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Title: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on September 17, 2018, 04:50:25 PM
Junior, I drank a few Trappistes Rocheforts this past weekend.  Undoubtedly the best beer I've ever tasted.
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Post by: FearlessF on September 17, 2018, 05:10:41 PM
I absolutely LOVE this thread
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on September 17, 2018, 05:34:54 PM
I've always thought we could use a beer thread.
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Post by: FearlessF on September 17, 2018, 05:40:43 PM
why hasn't anyone thought of this before?
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Post by: utee94 on September 17, 2018, 06:37:42 PM
Brilliant idea, this beer thread!

Slick-- Rochefort beers are so darn delicious, you chose wisely.  They make a couple varieties that you can usually get here in the USA.  They're all good.  You gotta look out though, their ABV is very, very high.
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Post by: Mr Tulip on September 19, 2018, 10:53:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gql9220Qon8
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Post by: FearlessF on September 19, 2018, 02:02:21 PM
I Like Beer by Tom T Hall - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOiyksNlrY0)
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Post by: TexasFan on October 09, 2018, 10:24:34 AM
Coors regular is my beer of choice when I am at home.  If I am at the Lake or beach, its Miller Lite.  
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Post by: longhorn320 on October 09, 2018, 12:04:29 PM
Coors regular is my beer of choice when I am at home.  If I am at the Lake or beach, its Miller Lite.  
I too am a Miller Lite drinker
Im not saying its the best but good enough
I realize Miller Lite isnt the choice of the beautiful people but
its my choice
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 12:48:11 PM
Miller Lite is one of the very few beers I can't drink

there seems to be an issue with Budweiser drinkers and Miller Lite and the opposite

many Miller Lite drinkers I know just can't stomach the heavy Bud
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Post by: longhorn320 on October 09, 2018, 12:52:45 PM
Miller Lite is one of the very few beers I can't drink

there seems to be an issue with Budweiser drinkers and Miller Lite and the opposite

many Miller Lite drinkers I know just can't stomach the heavy Bud
I think you may be right
When I try to drink a beer like bud or  or Schlitz its like I switched from milk to a malt
I do like regular miller and as I said Corona
Im not really a fan of Coors
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 01:23:55 PM
I can drink Miller Genuine Draft and High Life, just can't get the Lite down
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 09, 2018, 02:26:57 PM
Coors, Shiner Bock, Corona, Rolling Rock.... all in my garage fridge.

But fellas, while I respect your man cards, you realize this was supposed to be a "mead" thread, right?  Read the room.
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Post by: Riffraft on October 09, 2018, 03:13:47 PM
I guess I am a beer snob. I mainly drink Four Peaks' Kiltlifter (a Phoenix craft beer company that has been bought out by Anheuser-busch). It is a fantastic Scottish Ale. During the fall I will order 5 cases of Shipyard's Pumkinhead (A Maine craft brewer) for the wife, but I will also drink. 
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 03:55:41 PM
you can stand next to utee94
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 03:56:09 PM
Coors, Shiner Bock, Corona, Rolling Rock.... all in my garage fridge.
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Post by: Mr Tulip on October 09, 2018, 04:35:21 PM
If you can see through it, it's probably not for me.
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 09, 2018, 05:08:54 PM
>> Coors, Shiner Bock, Corona, Rolling Rock.... all in my garage fridge.

RR is my favorite lately.  All the good of drinking beer without having to fight.
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 05:42:00 PM
I'm not a fan or RR

Coors banquet, Shiner Bock, Negra Modelo all fit my tastes
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Post by: CousinFreddie on October 09, 2018, 07:15:26 PM
I used to like Shiner Bock and Negra Modelo, back in the day.  They were okay, but just okay.

However, it's been years and years since I've had a mass produced beer like Bud or Miller.  I can't remember the last time.  Life is just too short to waste my limited beer space, my limited beer time, in this ever shortening life, on that stuff.  If that's being a beer snob, so be it, but it's just a matter of taste for me.  

The choice between a mass produced beer vs a microbrew (preferably on draft) is like choosing between a bama pie out of the vending machine vs a homemade fruit pie by your grandmom (or her recipe anyway, and I did learn how to make a respectable pie crust from my grandmom).  I mean, in a pinch I'll eat the bama pie, but given the choice, give me the homemade style.  Give me the craft brew.  Give me the true good taste.  Life is too short for the swill.  Sorry.
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 07:22:52 PM
I'm going to assume my beer space and beer time isn't nearly as limited
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Post by: CousinFreddie on October 09, 2018, 07:35:36 PM
Can't argue with that - I like your optimism Frank
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
If I'm not getting ready to go to work or at work, I'm usually drinking

sometimes I think I work too much
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 09, 2018, 08:12:08 PM
I like Guinness the best but I drink a lot of Dos Equis.  I didn’t used to but it seems be everywhere now, all icy cold in green bottles just dripping condensation.  I like how light it is.  You can slam it down fast like Gatorade.

Still if I had my druthers and I’m drinking beer to enjoy its flavor, I’ll take a malted barley beer on draft, 9 timss out of 10.

When I was down in Miami Beach the other week, evernody was drinking Stella Antois. Or something like that.

Tasted like Killian Red strained through the panties of a very old hooker.
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 09:47:13 PM
not a good flavor
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Post by: utee94 on October 09, 2018, 09:54:29 PM
Stella's good in Belgium.  The green bottles don't travel over the pond very well.  Same thing for Beck's, Heineken, etc.

Corona in clear bottles is even worse.  Light strike is the #1 cause for bad, skunked out beer flavors.  #2 is oxidation.  Which is why brown bottles are always better than green or clear, and why cans are better than bottles in every possible way.

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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 10:24:06 PM
Tasted like Killian Red strained through the panties of a very old hooker.
I drink quite a bit of Guinness,  It's very good for a light beer
I'm curious regarding Charlie's description of a "very old" hooker
I'm guessing a lady in her 40's.  50's and above would probably require something more like "very very old" or "scary old"
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 09, 2018, 10:31:40 PM
I drink quite a bit of Guinness,  It's very good for a light beer
I'm curious regarding Charlie's description of a "very old" hooker
I'm guessing a lady in her 40's.  50's and above would probably require something more like "very very old" or "scary old"
Nobody ever knows how old they are.  The one I had in mind would look about 70 but she might only be 46.
It’s a hard knocks life.
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 10:47:47 PM
Nobody ever knows how old they are.  

It’s a hard knocks life.
true and true

but 46 sounds about right
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 09, 2018, 11:29:09 PM
I used to like Shiner Bock and Negra Modelo, back in the day.  They were okay, but just okay.

However, it's been years and years since I've had a mass produced beer like Bud or Miller.  I can't remember the last time.  Life is just too short to waste my limited beer space, my limited beer time, in this ever shortening life, on that stuff.  If that's being a beer snob, so be it, but it's just a matter of taste for me.  

The choice between a mass produced beer vs a microbrew (preferably on draft) is like choosing between a bama pie out of the vending machine vs a homemade fruit pie by your grandmom (or her recipe anyway, and I did learn how to make a respectable pie crust from my grandmom).  I mean, in a pinch I'll eat the bama pie, but given the choice, give me the homemade style.  Give me the craft brew.  Give me the true good taste.  Life is too short for the swill.  Sorry.
Fred, isn't it beneath you to be a Sooner fan?

It's kinda, well you know, kinda common fare, for lack of a better term.
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 09, 2018, 11:32:19 PM
and why cans are better than bottles in every possible way.
I knew it!!  Canned beer does taste better.  I knew it wasn't in my mind.
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Post by: CousinFreddie on October 10, 2018, 01:10:53 AM
Funny Caveman but now that you brought it up, your choice of common swill and your team loyalties aren’t incongruent at all.  Fancy that.
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 10, 2018, 07:43:46 AM
I prefer beer on tap, followed by beer in bottles. I never buy canned beer.  It just tastes better from a glass IMO.  

So does ice tea and Arnold Palmers. Everything tastes better from glass.

On a similar but somewhat different note, I use deodorant instead of antiperspirant, and my i s c & a w and I used heavy duty Calphalon pots and pans instead of aluminum cookware.  I try very hard to keep my body from absorbing anything with aluminum in it or that has been in contact with aluminum.

I know early ‘90s scientists were never able to directly link the high amounts of aluminum in the brains of Alzheimer patients to things like aluminum cans or cookware or antiperspirants and it is likely a dubious correlation but I ain’t taking no chances.  A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 10, 2018, 07:52:02 AM
Cousin Fred is a wonderful sort.

Urbane, sophisticated, cosmopolitan.   College professor, nice guy, raconteur, a success from humble beginnings.

Been everywhere, done everything.  Dusted the grime of Muskogee off his hippie sandals long ago.

But he still carries one small trinket of Oklahoma in his heart - his love of Sooner football.

Probably cause he’d rather hobnob with us eclectic, exasperating yet unceasingly friendly Longhorn fans rather than those crazy, dangerous Uraguan futbol rivals of his beloved Argentina.

And did you know there’s a major road in El Paso named after Fred Wilson?  Makes me smile every time I see it.  I tell everybody there, “I know Fred.  He’s my cousin.”
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Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2018, 08:46:49 AM
I prefer beer on tap, followed by beer in bottles. I never buy canned beer.  It just tastes better from a glass IMO.  
You're actually 100% correct on this.  All beer is made to be poured into a glass.  Regardless of the transportation vessel-- can, bottle, keg, wooden cask-- it's all better when poured into a glass and consumed that way.  Even crappy macroswill is slightly less crappy when poured into a glass.  A large part of this is because the smell is better detected from the large opening of a glass compared to the smaller opening of a bottle or can, and like anything else we eat or drink, the smell is a large contributor to the flavor and experience.   A secondary part is that the "mouth-feel" of the glass is more pleasant to most people, compared to a bottle or can.   

Convenience sometimes dictates that it's easier for me to simply drink out of the packaging container-- most often this means drinking from beer cans whilst on the lake, as I don't allow glass on my boat and it's illegal on most public Texas waterways anyway.  I'll also drink bottled or canned beer at bars where they don't have draft options and don't have glasses to pour, but that's becoming less common every day. 

So although they're not great to drink from directly, cans are a far better method to preserve beer than bottles, which is why most craft breweries are switching over to cans these days.  Buy what you like and drink what you like, but if cans are an option, then they're 100% guaranteed to preserve the beer better than bottles ever could.
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 10, 2018, 09:00:03 AM
Buy what you like and drink what you like, but if cans are an option, then they're 100% guaranteed to preserve the beer better than bottles ever could.
And possibly give you Alzheimers.
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Post by: FearlessF on October 10, 2018, 10:44:20 AM
 All beer is made to be poured into a glass.  Regardless of the transportation vessel-- can, bottle, keg, wooden cask-- it's all better when poured into a glass and consumed that way.  Even crappy macroswill is slightly less crappy when poured into a glass.  A large part of this is because the smell is better detected from the large opening of a glass compared to the smaller opening of a bottle or can, and like anything else we eat or drink, the smell is a large contributor to the flavor and experience.   A secondary part is that the "mouth-feel" of the glass is more pleasant to most people, compared to a bottle or can.  
learned all this at seaworld in San Antonio - brewmaster school or something while my daughters were feeding the dolphins
if the beer is not poured from the bottle or can into a glass and allowed to make a head, then that gas is forced to exit your body by one of two ways
most dirt farmers I drink with kinda enjoy the occasional belch or fart
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Post by: FearlessF on October 10, 2018, 10:49:01 AM
And possibly give you Alzheimers.
nearly all beer cans, not just Keystone, are lined with Epoxy resins, most of which are made from bisphenol A (BPA).
Probably much more dangerous to your heath than aluminum
I'm sure Cincy can tell you plenty.
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Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2018, 10:53:02 AM
I thought keystone was glass-lined, not resin-lined?  Did they LIE????

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Post by: longhorn320 on October 10, 2018, 12:09:54 PM
nearly all beer cans, not just Keystone, are lined with Epoxy resins, most of which are made from bisphenol A (BPA).
Probably much more dangerous to your heath than aluminum
I'm sure Cincy can tell you plenty.
big deal ...... just another thing I like that can kill me
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Post by: FearlessF on October 10, 2018, 04:25:16 PM
I thought keystone was glass-lined, not resin-lined?  Did they LIE????


can you imagine if Charlie broke the glass and sucked down the shards?
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 10, 2018, 09:10:43 PM

If one consumed enough canned beer to develop Alzheimer's, I'm sure he's on his third liver.
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Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2018, 09:39:21 PM
Also, there are no credible studies-- no credible link-- between everyday sources of aluminum, and the development of Alzheimer's or other forms of dementia.

In other news, the world is not flat.
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Post by: longhorn320 on October 10, 2018, 10:22:55 PM
If one consumed enough canned beer to develop Alzheimer's, I'm sure he's on his third liver.
who are you
do I know you
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Post by: FearlessF on October 15, 2018, 02:04:02 PM
Increasing bouts of extreme heat waves and drought will hurt production of barley, a key beer ingredient, in the future. Losses of barley yield can be as much as 17 percent, an international group of researchers estimated.

That means beer prices on average would double, even adjusting for inflation, according to the study in Monday’s journal Nature Plants . In countries like Ireland, where cost of a brew is already high, prices could triple.

https://apnews.com/3f7f6cab367a489fb41d728f8a69f63b (https://apnews.com/3f7f6cab367a489fb41d728f8a69f63b)
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 15, 2018, 02:06:23 PM
Increasing bouts of extreme heat waves and drought will hurt production of barley, a key beer ingredient, in the future. Losses of barley yield can be as much as 17 percent, an international group of researchers estimated.

So you're saying global warming may be relevant after all?
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Post by: utee94 on October 15, 2018, 02:09:20 PM
Consumers of beer have proven to be relatively price-inelastic over the decades, which means that increases to beer prices don't correlate to decreases in demand.  This has proven mostly true over the past 10-15 years, as beer prices have crept up year after year, and demand has remained relatively stable.

But doubling the price from where it is right now ? That would make a dent. 
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Post by: FearlessF on October 15, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
hah, if I want to double the price of my beer, I just go from NW Iowa to Austin, TX
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Post by: FearlessF on October 15, 2018, 03:53:17 PM
anyone have an opinion on the Shiner Oktoberfest?

I noticed it in the grocery the other evening, but wasn't willing to give $8 for a sixer to test it.
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 15, 2018, 04:08:38 PM
Consumers of beer have proven to be relatively price-inelastic over the decades, which means that increases to beer prices don't correlate to decreases in demand.

This brings me to a brief interlude.  Smoking.

A couple of decades ago, a pack of cigarettes went from like $1 to $5 almost overnight.  And what happened?  Less people were smoking.  Who was going to pay $5 for a stinking pack of smokes?  What are we, idiots?

But now a new generation comes around.... a generation that doesn't know about the $1 pack.  Teens today will happily pay $5 for a pack of cigs.  And smoking has taken somewhat of a rebound.

What you will pay for something is a matter of conditioning.
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Post by: FearlessF on October 15, 2018, 04:13:10 PM
and the huge spike in Cigarettes was the sin tax increase

I will admit, when I'm being charged $10 for a Budweiser, I don't consume as much
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 15, 2018, 05:00:34 PM
Leonard Smalls, the bounty hunter played by Randall "Tex" Cobb in "Raising Arizona," put it quite eloquently when he said, "Price. A fair price. That's not what you say it is, and it's not what I say it is... It's what the market will bear."

In certain venues that offer certain entertainment, I have paid exorbitant prices for certain foods and beverages that would have no business costing near that much in other venues offering other entertainment options.

But once you've spent $20 bucks on a beer or $30 on a burger, you feel a bit hypocritical complaining about the comparatively small yet seemingly outrageous costs of those same items elsewhere.


That's life.  If you want a beer and can afford the price, you'll pay it.
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Post by: utee94 on October 15, 2018, 05:04:02 PM
anyone have an opinion on the Shiner Oktoberfest?

I noticed it in the grocery the other evening, but wasn't willing to give $8 for a sixer to test it.
It's below average for a Marzen/Oktoberfest  beer.
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Post by: utee94 on October 15, 2018, 05:06:23 PM
Leonard Smalls, the bounty hunter played by Randall "Tex" Cobb in "Raising Arizona," put it quite eloquently when he said, "Price. A fair price. That's not what you say it is, and it's not what I say it is... It's what the market will bear."

In certain venues that offer certain entertainment, I have paid exorbitant prices for certain foods and beverages that would have no business costing near that much in other venues offering other entertainment options.

But once you've spent $20 bucks on a beer or $30 on a burger, you feel a bit hypocritical complaining about the comparatively small yet seemingly outrageous costs of those same items elsewhere.


That's life.  If you want a beer and can afford the price, you'll pay it.
For sure, the market is situational and varies based on proximal environment.
But I thought those places that charged for $20 beers also compensated by giving you a juicy sirloin steak for only $3.99?
I'll admit my familiarity with such establishments is minimal.
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Post by: Mr Tulip on October 15, 2018, 05:14:01 PM
Global Warming to cause beer shortage

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41477-018-0263-1
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 15, 2018, 05:19:45 PM
For sure, the market is situational and varies based on proximal environment.
But I thought those places that charged for $20 beers also compensated by giving you a juicy sirloin steak for only $3.99?
I'll admit my familiarity with such establishments is minimal.

It's the old, 
Do I want it for only $9.99 (plus $17 shipping and handling)?
Or would I rather pay $26.99 and get FREE shipping and handling?
Or
Do I want to pay $37,500 for this new F150 and have them give me $9,000 on my old beater?

Or would I prefer to pay only $28,500 to the people who refuse to take my trade in?
It's all about whatever sounds most tolerable.
They gonna screw you no matter what.  Why wear out everybody by putting up a fight?
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 16, 2018, 09:14:55 AM
Do I want to pay $37,500 for this new F150 and have them give me $9,000 on my old beater?

Or would I prefer to pay only $28,500 to the people who refuse to take my trade in?

I'm not sure how I feel about the internets when it comes to new car shopping.

On the plus side, you pretty well know what your best purchase price will be for an F150.  A man doesn't have to drive all over the state to compare deals/prices.  You just hop on the internets.  Hence, dealers have to be competitive at first blush or they'll never get your attention.  Not like the old days.

On the negative side, there's no room for bargaining anymore - which I excelled at.  I took great pride 20 years ago driving home in my brand new Chevy single cab 2500 that I got for $21k, and talked the dealership into chrome bumpers to boot.  Sticker was $26k and had black bumpers.

My wife was embarrassed to stand by me while I operated on these guys.  I had to leave once - they called me while we eating lunch.  (We were in Abilene)  But after I closed the deal, my wife felt like she had just won the man lottery.  I couldn't get her off me the rest of that week.

The good ol' days of bargaining, I miss 'em.
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 16, 2018, 10:05:13 AM
When the missus and I first got married and we were DINKs (dual income/no kids) for a minute, I used to take her to resorts and I'd love to agree to listen to the timeshare sales pitches because in half hour, they would throw their best pitch, offer nice swag and I'd just grin and say no.

After one such pitch, my i s c & a w said she really hoped I would never make her sit through one of those ever again.  I said, but they've given us booze cruises and drink vouchers and overnight stays and mini vacations and we haven't spent a dime - only a half hour of listening to a pitch.

She said, "I don't care.  It's just not worth to me."

And thus my days as a coldhearted table-turner ended.
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Post by: CousinFreddie on October 16, 2018, 10:05:48 AM
I'm not sure how I feel about the internets when it comes to new car shopping.

On the plus side, you pretty well know what your best purchase price will be for an F150.  A man doesn't have to drive all over the state to compare deals/prices.  You just hop on the internets.  Hence, dealers have to be competitive at first blush or they'll never get your attention.  Not like the old days.

On the negative side, there's no room for bargaining anymore - which I excelled at.  I took great pride 20 years ago driving home in my brand new Chevy single cab 2500 that I got for $21k, and talked the dealership into chrome bumpers to boot.  Sticker was $26k and had black bumpers.

My wife was embarrassed to stand by me while I operated on these guys.  I had to leave once - they called me while we eating lunch.  (We were in Abilene)  But after I closed the deal, my wife felt like she had just won the man lottery.  I couldn't get her off me the rest of that week.

The good ol' days of bargaining, I miss 'em.
Huh, Cave, maybe we have more in common than I thought, except that my wife is at least as much of a hard bargainer as I am.  When we buy a car, we show up in the morning, pick out the car we want, and then sit there all day if need be until they give us essentially dealer cost.  It has worked for all four of our most recent purchases.  The trick is that they still get credit as a dealership for simply selling the car, and there are about I dunno 7-8 or so techniques they go through (including bringing out the store manager who angrily accuses you of not appreciating that they have lives and families and need to make a profit to live) before they finally give in.  They don't want you to leave, but you have no obligation to agree, and so we just sit on our price until they finally come down to it.  It usually takes a full day, but we've always saved a bundle that way.
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 16, 2018, 10:15:41 AM
Huh, Cave, maybe we have more in common than I thought, except that my wife is at least as much of a hard bargainer as I am.  When we buy a car, we show up in the morning, pick out the car we want, and then sit there all day if need be until they give us essentially dealer cost.  It has worked for all four of our most recent purchases.  The trick is that they still get credit as a dealership for simply selling the car, and there are about I dunno 7-8 or so techniques they go through (including bringing out the store manager who angrily accuses you of not appreciating that they have lives and families and need to make a profit to live) before they finally give in.  They don't want you to leave, but you have no obligation to agree, and so we just sit on our price until they finally come down to it.  It usually takes a full day, but we've always saved a bundle that way.
Trick is to come in with financing already settled and STICK WITH IT.
I have a couple of credit unions so I pit them against each other like a cockfight and go with whoever gives me the best deal.
Last time we bought a newer vehicle from a dealer, I told them we had financing covered so we would basically be paying cash.   Then we hunkered down for the day long process of getting the best price.
Somewhere along the line though, I made a terrible mistake.  The dealer asked me if they could check my credit and offer me even better financing.  I should've said no and stuck to my guns but in a moment of idiocy, I said okay.
Flash forward an hour or two we got the price we wanted and we knew for a fact that the financing from our CU was the best we could do.  We took the Jeep and left happy.  We even stood by it and posed for the stupid picture they put on Facebook or whatever.
Then Credit Karma told me my credit had taken a little hit because about 40 lenders had checked my credit that afternoon.
So yeah. I got the deal I wanted but they got a little twist of the knife in before we left.  Needless to say, lesson learn and that's a dealership we'll never go back to.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on October 16, 2018, 10:56:02 AM
When we buy a car, we show up in the morning, pick out the car we want, and then sit there all day if need be until they give us essentially dealer cost.

My approach was always to be disinterested.  As if I'm not even shopping for a car that day.  I tell the wife to go to the mall when I'm in this stage of the process.  She's way too easy to read.  I got screwed sideways on a Lexus about 12 years ago because they could read it all over the wife's face.  She was either getting that car or I was living out of a backpack.

At any rate, I play it nonchalant - make me a ridiculous deal and I'm all checkbook.  Otherwise, I got a ball game to watch at noon.
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Post by: FearlessF on October 16, 2018, 11:25:47 AM
I'm cold hearted when it comes to my money

I will spend the day.

I'm working on a Husker Red C6 Corvette this fall.  Dealer knows he can't sell it in the winter.  Will be April before anyone comes around.  I told him, "it can either sit in your garage or my garage over the winter."

I'm softening him up via email before I spend the time in his office.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 16, 2018, 11:30:02 AM
JYeah we’re on the same page here.  We always go in with a “who cares if we get a car” kind of attitude.  And we’re often ready to ease out the door.  They have to keep asking us to stay longer, as we’re fine leaving without a car, no worries.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 16, 2018, 11:35:46 AM
yup, ya gotta be willing to walk or you won't get the deal

leave the wife out of it

unless she's mean as hell and on your side :57:
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 16, 2018, 11:42:03 AM
My approach was always to be disinterested.  As if I'm not even shopping for a car that day.  I tell the wife to go to the mall when I'm in this stage of the process.  She's way too easy to read.  I got screwed sideways on a Lexus about 12 years ago because they could read it all over the wife's face.  She was either getting that car or I was living out of a backpack.

At any rate, I play it nonchalant - make me a ridiculous deal and I'm all checkbook.  Otherwise, I got a ball game to watch at noon.
Got an awesome deal on my most recent F150 purchase, doing just that.  The key was, I actually could take it or leave it.  Plenty more out there where this one came from and there was no urgency to my buying now, vs 3 months from now.  The salesman felt a lot more urgency than I did.
Your point is right, there's not a TON of room to bargain on an F150, but what I do know, is that I left nothing on the table.  
I walked in to multiple dealerships, test-drove at least a dozen trucks, told them all I what I was doing, and told them exactly what I was looking for-- specifically, I needed a truck that would tow at least 11,000 lbs with all of the appropriate towing options and gear ratios to do so comfortably-- and let them call me over the next week to throw their best at me.
Worked like a charm, and I even lucked into a Platinum package instead of the Lariat or King Ranch, because it was the only one the dealer had that included all my towing specs.  That salesman was motivated.  
And yes, my i s c & a aggie wife stayed out of it.  Similar to BC, she got me completely hosed when we bought her Toyota Solara convertible years ago.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 16, 2018, 11:45:03 AM
Sweet - What year corvette?  New or ?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 16, 2018, 11:46:05 AM
I'm cold hearted when it comes to my money

I will spend the day.

I'm working on a Husker Red C6 Corvette this fall.  Dealer knows he can't sell it in the winter.  Will be April before anyone comes around.  I told him, "it can either sit in your garage or my garage over the winter."

I'm softening him up via email before I spend the time in his office.
Wait.
You have times of the year when you can't drive cars?  Or certain cars?
Life in Iowa must be like that March of the Penguins movie.
At the moment, it is 48, cloudy and rainy and I hope it doesn't get any colder or wetter than this or I'm just going to stay in bed.   If it's not over 70 (at least on average), I don't want any part of it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 16, 2018, 01:05:39 PM
Yep, a hardiness zone of 7 is the lowest I’ll willingly go.  FF lives in a 4-5 area, which is just way too Brrrrr for me

https://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/ (https://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on October 16, 2018, 02:49:17 PM
At the moment, it is 48, cloudy and rainy and I hope it doesn't get any colder or wetter than this or I'm just going to stay in bed.

We're running about 41 degrees in Brownwood, non-stop rain for 3 days and no end in sight.  I suspect the town will be underwater day after tomorrow.  And I'm loving it.

I'm always a sucker for a change in the weather.  Besides, I've got an awesome Carhartt Longhorn coat that I don't get to wear enough.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 16, 2018, 03:04:20 PM
49 and cloudy in Austin, it's stopped raining at least for the moment.  I have a massive pot of chili on the burner right now, should be ready about 6.  Smells amazing already though...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 16, 2018, 09:05:51 PM
This morning my cat stuck his head out the doggie door for about 40 seconds, then pulled it back in, turned his head and gave me one of those Ice Cube gansta stares like he was ready to bust out the AK.

I tried my best to explain I didn’t control the weather but I don’t think he completely bought it.

Being a god in somebody’s eyes is not all you might think it would be.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 16, 2018, 09:13:17 PM
Ha!  

True dat
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 16, 2018, 09:54:53 PM
63 degrees and sunny this afternoon so I played 18 in my shorts

y'all should move here

Beers and cigars are great in this weather

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 16, 2018, 09:59:23 PM
Sweet - What year corvette?  New or ?
2013 Grand Sport 1LT listed at $33,997
or
2006 Z06 13,300 Miles. Price: Was $36,997 ?? Now $35,997
told them I have $30,000 cash
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 17, 2018, 12:04:59 AM
You’ll be stylin’ either way.  >400 horses.  How far are you from SD?  I think the top speed limit on SD freeways is 80.  Good for a vette.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 17, 2018, 08:02:31 AM
If this is the engine talk thread now, I gotta tell you how much I love the 3.5L twin turbo Ecoboost engine in my Ford F150.  After driving plodding V8 trucks for so long, this thing is a breath of fresh air!

And the way it tows, oh lawdy.  I'm pretty darn impressed with this vehicle.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 17, 2018, 11:28:32 AM
My father was a Mopar man & I tried to respect and uphold that preference.

Honestly aren’t 1970, 71 and 72 big block Cudas glorious?

But in the ‘80s I went with Toyota’s for the sake of reliability.

In the ‘90s when my kids were expensive and my income was inadequate, I couldn’t afford new vehicles or the exorbitant resale costs of foreign cars so I had to go with GM.

Some were great, some were mediocre, some were terrible.

I didn’t like the way GM mismanaged their money or reorganized after their bail out - that I didn’t much like either but I kept on buying and driving used GM products until a few years ago.

I had a Saturn Relay that kept overheating.  I replaced the radiator, hoses, thermostat, thermostat housing and water pump. The evil beast still overheated.  In the weeks I tried to fix it, I unbolted the thermostat housing maybe a couple dozen times.  There was one bolt that was so wickedly placed I became convinced that GM engineers were purely evil sadists.

