping that Kliff can be the McVey to Rosen’s Goff.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on January 08, 2019, 04:22:26 PM
The Cardinals are probably hoping that Kliff can be the McVey to Rosen’s Goff.
I think that's the exact blueprint
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on January 08, 2019, 04:51:34 PM
He was just OK at Texas Tech.  I would have thought that he would have at least had a couple of years as an OC first.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Kris60 on January 08, 2019, 06:07:52 PM
The Cardinals are probably hoping that Kliff can be the McVey to Rosen’s Goff.
Yep. I find this surprising. Make him an OC or QB coach. Guess we’ll see.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 08, 2019, 06:23:15 PM
If he can get some competent defensive coaching talent, I could see it working. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on January 08, 2019, 11:45:48 PM
Tennessee poaches OC Jim Chaney away from Georgia.

Dave Warner remains MSUs OC
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on January 08, 2019, 11:52:26 PM
Tennessee poaches OC Jim Chaney away from Georgia.

Dave Warner remains MSUs OC
Not sure how good a hire that is for Tennessee. 
If Kirby Smart plays his cards right he can make a massive upgrade at that spot. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 09, 2019, 12:47:16 AM
Crazy.
Never seen anyone fail upward quite like Kilff K.
Lane Kiffin
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on January 09, 2019, 07:45:47 AM
Not sure how good a hire that is for Tennessee.
If Kirby Smart plays his cards right he can make a massive upgrade at that spot.
Disagree, I think he's perfect for a team with a talent advantage.  Like we were discussing in the thread about how maybe having Tua wasn't best for Alabama, because they went away from how they are built, Chaney can stay within the framework that works, but has more wrinkles.  HobesHon, Harbaugh should hire him, I think he'd do great in Ann Arbor.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 09, 2019, 07:52:48 AM
Lane Kiffin
His career trajectory is the exact opposite of falling up.

Started in the NFL, then worked his way down to a G5. 

Had his career instead unfolded in reverse, then he would have been continuously falling up.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on January 09, 2019, 08:32:46 PM
NY Jets are hiring Adam Gase to be their next head coach. 

Pretty solid hire imo. Not completely sold on Darnold yet, but he’s a HELL of a lot better piece to work with than Ryan Tannehill’s trash ass and I believe the Jets have a crap load of cap space to go sign some free agents.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on January 10, 2019, 11:21:56 PM
Former Husker quarterback Zac Taylor is reportedly the Cincinnati Bengals’ choice as the team’s next head coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on January 11, 2019, 04:21:47 PM
Northern Illinois, the Huskers’ third 2019 opponent, is looking for a new head coach as Rod Carey takes the job at Temple.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: rolltidefan on January 11, 2019, 04:41:21 PM
Disagree, I think he's perfect for a team with a talent advantage.  Like we were discussing in the thread about how maybe having Tua wasn't best for Alabama, because they went away from how they are built, Chaney can stay within the framework that works, but has more wrinkles.  HobesHon, Harbaugh should hire him, I think he'd do great in Ann Arbor.
what thread is that? cause it's wrong, whoever suggested that. we didn't do much different from what we've been doing, we were just amazingly more effective in doing it.
also, haven't checked this thread in awhile, bama has had quite a few coaches jumping to better spots.
oc coach locksley to maryland hc
wr coach gattis is oc at mich.
qb coach enos is oc at miami.
ol coach keys is ol/assistant hc at ga tech (his alma mater)
might be more movement coming.
good for them all, but man this is getting old. i'll be honest, until about halfway through the season i'm not sure i knew all of our coaches names.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on January 11, 2019, 06:59:38 PM
it wouls stand to reason that Clemson would lose as many assistants
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: CWSooner on January 11, 2019, 08:55:53 PM
Interesting thread!

It's a few days old now, but Oklahoma hired Buckeye Co-DC Alex Grinch as DC.

Sooner fans are mostly very impressed, although there have been grumblings that the Buckeye defense in '18 wasn't stellar.  The response to that from the cheering section has been that Schiano ran the defense.

A lot of Sooner fans believe that if we had had even a mediocre defense the last two years we'd have won national championships #8 and 9.  Two once-in-a-generation QBs in a row, and what we have to show for it is four conference championships and three semifinal losses in the CFP.  Four consecutive conference championships is no small thing, but with offenses led by Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray, there seemed to be potential for much more than that.