The last time I failed at resolving the overheating problem, I sold the thing for scrap and became a Ford man.

Fords may not be perfect but I’ve been much happier.  

My oldest son moved out before my conversion so he still contends with OBS Chevy trucks that are broke down more than they run.   Every now and then I’ll ask him how many miles the F350 he drives at work has.  Last time I asked he said it had about 325,000 miles.   He still hasn’t figured out why I ask him that every time his Chevy is inoperable.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 17, 2018, 11:43:56 AM
I've had 2 Dodges, 2 Fords, and 2 Chevys in my life.  The 1981 Dodge Omni was a complete POS, but beyond that, reliability has been roughly the same for all of them.  

My i s c & a aggie wife has had a Honda and Toyota in the time we've been together.  The Toyota has had weird electrical problems from Day 1, and I'll never buy another Toyota because of it-- but the Honda was by far the best car I've ever owned.  Zero issues with it other than scheduled maintenance in the ~10 years we had it.  

I have no idea why we got rid of that thing.  My i s c & a aggie wife wanted a new car and liked the Toyota convertible, and we had the money, so we bought it and sold the Honda to my 18yo nephew, who promptly totaled it.  

Sure wish we still had that car.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 17, 2018, 11:55:47 AM
I'm not even sure I can remember all of the vehicles I've had over the years, but I can probably remember the best and the worst.

The best - 1986 Toyota pickup, 2000 Chevy Cavalier coupe with a 5 speed, 2004 Pontiac Montana, 2012 Ford Fiesta hatchback

The worst - 1988 Cadillac Cimarron, 1994 Chevy Corsica, 2003 Pontiac Sunfire, 2007 Saturn Relay

Funny thing is the Sunfire and Cavalier were basically the same thing, as were the Montana and Relay.   Yet in each group one was somewhat stellar while the other one was pretty much horrible.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 17, 2018, 11:57:13 AM
Some of you people change cars often.

I've had my last two SUVs for 12, and 11 years, consecutively.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 17, 2018, 12:02:45 PM
I bought the 2004 Montana in the fall of 2005 when the 2006s came out.  At the same time my brother-in-law bought a 2005 Honda Odyssey. 

Naturally he pooh-poohed the Montana as being historically unreliable per Consumer Report, while extolling his Odyssey as vastly superior in every respect.

It's not like I could afford to be choosy.  I spent a whole lot less on my Montana and it was simply the best deal for the money I could afford.

But I guess the evil capricious car gods were on my side, because they blessed my Montana and cursed his Odyssey.

He had to have the transmission, air conditioner and dvd player all replaced over the next few years.  In fact, I think he had the transmission replaced two or three times.

Meanwhile getting a new set of tires was the most costly maintenance I ever had to perform on the Montana.  The kids loved it.   It was funky, sporty, comfortable.

The Trans Am of minivans.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 17, 2018, 12:02:59 PM
My vehicles have spanned American made trucks, Japanese bikes, and Japanese and German compacts.  My favorites so far were the Ford F100 truck I had backin high school (indestructible, which is what I needed then) and this current VW Golf (which has a great sound system and can flat out scoot in traffic).  I did have a serious crush on my Yamaha 750 that I rode while I was in the service.  But it’s hard to carry the wife and son around on that.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 17, 2018, 12:06:57 PM
Some of you people change cars often.

I've had my last two SUVs for 12, and 11 years, consecutively.  
The Montana was rear-ended and deemed a total loss by the responsible party's insurance company.  
We kept the Cavalier 14 years.  I kept the Toyota pick up 11 years.  We still have the 2012 Fiesta.
I have five drivers on my insurance.  Cars are like groceries.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 17, 2018, 12:21:00 PM
I have no idea what a Montana or Odyssey might be.  Those names sound made up. Are they made up?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 17, 2018, 12:29:05 PM
I have no idea what a Montana or Odyssey might be.  Those names sound made up. Are they made up?
Please give me an example of a word that was not made up.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on October 17, 2018, 01:36:25 PM
I have my 2000 Dodge Durango that I bought new. No one else in the family messes with it, so it's mine. When it breaks down, I watch a YouTube video, order parts on Amazon, and ride my bike until I have time to fix it (and most other times even when the truck works anyway).

Now I've got big bass amps shoved in it, because I want it that way.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 17, 2018, 02:49:27 PM
Just in case Junior really does not know what Montanas and Odysseys are:  

Here's a 2005 Honda Odyssey like my B-I-L had:

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.2040-cars.com%2F_content%2Fcars%2Fimages%2F49%2F366149%2F003.jpg&hash=9376c5980e87955d296f906ef8cf7d31)

This, meanwhile, is a 2004 Pontiac Montana like I had:

(https://imganuncios.mitula.net/2004_pontiac_montana_m16_2200055421803656799.jpg)

As you can see, it was the... Trans Am...

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.2040-cars.com%2F_content%2Fcars%2Fimages%2F61%2F539961%2F001.jpg&hash=015da8e64de39efe0072a332cf44488a)

Of minivans!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 17, 2018, 02:54:51 PM
A friend of mine had an Olds Silhouette.  It was the Cadillac of minivans.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 17, 2018, 03:34:59 PM
I really had no idea.  I don't know anything about minivans.  

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 18, 2018, 03:04:13 PM
You’ll be stylin’ either way.  >400 horses.  How far are you from SD?  I think the top speed limit on SD freeways is 80.  Good for a vette.
I'm 30 minutes from South Dakota
I drove from Sewer City to Sewer Falls up I-29 yesterday afternoon.  Limit is 80mph.  Saw a couple Vettes near Beresford, SD where they are holding my soon to be Red C6.  https://www.jerryschevy.net/ (https://www.jerryschevy.net/)
The 2013 Grand Sport has been reduced from $34,997 to $32,997. 
 
The 2006 Z06 has been reduced from $36,997 to $34,997.
I told the salesman I have cash if he can get to $29,997 on either one.  He's holding out.  Says he can't get there.  If he can't I'm fine with that.  Will take it up again the in spring.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 18, 2018, 03:18:28 PM
Why it’s 71 in Souix Falls right now.  Only 57 here.   I’m still driving.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 18, 2018, 04:45:09 PM
I'll be driving my golf cart in less than an hour
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 23, 2018, 07:53:31 AM
Looks like I need to move to Sioux Falls. I'm already worn out with this cold and wet.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 29, 2018, 03:34:02 PM
On a slightly different subject, what are your thoughts on alcohol.

I have decided I like Herradurra Silver tequila.  Very smooth.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 29, 2018, 03:37:05 PM
I didn't realize Patron was $6/shot until someone ordered a round and put it on my tab last week in Lincoln

$48
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 29, 2018, 04:31:03 PM
Patron is pretty average and certainly not worth the extra.  At a similar price point, Don Julio is much better.

For "everyday" tequilas I like Espolon and Cazadores.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 29, 2018, 04:34:44 PM
Jeez, you guys are still able to handle all this hard stuff at your advanced ages?  I'm sincerely impressed.  One good 16 oz beer and I'm pretty much set.  Two, and I'm asking someone else to drive.  I can't remember the last time I had a tequila or whiskey shot.  Now, Oregon edibles, that's a different story ... but I have to ration those all the way over here in Maryland.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 29, 2018, 05:05:39 PM
never been one of those to act my age

but, I have been one of those that will drink what someone sets up in front of me
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 29, 2018, 05:20:33 PM
When I was younger I was less inclined to drink hard liquor but now that I'm older I sometimes find that I enjoy a bit because a little dab'll do me.   As a matter of fact, the sweetness and syrupiness of some cocktails can yuck my stomach up more than the alcohol would.   I'm not a soft drink drinker.   And I don't like syrupy sweet margarita mixes.

Take a smooth tequila like Herradurra Silver and it's plenty good with a salted rim, plenty of lime juice and a a few ice cubes.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 30, 2018, 12:29:22 PM
My brother travels back and forth to Mexico pretty often on business, and he was way way into tequila a few years ago.  Was savvy on all the main brands and how they differed, etc etc.  Listening to him talk about all that was a good antidote to insomnia.

For me, it's all just fire water.  I'll drink it for the buzz, but not the taste. 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 12:35:54 PM
yup, all that fire water tastes bad

some just tastes better than others
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2018, 02:13:22 PM
Good tequila has a ton of flavor and is easy to drink neat, rocks, or with a twist of lime.

Bad tequila tastes horrible and no amount of syrupy sweet mix can hide it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 30, 2018, 02:49:50 PM
For years I thought I couldn't afford anything more than Jose Cuervo Gold.  Consequently I could take it or leave it.

But tequila ain't like a six pack of beer.  You're probably not just going to sit there and drink it until it's gone unless your heart is broken or you have self-control issues.

Instead you're gonna nurse it along here and there.

Averaged out $40 or $50 for 750 ml is well worth the price cause it's just so much smoother.  It practically drinks you.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 04:15:03 PM
I figured out in college, when I didn't have a dime, that life was too short to drink cheap crappy booze.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2018, 04:43:28 PM
Amen, brutha.

I don't drink so much hard liquor that I can't afford something decent, and in a lot of cases you don't even need to spend $40 to get something decent.

For single malt Islay Scotch whisky, you can get a 750ml Laphroig 10yr for $37.

If you prefer smooth and inoffensive blended Scotch whisky, The Famous Grouse will run you around $21.

For tequila, you can get a 750ml Cazadores silver for $20, Cazadores reposado for $21, and Cazadores anejo for $35.

Tito's unflavored vodka is $17.

Bombay Sapphire juniper-berry-flavored vodka is $19.

Old Overholt is a delicious rye whiskey that you can get for around $15.

I have bottles of all of these, and twice again as many other styles and brands.  I doubt I go through even one per year of any of them, and that includes what I serve to guests.

There's no need at all to spend a ton, to drink good stuff.  You just need to sample a few, and be willing to look for value rather than trendy labels.










Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 04:48:43 PM
yup, amazing the folks that will drink cheap vodka out of a plastic bottle for $7/bottle instead of spending $17 for something decent

I'm a cheap skate, but I gotta draw the line on booze.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: UT-Erin03 on October 30, 2018, 04:58:10 PM
I prefer the Crown version of fire water.    I'll even take the flavored ones, they are all tasty to me.   The Crown Apple bottle is a favorite with my extended family at Christmas the past couple of years, it seems.  There's always someone who doesn't do Tequila, or Scotch, or whatever... but Crown always seems to be up everyone's alley in our holiday gatherings.  


I do have a beer question - has anyone tried the Bitches Brew?   I was wondering if it was any good, I was considering buying it for someone kind of as a joke, but I was hoping it was at least decent to drink before doing so.    I haven't tried many of the new beers on the market lately but I'm loving all the cool names & labels I see when I scan through the beer aisles here.  

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjunglejims.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F02%2FDogfish-Head-Bitches-Brew.jpg&hash=cf3e1fc69a03008c795241851ec8a834)





(https://www.totalwine.com/media/sys_master/twmmedia/h04/h73/11356757950494.png)

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 05:08:11 PM
never seen it before, but it's got a shark on the label!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2018, 05:16:26 PM
That's Dogfish Head's branding.  I'm not a huge fan of their beers because they tend toward the EXTREMELY hoppy IPAs, but the description for this one says it's some kind of Imperial Stout blend.

For people that like dark, malty beers, this one is probably pretty good.

Not to be confused with dark, malty, autumnal meads of course.  Dilly dilly!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Drew4UTk on October 30, 2018, 05:59:34 PM
I use-tuh sell cigars for a livin.  And wine.  Both were wildly popular at the time.  They both, along with most hoity-toity hard pours, share the same dynamics of availability and marketing.  A good smoke is entry of $4 a stick, after that its ALL about availability or marketing as the quality doesn't drastically improve... With wines the entry for a good 750ml was around $8.  I hear that's $11 now... Hard pour is the most established and controlled in most states, who shameleasly fix prices but will prosecute anyone else for doing the same with say, gasoline or something . A good bottle of bourbon starts at around $25 around here. A cigar, wine, or bourbon that has a good or great season (due to ingredients grown) and is recognized as such will be twice the price the next season, and due to availability and whether it rates it that season or not... The next season it will be three times the first seasons price, as more folks are aware- some from experiencing the first seasons quality and some from buying into the hype the second season.  The third season out makes or breaks the label.  There are bourbon companies out there whove had 5 plus great seasons, and those prices aint coming down... Same with cigars, and wine .

As an abuser of each of the above, it pisses me off... However, it triggers me to seek that 'next' great one.... Hence, the snobbery. 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Drew4UTk on October 30, 2018, 06:03:22 PM
@Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870)  ought to be in this conversation.  He knows a thing or two about a thing or two when it comes to booze.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2018, 10:50:22 PM
Plenty of great wines and whiskeys with prices that are stable and not escalating year over year.  

I know nothing about cigars so can't comment on that.  I loathe smoking in pretty much any form. I grew up with a mom that smoked heavily, including in the car on long road trips. I can't be within 20' of cigarette smoke without gagging and wanting to hurl.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 31, 2018, 10:04:23 AM
I enjoy a decent cigar from time to time.  Usually on the back nine.

I'd like to try a pipe, but not really sure where to get started.  I'm sure I could figure something out to start, but I'm lazy.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 31, 2018, 04:47:32 PM
Hadn't smoked a cigar since my father died of lung cancer in 2006 but I used to be a Swisher Sweet Perfecto man.  You can spend more for a cigar but you can't find a finer one.  It's perfecto.  

I was always a beer man until I began traveling.  In El Paso you have to drink margaritas because they're so cheap and ubiquitous they practically pay you to drink them.  And that's when I noticed le diffe'rence!

I started experimenting with different mixtures using different bottles from different shelves and Herradura Silver just touched the right chord within me.   It's about $38 to $45 per 750 ml depending upon where I buy it but it's worth every nickel regardless.

Everybody's got different tastes.  Look up best tequilas and best tequilas under $50 and you'll pull up dozens of lists with very few tequilas common among all the lists.

Someday when I'm dissatisfied with my life and looking for something new I can start sampling others.  Maybe I'll find one I like just as well for $28 or even $18.  But for now, why look.  I'm happy with what I've found.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 31, 2018, 05:26:01 PM
No need to be defensive about your choice in pretentious tequilas.  I was merely offering better-tasting options that, as a bonus, are also less expensive.

But far be it from me to attempt to change the opinion of a crotchety old man who is set in his ways.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 31, 2018, 09:01:16 PM
WTH you whinin’ ‘bout, Jr?  I didn’t even realize you had contributed to this thread.  Way to get my attention.  I’ll have to go back & see what you said.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 01, 2018, 12:13:22 AM
Now you think you can gaslight me?

Nice try oldtimer.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 01, 2018, 09:52:03 AM
The flea on the dog always believes its all about him.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 01, 2018, 01:28:28 PM
Riiiiigggghhhhhttttt....

So, anyway, it's time to move on from the pumpkin beers and get into the dark winter ales.  It was something like 45 degrees this morning at my house.  Definitely winter weather!

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 01, 2018, 02:02:35 PM
I'm still waiting for cool fall weather

60 degrees on the golf course here for Halloween
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 01, 2018, 02:42:02 PM
I'll have to try some Cazadores.  I might like it.  Then again I might not.  Tastes differ.  I know a guy who loves Natty Light.  None of my friends have wives I would've married.  I know people who drive vehicles I wouldn't drive, live in houses I wouldn't live in, work at jobs I wouldn't want and vote for candidates I wouldn't vote for.  Tastes can vary greatly.  But for less than $30 it's worth trying.  Thank you for the recommendation, Junior.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 01, 2018, 03:56:52 PM
Well that's might noble of you, my old friend. ;)

If you hate it, I'll blame Fearless for the recommendation.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on November 01, 2018, 04:04:30 PM
I'll have to try some Cazadores.  I might like it.  Then again I might not.  Tastes differ.  I know a guy who loves Natty Light.  None of my friends have wives I would've married.  I know people who drive vehicles I wouldn't drive, live in houses I wouldn't live in, work at jobs I wouldn't want and vote for candidates I wouldn't vote for.  Tastes can vary greatly.  But for less than $30 it's worth trying.  Thank you for the recommendation, Junior.

I would try a few of my friend's wives for $30.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 01, 2018, 05:15:39 PM
As would I

I'm not a wealthy person, but I can come up with $30 for the right reason
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on November 01, 2018, 07:24:23 PM
None of my friends have wives I would've married. 
Yep, same here when it comes to my own friends and their wives.  But, when it comes to a few of my wife's friends, that's a different story, particularly those from Argentina.  As I'd like to live into old age, those thoughts have always just stayed with me entirely, but ... damn.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 02, 2018, 10:52:38 AM
When I was 30 or so, my friends all had interesting and attractive wives and my wife had interesting and attractive friends.

Now that I'm over 50, my friends' wives are no longer interesting and attractive and my wife's friends are no longer interesting and attractive.

I'm not an age-a-phobe.   I find a lot of older women to be quite beautiful as people and in appearance.  Just not my wife's friends or my friends' wives.

Lots of people (men and women) tend to develop ugly qualities as they get older.  They eat too much of the wrong foods, they don't exercise and they don't care.  They wear clothes that are comfortable instead of stylish so they look like an unmade bed.  (Often and unmade kings size bed).  As youthful hopefulness gives way to boring routines, they become louder and more negative.  Oftentimes even critical of innocuous things in their periphery that shouldn't even bother them.  You can see the "get off my lawn" attitude developing.

The more I see those qualities in my peers, the more I want to fight them.  Maybe it's vanity.  Maybe I don't want to grow old.  

I like to believe it's actually because I want to be a friendly likable person when I get old instead of the kind of person kids and grandkids hate to visit and neighborhood kids love to egg.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on November 02, 2018, 11:25:07 AM
Now that I'm over 50, my friends' wives are no longer interesting and attractive and my wife's friends are no longer interesting and attractive.

I forgot to mention, my wife's bestie is 20 years her junior.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2018, 11:55:47 AM


The more I see those qualities in my peers, the more I want to fight them.  Maybe it's vanity.  Maybe I don't want to grow old.  


some days I fight harder than others.  I don't think it's vanity for me and I don't really mind getting older, except for the pain my body feels.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on November 02, 2018, 02:01:55 PM
“and I wanna grow old, without the pain
Give my body back to the earth, and not complain”
-AB

https://g.co/kgs/dsJhoV (https://g.co/kgs/dsJhoV)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2018, 02:10:21 PM
too late for me, there's been some pain
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on November 02, 2018, 05:29:19 PM
too late for me, there's been some pain
Yep, hard to escape it
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 02, 2018, 05:38:39 PM
I hadn't expected the Codgers' Convention around here.

Y'all keep your arthritis and you hemorrhoids and such to yourself, thank you very much.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on November 02, 2018, 06:01:56 PM
I've luckily escaped those two fates so far, but have lost a gall bladder and an appendix along the way.  Don't really miss either one though. 

Anyway, don't worry your "young" forty-something head about it, you'll get your own dose of old age soon enough cousin.  Trust me on this one.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2018, 06:49:08 PM
utee,

If you're lucky age and pain will catch up with you
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 22, 2019, 11:17:41 PM
The secret of classic Belgian beers? 
Medieval super-yeasts

https://phys.org/news/2019-10-secret-classic-belgian-beers-medieval.html (https://phys.org/news/2019-10-secret-classic-belgian-beers-medieval.html)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 22, 2019, 11:33:39 PM
Medieval Super Yeasts would make a great band name.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 22, 2019, 11:39:55 PM
classic Belgian band
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 23, 2019, 08:30:55 AM
Mmmmmm Belgian beer.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 29, 2019, 06:20:54 AM
Medieval Super Yeasts would make a great band name.



How about "Medieval Super Worts"?

Or "Distilled Magic"?

Or "Fermented Grain Product Subsequently Distilled Three Times and Aged in Charred Oak Barrels"?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 29, 2019, 08:05:24 AM
Yeah I don't think any of those work as well...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 29, 2019, 08:14:00 AM
When I was in college, we had maybe 10 beer types available, and several were cheaper versions of the main one, like RW&B and PBR.

They all tasted pretty much the same, and "Coors" was this extremely rare magical stuff that I thought was favored by folks who don't like beer taste.  We also had Stroh, which was "fire brewed".  No one every explained to me why that was some kind of a thing.  There were a couple of German beers in some stores here and there, St, Pauli Girl I recall, and Heineken, but we couldn't afford them.  One bar downtown had Schlitz Dark on tap and I really liked that stuff.  Miller Lite was off in the future.

Bud, Miller, Schlitz, PBR, Stroh, and derivatives.  That was basically IT.  

Compare that with today, it's pretty amazing.  I have to credit Sam Adams in part for this revolution.  Europeans used to scoff at US beers for obvious reason.

I was in Seattle in 1988 (or so) at a conference and chanced upon this thing called a "brew pub".  It was fascinating, they made their own beer on site, and had great salmon sandwiches.  What a concept.  They had DIFFERENT beers that really tasted GOOD and not like horse piss in the rain.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 29, 2019, 11:20:15 AM
Yup, craft brew revolution in the USA has given us a lot more variety and choice.  I used to have to drink nothing but Euro beers since our own were so bad.  Life is good.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 29, 2019, 11:59:05 AM
yup, back in college I drank the St, Pauli Girl and Heineken, when someone else was buying

preferred the Grolsch in the flip top bottle when available

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Lz4AAOSw2FdbcHYM/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 29, 2019, 01:57:55 PM
The wife and I remind ourselves daily of "Good Things".  It's easy to spiral down into thinking Life is Awful (and there are times, I'm just back from the dentist).

The profusion of good beer is a good thing.  Of course, some of the "experiments" are not to our liking, but we have so many choices.  I'm happy with a Samuel Adams, quite happy in fact.  Goose Island I like.  If I feel like a lighter beer, the Sweetwater 420 Ale is excellent (to me).  And this is grocery store beer, not something I can get at however many brew pubs are around me today.

I'm warm, have plenty to eat and drink, I live in a pretty safe environment, pollution is way down from 1970, cars today are fantastic, even some Cadillacs have over 600 hp.

Wine down here is incredibly cheap, and Costco has a BOX WINE (their own brand) that is incredibly quaffable (bit not transcendent) at $3.50 a bottle equivalent.

And TVs.  Holy cow are TVs fantastic today, and "cheap".  Most of us are old enough to have watched sports on some 13" B&W TV where you had to stand just so to get decent reception.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 29, 2019, 02:47:53 PM
life is good, until your football team only wins 4 games in a season
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 29, 2019, 03:37:00 PM
life is good, until your football team only wins 4 games in a season
So, you're not a Bengals fan then?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 29, 2019, 04:10:21 PM
not even during the Ickey shuffle daze
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on October 29, 2019, 08:48:10 PM
Heineken is stinky beer.  How we ever thought--back in college--that it was something special is beyond me.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 29, 2019, 09:06:39 PM
Heineken draft is ok.  But the green bottles do it no favors.  The beer goes bad due to light-strike which sets off a chemical reaction starting with riboflavin and ending with a skunky smelling/tasting compound called 3-MBT,  I'm sure CincyDawg could explain it way better than I can.

Clear and green bottles are bad, brown bottles are a little better, but cans are the only individual-sized transport vessel that are impervious to light-strike and they're also better sealed against oxidation.

Anyway, like I said before the draft version doesn't get that skunky taste, but it's still not a great beer.  It's always surprised me that a mediocre beer from the Netherlands became much more popular in the US than a bunch of really fantastic beers from Holland's neighbor, Belgium-- but such is the power of marketing.

 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on October 29, 2019, 09:19:15 PM
I've never had Heineken draft.  But out of a green bottle, it's bad stuff.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 29, 2019, 09:59:29 PM
I'm with you, I won't drink it either.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 30, 2019, 08:01:40 AM
In Europe, it's "OK".  I have not found Europe to have the profusion of beers we have here, maybe I'm too wine-centric.

Bars will have 2-3 taps usually, name brand beers I recognize.  I guess they have local breweries somewhere.

I did find some whiskey they are making in Brittany that was pretty good/interesting, a micro type.  They grow a good bit of corn there, mostly for cattle.  The French people by and large don't eat much corn.  They don't even seem to have grits.

Alsace does have some good beers, and they grow a lot of hops there of course, but it has been Germany in the past a few times.  Interesting region, they even have their own language (as do Bretons and some areas in the south, like Languedoc, which means language of the Occitanes, apparently related to Catalonian.



Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2019, 03:28:28 PM
To be clear, France is similar to Spain and Italy regarding beer, but is really nothing at all like Germany, Belgium, Czech Republic, or the UK.  Way more options for beer in those latter countries.

Even so, outside of a couple of large cities in Belgium, the local bars tend to carry the local beers.  So you still might only see 3-4 taps at a Belgian beer bar.  One could be a major national pilsner/lager like Maes, Jupluer, or Stella Artois.  The other three taps are likely to be all from the local monastery, so there might be a golden ale, a brown ale, and a dubbel or trippel ale, all from the same local/regional brewery.  Most of those local ales are bottled, and bottle-conditioned, and served to you in the exactly appropriate glass.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on October 30, 2019, 04:06:43 PM
Football season and Beer is back to the top.

Yep, Texas and OU both lost.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2019, 04:24:45 PM
shame on them

Iowa State also lost, not shocking, but was a ranked team
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2019, 04:59:19 PM
Sucking sucks.

But beer does not.  I'm currently enjoying a Live Oak Primus weizenbock, whilst finalizing my arrangements for camping at the racetrack this weekend.

FORMULA ONE UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX, BABY!!!!

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2019, 05:02:27 PM
Circuit of the Americas can't be that far from home to require a camper
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2019, 05:17:46 PM
Circuit of the Americas can't be that far from home to require a camper
Camping out there is way easier and way more fun, than driving back and forth every day.  It's basically a 4-day-long tailgate party.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2019, 06:50:48 PM
good call on the camper
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 31, 2019, 03:40:20 AM
good call on the camper
Currently sitting beside the house, plugged in, refrigerators cooling, getting ready for the short trek to the racetrack.  No hookups there so we'll be dry camping off propane, 12V batteries, and generator to keep the batteries topped off.

It'll be cool so I won't have to run the A/C for the entire weekend, which will save tremendously on genny gas.

Only thing I'm worried about, is running out of water.  With my i s c & a aggie wife, and my Longorn SIL, we'll likely burn through freshwater at an alarming rate! :)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 31, 2019, 08:41:30 AM
I have driven on that track in a high performance sedan.  It was fun, I wasn't very fast.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 31, 2019, 08:50:50 AM
I've ridden bikes on it, and run it as a 5K.  It has pretty decent elevation changes for being in the flattest part of Austin.

I also got accidentally trapped on it after the Justin Timberlake concert on the Saturday night of the USGP two years ago.  We wandered for about 45 minutes trying to find a way off the track (we weren't ever supposed to actually get ON the track but nobody told us that...).  Bald Greg's wife, Denise, jumped on one of the tractors they use to haul off cars when they wreck, and said she'd grown up on a farm and knew how to drive one.  She actually got that thing started before I hauled her off it. 

This story is fitting for this thread because there was a lot of Beer involved that day...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 31, 2019, 09:00:26 AM
When I did the driving course, they took us out three at a time following a "pro" in the lead car.  We took it in segments to learn the track.  The first time out, the lead car said we would "take it easy" the first time.  (We had radio comm.)  Holy cow, I could barely keep up.

Later, as the wife was with me and not driving, they let her sit with the pro driver and she said the driver was driving with one hand on the wheel and talking in the radio at the same time as if it was nothing.  I was doing all I could to keep up.  It ended to brake WAY too soon for fear of bending some expensive sheet metal and was hesitant to attack the turns, especially the one that is elevated and sharp.

It was a fascinating day and they did it quite well.  The wife said riding along was scary but fun.

We hit about 135 mph on the back straight a few times before braking.  The cars were automatics and they told us to use the brakes not the flappy paddles.  And we had the suspension settings in "Track One" as I recall, so the car was correcting some of our mistakes.

135 mph is really fast, for me.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 31, 2019, 10:19:39 AM
sounds like a helluva good day!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 31, 2019, 10:31:31 AM
They did a first class job, I have great memories of it.  They had a nice dinner after and let the wife join me, no issues, and same with lunch.  They had some interesting folks do Q&A including a guy from Michelin who was very interesting.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 31, 2019, 12:05:46 PM
maybe I'll buy a lotto ticket, was it very expensive?

that is only 30 mins from my brother's house
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 31, 2019, 01:30:12 PM
The one day thing was a grand, and well worth it my view.

https://cadillacvclub.com/event-2955331 (https://cadillacvclub.com/event-2955331)

Incidentally, I took the wife here for lunch, really fun, some great beers.

https://sweetwaterbrew.com/brewery-bookings/ (https://sweetwaterbrew.com/brewery-bookings/)

They have a very nice patio area but it was pouring.  She especially liked one of their barrels aged light ales, which was pretty neat I thought.  It's not on their web site.

Food was solid.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 31, 2019, 01:46:23 PM
hmmm, a grand a day, but ya get fed.

I'm squeemish about dropping $700 for a round at Pebble Beach, that might include food and drinks, probably $800 will cover.

about the same I guess

I should check for a Corvette performance lab
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 31, 2019, 01:52:10 PM
I see the price has gone up to $1300.  The swapped out the brake pads and tires every day for that event.  The tires run nearly $500 each retail.

We had a 4 cylinder CTS at the time which is how I got invited.  It was interesting moving from 260 hp to 640 hp.

They do a two day event in Vegas for somewhere around $2800, lodging and all food included.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 04, 2019, 05:53:49 PM
Race weekend was awesome.  I even enjoyed the Pink concert a lot more than I thought I would.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 04, 2019, 06:52:07 PM
Pink Floyd?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 05, 2019, 07:26:30 AM
Nope.  Are they even still around?

This Pink:

(https://www.usmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/pink-trapeze-16413b31-444e-47d3-84fe-4596e27b2560.jpg?w=660)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 05, 2019, 07:27:12 AM
And the Friday concert with Imagine Dragons was quite good.  Only sorry we couldn't get my 12yo daughter out there for it, that's her favorite band.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 05, 2019, 07:44:54 AM
I see women with PINK shirts and shorts on fairly often, I surmise that means the band?

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 05, 2019, 11:04:08 AM
ahh, a carnival act

So, does P.I.N.K. have a meaning?  Didn't see any pink color in the pic.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 05, 2019, 04:30:33 PM
I see women with PINK shirts and shorts on fairly often, I surmise that means the band?



You're asking the wrong guy. :)

ahh, a carnival act

So, does P.I.N.K. have a meaning?  Didn't see any pink color in the pic.

You're asking the wrong guy. :)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 05, 2019, 04:31:29 PM
All I can tell you, is that she can sing.  Really, really well.  And she sings pretty well even while on flying trapeze equipment.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on November 05, 2019, 08:18:54 PM
Is that a trapeze?

It looks like something that--in my ignorance of both--I would associate with S&M or B&D.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 06, 2019, 08:55:08 AM
Is that a trapeze?

It looks like something that--in my ignorance of both--I would associate with S&M or B&D.

Wait... wat??????

It's suspended over the stage and she climbs and swings on it and it moves up to maybe 70-90 feet above the stage.  She flips upside down, etc.  Pretty circusy to me.

She also has a harness with a 4-way cable system (like those cameras flying over the field at a football game) that she straps into and it takes her well off the stage, over the crowd, up to a couple hundred feet.  It was actually pretty cool because for those of us that stay way to the back in such crowd settings, she got pretty close, maybe 50 feet away.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 06, 2019, 10:50:40 AM
 When I was a kid, a singer would come out and just sing, nothing else.  Of course, we only had radio.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 06, 2019, 11:34:06 AM
Well, yeah.  A lot of things have changed since you were a kid.  And since I was a kid.

But using trapeze or cable systems on stage to fly out over the crowd isn't really something "new" unless you consider the early 1980s to be "new."  Rock band lead singers were doing it back then.  And perhaps before then, I couldn't tell you.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 06, 2019, 02:49:04 PM
The only concerts we go to are for old foggies like us, folks sit around in tuxes and play complex tunes with some dude waving a baton at them.

Nobody is on any trapeeze thingee.

I think I prefer the acoustics in Cincinnati to those in Atlanta.  Or maybe it's the orchestra or conductor, I'm not sure.  The wife wants the guy in Cincy to move here and take over, he's French also.  Nice guy.

They have some circ du solay thingee happening near us also, probably have trapeezes.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 06, 2019, 02:58:35 PM
What is the best hot dog going?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on November 06, 2019, 04:02:16 PM
What is the best hot dog going?

I'm afraid to jump in, as my tastes may be too "macro".  Any grilled hot dog works good.

How do I dress mine?

Generous mustard
Just enough chili to know it's there
A mountain of cheddar cheese.

Yeah I know.  That's the same as a Sonic cheese coney.  Except they drown the thing in chili and only a few cheddar shards.

I prefer B&M baked beans and tater tots to go with.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 06, 2019, 05:25:46 PM
I ain't no hot dog snob, I like all kinds.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 06, 2019, 05:53:45 PM
Oh and I'm not a big fan of baked beans, way too sweet for me.  Ranch style is my preference for pre-packaged cheapo beans.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on November 06, 2019, 08:20:14 PM
What is the best hot dog going?
Once upon a time, there was a hot dog shop called "Coney Island."  I have to believe that it was in New York City, but I don't know that to be the case.  I was started by a Greek immigrant.  They made small, short (ca. 5") hot dogs called "coneys."  The topping was yellow mustard, a mild chili, and onions.  The only extra was cheese.  They were cheap.  5 cents or so at the start, back around 1900.  He spelled "wieners" as "weiners" to avoid any trademark infringement.  Or maybe just because his English spelling was not so good.  The original guy licensed other Greek immigrants to start similar restaurants with the same name in other cities.

One of the licensees was a guy named Christos Economou, and he started a "Coney Island" in Tulsa in 1926.  It was successful.  It was an institution in downtown Tulsa by the 1940s.  When I first ate there around 1963, it was in a deep but narrow storefront.  It was old and dark and dingey.  The coneys were prepared behind a line of counters down the left side of the space and the customers ate in old-fashioned all-wood school desks down the right side.

By around 1970, there was still the original Coney Island, but there began popping up a sort of local franchise operation called "Coney I-lander."  All owned by the same Enonomou family as far as I know.  When Christos died, the business was split and one of his heirs got the original downtown store, and another (or others) got the Coney I-landers scattered around the Tulsa metro area.

So now, under the original "Coney Island" name, some are opening in the D-FW area.

I haven't eaten at any of the Texas locations, but the ones in Tulsa--"Island" and "I-landers"--are great places to go and get 3-4 coneys, or you can get tamales, or you can get Frito chile pie.

Nothing fancy.  No Polish dogs or Chicago dogs.  Just bun, wiener, mustard, chili, onions, and cheese.  I don't care for raw onions, so I get mine without them.

(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0e/fb/01/e0/yum-yum.jpg)

10-15 years ago, a guy in Norman wanted to start a Coney I-lander there.  But the Economou heirs supposedly didn't want to expand beyond their existing footprint, so they said no.  The guy in Norman reverse-engineered the product (the chili was the only hard part) and got it about 95% right in his place called "Top Dawg Coneys."  (Top Dawg was the mascot for the Sooners' basketball teams back then.)  This is why finding out about Coney Islands in D-FW was a big surprise to me.  Maybe the money was right this time around.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 07, 2019, 07:18:16 AM
Coneys are a staple at Cincinnati chili parlors.

They run about $1.79 each, but on occasion they have a sale for a buck.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 07, 2019, 08:37:41 AM
You can get hot dogs at a lot of restaurants, but I can't think of a single hot dog specific restaurant in Austin.  Not like places like Chicago where I saw restaurants specifically devoted to the "Red Hot."  

There are hot dog vending carts downtown and on 6th street at night, maybe that's the closest?  Houston has a chain of restaurants called "James Coney Island" that I've always assumed was a hot dog place, though I've never been to one.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on November 07, 2019, 09:14:00 AM
You can get hot dogs at a lot of restaurants, but I can't think of a single hot dog specific restaurant in Austin.

For some reason Texas is not so big on Hot Dog eateries, although yes there are a very few in some larger towns (wienerschnitzel?)

Up farther north Hot Dogs are much more of a thing.

But utee, do you remember Mad Dog & Beans?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 07, 2019, 11:10:13 AM
I do indeed remember Maddog and Beans.  But I don't recall a hot dog there, for me it was usually a burger.

And good point, I do think we have a der Weinerschnitzel in Austin once again (we had one when I was a kid and there was a kids-eating-area that was designed to look like a biplane, it was awesome!).  That place closed in the 80s but a new one has opened up at Burnet/Braker sometime in the 2000s.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on November 07, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
We had Der Wienerschnitzel (correct spelling--"wiener" comes from "Wien"--German for Vienna) restaurants in Tulsa back in the '70s.  I don't know when they went out of business.  The site closest to where I live now is a Whataburger that was closed for over two years due to tornado damage and only reopened last summer.

As far as the national Wienerschnitzel chain goes, they've dropped the "der" (I believe it was the wrong gender and should have been "das") and now they supposedly serve schnitzel--a breaded, fried veal cutlet.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 08, 2019, 08:41:35 AM
So I picked up my first winter seasonal, a 6-pack of Live Oak Primus which is a delicious (and strong) weizenbock.

At least 12 oz of it will be going into the chili I'm making today, as well. 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 08, 2019, 08:43:05 AM
Oh and it's finally cool enough in Austin to really enjoy some Oktoberfest, glad I stocked up back in August!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 08, 2019, 10:29:53 AM
What's up with this seltzer craze?  Well, I know, they ran out of other ideas.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 08, 2019, 10:59:48 AM
Just the latest iteration of wine coolers/Zima/hard ciders.  Basically they're alcoholic drinks for people that want to get drunk but don't like the flavors of any alcohols.  They're also lower in sugar and therefore lower in calories so the Mich Ultra crowd gravitates toward them as well.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on November 08, 2019, 11:50:50 AM
Mich Ultra crowd

I am a full supporter of macro brew but Mich Ultra sucks to me.  Do I need to try it again?  So many friends seem to like it - I bought a sixer once and it had no taste to me.

And make no mistake, I can fully appreciate low-rent swill.  I down Coors original like water.

But Mich Ultra just seemed like a waste of time and taste buds.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 08, 2019, 01:28:47 PM
Took the wife for lunch to Sweetwater Brewery, solid beers and good food, nice day.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 08, 2019, 03:38:34 PM
I am a full supporter of macro brew but Mich Ultra sucks to me.  Do I need to try it again?  So many friends seem to like it - I bought a sixer once and it had no taste to me.

And make no mistake, I can fully appreciate low-rent swill.  I down Coors original like water.

But Mich Ultra just seemed like a waste of time and taste buds.

Mich Ultra has no flavor by design, because it's "beer" for people that don't actually like beer.  It's low carb for the keto crowd.

It's for people that don't like drinking, but want to be drunk.  

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 08, 2019, 03:41:25 PM
Man, how much Mic Ultra would it take to GET drunk?  I doubt I could do it.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 08, 2019, 05:27:01 PM
Man, how much Mic Ultra would it take to GET drunk?  I doubt I could do it.



ABV is 4.2% so the same as most other American light beers.  You can get drunk on those but you definitely have to work at it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 08, 2019, 05:45:00 PM
I will drink a bottle of wine tonight and not be a all drunk, though I would not drive.  The I often have something hard, like gin, over five hours, and with food.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 08, 2019, 08:29:14 PM
if I'm out to dinner and will drinking a bottle of wine with my meal, I usually start with a couple quick martinis to get things rolling
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 08, 2019, 10:06:28 PM
I like to have an aperitif of maybe Kir or a Pastis, then a bottle of wine with dinner, and then a digestif of Cognac or Armagnac.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 08, 2019, 10:10:44 PM
much too sophisticated for a dirt farmer 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 08, 2019, 10:50:21 PM
much too sophisticated for a dirt farmer
Bulljive, you like liquor that tastes good.  You'd dig it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 08, 2019, 11:27:30 PM
yup, a glass of scotch is usually my after dinner drink
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 09, 2019, 07:54:35 AM
I got somewhat of a liking for calvados after a heavy meal.  Or marc (which is pronounced "mar").

The French don't like "h" or consonants at the end of sentences.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on November 09, 2019, 11:06:07 AM
I got somewhat of a liking for calvados after a heavy meal.  Or marc (which is pronounced "mar").

The French don't like "h" or consonants at the end of sentences.
Do they "drop" the consonant, or do they re-jigger the sentence so there's no word at the end that has a terminal consonant?
I note that "r" is a consonant.  Does that one not count because it doesn't have a hard sound?
What's the rule on "s" at the end of a word?  Seems like those often/nearly always get dropped.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 09, 2019, 11:25:16 AM
A consonant at the end is only pronounced if the next word in sentence starts with a vowel.

Boulevard is pronounced roughly "boo-luh-var", no "d" sound at the end.

"Marc" is pronounced "Mar".  Calvados oddly enough is pronounced as it sounds, maybe because Normans aren't quite French enough.  Sometimes they call it simply "calva".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxpLQZdyYkk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxpLQZdyYkk)

We know two folks named Bernard and another Gerrard, and the d is not pronounced.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on November 09, 2019, 11:29:32 AM
Sounds like there's a swallowed vowel between the "l" and the "v" in "Calvados."
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 09, 2019, 11:51:01 AM
A consonant at the end is only pronounced if the next word in sentence starts with a vowel.

Boulevard is pronounced roughly "boo-luh-var", no "d" sound at the end.

"Marc" is pronounced "Mar".  Calvados oddly enough is pronounced as it sounds, maybe because Normans aren't quite French enough.  Sometimes they call it simply "calva".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxpLQZdyYkk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxpLQZdyYkk)

We know two folks named Bernard and another Gerrard, and the d is not pronounced.



Yup, my best buddy in Nantes-- our local field service engineer-- was named Bernard Jean.  No d at the end of Bernard, or rather, it was just totally swallowed.  it was "kind of there" but not really, if that makes sense?  I couldn't really pronounce it correctly so my best approximation was just "Bear - Nar."

He'd laugh and say "that's not my name" but he never understood that when he called me "Mar-KOOS-a" that it wasn't my name either, which is Marcus, pronounced as you'd expect it in English.  But the French are weird that way... :)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 09, 2019, 11:53:14 AM
Another strange phenomenon of pronunciation, this time in English, is-- why do many Brits, and even some New Englanders, add an "r" to the end of words that end in "a?"

For example: "Hey, I have an idear!"

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 09, 2019, 02:15:16 PM
I have no idear ...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on November 09, 2019, 05:39:51 PM
Another strange phenomenon of pronunciation, this time in English, is-- why do many Brits, and even some New Englanders, add an "r" to the end of words that end in "a?"

For example: "Hey, I have an idear!"
Maybe for the opposite reason that some Americans--Southerners, usually, drop the final "r" in words like "runner."  And sometimes also do the same thing you mentioned.  My 9th-grade Alabama history teacher said both "runnah" and "winder" (for "window").
Brits who speak Received Pronunciation wouldn't be adding an "r" to the end of words.  It would have to be someone with some non-standard accent.  People from Yorkshire or Cornwall, maybe.
The word to describe use of the "r" is "rhotic."  British Received Pronunciation is non-rhotic.  "Motha and fatha went fuhthah down the road."
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 09, 2019, 11:00:51 PM
Yeah, dropping the R is different than adding an R.

I have no idea why they do it, but one of my best friends of all time was a Brit who was one of my TAs when I was an engineering student at UT.  His undergrad was at Oxford but I don't remember where he was born.  He didn't do the "add an r" thing but he definitely noticed it and was as confounded as I.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 10, 2019, 07:45:47 AM
I read somewhere (and doubted it) that the British accent of our revolutionary period was very much like today's American accent, and their current accent came later.

Of course, one encounters all sorts of accents in Britain, but I mean the more typical "TV accent".  I've met a few Germans who I thought were Brits because their English was so good.  My step son speaks accentless American English and French which is impressive to me, both like a native.  The wife has a nice French accent.  It's interesting how good her English is until something gets technical, or financial, or medical, etc.  That makes sense, you wouldn't learn what "death benefit" means in French class, or Required Minimum Distribution.

I may be busy next week as the wife goes in for a "hip revision".  Interesting term, I've had to translate a lot of medical jargon for her of late.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on November 10, 2019, 07:43:46 PM
I read somewhere (and doubted it) that the British accent of our revolutionary period was very much like today's American accent, and their current accent came later.

Of course, one encounters all sorts of accents in Britain, but I mean the more typical "TV accent".  I've met a few Germans who I thought were Brits because their English was so good.  My step son speaks accentless American English and French which is impressive to me, both like a native.  The wife has a nice French accent.  It's interesting how good her English is until something gets technical, or financial, or medical, etc.  That makes sense, you wouldn't learn what "death benefit" means in French class, or Required Minimum Distribution.

I may be busy next week as the wife goes in for a "hip revision".  Interesting term, I've had to translate a lot of medical jargon for her of late.
British Received Pronunciation (traditional "BBC English") is a result of the Great Vowel Shift in the English language that began in the mid-14th century and ended in the early 18th century.  The earliest English settlers came to America in the middle of that, about the time of the death of Shakespeare.  And, generally, their speech did not continue shifting, so that by the time of the American Revolution, Americans spoke more like Shakespeare had than the average Englishman did.
Alvin York of WWI fame came from an isolated mountain community in Tennessee, and supposedly spoke something like Shakespearean English.
Here are a some videos on how Shakespearean English sounded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeW1eV7Oc5A&t=1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeW1eV7Oc5A&t=1s), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2QYGEwM1Sk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2QYGEwM1Sk), and this long piece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqmgeth4tFY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqmgeth4tFY).
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2020, 10:18:02 AM
In a recent report shared by the IWSR, figures reveal that Tito’s Handmade Vodka has overtaken Smirnoff as the best selling vodka brand in the U.S. Following volume growth of more than 20 percent in 2019, Tito’s is now also the best selling distilled spirit in the country.

Jack Daniel’s Tennessee Whiskey was the third best-selling spirit brand last year, followed by Fireball Whisky and Crown Royal. Vodka remains the largest spirit category by volume in the U.S., despite surging sales of hard seltzers.


Launched by Bert “Tito” Beveridge in 1995, the brand’s rise to the top of the spirits category has been remarkable — particularly within the last decade. According to Statista, Tito’s sold 1.2 million 9-liter cases in 2013. By 2018, that figure had risen to 7.4 million cases, or 66.6 million bottles. That’s more than one million per week.

Tito’s sales surge likely comes from its dual popularity among trade and consumers. In a recent Punch article, which polled American bartenders on their go-to well liquor brands, Tito’s emerged as the favorite in the vodka category. Bartenders pointed to “brand recognition” and “reliability of the liquid” as their main reasons for favoring the brand.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 19, 2020, 07:57:15 PM
Yup, good on Tito.  A really good guy who has earned his success.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2020, 02:35:10 PM
I was down in Florida where we had "free beer" at nightly events.  The usual choices included Mic Ultra and Bud Light.  I had been playing baseball all day, so this wasn't as awful as it might have been.  At one event later there was Modelo as an option and I ordered one, which to me is barely different from the former two options.

One event had another option and it was just as "bad".  They also had some wine and the last night when we had a banquet I resorted to their "house wine" at this country club, and it was quaffable (though not transcendent).  I have concluded that Americans in the main don't like beer, so they drink stuff labeled beer to "be cool" or something.

I brought on my own to the room some Sam Adams lager and the difference of course is astounding.  I guess it tastes too much like real beer???????

I also picked up some Sierra Nevada as I thought the wife would like it OK, but I much prefer Sam's.

The local Sweetwater 420 Pale Ale here is actually very decent for a lighter kind of beer, it actually has some flavor beyond carbonation.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on January 20, 2020, 03:06:20 PM
Sam Adams' Boston Lager is too hoppy for my taste.  I like the Boston Ale better.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 20, 2020, 03:10:17 PM
Agree but I haven't even seen the Boston Ale around here in several years.

I drink local breweries almost exclusively, no matter where I am.  Fortunately we have some excellent ones here in Central Texas, but these days I find that no matter where I travel, there's some local beer that's worthy of sampling.

Of course, I'm in the midst of my annual "Sober January" right now, so no beers to be quaffed for me, for a couple more weeks at least.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 20, 2020, 03:11:18 PM
As far as Mexican beers, Modelo isn't very good, but Negra Modelo is.

And Bohemia is actually a VERY good rendition of a typical European pilsner.



Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2020, 03:17:59 PM
Sam Adams' Boston Lager is too hoppy for my taste.  I like the Boston Ale better.
I do as well, but have not seen it in years.  SA makes all sorts of other renditions, but no ales.

I still like the lager about as well as anything.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on January 20, 2020, 03:49:46 PM
I guess I haven't had SA Boston Ale in several years either.  Maybe Sam doesn't brew that variety anymore.

My esposita picked up some Josephsbrau WinterBrew from Trader Joe's.  It's a double-bock lager.  Pretty good for the relatively cheap price, IMO.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on January 21, 2020, 12:04:29 AM
As far as Mexican beers, Modelo isn't very good, but Negra Modelo is.

And Bohemia is actually a VERY good rendition of a typical European pilsner.




Mexico has a beer thats not Corona

who'd a thought
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 21, 2020, 07:22:05 AM
Mexico has a beer thats not Corona

who'd a thought
Oh yeah, they have a bunch of national brands, their equivalents of our Bud-Miller-Coors. There's Dos Equis, Carta Blanca, Sol, Tecate.  None of those are particularly good, but I do like Pacifico Clara, although it's yet another macro, it's a pretty light pilsner/lager but still has good flavor, the perfect beer served ice cold after mowing the lawn in July heat.

And Mexico has a burgeoning craft brew industry as well, like most countries around the world.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 22, 2020, 10:44:04 AM
As far as Mexican beers, Modelo isn't very good, but Negra Modelo is.

And Bohemia is actually a VERY good rendition of a typical European pilsner.




agreed
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on January 26, 2020, 05:56:52 AM
I stopped drinking Corona because of this virus thing ...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 26, 2020, 09:21:45 AM
in ridiculously heavy doses, it's the antidote
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on January 26, 2020, 10:31:23 AM
I stopped drinking Corona because of this virus thing ...
Switching to Lone Star?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on January 30, 2020, 05:45:32 AM
I hear that attracts ticks, so no.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on January 30, 2020, 12:22:58 PM
I hear that attracts ticks, so no.
Probably the sort of ticks that carry Texas Fever.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 30, 2020, 12:55:51 PM
Lone Star is not a tasty beer.  It's also not owned by a Texas company nor is it brewed by a Texas company, so there you have it.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 30, 2020, 02:20:18 PM
I don't drink it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 30, 2020, 02:47:33 PM
Wise man.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2020, 02:14:01 AM
I had one once.  It was my lone sample, and not a star.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 02, 2020, 09:52:47 AM
Probably lots of beer will be consumed in the USA this afternoon/evening.  I'm still in the midst of Sober January (even though it's February) so I'll be enjoying some sparkling water during the festivities.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on February 02, 2020, 10:06:13 AM
did you get a late start last month?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 02, 2020, 02:09:33 PM
Probably lots of beer will be consumed in the USA this afternoon/evening.  I'm still in the midst of Sober January (even though it's February) so I'll be enjoying some sparkling water during the festivities.


Yeah, didn't start til the 6h and we were still on vacation until then.

Also, I'm probably taking this into March this year, to drop some lingering lbs that have been tough to shake, and get back to being skinny John Stamos rather than pudgy John Stamos... ;)

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on February 02, 2020, 02:50:35 PM
I'm not drinking any more ...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on February 02, 2020, 03:06:17 PM
I'm not drinking any less
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on February 02, 2020, 11:11:32 PM
I'm not drinking any less
:57:
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on February 03, 2020, 02:08:18 AM
I had zero alcohol yesterday.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 03, 2020, 07:45:39 AM
Same here. :)

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on February 03, 2020, 09:47:46 AM
I should have had a little less
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 10, 2020, 11:20:43 AM
No beer and no pizza make utee94 something something...

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on February 10, 2020, 12:41:26 PM
(https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,g_auto,h_1248,w_2220/f_auto,q_auto,w_1100/v1555926233/shape/mentalfloss/homershining_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 10, 2020, 12:56:11 PM
Don't mind if I do!!!!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on February 10, 2020, 02:41:37 PM
my favorite simpson line

Everytime I learn something new, something old gets pushed out.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on February 10, 2020, 04:33:56 PM
my favorite simpson line

Everytime I learn something new, something old gets pushed out.
 
Sorta like that time I went to a wine tasting class and forgot how to drive?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 10, 2020, 04:55:24 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/4pMX5rJ4PYAEM/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 20, 2020, 09:35:32 PM
10 Great “Intro to Craft” Beers for the Hop-Averse

https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/craft-beer/10-great-intro-to-craft-beers-for-the-hop-averse/ (https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/craft-beer/10-great-intro-to-craft-beers-for-the-hop-averse/)

I agree with this.  Some of my favorites

haven't tried #4. Allagash White

it's on my list
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 09:03:36 AM
12 Craft Beers That Taste Like … Beer!

https://www.craftbeer.com/craft-beer-muses/12-craft-beers-that-taste-like-beer (https://www.craftbeer.com/craft-beer-muses/12-craft-beers-that-taste-like-beer)

Never fear. Beer tasted like beer long before it tasted like a pastry, a latte, or a milkshake, and a new movement of crushable lagers is sweeping through the craft beer world, making beers that taste like beer cool again. Of course, if you ask the country’s craft brewers themselves, most of them will tell you it never stopped being cool, so shed your lager hang-ups and enjoy one of these beer-flavored craft beers!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 21, 2020, 10:23:40 AM
10 Great “Intro to Craft” Beers for the Hop-Averse

https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/craft-beer/10-great-intro-to-craft-beers-for-the-hop-averse/ (https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/craft-beer/10-great-intro-to-craft-beers-for-the-hop-averse/)

I agree with this.  Some of my favorites

haven't tried #4. Allagash White

it's on my list

Allagash White is tasty.  It's a Belgian-style witbier, like Hoegaarden or Celis White.  I'd put Celis well above it, since it's the best Belgian witbier on the planet, but Allagash has nothing to be ashamed of.  They do mostly Belgian styles and they're all quite good.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 02:39:18 PM
good to know
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 25, 2020, 11:09:36 AM
My Month of Flagships: Yuengling Traditional Lager


https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/craft-beer/yuengling-lager-flagship-february/ (https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/craft-beer/yuengling-lager-flagship-february/)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 25, 2020, 02:15:44 PM
Do you guys find that the glass makes a large difference in the flavor?  I have four Riedel beer glasses I break out when I'm tasting more than drinking.

Of course, I'm a devotee of Riedel for wine as well.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 25, 2020, 02:38:02 PM
Beer always tastes better when consumed from a glass, and each beer style has a specific glass that works best.  The Belgians will not serve you a beer out of an improper glass that doesn't match the style.  Since every Belgian brewery releases its own glassware per specific style, it makes it pretty simple over there, but not so simple elsewhere.

The shaker pint glass is actually considered to be the worst one, the wide open top allows too much of the nose of the beer to escape, and like wine, the smell is very important to the flavor.  The relatively straight sides also allow too much of the carbonation to disappear too quickly.

Anyway, the tl;dr version is Yes.  Beer glass makes beer taste better, and the proper glass even more so.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 25, 2020, 04:05:10 PM
makes a large difference as opposed to drinking from the can

as far as the different shapes of glasses, it's much more subtle - for me
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on March 25, 2020, 04:53:21 PM
From the distilled spirits world, there's a reason why all the glasses look the way they do (mostly).

Sometimes it's stemmed to keep your hands from making the liquid warm. Sometimes, it's cupped because your hands SHOULD warm it. The tops are curved or concave to capture or expand the nose.

Champagne glasses are made special to distribute the carbonation - either flat and broad for one type or tall and slim for others.

Since beer is still alive when you drink it, I'd guess that the better beers are also enhanced by proper selection of servingware.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 25, 2020, 06:21:44 PM
I used to do a wine tasting with 3-4 kinds of wines and 4 different kinds of glasses.  Folks would be astonished, all of them, at the difference, and it's more than just shape.

Those cheap Libby wine glasses are pretty awful.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 25, 2020, 07:06:00 PM
I used to do a wine tasting with 3-4 kinds of wines and 4 different kinds of glasses.  Folks would be astonished, all of them, at the difference, and it's more than just shape.

Those cheap Libby wine glasses are pretty awful.
Yup, beer is just like wine, the glass makes a big difference.

It's also about mouthfeel.  I like the thin edge of a Riedel glass against my lips, over a thick, chunky cheapo glass.  It feels better on the mouth, and in the hand.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2020, 11:34:31 AM
The other feature in Riedel is the microscopic roughness of the glass surface which hold a thing film of beverage to enhance the aroma, or as the French say "Boukay".

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2020, 01:25:27 PM
An amazing test is to get a bottle of pinot noir and another of cab/merlot, and taste each of them in a pinot glass and then a cab glass.  The glass changes each of them rather markedly.  The pinot glass has a more open design and places the wine on the correct part of your pallet.  I think it's silly to drink a $20 plus pinot from the wrong kind of glass.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ds9eyJt.png)(https://i.imgur.com/STSSYYA.png)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 26, 2020, 03:01:12 PM
the wrong glass is still much better than drinking from the bottle
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2020, 03:36:07 PM
the wrong glass is still much better than drinking from the bottle
Yup.  Or can.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 26, 2020, 03:54:56 PM
I was referring to wine, I suppose someone has wine in the can

apparently, light doesn't bother wine as much as beer?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2020, 04:37:06 PM
There are cans of wine these days, one brand is not nearly as awful as I expected.