I think Grinch will do fine.  The defensive talent isn't Bama- or Clemson-esque, but it's good enough to be near the top in the Big 12, instead of #8, 9, or 10 in just about every category.  And recruiting is getting better.  If Grinch is as good at OU as he was at Wazou, he'll do fine and so will we.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on January 15, 2019, 01:11:08 PM
Sark to Alabama as OC? Damn. Alabama had a lights out offensive staff and that offense broke every record under the sun- and now they go from that to a re-tread in Sark? Really? Weak ass hire. Probably going to see the same thing happen at Bama as what happened in Atlanta. Falcons go to the Super Bowl and have a record setting offense- then Kyle Shannan leaves and Sark comes in and Atlanta's record breaking offense falls off a cliff. Deja vu?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on January 15, 2019, 01:56:10 PM
I'm OK with this
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 15, 2019, 02:03:44 PM
Not all college coaches succeed in the NFL and vice-versa. Saban stunk it up in the NFL. Spurrier too. Who knows what Sark could have done at USC had he not been a drunk. If he's past that, he might be good.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on January 15, 2019, 04:06:15 PM
Not all college coaches succeed in the NFL and vice-versa. Saban stunk it up in the NFL. Spurrier too. Who knows what Sark could have done at USC had he not been a drunk. If he's past that, he might be good.
I don't know man. Not a believer in Sark. At all. Never thought he was all that. He's all hype. Literally. When he was at USC he was an errand boy. That was Norm Chow's explosive offense. What'd he do at Washington? Nothing. What'd he do at USC? Nothing. He basically just got fired from the Atlanta Falcons and the fans were happy as hell to see him go.
To me he's a dinosaur, coattail riding past his prime never was. Sort of like a Pep Hamilton, but probably got bigger opportunities to prove just how mediocre he is because he's white.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: fezzador on January 15, 2019, 04:18:59 PM
On the surface, it's a head-scratcher (surely the money the Cardinals would be paying him as an OC is significantly more than for the same position at Alabama).  But it might not have been a bad move on his part, since there's more stability in the college ranks for assistant coaches than in the NFL.  At Alabama, he's not getting paid to think.  He's getting paid to pay lip service to Nick Saban.  And that seems to be something he's more than comfortable with.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on January 23, 2019, 06:47:01 PM
Mike Hart a finalist for the ND RB coach job. Might even be the leader in the clubhouse. 

I will throw up in my mouth if he gets that job. Harbaugh needs to get off his ass and bring Hart home.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 23, 2019, 06:58:23 PM
Mike Hart a finalist for the ND RB coach job. Might even be the leader in the clubhouse.

I will throw up in my mouth if he gets that job. Harbaugh needs to get off his ass and bring Hart home.
Too much bad blood?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Mdot21 on January 23, 2019, 07:07:18 PM
Too much bad blood?
Apparently not. Insiders say Hart bleeds Michigan and would walk over broken glass to get that job offer. 
Harbaugh talked to him about coming on board two off-seasons ago but they decided to hire another OL coach and move JayBaugh to RB coach. Big mistake. Should’ve offered Hart the job then and there.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: Anonymous Coward on January 23, 2019, 07:15:57 PM
Good for Mike if he gets it.

As for bad blood, I doubt it. The hatchet seems pretty well buried, and I'm not sure either actually ever saw it as that big of a deal. Rhetoric, sure. But just one week of sound bytes (did not continue for years) and not enough to compromise a career trajectory. Similar example: Harbaugh was a meaningful nemesis of Jim McElwain's and yet JMc readily joined the staff to become JH's inferior despite it. Because good career moves are good career moves. And probably because the one in Ann Arbor is a neutral if not outright positive work environment. For every rumor scandalizing that Harbaugh is hard to work for, there's an anecdote implying he's fun to be around.

Mike Hart's a professional. Bad blood shouldn't be assumed.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 23, 2019, 08:24:13 PM
Pitt picked up Chris Beatty. 

Very good recruiter. Wish we would have kept him on board in some capacity. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 23, 2019, 08:44:29 PM
Pitt picked up Chris Beatty.

Very good recruiter. Wish we would have kept him on board in some capacity.
# Me too. But they guy they have now is pretty good.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on January 24, 2019, 05:09:12 PM
Louisiana Tech has reportedly hired Bob Diaco as defensive coordinator.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: CWSooner on January 25, 2019, 08:31:05 PM
Louisiana Tech has reportedly hired Bob Diaco as defensive coordinator.
Diaco's career trajectory is not going in the direction one would think he would like it to be going.
DC at Yukon is better than what he was likely to get at OU, but a mere three  years ago he was the HFC at UConn.  Since then, he's been a DC, a quality control person (or whatever the position is that prohibits on-field coaching), a position coach, and now he's the DC at a G8 school.
If he tears it up at La. Tech, maybe he'll get back on the fast track, but I doubt that will be the case.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on January 26, 2019, 10:07:37 AM
he could change his philosophy there, passive bend but don't break doesn't work vs RPO offenses these days
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: ELA on January 29, 2019, 08:59:29 AM
USC just replaced Kingsbury with North Texas OC Graham Harrell.  Just one former Texas Tech QB with another.

Mike Leach's recruiting pitch to every QB is simply that you won't play in the NFL, but you'll have a quick rise through the coaching ranks.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 09:15:06 AM
play in the NFL for 3-5 years or coach for 30?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Carousel
Post by: FearlessF on May 30, 2019, 05:21:58 PM
FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. – Arkansas head coach Chad Morris has added former head coach Turner Gill to his staff as the Executive Director of Student-Athlete and Staff Development.

Gill will provide direct oversight for football student-athlete programming designed to foster leadership, personal accountability, social development, academic direction, self-identity and awareness along with emotional intelligence. He will also provide guidance and development to the coaching and support staffs while engaging the Arkansas community and Razorbacks football alumni.