Undereood makes a fairly decent pinot noir in a can.  I didn't like their pinot gris at all.

We went for a long walk in the park into a part we had not explored before and found Orpheus brewing just off the park up a hill and dutifully got a couple cans of pilsner and sat on their deck to quaff same.  It was "OK".

https://www.orpheusbrewing.com/contact/ (https://www.orpheusbrewing.com/contact/)

The view from the deck was nice, and the day here is fantastic, so it was good.  We were the only folks on the deck at the time.

(https://i.imgur.com/Wf4H30P.png)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2020, 06:24:40 PM
Lighstrike can definitely affect wine.  The recent trend toward clear bottles, especially for rose' wines, is not a good one.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2020, 06:44:16 PM
Heat is the major problem with wine.  And probably beer as well.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 26, 2020, 06:50:05 PM
so, perhaps wine and beer will be more common in cans

blinded by science
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2020, 06:55:24 PM
Light seems to be worse for beer than heat, although neither is particularly good.  

Cans are superior packaging vessels for either.  They're impervious to light, and they're also superior to cork or bottlecaps, for preventing the entrance of air into the container.

But opening a 750ml can of Bordeaux definitely doesn't sound all that appealing to me, gotta admit.


Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 26, 2020, 10:15:20 PM
cans need better marketing
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2020, 11:50:09 PM
cans need better marketing
The word is definitely out among the craft brew crowd.  Cans are the standard at this point, bottles more rare by the month.

But for wine?  Not sure we'll ever see it really catch on.  The bottle is pretty tied into the culture.

Mis en bouteille au chateau just has a beautiful ring to it...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 06:22:54 AM
The wine in a can is mostly used for picnics and outings of that ilk.  The other advantage is they are 350 mL, so half a bottle.  I don't see anything wrong with it, but I prefer the Stelvin closures (screwcaps) in any wine not meant for some aging.  I despise synthetic corks, and even the composites are problematic at times because I use an "ah so" cork remover.

Incidentally, Kirkland has a "box wine" Napa cab for $13 for 3 L that is entirely palatable.  They have an Oakville Napa cab for $20 that is excellent.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 27, 2020, 08:59:56 AM
That Costco box cab is tasty, I agree.  But box wines make it difficult to gauge consumption.  I had to stop buying them...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
The wine in a can is mostly used for picnics and outings of that ilk.  The other advantage is they are 350 mL, so half a bottle.  I don't see anything wrong with it, but I prefer the Stelvin closures (screwcaps) in any wine not meant for some aging.  I despise synthetic corks, and even the composites are problematic at times because I use an "ah so" cork remover.

Incidentally, Kirkland has a "box wine" Napa cab for $13 for 3 L that is entirely palatable.  They have an Oakville Napa cab for $20 that is excellent.
do you drink older aged wines often? or just don't want to mess with multiple gadgets?
I have a Rabbit that someone gave to me as a gift
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 09:32:56 AM
That Costco box cab is tasty, I agree.  But box wines make it difficult to gauge consumption.  I had to stop buying them...
boxes also block light!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 27, 2020, 02:07:58 PM
Indeed they do.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 04:54:52 PM
I probably have a wine with some age on it every couple of weeks or so.  I don't have as many friends over now as I did in Cincy.  I still have a fair bit of "aging wine" in the inventory stashed here and there.  In a condo it starts to be a bit of a challenge.  I had a corner wine rack in the house that held 180 bottles.

The ah so works well for me usually.  It takes a deft bit of wrist rocking to get the prongs seated.  The box wine also keep air out.  Oxygen is bad for wine unless in teensy amounts.  The flavinoids that tend to make wine taste astringent (folks often call it "dry" incorrectly) will slowly polymerize with a bit of oxygen around and you no longer taste it, so the wine smooths out.  This is why you might swirl wine in your glass if it is "tight", or use a decanter.  

I'm not convinced the aerators work, they should work, but my experience with them has been meh.

This is an ah so if any is wondering, it's worth getting a more expensive one I findL

(https://i.imgur.com/3znTrIF.png)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 08:54:27 PM
I guess mine is a knock off called houdini

obviously could cause problems with aged corks

bottles don't collect here for extended periods

(https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_153e8f60-08f0-482e-84de-961343c61b29?fmt=webp&wid=1400&qlt=80)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 08:56:57 PM
Budweiser Nitro Reserve Gold
tried my first glass tonight - not bad - was hoping for better - it's smooth

pairs remarkably well with Schmidt's German Beer Summer Sausage and Lay's Chile Limon chips
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 09:04:51 AM
When I was doing wine classes, I'd be serving 6-12 bottles per class.  Folks were amazing how fast I could pull the cork (usually, on occasion one would be problematic).

I was musing about being in college and a bar near campus had "Dark Schlitz", which I liked, and considered "elite" beer, or something.  It was unusual.  We didn't have much else, Coors was ultra rare and a major treat even though I thought it tasted like water.

Stroh was a beer that came about when I was in school that was weird, said to be "Fire Brewed".  The cheap beers came out during that time also, Red White and Blue was the cheap version of PBR, Busch of course, Milwaukee's Best was a beer - Miller?  What were the other beers out in the 1970s?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 10:19:51 AM
well, this was the early 80's but next to the red, white, & blue beer was "generic" Beer

Strohs fire brewed replaced Schlitz at the Miles Inn Tavern with the frosted schooners

Falstaff and Hamms were popular beers in the region in the 60's and 70's
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 10:24:39 AM
yup, remember the Coors phenom back in the day - of course the Colorado state line wasn't far before the national 55mph speed limit

the other rare beer that made it to Iowa was Olympia

My grandmother made me one of these..................


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fe/c9/38/fec93858cc3871c50ad7ff2c4e26bff6.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 11:06:03 AM
When I got to Cincy, they had these Schoenling's Little Kings.  They also 3.2 beer, swill they served at pizza joints etc. because they were not allowed to serve real beer (meaning Bud).  Ohio is weird.

My first full day in Chapel Hill we had to take tests all day and I finished and went downtown to a bar and asked for a gin and tonic, the buy told me they didn't serve mixed drinks.  Coming from Athens, that was shall we say a surprise.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on March 28, 2020, 11:27:36 AM
I remember "Dark Schlitz."  I thought it was better than the regular stuff.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 11:35:49 AM
Little kings and dark Schlitz were better than others

also had the Mickey's mean green malt - in big mouth like Schmidt


(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/222975386497_/Vintage-Schmidt-Heileman-Beer-%C2%A0barrel-bottle-with-cap.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 28, 2020, 11:44:31 AM
Lots of memories from college drinking Mickey's Big Mouth.  Well, partial, fuzzy memories, anyway.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 11:47:09 AM
we used to play "quarters" with the Mean Green

the game usually didn't last long
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 01:59:29 PM
There was a bar in Athens called the B&L Warehouse, because that's what it was.  It had two stages at each end and one band would set up whilst another was playing.  They had two long bars down the other two sides, and just some rickety chairs and a few tables in the middle.  Tuesday night was quarter beer night.  I remember some of the bands they had were pretty good, I don't know if I ever heard WSP or REM or the B52s though.

I lived in an off campus dorm that would have "keggers" every so often, all the beer you could drink if you had the ID showing you were a resident.  I was underage at first.  I got fairly sloshed one night as I recall and ended up passed out in some gals' room.  I woke up the next morning, she was asleep, I was on the floor, nothing happened, so I went down to my room to try and recover.

The cafeteria ladies would see me walking in and they'd start my breakfast every morning, 4 eggs over light with grits and toast, it would about be ready by the time I got OJ and coffee.  They were nice ladies.

College life was pretty insane now that I look back on it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 02:16:02 PM
we had quarter 10 oz glasses of PBR in the small town bar during happy hour

that way the keg wouldn't go as stale.  at the end of the keg I'd use a salt shaker to add a little head

Keggers while I was at UNL were $2 per plastic cup, free refills.

that's when I learned to drink beer, never liked it much before then.  Drank canadian whiskey and bourbon in high school
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 03:24:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/S9GT8u5.jpg)

This is the IPA my neighbor game me.  It's pretty decent I think, and not crazy on the hops despite the name.  Catawba, NC.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 04:01:46 PM
IBU 26

I could drink that
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 07:44:28 PM
The wife does not like bitter beer at all, and she liked this one.  I think it had decent balance.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2020, 12:55:45 PM
filled 3 growlers last night

2 with Boulevard Tank #7 - 8.5 ABV and 38 IBU

1 with Gable MUNICH HELLES - 5.0 ABV and 22 IBU

one of the #7s is empty
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on March 30, 2020, 01:32:08 PM
we had quarter 10 oz glasses of PBR in the small town bar during happy hour

that way the keg wouldn't go as stale.  at the end of the keg I'd use a salt shaker to add a little head

Keggers while I was at UNL were $2 per plastic cup, free refills.

that's when I learned to drink beer, never liked it much before then.  Drank canadian whiskey and bourbon in high school
Was Nebraska "UNL" before you guys moved to the B1G?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on March 30, 2020, 01:44:08 PM
[img width=463.991 height=500]https://i.imgur.com/S9GT8u5.jpg[/img]

This is the IPA my neighbor game me.  It's pretty decent I think, and not crazy on the hops despite the name.  Catawba, NC.
Is there a connection between Catawba and a dragon?
If Catawba were 150 miles ESE, I'd guess that it might have something to do with Fort Bragg, home of XVIII Airborne Corps.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/US_Army_18th_Airborne_Corps_CSIB.png)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 02:46:41 PM
The town is probably named after the eponymous grape.  Well, no it's named after a group of Indians who lived there once I see.

The dragon is a takeoff on the Loch Ness Monster.  You can read their humorous blurb below from the back label if you enlarge this.


(https://i.imgur.com/zLQhI2D.png)

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2020, 03:19:26 PM
Was Nebraska "UNL" before you guys moved to the B1G?
yes, because there's UNO
university of Nebraska - Omaha

and UNK - Kearney
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 03:22:21 PM
UNC is like that, there is a UNCC, UNCW, UNCG, but UNC is rarely UNC-CH, I see it at times.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2020, 03:57:18 PM
it's why the U of T - Austin is just that

not UTA

because there's a U of Texas - Arlington
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on March 30, 2020, 04:08:38 PM
when a Texan says UT they know which one youre talking about

the other is just for non Texans
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 04:13:51 PM
Tennessee?  They have a kind of similar ugly orange color.  I hate orange.  Teams I despise with orange:

Tennessee
Florida
Auburn
Georgia Tech (they can't even get orange right)
Eastern Michigan
Clempsum

Texas is actually OK even though they usually beat us.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2020, 09:42:12 PM
I guess you understand you are on the Big 12 board
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 31, 2020, 08:44:27 AM
I guess you understand you are on the Big 12 board
When did that happen?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 31, 2020, 09:25:29 AM
B12 B12 B12!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 31, 2020, 11:26:59 AM
Anyway, that beer is in Kroger here for $9/6, so it is somewhat distributed at least.  The profusion of beer types today is quite something.  I still just pick up Sam Adams if I feel like some beer.  The wife likes Classic City beer, which is about negative IBU but not bad at all (when it's cold).

(https://i.imgur.com/lthaWhq.png)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 17, 2020, 11:36:21 AM
This thread just needs some kind of update, sitting here sad and lonely for over 2 weeks.  So here is a picture of a delicious pilsner, of which I will be having several as soon as it hits 5:00.  And on a Friday during COVID quarantine, 5:00 actually means 2:00.  Or maybe 12:00...
(https://www.porchdrinking.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/LiveOakPilz.jpg)

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2020, 08:34:54 AM
I snuck out of the office at 2:30 Friday and started on this well known lager

(https://images.freshop.com/00018200000164/8f07d85749f6a484ab35e30352df1432_large.png)

the event I'm attending today will be providing these little 12ozers for a buck a peice!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 20, 2020, 07:43:32 PM
https://www.craftbeer.com/craft-beer-muses/dont-drink-another-beer-before-reading-this (https://www.craftbeer.com/craft-beer-muses/dont-drink-another-beer-before-reading-this)

Every year. Every damn year I have to work the same handful of beer festivals, slinging sample-sized portions of beers I don’t even know how to categorize anymore. By the end of the day, I am left with a thought: I think we forgot how to drink craft beer.

I’ve got a beer in front of me as I write this. It’s Stone IPA, my go-to. Go grab yourself a beer you find yourself going back to again and again. It’s a rare thing these days, but apparently, so is this experience–drinking with intent.

My name is Simon Nielsen. I’m head brewer at Central Waters Brewing Company in Amherst, Wisconsin. If you could share one thing about yourself with me, what would it be? Mine: connecting with others and using beer as the vehicle to do so was the main reason I was drawn to craft beer to begin with. There are plenty of beers for people who want to drink beer alone. But I want to talk about creating connection.

You know the first thing that tells me a person knows how to drink beer? They look at it!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2020, 01:40:19 PM
Meh.  Drink what you like on two occasions.  When you're alone, and when you're with someone.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 22, 2020, 03:58:49 PM
Meh.  Drink what you like on two occasions.  When you're alone, and when you're with someone.
Don't mind if I do!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2020, 07:08:40 AM
I look askance when "experts" tell me what to enjoy and how to enjoy it.  I like advice, that's how I learn, but not some snooty "command" ...

And nearly all real experts are good at saying "I find what works well for me is ...", or here is something to try.  For example, most of us have a dominant nostril.  You can determine this easily enough by closing off one and smelling something like wine that has smell and trying the other.  Then in future you can small wine by tilting your head and using that better nostril.  Or, not.  You can pour it and drink it without smelling it if you wish.  

As opposed to "This is how you should drink whatever ...".

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2020, 09:16:18 AM
Yeah folks all have their own opinions.  Some of those "experts" will even tell you that you should be using brandy-based orange liqueur in your margaritas! 

:)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 23, 2020, 09:48:34 AM
some experts think the shape and material of the container you drink from is better or not as better
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2020, 09:57:39 AM
Indeed some do.

As always though, you should drink what you like, how you like!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on April 23, 2020, 11:53:17 AM
I've had experts show me how to taste wine critically. They provided some words to describe different parts of the wine experience. How does it smell initially? How does it feel on the tongue? On the front? As you swallow it? Afterwards? Each of these (and more) contributes to your enjoyment (or lack thereof) of contacting wine.

Getting the words involved, and knowing where and how to sense them, helps me describe what I like or don't like. Certain regions, manufacturing processes, and drinking techniques tend to favor different parts of the experience. That's helpful in examining what might be a good experience before purchasing and opening one of the infinite offerings available.

That's not to say I always pick a bottle that optimizes the likelihood of enjoyment. Availability, price point, intent, and frankly my mood at the time are much more likely to determine my selection. 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2020, 01:13:49 PM
When I was teaching wine classes, I would describe the "perfect wine" as one that cannot be described.  It is just good.  I'm sure the pros can break it down, but to the rest of us, it is a wine with great BALANCE such that no one feature dominates the experience.

I've been through those tasting classes and for me they were a waste of time beyond understanding how they go about it.  I think it detracts from enjoyment to approach wine that way UNLESS you are trying to write about it or rate it (which I also hate).

Now there is something to understanding whether you like high levels of tannins or a more fruit forward wine or oak and butter, whatever, but I personally don't get in the weeds with descriptors.  The wife prefers "smooth" (low tannin) wines but I find I can give her a Big Boy with some age on it and she likes it a lot even if the tannins are pretty strong, and she can dislike a low tannin wine if it is flabby and morose.

Oddly enough she tends to prefer American wines except for Champagne.

Drink what you like how you like and when you like and to hell with experts.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on April 23, 2020, 01:26:11 PM
That was, more or less, my point and I forgot to include it. =)

The experience was valuable because now I can discuss what I like and don't like using words that wine enthusiasts might understand. I can read a bottle and get a vague feel for what might be inside.

Ultimately, though, I'm going to open a bottle, drink the contents (I know what I wrote!), and want it to be enjoyable in the moment. I'm not going to spend time breathing it, sipping it, swishing it, gargling it, and rolling it. I'm going to drink the stuff.

It's meant to be enjoyed, not analyzed.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2020, 01:36:23 PM
I used to never buy anything I had not tasted first, but since moving that changed.  And Costco has such crazy wine prices I take a shot on something and it usually is quite good and I go back and get more.

We rewatched the movie "Somm" the other night.  It almost put me to sleep, ha.

The Kirkland brand wines are in my experience about 90% great values.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 15, 2020, 03:15:11 PM
I like beer.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 15, 2020, 03:40:51 PM
It makes me a jolly good fellow!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 15, 2020, 08:08:16 PM
It helps me unwind.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 15, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
and sometimes it makes me feel mellow
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 15, 2020, 09:52:19 PM
Whiskey's too much rough.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 15, 2020, 10:01:40 PM
Champagne costs too much
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 15, 2020, 10:11:09 PM
Tito's puts my mouth in gear.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 15, 2020, 10:17:18 PM
This little refrain should help me explain as a matter of fact I like beer…
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 16, 2020, 12:04:08 AM
Line-hog!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 16, 2020, 10:02:41 AM
Champagne costs too much
The real stuff does.  Kirkland has a real Champagne for $20.  It's meh.  The better values I find are Cremants from Burgundy or Alsace.  They are usually made the same was from the same grapes but from a different region.  Cavas can be quite good also for $10-15 (Spain).  The wife loves Kirkland Prosecco, which I quaff with her at times.

I picked up a 12 pack of Sweetwater 420 because it is nearly summer and the wife likes low hop lighter beers and this one I can drink.

It is a bit chilly here this AM, was 58°F when I woke up.  Nice to have the place open to the elements.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 16, 2020, 12:54:28 PM
There are some cavas and proseccos that I like.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on June 16, 2020, 05:12:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/iDcUC0x.png)

She's sipping vermouth and she thinks I'm uncouth
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 16, 2020, 05:15:38 PM
she might be correct in this case
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 01, 2020, 02:48:47 PM
I'm not a fan of vermouth.  I drink martinis desert-dry.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 01, 2020, 03:54:38 PM
Yeah, I never understood the addition of vermouth.  Tonic water works for me, or nothing at all.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on July 01, 2020, 04:34:01 PM
Wife likes Manhattans. I usually have some sweeter vermouth around.

Since it's hot and I'm not on a boat where I should be, I made gullywash (https://www.uncommoncaribbean.com/grand-bahama-island/gully-wash/) this weekend. I make it with Beefeater gin (the only gin I really use - otherwise what's the point?), at just about a 50/50 mix.

Now, if I could find conch meat in Waco...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 01, 2020, 04:44:53 PM
My fav is Tangueray Ten, but I make do with the regular stuff usually.

I find the Ten evaporates when I get it home.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on July 01, 2020, 05:16:11 PM
My fav is Tangueray Ten, but I make do with the regular stuff usually.

I find the Ten evaporates when I get it home.

I actually really don't care  for gin. If I'm using it, it's because I've got to have the juniper hit. London gin is very "juniper forward".
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 01, 2020, 05:18:39 PM
Bombay Sapphire for me thank you very much.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 03, 2020, 09:54:21 PM
that's my go to

Roku Japanese gin is very good imo
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 04, 2020, 08:20:05 AM
My fav mixed drink is a simple G&T with lime.  I don't find the expensive tonic water to be worth it, but I think my taste buds are not very discerning.

The Ten has a heavy botanical influence that I like neat and cold.

I find I enjoy just about any craft beer that is not flavored.  The flavored stuff loses me, but I like flavored vodka.
  

Ha.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 04, 2020, 09:22:27 PM
Hendrick's gin has some botanical flavor

I prefer bombay and roku
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 05, 2020, 07:59:48 AM
I tried the major gins one after the other, never tried Roku, will do it.

I ran through many of the bourbons, still settled on Woodford.  The vodka thing I did switch to Tito's though I keep some Grey Goose around if the wife decides she wants some.  She is prejudiced.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 06, 2020, 12:03:59 PM
have her try Ketel One

it's European and MUCH better than Goose 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 06, 2020, 12:24:40 PM
She's French.  Ketel One isn't.

I don't have the best taste buds in the world, but I once did a blind taste of cold vodkas neat and GG was my favorite, KOne was last in the group.

Chopin was second.  Of course I was drunk by the time I finished the 17th vodka.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 06, 2020, 04:29:40 PM
personal preference

I prefer Tito's to GG

haven't found one I like better than Ketel

obviously, we are both correct
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 06, 2020, 04:44:02 PM
Yup, for the money, Tito's is the best IMHO.  I am very happy with it especially with TW or whatever.

I bought a bottle of Hennessey XO Cognac in France (not that it's any different there) and that's a bit of a special occasion after dinner item.

That is probably the smoothest distilled item I've ever had, can't think of anything close.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on July 06, 2020, 05:53:17 PM
Vodka's job is to add warmth to the drink. It really isn't supposed to have much of a "taste" at all. Tito's has always been really good at just getting out of the way.

Hennessy cognac is something I like to use to demonstrate glassware and environment. That is, if you pour Hennessy into a shot glass and swallow it, it hurts! It's a cold bite of ethyl alcohol that just really isn't that pleasant!
If you put that same shot into a snifter and let your hand warm it for about 5 minutes, then sip, you get all the happy esters in your nose from the bulb glass. The warm liquid becomes almost candy type smooth with none of the brutal bite the shot had.

It's also why it's a crime to drink it outta the bottle! If you're just looking to consume booze, by all means be my guest! I do it too on occasion. Just don't waste the fine craft built into the cognac to do it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 29, 2022, 05:38:48 PM
Just wanted to say, I still like beer.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 29, 2022, 05:53:22 PM
We're fortunate to have good beer these days for about $1.50 per in a store.  Then it's $7-8 in a bar.

When I started drinking, there was no good beer, unless you think St. Pauli Girl is.  Or skunky Heinekin.  One dive in Athens had dark Schlitz I liked.  I could pop over the main street for lunch after German and make it across campus to chemistry the next period.

Dark Schlitz.  I remember when Stroh came through.  And someone would "import" Coors, which was thought to be superb.  Then the Lite beers happened.  I recall drinking a fair bit of Red White and Blue, which is cheapened PBR, or Busch, which is cheapened Bud.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 29, 2022, 10:08:43 PM
red white and blue was the same as generic beer

horrible
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2022, 08:21:43 AM
I was a poor college student.  I had a buddy who'd split a case with me on Friday nights, we got whatever was cheap.  Then I got a GF and that stopped it for a while, the GF was not cheaper though.  The dude was from south Georgia and drove a jacked up Mustang and was a liberal, interesting fellow.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 30, 2022, 08:29:52 AM
being poor leaves some undesirable choices

I was also poor in college

it was the reason I didn't finish

really couldn't afford college and was adverse to taking out loans
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2022, 08:32:53 AM
I wasn't really poor, my Dad paid for it, he even let me keep the scholarship money (which wasn't much).  I was more cheap than poor, which helped out when I went to grad school, where I was getting paid about enough to cover expenses until the very end.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on June 30, 2022, 08:34:01 AM
I'm making a lot of rum punches these days.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2022, 08:44:49 AM
My wife likes beer, which is good, mostly the Pilsner types.  Some of them have decent flavor of course.  Some don't.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 30, 2022, 08:51:04 AM
I'm making a lot of rum punches these days.
We're doing ranch water out by the pool quite a bit this summer.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2022, 09:35:49 AM
I have a weakness for gin and tonics.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 30, 2022, 09:39:16 AM
bombay or Roku with a slice of lime or lemon
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 30, 2022, 09:49:45 AM
I'm a bigtime lover of gin and tonic. 

Bombay Sapphire is my "house" gin.  My i s c & a aggie wife likes Hendricks but that's not really my jam.

I also usually keep a couple of less common bottles around, right now I'm enjoying some Boodles that was a recommendation and is priced about the same as Sapphire, and some Old R'aj that was a gift and appears to be considerably more expensive.  They're both tasty but I don't think they're any better than Sapphire.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2022, 10:09:02 AM
My favorite gin is Tanqueray Ten.  I like it on ice, no tonic.  I usually get the standard version.  Flavored vodka.

I picked up some Famous Grouse (scotch) and find it's pretty good for me also (or bad).

My wife picked up some flavored vodka, a cheaper brand of some ilk, it was pretty bad.  Lime flavored I think.  Meh.  Smirnoff I think it was.

She also like rose' and grapefruit liquor, which to me is quite odd.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 30, 2022, 10:19:02 AM
Tanqueray Ten is okay.  If a bar has that and not Sapphire, then I'll order it and be fine with it.

Famous Grouse is one of the blended scotches that I actually like.  

My wife likes the grapefruit flavored boutique vodkas.  Honestly I'd rather just squeeze fresh grapefruit into a plain Tito's.  But I suppose there are times when grapefruit aren't in season.

I love rose', typically prefer the French ones, like from Provence.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2022, 10:25:59 AM
I'm doing a wine tasting tomorrow that is all rose'.  My wife nagged me about the e'.  

δ ▼▬8cXV

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 30, 2022, 11:27:33 AM
Rose' all day.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2022, 11:28:20 AM
µé

I found the é

ALT 130
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on June 30, 2022, 11:50:32 AM
We're doing ranch water out by the pool quite a bit this summer.


My daughter bugged me a bout ranch water a couple of weeks ago. Significantly easier build than the rum punch. I just hafta remember to keep Topo Chico on hand.

They're not bad! Less syrupy than my usual Margarita concoction. There's still 3oz of tequila in a pint glass!
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Post by: longhorn320 on June 30, 2022, 12:48:04 PM
worst beer I ever had was Texas Pride
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2022, 12:55:18 PM
Coors Light comes to mind, but it's not horrible, just tasteless.  Aside from skunky beers, I've had some bad "beer" that was flavored with something, like pumpkin.

Ech.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 30, 2022, 01:12:37 PM
Coors Light is WAY better than any Budweiser product, because it has almost no flavor, compared to having disgustingly bad flavor, like Bud.

No offense intended to any lovers of Budweiser products who might happen to be on this message board...

My daughter bugged me a bout ranch water a couple of weeks ago. Significantly easier build than the rum punch. I just hafta remember to keep Topo Chico on hand.

They're not bad! Less syrupy than my usual Margarita concoction. There's still 3oz of tequila in a pint glass!
Yeah, I still love a good margarita but they're sweet enough they get really heavy after a while.  Ranch water is great as an all-day-at-the-pool kind of beverage.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 30, 2022, 10:43:22 PM
worst beer I ever had was Texas Pride
sounds horrid
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on June 30, 2022, 10:52:32 PM
sounds horrid
It was but you could get drunk on $3

and for a college kid that was special
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on July 09, 2022, 07:28:48 PM
Never heard of this (or maybe never put 2 and 2 together) until recently.

Small beer
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote
Small beer
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Bier_bioshopenmout.jpg/220px-Bier_bioshopenmout.jpg)
A modern Belgian tafelbier
Type Lager or ale
Country of origin Europe and North America
Alcohol by volume Between 0.5% to 2.8%

Small beer (also known as small ale or table beer) is a lager or ale that contains a lower amount of alcohol by volume than most others, usually between 0.5% and 2.8%.[1][2] Sometimes unfiltered and porridge-like, it was a favoured drink in Medieval Europe and colonial North America compared with more expensive beer containing higher levels of alcohol.[3] Small beer was also produced in households for consumption by children and by servants. It is a commonly held belief that in many places (especially towns and cities) it was safer to drink than the water available,[4] however this is a myth.[5]

History
At mealtimes in the Middle Ages, persons of all ages drank small beer, particularly while eating a meal at the table. Table beer was around this time typically less than 1% alcohol by volume (ABV).[6]

It was common for workers who engaged in laborious tasks to drink more than ten imperial pints (5.7 litres) of small beer a day to quench their thirst. Small beer was also consumed for its nutrition content. It might contain traces of wheat or bread suspended within it.

In 17th century England, it was an excise class which was determined by its wholesale price. Between the years 1782 and 1802, table beer was said to define that which cost between six and eleven shillings per barrel and the tax on this class was around three shillings. Cheaper beer was considered small beer while the more expensive brands were classed as strong (big) beer. The differences between small beer and table beer were removed in 1802 because there was much fraudulent mixing of the types.

Small beer was socially acceptable in 18th-century England because of its lower alcohol content, allowing people to drink several glasses without becoming drunk. William Hogarth's portrait Beer Street (1751) shows a group of happy workers going about their business after drinking table beer.[2] It became increasingly popular during the 19th century, displacing malt liquor as the drink of choice for families and servants.[7]

In his A Plan for the Conduct of Female Education, in Boarding Schools published 1797, writer Erasmus Darwin agreed that "For the drink of the more robust children water is preferable, and for the weaker ones, small beer ...".[8] Ruthin School's charter, signed by Elizabeth I, stipulates that small beer should be provided to all scholars, and larger educational establishments like Eton, Winchester, and Oxford University even ran their own breweries.[9]

To a large extent, the role of small beer as an everyday drink was gradually overtaken in the British Isles by tea, as that became cheaper from the later 18th century.[citation needed]

Contemporary usage
Small beer and small ale can also refer to beers made from the second runnings from the stronger beer (e.g., scotch ale). Such beers can be as strong as a mild ale, but it depends on the strength of the original mash. This was an economic measure in household brewing in England until the 18th century, and still produced by some homebrewers.[citation needed] it is now only produced commercially in small quantities in Britain, and is not widely available in pubs or shops.

In Belgium, small or table beer is known as tafelbier and their many varieties are still brewed. Breweries that perpetuated in this type included De Es of Schalkhoven and Gigi of Gérouville in the Province of Luxembourg.[10] In the US, a Vienna lager was a popular table beer before prohibition.[11] Small beers are also produced in Germany and Switzerland albeit using local brewing methods. In Finland, new alternatives continue to be sought for the beverage.[12]

In Sweden beer with an alcohol content of 2.25 per cent by volume, or less, sold as lättöl ("light beer"), is legally classified as a soft drink (lättdryck), exempt from alcohol tax and age restrictions, made by virtually all breweries, sold in all grocery stores and commonly served in company lunch canteens.[13]

In art and history
Literature

Metaphorically, small beer means a trifle, or a thing of little importance.
"Small ale" appears in the works of Shakespeare,[a] William Thackeray's Vanity Fair, and in Ellis Peters' Brother Cadfael series, and "small beer" appears in Thackeray's Barry Lyndon.
Graham Greene used the phrase "small beer" in the metaphorical sense in The Honorary Consul.
When David Balfour first meets his uncle Ebenezer in Robert Louis Stevenson's novel Kidnapped, Ebenezer has laid a table with his own supper, "with a bowl of porridge, a horn spoon, and a cup of small beer". The small beer, horn spoon, and the porridge, indicates Ebenezer Balfour's miserliness, since he could afford much better food and drink, but it may also be meant to convey the "trifle" meaning as an indication of Ebenezer's weak, petty character.
In the song "There Lived a King" in the Gilbert and Sullivan comic opera The Gondoliers, small beer is used as a metaphor for something that is common or is of little value.[14]

History
Thomas Thetcher's tombstone at Winchester Cathedral features a poem that blames his death on drinking cold small beer.
Benjamin Franklin attested in his autobiography that it was sometimes had with breakfast. George Washington had a recipe for it involving bran and molasses.[15]
William Cobbett in his work "A History of the Protestant Reformation" refers to a 12th-century Catholic place of hospitality which fed 100 men a day – "Each had a loaf of bread, three quarts of small beer, and 'two messes,' for his dinner; and they were allowed to carry home that which they did not consume upon the spot." (Pg. 90, TAN Books, 1988)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 12, 2022, 06:53:23 AM
It's interesting, to me anyway, how drinking water was dangerous until fairly recently, unless you lived away from humans and had a decent well.

You'd be better off drinking urine healthwise.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2022, 09:53:27 AM
derned chemists

using logic to encourage drinking urine
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 12, 2022, 10:09:33 AM
Old beer brands I recollect:

Stroh - fire brewed, whatever that could possible mean, tasted pretty bad to me

Schlitz - tasted like Bud to me

Falstaff - tasted worse than Bud

Lone Star - not very good

Jax - worse than Lone Star

Heileman's - not very good

Hamm's - still around in a few spots, not very good

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2022, 11:06:16 AM
Just got back from New Orleans, drank a lot more bourbon than beer on that particular trip.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on July 12, 2022, 11:38:41 AM
Just got back from New Orleans, drank a lot more bourbon than beer on that particular trip.
glad you got back safely

I understand its getting a bit rowdy there
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Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2022, 11:45:32 AM
glad you got back safely

I understand its getting a bit rowdy there
Is it?  I didn't hear or see anything unusual while we were there, but I also didn't watch the news.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2022, 11:49:33 AM
nothing like Chicago
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2022, 12:13:08 PM
Yeah I heard about Chicago.  But it seems like Chicago is pretty much always like that now.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on July 12, 2022, 12:15:35 PM
nothing like Chicago
nothing is like Chicago
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Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2022, 12:18:46 PM
I've been there a few times, always enjoyed it.

More-so than New Orleans

but, the last time was around 2007

not planning to go back
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2022, 12:38:53 PM
Chicago's a great town.  It's huge, compared to New Orleans.  I'm sure it has more restaurants overall by a significant margin, but they are more spread out.

The quality of restaurant and entertainment options per square foot, is much, MUCH higher in New Orleans, than in Chicago.  But that's not a knock on Chicago, it's higher in New Orleans than in any other city I've ever been to, on the entire planet.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 12, 2022, 02:38:59 PM
Tis a pity I had such a poor time in NO, I won't ever go back, and I'm pretty sure I missed out.  Our experience was that bad.

I would list Boston as one city we had some pretty good food, along with SF and LA.  Usually if you visit a city for say a week, you might find 1-3 really good dining experiences, the rest being OK.  We had some good food in Savannah each time we've been.  There are three places in Hilton Head we like a lot.  Cincinnati had/has some really outstanding restaurants for a city that much out of the way, I thought, but I knew where to go.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2022, 03:13:58 PM
Most big cities have some excellent dining options.  I'd say "all" but I haven't been to every big city on the planet.

Houston and Dallas don't have the history of places like Chicago or NY or Boston, but they both have outstanding food.  Houston is especially diverse in ethnic options, as a port city and hub of finance and industry in the southern US.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 12, 2022, 03:26:35 PM
I used to go to Houston on business almost monthly, which was nice in February, not great in August.  I got wined and dined at some nice places.  I even saw a baseball game in the Astrodome.  One place specialized in game, I had elk of some sort.

My favorite places often are holes in the wall that are really good.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2022, 06:56:38 PM
Sure I love hole in the wall discoveries, sort of the "barn finds" of the restaurant world.

And I love really top notch restaurants that are known for making great food, too.

I don't really care one way or the other, because good food is good food.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on July 12, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
Old beer brands I recollect:

Stroh - fire brewed, whatever that could possible mean, tasted pretty bad to me

Schlitz - tasted like Bud to me

Falstaff - tasted worse than Bud

Lone Star - not very good

Jax - worse than Lone Star

Heileman's - not very good

Hamm's - still around in a few spots, not very good
Stag.

No wonder more and more people
Are joining the Stag line
For extra-dry Stag beer!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2022, 08:03:21 PM
Buckhorn.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2022, 09:07:01 PM
drinking New Glarus Fat Squirrel tonight

damn fine beer from Wisconsin
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2022, 09:10:26 PM
I did try a few local beers from around Louisiana whilst in New Orleans and I gotta say they were pretty disappointing. 

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2022, 09:59:53 PM
but, not as bad as Budweiser
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2022, 10:19:59 PM
Obviously.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on July 12, 2022, 10:23:03 PM
but, not as bad as Budweiser
Or Jax--brewed in New Orleans.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2022, 10:26:47 PM
Yeah Jax is basically their version of Lone Star or Pearl.  I've had it before and know better than to try it again.

I'm talking about more modern craft beer.  I guess they put so much energy into catching and eating anything and everything that comes out of a swamp, that they never really learned how to brew beer.

It's okay, I can forgive them whilst just drinking Old Fashioneds and Sazeracs.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2022, 10:29:10 PM
Many believe that the first Sazerac called for cognac, a spirit that was prevalent in French-influenced New Orleans during the 1800s. A cognac called Sazerac-de-Forge-et-Fils was served at the original Sazerac Coffee House, and Antoine Peychaud (inventor of the cocktail’s necessary Peychaud’s bitters) was known to enjoy combining his bitters with French brandy.

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Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2022, 11:03:30 PM
Better yet, make a couple Sazeracs side by side, one with cognac and one with rye whiskey. Only then can you crown a champion.

Challenge accepted.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 13, 2022, 06:52:23 AM
The craft beers today are mostly great in my world, though some at times get too cute obviously.  I avoid IPAs with crazy names and anything with fruit.

A balanced IPA will be to my liking.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 13, 2022, 09:40:47 AM
i find there's a lot of decent craft beer, perfectly drinkable, but very little excellent craft beer.

The market has become saturated and standardized with beers that all tend to taste the same, unless they're going for something really funky but in those cases it often ends up so extremely over the top, that it either doesn't taste like beer, or doesn't taste good, or both.

But I keep on trying new ones just the same.  Every now and then, I find something truly great.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 13, 2022, 11:34:07 AM
I don't recall a beer I'd call truly great, just beers that are very good IMHO.  I don't know what the upside would be.  I've had wine that was truly great a few times, not just because of the label.  I'm happy with a Sam Adams or even a 420 if it's hot out.

The restaurant at Sweetwater Brewery is one of the best I've found as a beer place, the food is better than the usual bar food and they have a great selection some items only available there.  I take visitors there fairly often.  Great patio area.  When they finish the Beltline I'll be able to walk there fairly easily, long walk.

Visit - SweetWater Brewing Company (https://www.sweetwaterbrew.com/visit/)

(https://i.imgur.com/o4aWhbh.png)

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 13, 2022, 11:44:20 AM
everyone has their preference 

my preference of beer tastes changes with the seasons, probably similar to wine

I find Guinness, Anchor Steam, Bob's 47 from Boulevard and a few others as great beers 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 13, 2022, 12:15:46 PM
Guinness is a truly great beer, agreed.

There are definitely some great craft beers out there, for sure.  In most cases they're already identified and known.  And if there are, say, 20 craft breweries in a large city, two or three of them might each have one or two great beers.  And most breweries produce at least 10-20 styles regularly.  So out of 200-400 beers in a city, 3-6 might be great.

Which is why I say there's a lot of decent, drinkable craft beer out there, but only a very small percentage stands out as great.


Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 13, 2022, 12:22:08 PM
And since the my comment on my experience with NOLA's beers kind of spurred this bit of the discussion, I'll say that I haven't tasted a single great beer from that city, and most of the craft beer I've sampled from there, I consider below average.  In one place I actually ordered a Sam Adams rather than the locals they had on draft, since I'd already tried and been disappointed in those local selections.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on July 13, 2022, 01:44:12 PM
Speaking of Sam Adams, the difference between its Boston Ale and its Boston Lager is the difference between beers I like and beers I don't like.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 13, 2022, 02:22:10 PM
Speaking of Sam Adams, the difference between its Boston Ale and its Boston Lager is the difference between beers I like and beers I don't like.

I think you're suggesting that you like the Boston Ale and not the Boston Lager?

If so, I'm with you.  I like the Boston Ale WAY better than the brewery's flagship beer, the Boston Lager.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 13, 2022, 02:46:25 PM
see, I prefer the lager

but, us Bud Men prefer lagers to ales, for the most part
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 13, 2022, 02:48:41 PM
I like lots of lagers.  Sam Adams just isn't one of them.

All pilsners are lagers and I love a good Czech or German pilz.  Vienna-style lagers are delicious too, when executed well.  Marzens (aka Oktoberfestbiers) are lagers, plenty of tasty examples of those.  Bocks are lagers, I dig them too.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 13, 2022, 03:32:08 PM
I used to prefer the SA Ale, but I don't see it around any more.  The lager is fine with me.  Back in the day, it was the first widely available decent US beer.

I hear Budwar is very good but have never had it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 13, 2022, 03:56:09 PM
Budvar (original Budweiser) is a standard Czech pilsner.  It's tasty.

Like pretty much all beer, it's better in its own region. Shipping beer around the globe tends to degrade its quality.  So the Budvar I had in the Czech Republic, was better than what I've had here in the US.  But it's still decent, here.  It has far more flavor, of course, than the American Budweiser.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 13, 2022, 04:55:29 PM
We once thought Michelob was high end beer.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 13, 2022, 05:02:42 PM
We once thought Michelob was high end beer.
That's certainly the way it was marketed!

But of course personal taste matters most. As you well know, there are some very tasty wines that are inexpensive.  And there are some expensive wines that aren't all that tasty.  Beer's no different.

And now, after all this beer talk, I'm thirsty for a Czech Pilz.  Good thing I have the best one on the planet, in my beer fridge, right now.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 13, 2022, 05:08:16 PM
I'm having a glass of Kirkland Cabernet box wine right now.

It's amazing.  I'm fixing beef stew with leftover grilled ribeyes.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 13, 2022, 05:14:00 PM
I'm having a glass of Kirkland Cabernet box wine right now.

It's amazing.  I'm fixing beef stew with leftover grilled ribeyes.
On my way, when's dinner?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 13, 2022, 07:26:48 PM
beef stew in this heat???

hopefully the air conditioner is operating well
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 13, 2022, 07:29:00 PM
I like lots of lagers.  Sam Adams just isn't one of them.

All pilsners are lagers and I love a good Czech or German pilz.  Vienna-style lagers are delicious too, when executed well.  Marzens (aka Oktoberfestbiers) are lagers, plenty of tasty examples of those.  Bocks are lagers, I dig them too. 
yup, pilsners  Vienna-style   Marzens   Bocks
the fat Squirrel from New Glarus is a nut brown ale - I really enjoy a good brown ale
my favorite is Newcastle -  I cornsider it to be a great beer
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 13, 2022, 07:38:45 PM
Yup I love Newcastle Brown Ale.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 13, 2022, 08:05:36 PM
Harp Lager is another of my favs I consider great

along with a handful  from Live Oak Brewing
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on July 13, 2022, 11:29:00 PM
see, I prefer the lager

but, us Bud Men prefer lagers to ales, for the most part
I have nothing against lagers.
But Sam's lager is hoppier than I like it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 14, 2022, 09:18:57 AM
I have nothing against lagers.
But Sam's lager is hoppier than I like it.
Yup.  They were doing that long before the recent trend of breweries attempting to make "India Pale Lagers."  Blech.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 14, 2022, 09:21:56 AM
I can enjoy most beers as long as the International Bitterness Units are 30 or less

leaves out most IPAs
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 14, 2022, 09:28:50 AM
I can enjoy most beers as long as the International Bitterness Units are 30 or less

leaves out most IPAs

If a beer is balanced between hop and malt character, the IBU can be above 30 and it still tastes good.  Live Oak Pilz, for example, is a classic Cech pilz that I don't think many folks would describe as being overly hoppy, and yet it rates a 36 IBU.  It's just that it ALSO has a really strong malt backbone to balance and carry those flavors forward.

Brutally over-hopped IPAs, on the other hand, have no balance.  No nuance.  No subtlety or finesse.  Just tongue-blistering hops.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 14, 2022, 09:36:33 AM
you are correct - I really like the Live Oak Pilz


and I've enjoyed some others over the 30 IBU, but they are rare


so, when perusing the menu at a local brewery I start with the selections at 30 IBU or less


in the spring/summer there are fewer bocks, marzens on the menu and I try more things


my daughter is a fan of the sours, I've found one or two that I can almost enjoy
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 14, 2022, 09:55:11 AM
you are correct - I really like the Live Oak Pilz


and I've enjoyed some others over the 30 IBU, but they are rare


so, when perusing the menu at a local brewery I start with the selections at 30 IBU or less


in the spring/summer there are fewer bocks, marzens on the menu and I try more things


my daughter is a fan of the sours, I've found one or two that I can almost enjoy

In Belgium, where sours were pretty much invented, nobody drinks more than one or two sours at a time. Only Americans who seem to believe that "nothing exceeds like excess" would ever think of drinking more than that.  Much like the way IPAs became the driving force in American craft beer-- for some reason our national psyche just doesn't take well to subtlety and nuance.

Despite all the wild ales and sours and lambics and other oddball styles Belgium makes, the majority of beer consumed there, is still pilsner/light lager.  Large national brands Maes, Jupiler, and Stella carry the most volume.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 14, 2022, 10:01:52 AM
My "motto" I use to describe American stuff is:

"If some is good, more is better."

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 14, 2022, 10:20:38 PM
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#5 & #13 are in Sewer City, both solid, 

I need to try more
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 15, 2022, 06:03:42 AM
I find more difference between types in one brewery than between breweries.  A lot more.  They all seem to make some good beers, the ones I've tried.  There are four in walking distance, fairly long walks in two cases.

I don't know about walking home.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 15, 2022, 09:39:42 AM
stay away from the 10% ers
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 15, 2022, 09:40:41 AM
I like both ales and lagers in general.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 15, 2022, 10:53:54 AM
Yup same here.

Belgian ales and English ales and German ales are my favorites.  As discussed before, too many American ales are based on the west coast IPA tendency to brutally over-hop the heck out of everything.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 15, 2022, 11:45:26 AM
This happened in wine with zinfandel and chardonnay in particular, but really with every varietal in the US.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 15, 2022, 11:58:17 AM
IPA stands for "India Pale Ale." These were beers that were crafted in England, and shipped from England to India, during the Occupation.

Hops are a preservative, and the flavor diminishes over time.  Excessive hops were added to IPAs in order to preserve them during this long transcontinental journey, and when the beer reached its final destination, the bitter hop character would diminish and mellow, resulting in a pleasant drinking experience similar to what you'd have in the home country of England, from a beer that was freshly brewed and had far less bitter hops added because it didn't have to make the trek to India.

I've enjoyed many English IPAs over the years-- after they've been properly aged and rested, as they would have if they'd been shipped to India.

But Americans, being who and what we are, decided we needed to brew these beers with excessive hops, and then drink them immediately.  The resulting bitterness was never intended for consumption, but of course Americans did American things, and here we are.  For almost two decades, it completely ruined the American craft beer palate, and we're only in recent years emerging from that and finding breweries willing to brew better nuanced and more flavorful beers, instead of the standard too-bitter over-hopped American IPAs.  But even so, the West Coast IPA still dominates the American craft beer market.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 15, 2022, 12:06:16 PM
I am having good luck finding balanced IPAs.  When I ask for them, the bar tender nods and gives me 2-3 choices usually which are fine.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 15, 2022, 01:00:56 PM
I am having good luck finding balanced IPAs.  When I ask for them, the bar tender nods and gives me 2-3 choices usually which are fine.


Yup, it can be done.

The relatively recent trend of "hazy IPAs" or "juicy IPAs" or "New England IPAs" are considerably less bitter than their West Coast counterparts, and I've found several of them to be enjoyable.

They're still not ever going to be my go-to beers, though.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 15, 2022, 01:45:50 PM
We were in Asheville at two different places that had a decent tap lineup, and I got decent IPAs at both.  Sometimes they include the bitterness rating on the menu.

That helps.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 15, 2022, 07:12:00 PM
Yup, it can be done.

The relatively recent trend of "hazy IPAs" or "juicy IPAs" or "New England IPAs" are considerably less bitter than their West Coast counterparts, and I've found several of them to be enjoyable.

They're still not ever going to be my go-to beers, though. 
Ed Zachery

and the IBU rating helps, I stay in the low 30s or below
unless I get a recommendation
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on July 16, 2022, 02:05:14 PM
Long ago and far away, there was a beer named Heineken.  It was said to represent the very best of Europe, and only the most sophisticated of American pallets could truly appreciate its wonderfulness.

I thought it stunk and tasted terrible.

Was (is?) Heineken stinky beer because it was (is?) overhopped, or for some other reason?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 16, 2022, 02:12:24 PM
It comes in green, not brown bottles, and is shipped, and sunlight is the nemesis of beer, as is heat.  Beer bottles are usually brown for good reason.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on September 14, 2022, 08:14:58 PM
A really nice longform article on Live Oak Brewing here in Austin, from the folks at GoodBeerHunting.

https://www.goodbeerhunting.com/blog/2022/9/13/bamberg-on-the-colorado-live-oak-brewing-company-in-austin-texas?fbclid=IwAR3U38n7hlZ50tCqJU-_aJcnFTherK1qSLuqpErfezmR9qKE2RGTRSGRe7Q

@MrNubbz (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=17) in case you don't check down here, I know you're always interested in beer stuff. :)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on September 14, 2022, 08:49:34 PM
utee have you ever considered brewing your own beer

there are brewing supply stores all over

I got into it at about $100 but today it might be twice that amount

I dont do it anymore but back in the day I could bottle several cases at about 25 cents a beer

today cost would be somewhat higher

anyway it was a lot of fun
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on September 14, 2022, 09:02:49 PM
utee have you ever considered brewing your own beer

there are brewing supply stores all over

I got into it at about $100 but today it might be twice that amount

I dont do it anymore but back in the day I could bottle several cases at about 25 cents a beer

today cost would be somewhat higher

anyway it was a lot of fun

Yeah I started home-brewing with Bald Greg in the mid 90s, like about a billion other people.  I enjoyed it, but it's a lot of work.  And the most important part of the job is also the most tedious and boring-- cleaning and sterilizing everything.  That was about the time I met and became friends with Chip at Live Oak, and I could just go to his brewery and drink all kinds of great beer, for free, without all the work. 

Every now and then I think about getting back into it.  I sold off all my equipment a couple decades ago, but maybe someday.

If I ever did, my first beer would undoubtedly be a  (https://chainlinebrewing.com/beer-item/cerne-czech-black-lager/)Černé Czech Black Lager .

 (https://chainlinebrewing.com/beer-item/cerne-czech-black-lager/)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on September 14, 2022, 09:03:22 PM
A really nice longform article on Live Oak Brewing here in Austin, from the folks at GoodBeerHunting.

https://www.goodbeerhunting.com/blog/2022/9/13/bamberg-on-the-colorado-live-oak-brewing-company-in-austin-texas?fbclid=IwAR3U38n7hlZ50tCqJU-_aJcnFTherK1qSLuqpErfezmR9qKE2RGTRSGRe7Q

@MrNubbz (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=17) in case you don't check down here, I know you're always interested in beer stuff. :)

Czech-style Pilz, or award-winning Hefeweizen - They could stop right there,nothing else needed really I have 3 Marzens right now,Great Lakes Gold Medal Winner of course and Thirsty Dogs from Akron and FestBier from Columbus brewing. Nursing them of course as the nights have been dipping into the 50s,might go for a stroll here shortly and see if I can raust up Mad King Ludwig,we've met
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on September 14, 2022, 09:08:45 PM
Czech-style Pilz, or award-winning Hefeweizen - They could stop right there,nothing else needed really I have 3 Marzens right now,Great Lakes Gold Medal Winner of course and Thirsty Dogs from Akron and FestBier from Columbus brewing. Nursing them of course as the nights have been dipping into the 50s,might go for a stroll here shortly and see if I can raust up Mad King Ludwig,we've met
I've had a couple 6-packs of various Oktoberfest beers in the fridge for the past several weeks, and a few nights ago it dipped down to 69, so I took that as a sign to crack one open. :)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on September 14, 2022, 09:08:49 PM
If I ever did, my first beer would undoubtedly be a  (https://chainlinebrewing.com/beer-item/cerne-czech-black-lager/)Černé Czech Black Lager .
Sad day about 3 weeks ago my local corner market closed after being in business since '77. Fetched me all sorts of fine suds.He procured for me Sprechers Black Bavarian Lager from Milwaulkee.I hear they know a thing or two of zymurgy up there. If you are are having problems with fridge content I've been known to make cameos. No sense sending FF
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on September 14, 2022, 09:15:26 PM
They're still not ever going to be my go-to beers, though. 
You're a young man still - don't do it!!!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on September 14, 2022, 09:44:07 PM
If I ever did, my first beer would undoubtedly be a  (https://chainlinebrewing.com/beer-item/cerne-czech-black-lager/)Černé Czech Black Lager .

 (https://chainlinebrewing.com/beer-item/cerne-czech-black-lager/)
nice

overnight lows in the low 40s here a few nights ago

had to close the window about 3am
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on September 23, 2022, 05:10:42 PM
(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/293256730_2590246517776873_6977029642887810182_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=V6zSqGdmQkIAX8j9opd&tn=h3RKF0195C_Cy8Vu&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=00_AT8Hv-4OyS9UU-2CxypYdeZiApCd7xmiKzbMqQu5Xa6iDw&oe=6332689E)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on September 23, 2022, 05:43:34 PM
I don't know that I've ever had a Falstaff.

What I do know is that Falstaff used to sponsor the baseball Game of the Week with Diz and Pee Wee.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on September 23, 2022, 06:27:09 PM
one of my grandad's favorites

he'd sit me on the bar when I was 3 or 4 and give me a taste in a shot glass


my mother did not approve
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on September 23, 2022, 08:00:44 PM
Did you ever drink Falstaff as an adult? The last of it was produced in 2004, per the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on September 23, 2022, 08:23:24 PM
yes sir

not bad stuff
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on September 23, 2022, 08:30:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrScZdC1yn0
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on September 23, 2022, 08:55:00 PM
I guess my first beers were from Adolph Coors.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on September 23, 2022, 08:56:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrScZdC1yn0
Doesn't make me want to go out and buy some.
But at least I can tell what is being advertised.
More than I can say for a lot of commercials today.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on September 23, 2022, 11:03:34 PM
I guess my first beers were from Adolph Coors.
could get those in Iowa for a long time

had to make a run with The Bandit & The Snowman
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on September 24, 2022, 12:42:22 AM
Did you mean "could not get those in Iowa"?

Coors was available in Oklahoma and Texas, but not the upper midwest back in the '70s, IIRC.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2022, 07:40:52 AM
yes, sorry

I had an Aunt who lived in Durango & Cortez, CO

so, there were opportunities

also had an Aunt in Woodland WA, just north of Portland

so opportunities for Olympia beer as well
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on September 24, 2022, 10:26:11 AM
Having those aunts was fortuitous!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on September 24, 2022, 10:32:17 AM
I noticed a common beer at bars in France was 1664, or some such date.  It was very light and meh.

Their wine is better.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2022, 02:24:35 PM
if you hung with the young crowd you might find wine that was very light and meh.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on September 25, 2022, 10:57:45 AM
if you hung with the young crowd you might find wine that was very light and meh.
Which wines?  Rose is pretty light, some can be excellent depending on situation.  My wife and her friend had a St. Joseph with the caviar (which I questioned slightly), it was pretty meaty.  I think wine does offer a broader range of tastes than beer.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on September 25, 2022, 11:43:10 AM
I'm just guessing the same crowds like search out beers that are light and meh, low calories and carbs, will also find wines with similar characteristics 

like wine coolers, whatever those are
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on September 25, 2022, 12:00:40 PM
(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/293256730_2590246517776873_6977029642887810182_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=V6zSqGdmQkIAX8j9opd&tn=h3RKF0195C_Cy8Vu&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=00_AT8Hv-4OyS9UU-2CxypYdeZiApCd7xmiKzbMqQu5Xa6iDw&oe=6332689E)

I love ads like this.  A bunch of non-specific positive-sounding words that really mean nothing.  "America's Premium Quality Beer."

I never had the pleasure of drinking Falstaff, it was around here in the 70s I think but was gone by the time I came of age.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on September 25, 2022, 12:17:14 PM
If you like Bud, you would have liked Falstaff.  Or Schlitz.  Or Miller.  Etc.

Back in the day, my then wife would order "house Chablis" in a bar.  That ended of course, in several respects.  Gallo once sold something called "Hearty Burgundy" which offends my sensibilities.  That also ended.

we do still have "California Champagne" which I find amusing.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on September 25, 2022, 12:20:04 PM
If you like Bud, you would have liked Falstaff.  Or Schlitz.  Or Miller.  Etc.
Don't like Bud, don't like Schlitz, don't like Miller.  So I likely wouldn't have liked Falstaff either.

The only macro-swill I find to be tolerable, is Coors.  I'm not saying it tastes good, I'm saying its flavor profile is such that I can actually drink it without gagging.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on September 25, 2022, 12:24:21 PM
Coors to me is like Bud Light.  There also was Stroh which was "fire brewed", which sounded like a bad idea anyway.  One bar in Athens had Schlitz Dark on tap which was quaffable.

As for "light wines", the exist of course, but most early wine drinkers go for "sweet/fruity/buttery" wines.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on September 25, 2022, 12:28:28 PM
Coors doesn't really taste much like Bud (or Bud Light).  Coors uses corn as the adjunct, while Bud uses rice.  The flavor profiles are very different.

They're similar in that they're generic American macros though, that's for sure.

I don't really understand what "light wine" means.  There are some Italian and Sicilian whites, and some rose' wines, that I guess might be described that way.  But it's still not really an apt descriptor, I don't think.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on September 25, 2022, 12:30:01 PM
the banquet beer, not the silver bullet

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/fskAAOSwhE5iTyqy/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on September 25, 2022, 12:33:30 PM
Yeah the silver bullet is something else entirely.  It's just SO flavorless, there's not much to it.  I don't find it offensive at all, because what is there to be offended at?

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on September 25, 2022, 12:36:01 PM
Any Coors I've had seemed like light and lighter beer to me.  No flavor.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 08, 2022, 09:32:42 AM
I think this as the photo of the week is going to take some beating!
Hot on the heels of Canadian Beer Day, those clever beer scientists have been at it again…
Geddy, Alex and the lovely Hoptologists at Henderson Brewing co, have just announced the arrival of the next Rush beer - 'Signals’, a classic Belgian blonde with Riesling must and cold pressed apples.
Seems to me, it's chemistry…


(https://i.imgur.com/uaAYM6Z.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 08, 2022, 10:52:22 AM
As far as I'm concerned, those guys can do whatever they want.  They've earned it.

Also, RIP Neil.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 08, 2022, 10:54:48 AM
I likely would not like that "beer", but sure, they can make it, fine with me.

I'm fine with Sam Adams.  I;ve never had a beer I considered to be exceptionally better, or even a lot better.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 08, 2022, 11:10:11 AM
posted for @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 08, 2022, 11:35:34 AM
Thank you.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 09, 2022, 10:01:03 AM
Some of Sam Adams seasonals are good.  Their Winter Lager and Old Fezziweg Ale are excellent, IMO.

Their flagship/mainstays are unremarkable.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 09, 2022, 03:34:05 PM
I suppose I'm not all that adventurous when it comes to beer.  I don't want "remarkable" personally.  I don't want "flavors" added, a good beer is fine with me, it can be an IPA if it's balanced (one could say they have flavors added of course).  A nice well balanced ale or lager works for me.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on October 09, 2022, 06:47:12 PM
I suppose I'm not all that adventurous when it comes to beer.  I don't want "remarkable" personally.  I don't want "flavors" added, a good beer is fine with me, it can be an IPA if it's balanced (one could say they have flavors added of course).  A nice well balanced ale or lager works for me.
That's about where I am on beer.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 09, 2022, 08:16:28 PM
I suppose I'm not all that adventurous when it comes to beer.  I don't want "remarkable" personally.  I don't want "flavors" added, a good beer is fine with me, it can be an IPA if it's balanced (one could say they have flavors added of course).  A nice well balanced ale or lager works for me.
Not sure why you'd equate "remarkable" with "flavors added" that's an odd attempted connection to draw.

I consider a nice St. Emilion Bordeaux to be "remarkable" and there's nothing "added."  I consider a top notch Czech Pilz to be remarkable and there's nothing "added."

Remarkable is a word I use for something tasty and worthy of being remarked upon.  That's a very simple basic and obvious definition.

Unremarkable translates to something that is not interesting, not special, not memorable, and not worthy of being remarked upon.

Didn't think any of that required further explanation but apparently it did...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 10, 2022, 07:15:51 AM
Actually, the best wines I've ever had were "unremarkable" in that it was difficult to remark about them, other than that they were VERY good.  I think the same of beer.  I don't want a remarkable level of THIS flavor or THAT, no fruit, just balance.  A great beverage has balance, in my view, which is unremarkable, to me.

I don't sip a great wine and go on about how it tastes of cherries, or wood, or asparagus, it's just great, and beyond that unremarkable.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2022, 09:03:35 AM
ok
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 10, 2022, 09:27:39 AM
A thing I always "teach against" in my wine classes is getting too "technical" about tasting.  The "Sideways" movie is a case in point, for me.  (I enjoy the movie.)  When one starts trying to peel apart how a wine tastes, I think one loses enjoyment in simply trying to impress others.

The same is true, for me, with beer, I don't desire something with Reisling must and hard pressed apples.  Maybe it's good, it could be.  I favor simplicity and simply liking a wine (if I do) or beer.  Some of the California wine makers got too extreme, for me, in several ways, and lost the essentials, I think, some of the French, a few fortunately, are following suit.

I had a zinfandel last night that was pretty good, not overly done, I stopped drinking them for years.  Maybe it's time to go back.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2022, 09:35:42 AM
So anyway your leap from me saying "remarkable" to some weird assumption about "adding flavors" was odd, and incorrect.

But I don't really feel the need to explain further what I mean when I say "remarkable" so I'll leave it at that.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 10, 2022, 09:37:32 AM
Adding fruit to beer to me is an example of trying to make it remarkable.  

"Worthy of a remark" of some sort, as opposed to just making a good, balanced, normal beer.



Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2022, 09:43:05 AM
I'm not using your definition of "remarkable" because I'm not talking about adding anything to beer.

However, the best beer-making countries in the world have been adding fruit to beer for at least a thousand years, so I don't think of that as anything unusual. 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 10, 2022, 09:54:25 AM
Fine with me, I don't care for those kinds of beers.  I don't care for wheat beer either, or overly hopped IPAs.

I do think it's fun to try excesses at times as experiments.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2022, 10:00:43 AM
I'll certainly agree that there are some modern beer styles that are excessive and represent "trying too hard."  Brutally over-hopped West Coast IPAs are one example.  Overly alcohol-y strong beers and barley wines, created solely to one-up each other, are another.  There's a point where it just stops tasting good.

But the Belgians aren't trying to make some big splash with a framboise lambic that includes raspberries and wild yeast, it's simply a recipe that's been made at their abbey or monastery for a thousand years.  Take it or leave it, but they're not "adding something" to beer that hasn't been added millions of times before.

And the Bavarians aren't trying to be overly impressive with a hefeweien, wheat is just the grain they chose to make their beer, about 600 years ago, because it was plentiful and readily available. I personally like a good hefeweizen a great deal, but it certainly has a flavor that is distinct from a pilsner or mild lager.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 10, 2022, 10:09:07 AM
I don't care how long it's been done, at all.  It matters not to me.

It reminds me of the origins of Champagne, they made crappy wine there until they figured out making bubbles in it masked the flavor of their crappy wine.  Champagne has been around a long time also, my wife loves it, I don't.  And I have all the three expensive ones.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2022, 10:28:47 AM
You might not care that it's been that way for a thousand years, but the point is that it's not "adding something" to beer.  It's all just beer.  It's been that way for as long as "beer" has existed in Europe.  Nothing has been added that is not an acknowledged and accepted part of "beer."

Taking your argument you could say that beermakers are "adding something" when they include hops.  While that might be technically true, it's not considered beer, without the hops.  And adding TOO much hops results in crappy-tasting American IPAs, but not adding any hops would be just as bad.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 10, 2022, 10:32:46 AM
anything beyond the 4 basic ingredients of beer "could be" considered adding something

anything made with one of those 4 missing could be considered - not beer

you know... like adding beans to chili 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2022, 10:35:49 AM
anything beyond the 4 basic ingredients of beer "could be" considered adding something

anything made with one of those 4 missing could be considered - not beer

you know... like adding beans to chili
Not really.

Even the Germans don't follow the Reinheintsgebot and they invented that definition.

Many types of lambic beer require-- by definition-- the inclusion of fruit.  

There are no 4 ingredients to beer.  Never have been.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 10, 2022, 10:41:16 AM
Well, I like basic kinds, mostly ales and lagers ...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 10, 2022, 10:45:17 AM
Many types of lambic beer require-- by definition-- the inclusion of fruit. 

fruit that they added to perfectly good be the produce a specific type

utee likes to argue about beer
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2022, 11:08:45 AM
fruit that they added to perfectly good be the produce a specific type

utee likes to argue about beer
It's a subject I know and love.

And the Flemish monasteries were making beer-- without and without fruit-- centuries before the proto-Germans ever imagined such a thing.  Your narrow view of what beer should be, is shaped by the tedious rules and regulations established by the Germans in order to illegalize the products of other beer-producing regions that were much older and better at it.

So you're literally taking the beer-nazi view of things.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2022, 11:21:41 AM
Well, I like basic kinds, mostly ales and lagers ...
Well we can certainly agree on that!

And I'll go a little further, and say that I mostly prefer lagers in the summer, and ales in the winter, although there are a few exceptions either way.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 10, 2022, 11:49:46 AM
I don't like Belgian beers at all, not a single one I've had ever.  I don't consider them real beer obviously.  This new fangled trendy stuff is not for me.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2022, 12:08:50 PM
Ha!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 10, 2022, 08:36:21 PM
blatant pot stirring isn't nearly as effective
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 12, 2022, 12:13:22 PM
https://youtu.be/s6NXkH9Wcp8
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 12, 2022, 12:31:59 PM
https://youtu.be/IOhxnZSf1Fs
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on October 13, 2022, 10:51:10 AM
anything beyond the 4 basic ingredients of beer "could be" considered adding something

anything made with one of those 4 missing could be considered - not beer

you know... like adding beans to chili
Shut your whore mouth

 I don't care for wheat beer either
You too

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on October 13, 2022, 11:00:29 AM
It's a subject I know and love.

And the Flemish monasteries were making beer-- without and without fruit-- centuries before the proto-Germans ever imagined such a thing.  Your narrow view of what beer should be, is shaped by the tedious rules and regulations established by the Germans in order to illegalize the products of other beer-producing regions that were much older and better at it.

So you're literally taking the beer-nazi view of things.
Stick to smokin' your meat or sipping Tito's,next time I'll just send fearless to do my easy work

But while beer's popularity waned in the Middle East, it was gaining ground in northern Europe. People there somehow figured out brewing (perhaps via another soggy-bread epiphany) by at least 800 B.C., based on beer residues in a Celtic amphora (http://www.germanbeerinstitute.com/beginners.html) found in modern Bavaria. Dornbusch says the Romans were the first (http://beeradvocate.com/articles/668) to invent the modern brewing process—involving malting and mashing—based on the ruins of a 179 A.D. brewery discovered in a Roman settlement near what is now Regensburg, Germany.

Not a fruit sippin' Belgian or Texican amongst them
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 13, 2022, 11:28:26 AM

Germans-- Cheating and ripping off other people's ideas since 179 AD.

Why do you think Germany's most-consumed beer is called pilsner?


Are there any towns in Germany named Pilsner, or Pilsn, or Pilzn, or Plzen?

Or, is that town actually somewhere else?  Hint-- this is not a map of Germany.

(https://i.imgur.com/E4NGDsf.png)








Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 13, 2022, 11:31:23 AM
Also, Germans have added fruit to beer for centuries, so even if you want to try to hang your hat on that one, well....
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on October 13, 2022, 11:49:42 AM
Pilsner's were made in the early 1800s hardly new.And it was actually a lighter version of lager which started where? You bloviating Bohemian. And the Germans just started making Helles Lager in response - it was a competive market before Bud/Miller,Molsons/Labatt.And it doesn't change the fact the Belgians weren't brewing first.So much for "fruits" of your research :D.Oh and New Mexico has much better chili than Texas
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 13, 2022, 12:00:04 PM
Pilsner's were made in the early 1800s hardly new.And it was actually a lighter version of lager which started where? You bloviating Bohemian. And the Germans just started making Helles Lager in response - it was a competive market before Bud/Miller,Molsons/Labatt.And it doesn't change the fact the Belgians weren't brewing first.So much for "fruits" of your research :D.Oh and New Mexico has much better chili than Texas

Well now you're just trying to be mean.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 13, 2022, 12:02:28 PM
Simple Facts:

Belgian beer >> Czech beer >> German beer.


The End.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on October 13, 2022, 12:10:19 PM
You are wrong~Whatever~OLE' ;D
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 13, 2022, 12:30:46 PM
(I actually love them all.  It'd be a pretty sad world without ANY of them)

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on October 13, 2022, 12:33:48 PM
If you forward me 1 case of Live Oak,Drew said he will forgive your abuse of bandwidth - it's the least I can do.Hook 'em
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 13, 2022, 05:01:30 PM
Sure... sure... it's in the mail.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 20, 2022, 08:15:42 AM
We had lunch with our guests at the botanical garden and they charged $7 for a CAN of Classic City Lager (which is OK beer, but a six pack in the store is $8).
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 20, 2022, 08:22:10 AM
Beer/wine/liquor markups at restaurants are crazy.  Food margins are very thin, so that's typically where they make it up.  This is nothing new but it has definitely escalated in recent years.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 20, 2022, 08:27:08 AM
Indeed, I was in the biz, slightly a while back.  Wine prices in France are very reasonable.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 20, 2022, 08:51:26 AM
Indeed, I was in the biz, slightly a while back.  Wine prices in France are very reasonable.
Yes they are.  They seem to view it as a table necessity that should be available to all regardless of means.  Gotta love the French... :)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 20, 2022, 09:00:09 AM
For the three months I was living/working in Nantes, I ate quite a few meals at the hotel, especially on weekdays because often I was too tired to go out and find a restaurant.  After the first few weeks, the regular bartender Philippe, started inviting me to eat with the hotel staff.  They always ate early (7 or so) in the main dining room, before any guests would come down to eat.  So a couple of times per week, I'd eat with them.  And because they were comp meals for the staff, served family style, Philippe never charged me.  He claimed he had no way to do it, no code for it, but I think he just didn't want to bother. 

But what I COULD do, what he COULD charge me for, was wine.  So I always ordered a few bottles of whatever the staff told me they wanted that day.  And even their best wines were priced reasonably enough that I could buy several bottles and still be within my corporate per diem meal limits.  They started to really look forward to the days I'd eat with them, and I did, too. :)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 20, 2022, 09:29:47 AM
It didn't hurt that the waitresses and front desk staff girls were all super-cute.  I especially liked the young, sultry blonde Veronique. 

(I was only 23 so I wasn't creeping, she was at least 20 or 21 herself)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 20, 2022, 10:04:04 AM
For the three months I was living/working in Nantes, I ate quite a few meals at the hotel, especially on weekdays because often I was too tired to go out and find a restaurant.  After the first few weeks, the regular bartender Philippe, started inviting me to eat with the hotel staff.  They always ate early (7 or so) in the main dining room, before any guests would come down to eat.  So a couple of times per week, I'd eat with them.  And because they were comp meals for the staff, served family style, Philippe never charged me.  He claimed he had no way to do it, no code for it, but I think he just didn't want to bother.

But what I COULD do, what he COULD charge me for, was wine.  So I always ordered a few bottles of whatever the staff told me they wanted that day.  And even their best wines were priced reasonably enough that I could buy several bottles and still be within my corporate per diem meal limits.  They started to really look forward to the days I'd eat with them, and I did, too. 

I love it when employers put you in situations that practically beg you to find ways to indulge yourself.  

I never got food/beer, but for a while in College Station I subleased my cousin's apartment, which was some sort of student-rate complex and super cheap compared to our standard comp rate for hotel/RV-accommodation.  I thought hey, I'll save the client money and they'll be happy.  The next time I turned in my billing the crew chief called me in his office and said I could not bill that way.  He made me get a receipt book and handwrite my own receipts for the standard rate to turn in.  I said that was way more money than I was paying, he said then put the difference in your pocket and shut up.  It was about an extra $500 per month.  Best of all, it was mostly during summer months when the apartment roommates had all moved out and I had the place all to myself.  I got paid $500/mo to stay in a nice furnished apartment.  

That, and the Aggie girls who seemed to be starved for a male with some testosterone, and.....well, I forget exactly what it is that I don't like about Aggies so much, and the town they come from.  

I was also just out of college, and if it was considered creeping.....lol don't care.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 20, 2022, 10:09:24 AM
Not in College Station, but when I worked down in the valley I would meet with a lot of landowners who would offer to let me fish their property while I was there.  Nice way to kill some time when you're stuck in the butt end of nowhere.  Some of them ran some wild game leases and offered to let me hunt on them.  Lot of what would be considered exotic game for a south Louisiana guy like me.  I'm not a hunter, but if I were it probably would've been a fun time.  Some of the guys I worked with did take them up on those offers and had a blast.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 20, 2022, 10:10:53 AM
A coworker told me when he traveled, he'd go to Kroger and get a salad or whatever for dinner, and a nice bottle of wine.  We had a per diem of $25 per meal, which was an IRS thing back then, and pretty generous in most locales.  You could get a loaded salad easily for $5.

Above $25, we had to show a receipt, which was not a big thing.

I did that a few times.  Would love to have that situation above in France some time.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 20, 2022, 05:08:45 PM
Yeah I rarely eat breakfast so was always able to concentrate my per diem toward lunch and dinner.

And at most of the European fabs I worked at, lunch was paid for by the company, even for suppliers/vendors like I was.  So in France, and Belgium, and Sicily, and the NEtherlands, I could basically spend my entire per diem on dinner.  It was a nice perk.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 20, 2022, 09:45:05 PM
It didn't hurt that the waitresses and front desk staff girls were all super-cute.  I especially liked the young, sultry blonde Veronique.

(I was only 23 so I wasn't creeping, she was at least 20 or 21 herself)

I'm not aware that creeping or being creepy has an age component
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 27, 2022, 11:29:47 AM
https://twitter.com/LiveOakBrewing/status/1585291353717620737
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 27, 2022, 11:30:34 AM
Every year's version is a little different, last year's was fantastic.  Looks like I'm headed to the brewery tomorrow to check it out...

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 27, 2022, 11:32:13 AM
I'd check it
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 27, 2022, 11:33:33 AM
Chocolate .... beer?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 27, 2022, 11:36:22 AM
Chocolate .... beer?
No chocolate is actually added to the beer.  It's the roasted malt that develops some chocolatey notes.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 27, 2022, 01:40:40 PM
No, chocolate is actually added to the beer.
Ha.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 27, 2022, 01:45:59 PM
I don't mind a mild hint of chocolate, but not too much in my beer
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 27, 2022, 02:05:58 PM
I don't mind a mild hint of chocolate, but not too much in my beer
You might not even taste it as chocolate, it might bring something else entirely to mind, for you.  But that's a pretty common descriptor that is used when talking about dark beers, due to the heavy roasting of the malt.   Stouts, porters, dark Czech lagers, schwarzbiers-- all of them are often described as having hints of chocolate notes.

It's not unlike wines when they are described as charcoal or cigar box or toasty-- it's an attempt to describe the subtle, complex flavors that are coming through as a result of the tannins, or the oak barrels, or whatever else has imparted flavor to the wine.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 27, 2022, 02:15:57 PM
agreed, but some beers do taste of chocolate to me

if it's very faint I can like and enjoy them
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 27, 2022, 02:20:56 PM
Well some breweries actually do add chocolate to the beer.  I think Sam Adams among others has done this on a couple of their winter seasonals over the years.

I don't tend to enjoy those, either.

But beers with heavily roasted malts that turn out as something described as "hint of chocolate notes" or whatever, tend to be very subtle.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 27, 2022, 02:59:06 PM
It's not unlike wines when they are described as charcoal or cigar box or toasty-- it's an attempt to describe the subtle, complex flavors that are coming through as a result of the tannins, or the oak barrels, or whatever else has imparted flavor to the wine.
One actual used wine descriptor is "cat pee", really, usually with sauvignon blanc.


11 Of The Weirdest Wine Aromas | VinePair (https://vinepair.com/wine-blog/11-weirdest-wine-aromas/#:~:text=Cat's Pee,you often come in contact.)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 27, 2022, 03:08:47 PM
well, that's a deal killer for me
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 27, 2022, 03:11:46 PM
One actual used wine descriptor is "cat pee", really, usually with sauvignon blanc.


11 Of The Weirdest Wine Aromas | VinePair (https://vinepair.com/wine-blog/11-weirdest-wine-aromas/#:~:text=Cat's Pee,you often come in contact.)
Some of the ones for Scotch are just as weird.  "Band-aid" and "dirty sweat socks" are not uncommon descriptors, especially for the Islay whiskys.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 27, 2022, 03:15:00 PM
I think "tasters" often struggle for some unique term to describe what they can't.  But I do get chocolaty in dark beer.  

Most mass beers taste like cat pee to me, and I've never tasted cat pee.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 27, 2022, 04:47:28 PM
Yuengling Beer

Lager Country Is Expanding 🦅🍻
Surprise — we're adding three more states to Lager Country! Can't wait to #BringTheGoods to Missouri, Oklahoma and Kansas!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on October 27, 2022, 10:01:01 PM
I have liked nearly every dark beer I've tasted. But, at most, that's about a dozen different beers.

I would apply the "dirty sweat sox" description (with the addition of "nicely aged") to green-bottle Heineken.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 28, 2022, 09:35:24 AM
Ugh, Good Lord above save us from green-bottle beer.

Sounds to me like you should try more dark beers.  They're among my favorites.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 28, 2022, 10:16:18 AM
I've found pleasure in green bottles

I don't even mind a Heineken from time to time
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 28, 2022, 10:26:25 AM
Wine can be "corky" or "corked", depending on who is saying it, which means the cork was contaminated with a specific chemical compound (TCA) that makes it smell and taste awful in varying degrees.  This is why you taste a wine at a restaurant first.  Don't smell the cork though, look at it to make sure the bottle isn't counterfeit and there is no bleed through.  Crystals of tartrate may be on it if it's an aged bottle, which can be OK.

I have my wife taste the wine, she's better at it than I am.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 28, 2022, 10:39:46 AM
I'll taste the wine

I can always spit it back in the glass if it's undesirable 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on November 02, 2022, 08:36:09 PM
I have liked nearly every dark beer I've tasted. But, at most, that's about a dozen different beers.

I would apply the "dirty sweat sox" description (with the addition of "nicely aged") to green-bottle Heineken.
I was reading one of the books about the 101st in Holland(Netherlands).A couple of the GIs took a German machine gun nest on top of a 4-5 story building.The Gerries in turn started dropping mortars on them and collapsing the roof as it caved in the GIs were saved about 15 ft down.It was stacked cases of Heineken,they were most happy in more ways than one.And the Gerries must have thought they were dead as they didn't return
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 11, 2023, 09:50:20 AM
Even though Ireland is the birthplace of Guinness beer, Britain is the number one consumer of the beverage, Nigeria is second, and Ireland is third. An estimated 40% of all Guinness beer is sold in Africa

I had a few last night
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 11, 2023, 10:12:43 AM
Guinness is pretty great-- for a Light Beer.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 11, 2023, 10:16:55 AM
yes, paired well with a big meal with a beef rib
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 13, 2023, 09:40:18 PM
Charleston’s Recovery Room Reaches No. 1 for PBR Sales Around the World

For the ninth year in a row, the King Street dive bar sells more PBR cans than any other establishment

For the ninth year in a row, Charleston dive Recovery Room (685 King Street) has sold more Pabst Blue Ribbon 12-ouncers than any other establishment on Earth. Owner Chris “Boston” DiMattia confirmed to Eater Carolinas that Rec Room is the highest seller of cans of PBR for the 2022 calendar year with 5,482 cases. That’s a whopping 131,568 beers.

The announcement on Facebook credited the bar’s “awesome patrons” for their help in drinking all those PBRs. The Rec Room also encourages customers to keep coming in and ordering the low-priced brew, so it can nab the title next year. At happy hour, cans are only $1.50, which helps keep up demand.

In 2013, City Paper published an extensive article on why/how DiMattia goes through so much PBR, including his take on the brew:

“This is beer. It is what it is,” DiMattia says. “They’re not gonna give you an ad with a bunch of hot chicks dancing on a beach. You’re not gonna get laid drinking this beer, but you’re gonna get drunk ... you know, if you have about 15 of them.”

Congrats, Charleston — you once again chug a ridiculous amount of cheap, hipster beer cans — keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on January 14, 2023, 01:01:43 AM
I went to the OU @ K-State game in 1977. In Aggieville, PBRs were going for $.25 a glass and $.75 a pitcher.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 14, 2023, 12:29:50 PM
PBR is possibly the grossest beer on the planet.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 14, 2023, 12:45:01 PM
PBR was the only option on tap in my small town bar back in the 80s

25 cent draws during happy hour - happy hour ended I would go to Budweiser

I'll drink it if there aren't better options
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on January 14, 2023, 12:47:08 PM
I haven't had a PBR in decades, but to me it's just cheap, bland swill. Inoffensive. Cheap, in every meaning of the term.

OTOH, expensive green-bottle premium-beer Heineken stinks and tastes as bad as it smells.

And, yes, I know about how much better Heineken is out of the can, or on draft, or anything that doesn't have it in green bottles. But they still sell it in green bottles--at premium prices--as far as I know.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 14, 2023, 01:14:02 PM
I'll drink Heineken and PBR in the same sitting

but, I'm not a beer snob
I'm a beer drinker
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on January 14, 2023, 01:46:48 PM
I'll drink Heineken and PBR in the same sitting

but, I'm not a beer snob
I'm a beer drinker
reminds me when Id ask my dad which beer he liked hed say the one thats on sale that week
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 14, 2023, 02:55:44 PM
yup, I'm in Sioux Falls on business

the bar next to the Marriott has a Happy hour special until 5pm - $4 tall draws of domestic

unfortunately, the only domestics on tap are light beers - Coors light, Miller Lite, Bud Light, and Busch Light

I had Bud Light until 5

a 20 oz frosted mug was a helluva bargain 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 17, 2023, 03:16:38 PM
If those are my only options then I'll drink Coors Light, since it has the least flavor and therefore the least offensive flavor, of them all.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 17, 2023, 11:19:06 PM
I was gonna have a Coors light, but the Bud distributer was sitting a couple stools down
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 18, 2023, 09:36:49 AM
I'm looking forward to a nice, tall, cold Live Oak Pilz as soon as this infernal dry January is over...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2023, 09:49:59 AM
summer beer in Feb?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 18, 2023, 09:52:36 AM
Yeah it'll probably be in the 90s by then.  It was 80 yesterday,
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on January 19, 2023, 07:05:50 AM
T'was like a child wandering lost in the web wilderness during this off season and have stumbled into this bastion of  enlightenment & grainy goodness, greetings brethren
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on January 19, 2023, 07:31:27 AM
Guinness is pretty great-- for a Light Beer.
Last March/April obviously after St Pat's Day we stopped at the local sports Bar that for the longest time had 2 dollar drafts. We use to procure Guinness at this price(felt like theft) any way they quit buying it in Kegs a while back because of the the price jump and the younger crowd doesn't seem to enjoy a good Draught as much.Well as luck would have it last spring they ordered quite a few kegs for ST, Paddy's Day and we reaped the windfall - at 2 Bucks :singing: .Couldn't believe it like ugly on a Steelers fan we were all over it .Was prolly myself and our small assembly that finished their reserve during the basketball tournament. I asked the lord if he could kindly arrange some kind of time warp for a few forlorn souls
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on January 19, 2023, 07:45:13 AM
I was gonna have a Coors light, but the Bud distributer was sitting a couple stools down
Ha back in the day(mid 90s) when Miller was still decent there were a couple of us Miller swillers surrounded by Bud guys. Anyway same-same Miller just unloaded their truck and was at the bar finishing paper work and bought us a couple
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on January 19, 2023, 08:00:37 AM
reminds me when Id ask my dad which beer he liked hed say the one thats on sale that week
My dad use to buy kegs when my brothers and I were young and he had it in the cellar. With the washer/dryer,workshop,weights and furnace - none of those fancy-shmancy rec rooms like today. When I was in JR High after football me and some buddies would sometimes empty the contents if the folks weren't around. Of Course dad always suspected my one older brother and his friends .Well the ruse only lasted for so long until  my brother threatened to stomp the snot out of me if I kept it up as he was catching some grief. Years later after the fridge died he'd buy find the cheapest sale in the county and stock up. Genessee was great on tap "Our One Brewery Makes It Best".
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 19, 2023, 06:32:09 PM
Last March/April obviously after St Pat's Day we stopped at the local sports Bar that for the longest time had 2 dollar drafts. We use to procure Guinness at this price(felt like theft) any way they quit buying it in Kegs a while back because of the the price jump and the younger crowd doesn't seem to enjoy a good Draught as much.Well as luck would have it last spring they ordered quite a few kegs for ST, Paddy's Day and we reaped the windfall - at 2 Bucks :singing: .Couldn't believe it like ugly on a Steelers fan we were all over it .Was prolly myself and our small assembly that finished their reserve during the basketball tournament. I asked the lord if he could kindly arrange some kind of time warp for a few forlorn souls
Pints of Guinness at $2 is a crazy steal.  Not sure I've seen prices like that around here since the late 90s.  MAYBE early 2000s, but it's been close to 20 years anyway.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on January 24, 2023, 10:50:15 AM
The clubhouse for the Braves spring training facility has a fridge next door with Bud Light and Mic Ultra.  The latter tastes, well, awful, to me.  I sat around with the guys quaffing the BL for a while.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 24, 2023, 10:58:10 AM
They both taste bad IMO  But Mich Ultra is so light that it has less flavor, which is actually a good thing, because less bad flavor, is better than more bad flavor, every single time.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 25, 2023, 09:59:33 AM
I know it's not really beer, but it's almost beer and it was "free"
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 10, 2023, 12:38:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/SS0nguL.png)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on February 24, 2023, 03:54:14 PM
The post also stated: "Heineken launched no less than 61 new products on the #Russian market last year after promising to stop investing there because of the war in #Ukraine."

Heineken in March 2022 had vowed to pull its business from Russia after the country invaded Ukraine. But an investigative report from Netherlands-based website Follow the Money states that the company's reports showed its Russian arm "launched 61 new products 'in record time' and sold 720,000 hectoliters more beer and soft drinks."

Heineken was quick to respond to the controversy in a formal statement: "We’re working hard to transfer our business to a viable buyer in very challenging circumstances and we expect at a significant financial loss to the company, amounting to around €300M.

"In the meantime, our local colleagues at Heineken Russia are doing what they can to keep the business going, after fully delisting the Heineken® brand, to avoid nationalisation and ensure their livelihoods are not at risk."


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Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 24, 2023, 05:15:56 PM
oh boy
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on February 24, 2023, 11:11:23 PM
Вонючее пиво
Pronounced Vonyucheye pivo
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 24, 2023, 11:15:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lYsLUJE.png)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 26, 2023, 02:46:07 PM
Increasing bouts of extreme heat waves and drought will hurt production of barley, a key beer ingredient, in the future. Losses of barley yield can be as much as 17 percent, an international group of researchers estimated.

That means beer prices on average would double, even adjusting for inflation, according to the study in Monday’s journal Nature Plants . In countries like Ireland, where cost of a brew is already high, prices could triple.

https://apnews.com/3f7f6cab367a489fb41d728f8a69f63b (https://apnews.com/3f7f6cab367a489fb41d728f8a69f63b)

4.5 years later, and beer prices have indeed come close to doubling, near as I can tell.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on February 26, 2023, 03:18:07 PM
a case of Budweiser is probably $5 more than 2018, but it hasn't doubled

I can buy 24 at the local grocery for $20 if I wait for a sale

back in about 2000 I could buy them for $10.

It's doubled, but it took about 20 years
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 26, 2023, 03:25:10 PM
I'm talking about actual good beer, not Budweiser.

Craft beer was going for maybe $7/6-pack in 2018.  Now the same 6-pack is $11 or so.  Not quite double, but very substantial increase.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on February 26, 2023, 03:33:31 PM
evil capitalists gouging the consumer

the working class swills Busch Light in Iowa

little wonder
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on February 26, 2023, 04:37:21 PM
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Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 04, 2023, 02:31:16 PM
https://journalstar.com/entertainment/dining/the-best-german-beer-one-man-believes-is-brewed-in-lincoln/article_eda32b98-b3bc-11ed-9d29-4f4f042f1440.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_Lincoln_Journal_Star&fbclid=IwAR1C7EOoZ6HDBuNTZGEyWEMoBqdlhpnzqQNPSVBGShJDnYH4JatTPIOC65s (https://journalstar.com/entertainment/dining/the-best-german-beer-one-man-believes-is-brewed-in-lincoln/article_eda32b98-b3bc-11ed-9d29-4f4f042f1440.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_Lincoln_Journal_Star&fbclid=IwAR1C7EOoZ6HDBuNTZGEyWEMoBqdlhpnzqQNPSVBGShJDnYH4JatTPIOC65s)

"They have studied and studied and studied this German beer thing, and they are doing it right," Schmick said. "They are bringing in the right malts, they are growing the right yeasts and they’re doing it old style."

The end result is a more modern twist on German beers, a transformation of making something with a tested track record even better.


"What we wanted to do was take those old time-tested recipes but also apply what we have learned in American craft beer," Schmick said. "That’s really what we have done. I feel confident putting our pilsner up to an import pilsner, or putting our dunkel next to an import dunkel."

Schmick, who in nine years has grown Kinkaider into one of the region's best-known small-batch brands, has hopes to do likewise with his Bierhaus. The naming of the new place is good example of the merging of two cultures.

"Maisschäler" is the German word for "corn husker." The next step is showing the old world — maybe with a cryptic emoji tweet from Matt Rhule — the difference between futbol and football.

Last Saturday, Bierhaus Maisschäler had its coming-out party when it shut down Eighth Street in the Haymarket for its first-ever Bockfest, which is to winter what Octoberfest is to the fall.

The beer flowed freely, the polka bands played into the night and when patrons got hungry, they didn't hesitate to order a sausage, one of just two food items — the other is a ginormous soft pretzel — on the menu.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2023, 04:27:46 PM
I used to see a 12er of Sammies for $16 and last I saw one it was $17.  I'm happy with Sammies.  Costco gets these weird number counts like 30 so you can't readily assess the value.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 21, 2023, 10:17:53 AM
BRUSSELS (AP) — The guardians of Champagne will let no one take the name of the bubbly beverage in vain, not even a U.S. beer behemoth.

For years, Miller High Life has used the “Champagne of Beers” slogan. This week, that appropriation became impossible to swallow.

At the request of the trade body defending the interests of houses and growers of the northeastern French sparkling wine, Belgian customs crushed more than 2,000 cans of Miller High Life advertised as such.

The Comité Champagne asked for the destruction of a shipment of 2,352 cans on the grounds that the century-old motto used by the American brewery infringes the protected designation of origin “Champagne.”

The consignment was intercepted in the Belgian port of Antwerp in early February, a spokesperson at the Belgian Customs Administration said on Friday, and was destined for Germany.

Molson Coors Beverage Co., which owns the Miller High Life brand, does not currently export it to the EU, and Belgian customs declined to say who had ordered the beers.


The buyer in Germany “was informed and did not contest the decision,” the trade organization said in a statement.

Frederick Miller, a German immigrant to the US, founded the Miller Brewing Company in the 1850s. Miller High Life, its oldest brand, was launched as its flagship in 1903.

According to the Milwaukee-based brand’s website, the company started to use the “Champagne of Bottle Beers” nickname three years later. It was shortened to “The Champagne of Beers” in 1969. The beer has also been available in champagne-style 750-milliliter bottles during festive seasons.

“With its elegant, clear-glass bottle and crisp taste, Miller High Life has proudly worn the nickname ‘The Champagne of Beers’ for almost 120 years,” Molson Coors Beverage Co. said in a statement to The Associated Press.

No matter how popular the slogan is in the United States, it is incompatible with European Union rules which make clear that goods infringing a protected designation of origin can be treated as counterfeit.

The 27-nation bloc has a system of protected geographical designations created to guarantee the true origin and quality of artisanal food, wine and spirits, and protect them from imitation. That market is worth nearly 75 billion euros ($87 billion) annually — half of it in wines, according to a 2020 study by the EU’s executive arm.


Charles Goemaere, the managing director of the Comité Champagne, said the destruction of the beers “confirms the importance that the European Union attaches to designations of origin and rewards the determination of the Champagne producers to protect their designation.”

Molson Coors Beverage Co. said it “respects local restrictions” around the word Champagne.

“But we remain proud of Miller High Life, its nickname and its Milwaukee, Wisconsin provenance,” the company said. “We invite our friends in Europe to the U.S. any time to toast the High Life together.”

Belgian customs said the destruction of the cans was paid for by the Comité Champagne. According to their joint statement, it was carried out “with the utmost respect for environmental concerns by ensuring that the entire batch, both contents and container, was recycled in an environmentally responsible manner.”
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on April 21, 2023, 12:44:03 PM
All's well that ends well, as long as it was recycled in an environmentally responsible manner.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 21, 2023, 02:54:41 PM
I've been known to recycle “The Champagne of Beers”
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on April 21, 2023, 08:13:37 PM
It recycles as well as any other beer. So it's got that going for it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 21, 2023, 08:38:28 PM
if it doesn't say light or lite, I might drink it
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2023, 12:09:36 PM
What is Champagne Cognac? - Cognac.com (https://cognac.com/what-is-champagne-cognac/)

Heh.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2023, 12:10:39 PM
11 Things You Should Know About Korbel California Champagne | VinePair (https://vinepair.com/articles/korbel-california-champagne-guide/#:~:text=So%2C why does Korbel call,it will eventually be served.)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2023, 12:30:57 PM
I can drink a High Life when I must.  Or a Coors Banquet.

Budweiser?  Never.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2023, 12:43:50 PM
I can't tell much difference between them.  I drink them as cold as possible if I must drink them.  PBR the same.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2023, 12:45:53 PM
That's odd.  They all taste very different, just like wines.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 23, 2023, 07:02:10 PM
I can drink a High Life when I must.  Or a Coors Banquet.

Budweiser?  Never.
those three aren't much different
I think you might be jaded 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2023, 10:09:39 PM
those three aren't much different
I think you might be jaded

They're really really quite different.  Even macroswill tastes differerent.

Miller Products have a distinct woody flavor, Coors products have an almost grapey flavor, and Bud... well, it tastes like it's supposed to-- rice.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 26, 2023, 05:33:32 AM
I really don't have a great palate when it comes to taste, which is handy at times.  I probably could discern a slight difference tasting these blind and maybe I could name them, maybe not.  They basically are the same to me.  At baseball fantasy camp, they have a tub of beer in the cubhouse, actually in a fridge, and the choices are Bud Light and Mic Ultra.  I'd never had the latter so I tried it once, and poured it out.  It made Bud  Light taste like Guiness.

I was drinking back when Coors was something special in the east, except to me it wasn't.  Meh.

One restaurant downtown Athens just off campus had Schlitz Dark which I thought was pretty good at the time.  We could find some German like beers in stores but rarely bought them.  I remember drinking Red White and Blue a fair bit.  I probably killed my taste buds.

Miller, Schlitz, Bud, PBR, Stroh, whatever, all just beer to me.  Not very good beer.  Cincinnati had "Little Kings" which were tolerable for a bit.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 26, 2023, 08:46:16 AM
I think macroswill are mostly all bad beer, but I can certainly discern the differences between them.

I've never had enough of Schlitz, PBR, Stroh's, Old style, Hamm's, or whatever else to be able to identify them by flavor, but I can definitely identify the 3 major American macro flagships and their light versions in a blind taste test.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 26, 2023, 09:00:01 AM
 I remember drinking Red White and Blue a fair bit.  I probably killed my taste buds.

Dead
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 26, 2023, 10:19:38 AM
I guess I'm saying they have so little flavor there isn't much to distinguish them, for me, perhaps some very slight differences.  I think I could tell them from carbonated water though.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 26, 2023, 10:23:16 AM
Red, White, & Blue was terrible in my memory
along with "plain label" beer

but, that was 40 years ago
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 26, 2023, 10:25:57 AM
I think it was the cheaper version of Pabst.  I really didn't like beer much back then.  I fell into a habit of drinking with a buddy in Friday nights around the dorm.  We bought whatever was cheapest.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 26, 2023, 10:30:34 AM
might have been Old Milwaukee 
I don't mind a PBR
it was the cheapest
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 26, 2023, 10:32:14 AM
Red White & Blue Beer was a brand of American beer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_beer), originally produced by the Pabst Brewing Company (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pabst_Brewing_Company) and later produced by G. Heileman Brewery  (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=G._Heileman_Brewery&action=edit&redlink=1)of La Crosse, WI. Pre-Prohibition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition) advertisements lauded its "mellow" taste and drinkability. Returning after Prohibition, the brand's name alone would have been a selling point, during the patriotic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotic) American sensibilities of World War II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) and after.
The brand experienced a resurgence in the early 1980s, during the country's economic recession (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession). The Avalanche Bar & Grill, an iconic drinking establishment on the campus of Marquette University, reportedly sold more RWB per capita than any other tavern in America or abroad. Patrons often purchased it (at .50/can) for no other reason than to pour it on the floor, providing a slicker surface for 'naked beer sliding', a late night tradition made famous at The 'Lanche. A series of folksy (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/folksy), radio editorial (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editorial)-style commercials by Harmon R. Whittle (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harmon_R._Whittle&action=edit&redlink=1) poked fun at politicians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician) of the day, suggesting that Red White & Blue Beer might be a less-expensive, more effective means of promoting America abroad, than foreign aid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid) or other programs, as "an honest beer, at an honest price." In any case, sales of the brand climbed by sixty percent, after the advertisements began to air, and store displays began to carry Whittle's signature.
In latter days, the brand was notable for its low price (comparable to Hamm's Beer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamm's_Brewery) or Schaefer Beer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schaefer_Beer)) and thus its popularity among drinkers on a budget (including college students and low-income persons). Other drinkers spurned the brand, however, giving the beer low ratings and unfavorable comparisons.
Neither Pabst.com (http://www.pabst.com/) nor MillerBrewing.com (https://web.archive.org/web/20060527114140/http://www.millerbrewing.com/) (Miller has taken over most of Pabst's brewing operations) include the brand on their current rosters, and Red White & Blue Beer is presumed to be out of production. However, a September 16, 2010, article in Business Week ("Keeping Pabst Blue Ribbon Cool") mentioned that the young owners of Pabst are also planning on reviving other "dead" brands they have the rights to, including Red White & Blue Beer. The article features owners Evan and Daren Metropoulos planning their revival of the brand via a patriotic appeal that directly contributes to military charities.




Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 26, 2023, 10:52:14 AM
well, shoot
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 26, 2023, 10:55:47 AM
I've mentioned that my wife likes lighter beers, pilsners etc., no hops to speak of.  She likes Sweetwater 420 which for me also is not at all bad, it has some flavor.  It's way better than Bud, to me, though it is light.

They have an excellent beer garden at their brewery just 2-3 miles north of us.  We enjoy it on nice days at times, they must have 30 different beers on tap, and very decent bar food.

When they finish the Beltline up that way, I'd be able to walk there though it's a bit of a hoof.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 26, 2023, 01:44:21 PM
True pilsners have a ton of flavor.  They should have a generous amount of hops, the difference is that unlike American West Coast IPAs, they are also balanced with a strong malt backbone.

Amercian light lagers that are supposed to represent pilsners, are actually a far cry from the style.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on April 26, 2023, 04:44:15 PM
One restaurant downtown Athens just off campus had Schlitz Dark which I thought was pretty good at the time. . . .
There was a Pizza restaurant in Norman that had Schlitz Dark. I too thought that it was pretty good.
Certainly better than stinky Heineken. (I know, the green bottles.)
When Foster's ("Australian for 'Beer'") became available, it was a popular choice.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 26, 2023, 04:55:21 PM
popular cause of the bigger can in some cases

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 26, 2023, 05:10:12 PM
420 Extra Pale Ale - SweetWater Brewing Company (https://www.sweetwaterbrew.com/brews/420-extra-pale-ale/)

They don't call it a pils.  I like it well enough, I prefer Sam Adams.  They used to sell and ale I really liked.

39 IBUs.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 26, 2023, 06:31:13 PM
420 Extra Pale Ale - SweetWater Brewing Company (https://www.sweetwaterbrew.com/brews/420-extra-pale-ale/)

They don't call it a pils.  I like it well enough, I prefer Sam Adams.  They used to sell and ale I really liked.

39 IBUs.

Well, yeah, because a pils is a lager and an ale is an... ale.  Do those yeasts prefer top or bottom, yo?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 26, 2023, 09:40:57 PM
39 IBUs is plenty for me unless the Alcohol content is up over 5%

the higher the ALC the higher the IBU balances

well, for me anyway
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2023, 08:41:52 AM
420 is 5.7% ABV, so over your limit.  I like it pretty well on a hotter day sharing one with my wife.  If I let her, she'll open Champagne at the drop of a derby.  Sometimes when I don't.  

When it comes to beer, I only like ales and lagers.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on April 27, 2023, 09:47:25 AM
420 is 5.7% ABV, so over your limit.  I like it pretty well on a hotter day sharing one with my wife.  If I let her, she'll open Champagne at the drop of a derby.  Sometimes when I don't. 

When it comes to beer, I only like ales and lagers.


I don't have quite that cachet, so I keep a lineup of Prosecco in the fridge. I guess I've reached the "ladies of a certain age" stage. They'll drink it mixed with any fruit juice I have on-hand.

I make a "French 75" that seems to go over well. I need to rip out a cabinet, build some overhead hangers, and acquire the appropriate glassware to make it classy!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2023, 09:51:29 AM
I managed to get my wife "hooked" on the Costco Prosecco that is $8 a bottle here.  It's "not bad", I'll have a glass with her at times.  We buy it by the case but last time we were there they were flat out.  They had the rose' version which she doesn't like as much.

The Kirkland Champagne is $20 here, and it's in the "OK" range.  I'm not a huge fan of sparklers.  Champagne is basically bad wine with bubbles to make it taste OK, to me.  There are a few still Champagnes but I've never seen one.  It probably tastes like a cheap Chablis.

Champagne usually is made with up to three main grape varietals, two of which seem to surprise folks when I do a wine tasting.

It's also the name of two grape varietals used in Cognac ...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2023, 09:53:46 AM
I limit the IBUs not the ABV%

my experience is if the ABV is around 5%, I limit the IBUs to 30

but, if the ABV is say 8-10%, then I can handle 40-50 IBU
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on April 27, 2023, 10:41:57 AM
I limit the IBUs not the ABV%

my experience is if the ABV is around 5%, I limit the IBUs to 30

but, if the ABV is say 8-10%, then I can handle 40-50 IBU
O-I-C
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2023, 10:52:15 AM
important things I've learned at the bar
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 27, 2023, 11:01:18 AM
You can take verbal and visual cues, as well.

If it's called a "West Coast IPA" then you can immediately dismiss it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2023, 11:11:55 AM
yup, but I really appreciate the menus with ABV and IBU ratings

I do try some IPAs I would otherwise shun.  and do enjoy a few.

yet to find a sour that I enjoy
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 27, 2023, 11:17:53 AM
I tend to like "New England IPAs" aka "Juicy IPAs."  They're really not the same style of beer at all.

I like sours but nobody was ever supposed to drink more than one in a sitting.  They're European styles that were designed for sipping over a long period of time.

But like most things, Americans discovered them and decided "nothing exceeds like excess."  Our versions are more sour, and people drink them like session beers.

Americans are so uncouth.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2023, 11:29:47 AM
especially Yankees
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2023, 11:39:38 AM
I like most beverages that are balanced and clean, but as noted, Americans often think if some is good more is better.

Look at the "hp wars" among truck mfgrs.  The zinfandel era is another example, not to mention chardonnay.  One interesting thing about the Sweetwater brewery is that they have on tap their experimental offerings you can sample.  Some of them are intentionally bizarre, some are actually interesting bordering on quite good.  The other nice thing is that across the street is a Fox Bros kiosk thing with picnic tables.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on April 27, 2023, 02:28:53 PM
420 Extra Pale Ale - SweetWater Brewing Company (https://www.sweetwaterbrew.com/brews/420-extra-pale-ale/)

They don't call it a pils.  I like it well enough, I prefer Sam Adams.  They used to sell and ale I really liked.

39 IBUs.
I thought that Sam's Boston Ale was much, much better than the Boston Lager.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2023, 02:31:19 PM
I thought that Sam's Boston Ale was much, much better than the Boston Lager.
I liked it better, some better, I'd buy it again if they sold it.  I worked with a lot of smelly organosulfure compounds back in the day, think skunk plus.  My smeller is probably toasted.  I got a minor whiff of one and immediately threw up it was so bad.  It's apparently nontoxic and could make a handy crowd control agent.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 27, 2023, 02:33:22 PM
I prefer the Lager from Sam most of the time
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 27, 2023, 02:50:19 PM
I thought that Sam's Boston Ale was much, much better than the Boston Lager.

Me too.  I rarely say this, but the flagship Boston Lager is actually TOO malty.

The Boston Ale was pretty clean for an ale, and had great balance.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 27, 2023, 02:52:47 PM
Fat Tire from New Belgium Brewing has the same problem.  It's just too malty.

I like a lot of their other beers, but their flagship Fat Tire was a little too much.

Of course I heard they changed the recipe at the end of last year.  Some folks are up in arms over it, but maybe I'll give it a try and like it better now.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 30, 2023, 10:25:52 AM
(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/344142732_1385114858935231_2887025243139044283_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ZOmCnrtRIP8AX8W5FY5&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=00_AfD8nUads7wdN5jkBZHNsxtm6IV0I_LyCC1dcwUP_1u-2Q&oe=6452BD11)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 01, 2023, 06:21:18 PM
I know a couple of Bud Light drinkers and a couple of Miller Lite drinkers.

But I can honestly say I don't know ANYONE that would ever be "expecting Busch Light."


Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 02, 2023, 07:52:29 AM
Welcome to Iowa 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 02, 2023, 07:59:51 AM
My ex father in law would drink at least a case of Old Mil Light every night sitting in a chair watching TV.  Then he'd shoot some tequila shots (which I never liked) on a whim.

He also smoked and was over weight.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 02, 2023, 08:02:14 AM
Unfortunately not as uncommon as it should be 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 15, 2023, 06:10:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9puRtx3.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 15, 2023, 06:39:11 PM
I like ales and lagers.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 15, 2023, 06:52:38 PM
I like Lagers and ales

I really like Oktoberfests, Dunkels, and Bocks

and Yuengling
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on May 15, 2023, 07:10:56 PM
Per the chart, lagers are both crisper and smoother than ales. That seems to be a contradiction.

Anyone care to explain if or why I'm wrong about that?

Also, the chart seems to imply that only ales use hops. That can't be right.

I have thought that IPAs were hoppier than mere pale ales, which are already too hoppy for me. But I seem to have been wrong about that difference.

As for "Like Heineken?" Blech!!! Stop right there.

Yeah, I know about the green bottles. Who forces Heineken to use 'em?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on May 15, 2023, 07:24:41 PM
A question comes to my mind. Is there a connection between not liking highly hopped beer and not liking licorice?

I find this in Google.

NOBLE HOPS


Noble hops are mainly hops cultivated in Europe, namely Germany and Czech. This variety of hops is what most breweries use. It offers a good balance of beta and alpha acids, making the beer more flavorful.

Other than their acids, noble hops are also a good source of humulene. This aromatic essential oil will make your beer more fragrant. It offers a blend of licorice, earthy, and floral twist to your drink.

This hop variety is perfect for an aromatic blend with lower bitterness.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 15, 2023, 07:31:58 PM
Lagers are "crisper" than ales, in that they have cleaner flavors that tend to be less "muddied."  I don't know about "smooth"-- that can be a characteristic of any beer.

All beer has hops.  India Pale Ales tend to use a dry-hopping technique where additional hops are added late in the process which intensifies their flavor in the beer.  You're not wrong that IPAs tend to be hoppier than all other ales, even pale ales.  IPA stands for "India Pale Ale" and they always had additional hops to act as a preservative for the long journey from Britain to India.  By the time the beer arrived, the hoppiness should have faded and the beer should have a more normal profile.  IPAs were never intended to be consumed "fresh" and it's just an artifact of some stupid Americans that decided they wanted to blast their tongues with extreme bitterness, that this ever became a thing.  

I have no idea why Heineken chooses to use the green bottles.  On draft it's not bad but it's also not something I ever crave.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 15, 2023, 07:35:23 PM
Noble hops are great, that's what gives European beers their flavor profile.  I also like the Saaz hops that you commonly find in Czech beers.

I tend to dislike the more bitter hops that are prevalent in American brewing, the so-called "C-hops" so named, because they all start with the letter "C."

Cascade, Centennial, Chinook, Citra, and Columbus.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 15, 2023, 07:45:11 PM
I prefer a Heineken (even in a green bottle), over the tastelessness of a coors light or miller lite
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 15, 2023, 08:13:33 PM
Skunk.  Ewww.

If you want a really good pilsner, and you can't get Live Oak Pilz, I always recommend Bohemia.  It's a really good Mexican version of a Czech pilsner.

And it's not just "good for a Mexican beer"-- it's legitimately tasty by any standard.

Also, it comes in a brown bottle.  Smart hombres.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on May 15, 2023, 08:38:46 PM
I prefer a Heineken (even in a green bottle), over the tastelessness of a coors light or miller lite
To me, Miller Lite, going on 50 years ago anyway, had an "off" taste to it. It was not tasteless.
The Silver Bullet, yeah, tasteless. Even the advertising implies that it doesn't any of that "beer" taste to it. It's the beer for people who don't like the taste of beer. Like me at age 17, but Coors Light wasn't a thing yet. Heck, Coors was still just being regionally distributed, and there were always tales of guys who hauled pallets of Coors regular into the blighted states to the east, and sold the stuff for 5-10 times what it had cost them.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 15, 2023, 09:16:39 PM
Miller Lite is "off"

it's really bad, I won't drink it

It's about the only beer I won't drink

and Bohemia is a very good beer
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 16, 2023, 06:34:22 AM
At baseball, they "had" Bud Light and Mic Ultra.  (At night they'd have more options, this is in the clubhouse.)  I tried a Mic and poured it out.  It's water with fizz.

I think Coors was popular in college because it was Unobtainium mostly and VERY light.  

I'm still content with Sam Adams.  If it's hot and we're both sipping we'll do Sweetwater 420.  My wife prefers lighter beers, not much hops.  I had an Indian beer the other day for lunch, 1742 or somesuch, it was decent.

I prefer beer to Champagne frankly.  My wife claims to love Champagne.  I don't.

As for "smoother and crisper", they do tend to be opposites.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2023, 08:43:30 AM
In the context of beer, I'm not even sure what "smooth" means.  I suppose a beer with little carbonation might seem smoother than a beer with heavy carbonation?  Or a beer with more sugars remaining undigested might seem creamier and therefore smoother than a beer where more of the sugars have been digested by the yeast?  Or a beer with more malt character and less hop character might seem smoother since it is less bitter and likely a little sweeter?  Or is it a reference to mouth-feel?  I'm really not sure.  I consider it sort of a nothing word as it relates to beer descriptors, because it could mean so many different things, none of which are particularly related to the style of beer being brewed.  There are many ales-- especially American IPAs-- that are so bitter and biting that I don't consider them smooth at all.  And there are many lagers-- like a Czech pilsner-- that are so beautifully balanced between malt and hops, that I consider them to be extremely smooth, while also being very crisp due to the nature of a lager.

Crisp, I get.  Lagers are fermented cold with "bottom-fermenting yeasts", that process is called "lagering" hence the name "lager" for this style of beer.  Ales are fermented at warmer temps with a "top-fermenting yeast" and since you don't have to keep the wort cold while it ferments, ales are a lot more common among home-brewers, especially novice ones.  This difference in the specie of yeast results in a very different beer-making process, and a different product.

Here's an excerpt from the internet that describes "crispness" with respect to lagers:

Lager Yeast, Saccharomyces pastorianus, is a bottom fermenting yeast used for brewing lager style beers. It is physiologically distinct from the top fermenting (so called because it forms a thick foam at the top of the wort during fermentation) ale yeast S. cerevisiae in its abilities to ferment at cooler temperatures and to ferment the sugar melibiose. Lager yeast also typically ferments more of the sugars than ale yeast, leading to a crisper taste.

https://beerandbrewing.com/dictionary/3UQVYHa3Gu/
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 16, 2023, 09:00:11 AM
With wine, my term for "smooth" would be "round", I think, as opposed to crisp, especially with whites.  Cali Chardonnays figured out the American (female) palet likes roundness, which means buttery and oaky (and they of course went off the deep end with it).  A "rounder" palet to me means something that lingers.  A crisper wine has an immediate impact and then disappears.  

Aging makes a rounder flavor profile even with reds.  I think of really good wines as being those hard to describe because everything is balanced.  They aren't notable for some specific flavor easily noted.  Maybe this applies to beer, I'm not sure.  I think more malt/less hops as noted would be "smoother" (or rounder in my parlance).

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on May 16, 2023, 09:05:00 AM
I think it's funny that the chart starts with "drop the Keystone Light". If you have more than one Keystone Light, you don't care about the taste at all. You're deliberately drinking it for the alcohol (I guess).

I appreciate the chart's mention of "mouthfeel". That might be included in their use of "smooth", rather than strict flavor definition. I use that concept a lot describing wines - where the lighter, tart-er ones will skip across your lips, bounce off the tongue, and get swallowed while leaving their flavor to be experienced and disappear, and the rich reds will adhere to your palate and force you to essentially "chew" them before you can swallow. The liquid itself isn't particularly thicker. The experience just sort of works that way.

I don't drink a whole lot of beer because the beer I prefer is heavy and makes me sluggish. Frankly, there's too many other things I enjoy more than beer.
The wife likes IPAs. Those taste like broccoli to me.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 16, 2023, 09:09:05 AM
smooth obviously means different things to different folks, but probably not too much of anything

this is a smooth or creamy beer IMO

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Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 16, 2023, 09:12:10 AM
I think it's funny that the chart starts with "drop the Keystone Light". If you have more than one Keystone Light, you don't care about the taste at all. You're deliberately drinking it for the alcohol (I guess).
if you're drinkin a 4.2 light for the alcohol......... well, you could do better
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2023, 10:13:21 AM
I think more malt/less hops as noted would be "smoother" (or rounder in my parlance).


I guess maybe this is what they were going for?  But then the ale=smooth lager=crisp dichotomy doesn't really hold because there are plenty of ales that are bitter and over-hopped and I wouldn't describe as "smooth" at all.

And for me, a beautifully balanced pilsner, while being "crisp" is also "smooth."

Most beer-makers agree that pilsners are the most difficult beers to make.  In general lagers are more difficult than ales, and pilsner is the ultimate lager. They're bright and crisp and there's no place to "hide" a mistake, like you can with ales that tend to be "muddier" in their flavors.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 16, 2023, 12:34:21 PM
I hear that about making pinot noir, you can't hide mistakes with it.  Well, you can, Meomi who makes a popular brand adds in some syrah.  Otherwise, pinot is difficult to grow and to vinify.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2023, 12:44:15 PM
I hear that about making pinot noir, you can't hide mistakes with it.  Well, you can, Meomi who makes a popular brand adds in some syrah.  Otherwise, pinot is difficult to grow and to vinify.
Isn't it fairly common in making varietals, to blend in at least a little bit of another grape?  For some reason I thought the definition meant it had to be something like 95% main varietal, but up to 5% could be a blend of other grapes?

Or maybe I just made that up?

Anyway, as a Bordeaux guy, I'm obviously totally ok with blends.  But there are some varietals that I find quite tasty.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 16, 2023, 12:52:06 PM
In California, the limit is 75% if you label it a particular varietal.  And blending "depends" a lot on the varietal, pinot noir in general was almost never blended, certainly never in Burgundy.  Obviously the Bordeaux style blends often benefit from blending.  I think the concept is that pinot noir is so "delicate" it doesn't lend itself to blending (except to mask a mistake or cheap wine).  In Chablis, it has to be 100% Chardonnay, but in the rest of Burgundy it CAN include aligote (this is usually for cheaper versions).

Champagne is the exception to blending of pinot noir as it can be a blend with that and Chardonnay and pinot meunier.  Chateauneuf du Pape can include 11 different varietals, including 4 that are white.  This is a tactic one rarely sees elsewhere, I think it might work in places.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 16, 2023, 01:01:43 PM
I have a few friends that like the Meomi.

I keep a couple bottles on hand incase they visit

I can buy it for around $17/bottle on sale

it's plenty good enuff for me
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 16, 2023, 01:15:51 PM
It's not that Meomi is bad, per se, it's just pinot for folks who don't like pinot.  They hit on a popular recipe with grapes that don't have to be that good.

If I want a heavier red, I just get one, a cab blend etc. or styrah.  I bet folks who like Meomi would not care for a "real" pinot noir (in part because it might run over $50).

A type I like is nebbiolo, it can be light like a pinot and heavy and dense like a cab.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2023, 01:18:22 PM
I remember after the movie "Sideways" came out, pinot noir sales skyrocketed (while merlot sales plummeted).  There were a few California pinot noir I liked at the time, don't remember their names anymore.  These days I tend to just stick with my Euro favorites.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 16, 2023, 01:46:19 PM
Yeah, I was loading up on merlot at the time.  The hilarious inside joke in that movie is that his prized wine was Cheval Blanc, which as you likely know is a merlot based right bank blend with cab franc, which he also dissed.  He's a nice example of the classic wine pseudo-geek.

Incidentally, the character is a lot different in the book which is WAY funnier I thought.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 16, 2023, 01:48:45 PM
I bet folks who like Meomi would not care for a "real" pinot noir (in part because it might run over $50).

These are the ignorant wine heathens I hang with

they know very little about wine and certainly don't want to spend $50/bottle

but, they're smart enough to know what they enjoy at the price point
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 16, 2023, 01:59:42 PM
Yeah, this is a main point I make in my wine classes, "Drink what you like, not what you're told you should like."

The fun part was introducing folks who "only drink chardonnay" to other varietals like viognier which they never tried and find they like it, or folks who despise chardonnay and pouring Chablis for them.  You might not know what you like really without trying.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 16, 2023, 02:20:12 PM
I like a heavier Red most times because I'm eating steak

your suggestion of Malbec was a good one for me and I always enjoy it
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 16, 2023, 02:23:27 PM
Here is a crazy notion I find I like at times, try a really crisp white with steak, something like albarino or sauvignon blanc ...

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2023, 03:03:01 PM
I live in Texas, it tends to be pretty hot here, so I drink a lot of chilled pinot grigio and rose'-- even with steak and bbq!


Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 16, 2023, 03:20:44 PM
I'm a fan of crisp whites with nearly everything.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 16, 2023, 09:16:46 PM
youse f ers live in the heat
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2023, 10:34:22 PM
Word.  Indeed we do.

Good chilled crisp wine weather, not great chili weather for about 10 months per year, but somehow I'll manage.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2023, 07:09:15 AM
My wife wears a coat when it's 82°F out .... seriously.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2023, 07:25:58 AM
As for beer, I think it's a fine thing overall, much better than when I was in college.  The taste can be quite interesting, and it's "cheap" in a relative sense.  There are plenty of variants for different situations.  If I could only buy Sam Adams and Sweetwater 420, I'd be content.  

When in Cincy, I wanted some beer for the motel room and bought a 12 pack of Model;o Dark which was "OK", sort of, the store had NO SA at all.  Thought I'd try it.  I stopped at a Shell station that looked like it would have a decent selection, they had an entire cold room with beer, but nothing all that good.

My daughter is coming next week for a conference here and staying with us, we'll probably go up to Sweetwater if the weather is nice.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 17, 2023, 09:36:42 AM
As for beer, I think it's a fine thing overall
I mean, that's a good thing, seeing as you're posting on the BEER thread and all...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2023, 10:13:57 AM
Mixed drinks around here start at $10 and go UP.  Beer ranges from $6 to $12 out, some happy hours are $3.  A glass of wine is $8 maybe to whatever.  Or I can pick up a 12 pack of good beer and bring it home for maybe $18.  We have a rooftop deck (common area) that is nice when it's not blazing hot, and it's semiprivate.  Works for us.

I do like wine with meals though.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 17, 2023, 10:16:21 AM
I can still find $2 Budweisers during happy hour and $3 well drinks
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2023, 10:25:22 AM
You don't live in the middle of a large city either.  Ha.  The cheapest I know of is one Happy Hour with $3 Kirin/Sapporo.  We like their food also.

We almost never go to sports bars, there are a few around, they could have cheaper deals at times.  Their food is predictable.  I went to one last year to watch UGA play Charleston S., which was a decent idea because they had OSU-UM and some other games on as well, and $4.50 per decent beer.

I would like a French bistro nearby ...:91: although it would probably cost me a lot more.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 17, 2023, 10:36:03 AM
perhaps you should invest in the French Bistro?

you have some connections......... put down half the cash to get it started.
Get the right manager and chef...... what could go wrong?
You could be in charge of wine
come up with a decent happy hour to attract folks

How do you say, Cincydawg in French?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2023, 10:38:18 AM
"Cincy Chien" ... I just want to dine there, not run it.  My restaurant days are over. $$$$$

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 17, 2023, 10:57:37 AM
I suggested finding the right manager

you're just the partner/investor that dabbles in wine enough to annoy the manager

hell, find another investor like yerself or two or 3.

maybe you only put up a fourth?

like you said, a good business plan in Cincy is better than a poor business plan in Florida
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on May 17, 2023, 10:59:51 AM
I actually enjoy mixing drinks. It's starting to be another one of those things that I have a tough time with when I'm "out and about". Most of the time, bartenders don't do as good of a job as I can (for my own, and my family's, tastes).

I'm currently in a show based on Jimmy Buffet's "Margaritaville". Of course, machine made 'ritas are available in the lobby. I wanted to add Hurricanes. A hurricane is like a 7 step build with a whole lotta fruit juice. Rather than take 5 minutes to build each one, I blended the rums in one pot and the fruit juices in another. One ladle of the rum mix, two of the juice mix, shake, and dump into a cup!

It's my way of helping the audience suffer through my singing.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 17, 2023, 11:01:45 AM
Friends ask me all the time when I'm going to open a BBQ restaurant.

The answer is, "Never, of course."

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2023, 11:20:09 AM
3 Best French Restaurants in Atlanta, GA - ThreeBestRated (https://threebestrated.com/french-cuisine-in-atlanta-ga)

We've been to these three, once.  I guess they all serve beer maybe.  This is really depressing.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 17, 2023, 11:44:25 AM
there's an obvious need

great business plan opportunity
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2023, 11:54:55 AM
A concern is that two pretty good ones near us closed in the past year, couldn't make a go it after many years.  We can walk to TWO Persian restaurants, and zero French.  It's weird.  We finally went to "Ecco" sort of near us, we walked, and it was quite good, but Mediterrean, north African flair.  I think it's fairly popular but a bit hidden on a side street.  We tried a Vietnamese restaurant the other day and it was excellent for lunch.    I'm trying to hit the ones we have not visited (finally) in walking distance.

Dinner Menu — Atlanta French Restaurant Petite Violette (petitevioletterestaurant.com) (https://www.petitevioletterestaurant.com/dinner-menu)

This menu looks French to me.... hafta try it out, would mean driving.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 17, 2023, 01:53:18 PM
Yup that's a French menu for sure.  And the prices don't look too  bad, at least not compared to French places around here.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 17, 2023, 02:23:08 PM
put some miles on the GTI
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2023, 03:08:58 PM
It's maybe four miles from us, a pretty easy drive really sans  traffic.  My wife said the menu looks very "Americanized" to her.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on May 17, 2023, 03:33:25 PM
I wonder if French cuisine is something that a decreasing percentage of the American public enjoys. We don't get many immigrants from France. Our growing immigration is from south of the border, South/Southeast/East Asia, the Middle East, and Africa.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2023, 03:42:10 PM
I think it is, it's been subsumed in all the Asian and Hispanic fare.  Italian restaurants seem able to persist though.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 17, 2023, 03:54:41 PM
I wonder if French cuisine is something that a decreasing percentage of the American public enjoys. We don't get many immigrants from France. Our growing immigration is from south of the border, South/Southeast/East Asia, the Middle East, and Africa.

There could be something to that.

I assumed that the ever-growing foodie culture that's popular in the major urban areas, would extend to French which might be the "foodiest" of all cuisines.  But in my experience, the foodies tend more toward Asian and Asian fusion places, or anything "farm to table."  I guess those styles/methods are seen as less staid and more progressive than French food.  Or something.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on May 17, 2023, 10:27:23 PM
I think it is, it's been subsumed in all the Asian and Hispanic fare.  Italian restaurants seem able to persist though.
Maybe this is just my perception, but Italian food seems like it works for the wealthy and the working class and everything in between. French food--perhaps wrongly, perhaps from the stereotypical image of French waiters--seems much more elitist. I don't think I've ever been in a French restaurant, and I doubt that I have had any "French" dish that hasn't been thoroughly Americanized, like when crepes were a big thing 30-40 years ago. I only know of one French restaurant in Tulsa (I'm sure that there are several more but I don't know about them), but I can list half a dozen or more Italian restaurants off the top of my head. And that's not counting the pizza restaurants.
I suspect that I am more typical of the American taste in restaurants than you gourmands are.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 18, 2023, 05:48:29 AM
I think that true, but I'm really looking for a French bistro, they don't typically get that expensive, they offer basic fare done really well.  It's not the snooty white tablecloth kind of place.  We tried Ani's here a while back, were disappointed, I guess it was OK.  My wife doesn't want to go back.

We took a train somewhere in France a while back and she suggested we get a sandwich at the train station.  I was horrified really, but she thought it best before boarding.  It was one of the best sandwiches I've ever had.  They do bread really well there.  I thought it would be akin to day old sushi at a Shell station here.

Utee knows how you can get a great meal at a bistro in France for not that much.  They are very casual, and very good (out of touristy areas).  We have nothing like that here, maybe a few places have them.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 18, 2023, 08:34:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/2AxehHE.png)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 18, 2023, 08:42:13 AM
My Dad would let me have a sip of his Budweiser when I was ~10 (my Mom hated that).  Being used to sugary drinks, I of course thought beer was horrible.  I never thought I'd drink it, ever, but of course that changed.  I had my first pizza when I was 16, I went out with my sister and her BF to a pizza place, I thought pepperoni pizza was way too spicy.  I started liking beer in college because I had to, everyone else did, and it went pretty well with pepperoni pizza, which I also started to like.  (We had very bland food when I was growing up.)

I discovered Schlitz Dark at a place just off campus where I'd eat lunch and it went down pretty well too.  Then I fell into drinking with a dorm friend Friday nights, usually whatever 12 pack was cheapest, RW&B usually.  I tried to like wine, because it seemed to be a cool hip sophisticated thing to do, but it didn't taste good.

I recall in grad school I'd buy a bottle of Lancer's Vin Rose' in case I had a date I wanted to impress, I learned that cooking dinner for a date was a good idea.  That Lancers was high end stuff for me.  Mostly by that time I'd drink beer, we had a group who went to one bar every Thursday night for drinking, usually a Bid Light kind of thing.

My wine story is pretty typical, going through the various stages of liking wine.  I fell in with a couple folks who really knew wine and got interested, and then met more folks, and went to a wine tasting every Friday which really expanded my world of wine.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 18, 2023, 10:44:28 AM
I didn't really drink wine until I started traveling for work, after graduating from college.  3 months in France was my first big overseas trip, and my hotel bartender/sommeliere introduced me to all of his favorite wines, paired with his favorite foods, and I was absolutely smitten.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on May 18, 2023, 10:54:26 AM
My Dad would let me have a sip of his Budweiser when I was ~10 (my Mom hated that).  Being used to sugary drinks, I of course thought beer was horrible.  I never thought I'd drink it, ever, but of course that changed.  I had my first pizza when I was 16, I went out with my sister and her BF to a pizza place, I thought pepperoni pizza was way too spicy.  I started liking beer in college because I had to, everyone else did, and it went pretty well with pepperoni pizza, which I also started to like.  (We had very bland food when I was growing up.)

I discovered Schlitz Dark at a place just off campus where I'd eat lunch and it went down pretty well too.  Then I fell into drinking with a dorm friend Friday nights, usually whatever 12 pack was cheapest, RW&B usually.  I tried to like wine, because it seemed to be a cool hip sophisticated thing to do, but it didn't taste good.

I recall in grad school I'd buy a bottle of Lancer's Vin Rose' in case I had a date I wanted to impress, I learned that cooking dinner for a date was a good idea.  That Lancers was high end stuff for me.  Mostly by that time I'd drink beer, we had a group who went to one bar every Thursday night for drinking, usually a Bid Light kind of thing.

My wine story is pretty typical, going through the various stages of liking wine.  I fell in with a couple folks who really knew wine and got interested, and then met more folks, and went to a wine tasting every Friday which really expanded my world of wine.
Schlitz Dark was the first dark beer I ever had too. It was served at a pizza parlor about a mile off-campus in Norman. I thought it was really good. Maybe it was just good with pizza.
The waitress who was usually there was a fat but sexy Italian girl. She ended up getting murdered by her boyfriend. The pizza joint became something else long, long ago. But I can't drive by that site without thinking of that young lady.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 18, 2023, 11:00:58 AM
I had no alcohol Monday and Tuesday, and last night I opened a Sweetwater 420 that hit the spot.  I'm pretty sure I got into wine and beer to "join the cool kids" more than the taste of it, initially.  Maybe we all did.  

I do my best now to really limit sugar, from what I've read the fructose is not good for us (and I know the HFCS stuff has about the same amount of fructose as table sugar).

I have not been so good at limiting alcohol consumption.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 18, 2023, 11:19:22 AM
I guess beer developed in colder climes where grapes for wine wouldn't grow well, right?  The mythology about wine is that it started in Georgia (the country), or thereabouts.  Beer seems more northern to me, German etc.  

The Norse named NA "Vinland" because of all the grapes they found (or so it is said).  Those are a different breed of grapes, not vinifera, and the wine made from them is what is known as "foxy" (not in a good way, like ladies).

Beer back in the day probably wasn't all that good, but it beat water.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 18, 2023, 11:50:49 AM
I think the oldest evidence of beer on Earth was in Egypt, thousands of years back.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 18, 2023, 12:02:20 PM
I did not know that, interesting.

Where Did Beer Originate From? | Brews Cruise (https://www.brewscruise.com/blog/where-did-beer-originate-from/#:~:text=The first solid proof of,the patron goddess of brewing.)

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 18, 2023, 02:20:11 PM
Heck, even older than Egypt.  There you have it.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 18, 2023, 03:36:01 PM
I was surprised to learn the addition of hops is relatively recent.  Maybe that was added as a preservative and became a flavor component?

The History of Hops - Dogfish Head Alehouse (dogfishalehouse.com) (https://dogfishalehouse.com/the-history-of-hops/)

As any IPA fan will tell you, hops are an essential ingredient in modern-day beer. Hops – the female flowers of the female flower of the humulus lupulus plant – give beer distinctive aromas and hints of bitterness, and they also act as a natural preservative. It’s hard to imagine your favorite brew without hops. But did you know that hops are a relatively recent addition to the beer-making process?

Beer is thousands of years old – maybe up to 9,000 years – but the first known instance of brewing with hops didn’t happen until the Middle Ages. In 822 AD, the abbot of a Benedictine monastery in Picardy, France wrote down a list of rules for running the abbey – and it included collecting wild hops for making beer.

Beer Before Hops
So how was beer made before hops were added to the recipe?
Ancient brewers used a mixture of herbs (such as sweet gale, yarrow or mugwort) called gruit to give beer flavor and bitterness. Some herbs included in gruit also had preservative qualities to keep beer fresh.


The Rise & Rise of Hops
From the 11th century to the 16th century, gruit was slowly phased out as brewers started using hops more commonly to make beer. And by 1516, hops were literally the law in Bavaria: that’s when Duke Wilhelm IV wrote the Bavarian Beer Purity Law, stating that brewers in his realm only use three ingredients in beer: barley, water and hops.
In the United States, hop production was booming in New York in the 1800s, then it gradually started moving west. Today, Washington, Oregon and Idaho are major hop producers.

The Value of Hops
Hops are an important ingredient for modern-day beer because they:
• Clarify the wort during the beer-making process
• Help the beer retain a good head
• Add aroma and flavor, balancing the sweetness of the malt with bitterness
• Act as a preservative, preventing beer from spoiling during shipping and storage
Let’s raise a glass to the mighty hop!


Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 18, 2023, 03:52:56 PM
Hops.pdf (aperfectpint.net) (https://www.aperfectpint.net/Hops.pdf)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 18, 2023, 04:34:23 PM
I was surprised to learn the addition of hops is relatively recent.  Maybe that was added as a preservative and became a flavor component?
Yes that's exactly what happened.

They mention some herbs that previously held that position: mugwort, yarrow, and sweet gale.  They don't mention another that was very common-- wormwood-- which is actually toxic and was ultimately outlawed in the production of beer (and absinthe).
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 18, 2023, 04:35:58 PM
Yeah, wormwood contains a compound called thujone which is psychically active, and then some.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on May 19, 2023, 12:05:43 PM
Pretty cool, we're actually discussing the topic.  I hope that isn't against the RULES ...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on May 19, 2023, 12:26:51 PM
Speaking of, planning on going out to the Live Oak Brewery tomorrow.  Hooray, Beer!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on May 25, 2023, 03:27:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/c3JR2Bc.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 08, 2023, 11:13:06 AM
A Coming of Age Tale
Hear us out: Beer is important. Beer is so important, in fact, it may have been the reason our hunter-gatherer ancestors settled down and invented civilization in the first place. Many archaeologists think the earliest farmers may have settled down primarily so they could grow grain and ferment it into beer, even before anybody got around to inventing bread.


In modern times, beer remains important enough that the United States government officially keeps track of its cost: the Consumer Price Index, maintained by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, has recorded the cost of “beer, ale and other malt beverages at home” every year since the early 1950s. Here's how beer prices have changed over recent American history and how much a six-pack cost the year you turned 21, alongside some notable beer-related happenings.

All inflation adjustments are from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics CPI Inflation Calculator, comparing prices in January of a given year to prices in March 2023.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/how-much-a-six-pack-of-beer-cost-the-year-you-turned-21/ss-AA1cilrY?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=a97629666dbd4590855c8fac8ddde058&ei=116#image=7 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/how-much-a-six-pack-of-beer-cost-the-year-you-turned-21/ss-AA1cilrY?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=a97629666dbd4590855c8fac8ddde058&ei=116#image=7)

I turned 21 in 1983.
A great season for Husker football

1983: $4.04 for a 6-pack - adjusted for inflation today ($12.47)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 08, 2023, 11:14:09 AM
1970s: Beer Happenings

People have brewed beer at home for thousands of years, but the United States made the practice illegal during Prohibition and it stayed illegal until 1978, when then-president Jimmy Carter signed a bill legalizing the home production of beer or wine for personal use.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 08, 2023, 12:39:01 PM
One story about the Pilgrims on the Mayflower is that they had to make land because they had run out of beer.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 08, 2023, 01:14:43 PM
I've changed my opinion of Jimmy Carter.
He's not the worst president ever

although, I'm sure he was selfishly just helping his brother Billy with beer sales

https://youtu.be/zxJE01FYAek
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 08, 2023, 04:06:28 PM
I like beer and I'm glad Jimmy changed the rules.

Although honestly, the amount of truly awful homebrew my homebrewing friends have forced me to consume, almost makes me want to reverse my opinion on that... :)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 08, 2023, 04:19:13 PM
I wonder if the different legal environment for beer after 1978 encouraged the growth of microbreweries in addition to home-brewing.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 08, 2023, 04:21:25 PM
I wonder if the different legal environment for beer after 1978 encouraged the growth of microbreweries in addition to home-brewing.
Absolutely.  The origin stories of many of the original American microbreweries start with home-brewing clubs and coops and such.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on June 08, 2023, 04:49:02 PM
Like a lot of hobbies, I've had countless friends invest in all the funky stuff you need to home-brew. As Utee referenced, they usually end up spending $250 to ferment some sour water in barely carbonated trash. Most get distracted and move on to another hobby once they realize that vast amounts of cheap beer isn't in their immediate future.

I do have a few friends that stuck with it, kept a book on their successes and failures, realized the importance of going slow, CLEANING ALL YOUR GEAR, and studying others advice, and they eventually created a living drink that could be enjoyed.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 08, 2023, 05:11:52 PM
1990s: Beer Prices
In 1991 the federal government doubled the tax rate on beer, leading to a steep and noticeable price increase from the previous year.


1990: $4.96 (equivalent to $11.75 today)

1991: $5.56 ($12.47)

1992: $5.77 ($12.61)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 08, 2023, 05:13:00 PM
I blame George H. W. Bush
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 08, 2023, 05:22:10 PM
2010s: Beer Prices
Although beer prices in absolute dollars were higher than ever before, in real, inflation-adjusted terms beer was the cheapest it's ever been. In 2018, the National Library of Medicine and National Institutes of Health published a paper investigating “an international analysis of the price and affordability of beer,” concluding that “the increased affordability over time of beer in most countries raises concerns about public health.”


2010: $8.07 (equivalent to $11.24 today)

2011: $8.19 ($11.23)

2012: $8.34 ($11.11)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 08, 2023, 05:23:37 PM
Like a lot of hobbies, I've had countless friends invest in all the funky stuff you need to home-brew. As Utee referenced, they usually end up spending $250 to ferment some sour water in barely carbonated trash. Most get distracted and move on to another hobby once they realize that vast amounts of cheap beer isn't in their immediate future.
2010s: Beer Happenings

In 2011, Barack Obama became the first president to brew his own beer in the White House, using honey from the White House gardens to produce White House Honey Brown Ale. The following year, he released the recipe to the public.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 09, 2023, 09:13:44 AM
Like a lot of hobbies, I've had countless friends invest in all the funky stuff you need to home-brew. As Utee referenced, they usually end up spending $250 to ferment some sour water in barely carbonated trash. Most get distracted and move on to another hobby once they realize that vast amounts of cheap beer isn't in their immediate future.

I do have a few friends that stuck with it, kept a book on their successes and failures, realized the importance of going slow, CLEANING ALL YOUR GEAR, and studying others advice, and they eventually created a living drink that could be enjoyed.
Yeah my friend Bald Greg-- who I ran the tailgate with for all those years-- actually got pretty good at it after a few years of not-so-great results.  But once we became friends with Chip at Live Oak and got free high-quality beer any time we wanted it, he pretty much stopped brewing and hit the Easy button.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 09, 2023, 05:36:02 PM
If you are traveling somewhere, say the beach a long way from home, and want a 12 pack of beer, what are you buying, presuming you're at a 7/11 or grocery store, not some special beer place?

I'd go for Sam Adams for me, my wife like Corona at the beach, I'd get her some, or 420 if they had that.  (I like 420 better than Corona by a lot.)

But presume whatever you drink that is local is not available.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 10, 2023, 12:40:35 AM
I went to a function of my esposita's 50th HS reunion party tonight and had a bottled Dos Equis from the bar.

It was fine. A nice summer beer.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 11, 2023, 09:56:21 PM
If you are traveling somewhere, say the beach a long way from home, and want a 12 pack of beer, what are you buying, presuming you're at a 7/11 or grocery store, not some special beer place?

I'd go for Sam Adams for me, my wife like Corona at the beach, I'd get her some, or 420 if they had that.  (I like 420 better than Corona by a lot.)

But presume whatever you drink that is local is not available.
depends on my mood and where I'm at and the weather(environment if inside)

on the beach, probably something lighter than Sam Adams, but not if it's cool
Budweiser is my regular
I'd also check what might be on sale
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on June 12, 2023, 09:02:50 AM
Just based on what you said, probably Pacifico. Texas gets stupid hot, and the air is thick enough to chew on. Under those conditions, I'll probably bring the fixins for ranchwater rather than beer, but if I gotta bring beer, it's Pacifico.

Pacifico is nothing special. Dos XX comes in the big old mini-keg, and is about the same. I can drink either on a hot day without slowing down much.

Now if we're on the beach and getting food, let me know. I'll bring a couple of half-gallon canning jars of gullywash.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 12, 2023, 09:11:12 AM
Certainly a good point about weather/location considerations.  It seems some here would migrate to a lighter beer, which of course I would do as well on the beach etc.

I don't really like Corona much, but it's fun to sit on a deck overlooking the ocean with the wife musing about life with a couple cold ones.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 12, 2023, 09:48:25 AM
I had a couple of Shiner Bocks Saturday night--the 2nd/final night of my esposita's 50th HS reunion.

I don't think I had had any before. They were fine.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 12, 2023, 12:28:47 PM
Shiner Bock used to be delicious, but when they sold out in the mid 90s the new owners cheapened everything.  Now it just tastes like corn to me.

I like Pacifico a lot better than Dos Equis.  My favorite Mexican beer by far is Bohemia, because it's a legitimately good example of a Czech pilsner over here on our side of the pond.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 12, 2023, 04:59:38 PM
I had to pick from what was available. The alternatives were American macro-swill and probable IPAs. Both venues were more into mixed drinks than beer.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 12, 2023, 06:03:02 PM
Yeah I still drink a Shiner Bock from time to time, it's just sad 'cause it's not nearly as good as it used to be.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 13, 2023, 08:02:26 AM
I think I mentioned at baseball camp, they had only Bud Light or Mic Ultra.  I tried the latter, it made the former taste like real beer.

This was in the club house, at the evening events they usually had something better.

I wonder if they will shift from BL given the controversy.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 13, 2023, 08:09:10 AM
I've seen some reports that Modelo has taken over the best selling beer from bud light, but that seems odd to me.

not many Modelos sold around here
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 13, 2023, 11:25:44 PM
Wow, that is shocking to me.  I see plenty of Modelo around here of course, but there's also lots of Bud Light.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bud-light-sales-modelo-especial-top-selling/

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 13, 2023, 11:32:30 PM
well, Busch light is the most popular here so who knows?

Fords are popular but I won't be driving one

same as Hondas or Toyotas
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 13, 2023, 11:33:31 PM
Bama might be the most popular football team

or Georgia

that's not my vibe
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 13, 2023, 11:42:21 PM
I've owned models from all three major American car manufacturers, can't say I've noticed much difference in quality or reliability.  People are tribal by nature and love to argue about shit I guess.

Our Honda, on the other hand, was significantly more reliable than all of the American manufacturer models.  Best car I've ever owned by a wide margin, I wish we'd never sold it.

And our Toyota was significantly worse.  So much so that I'd never own, or even rent, a Toyota-- that piece of shit left us stranded more times than I can count.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 14, 2023, 12:33:28 AM
I was just pointing out that, the most popular by the masses isn't anything to be proud of

kinda like bud light

or Walmart

or McDonalds
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 14, 2023, 06:57:49 AM
From what I can tell, most cars today are highly reliable.  You can get a clunker from anyone.  You might buy Honda that has problems and a Toyota that runs for half a million miles, or vice versa.  Our GTI never had anything go wrong, so far, except two tires that got nails or something.

It's really a Porsche of course ...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on June 14, 2023, 10:55:39 AM
From what I can tell, most cars today are highly reliable.  You can get a clunker from anyone.  You might buy Honda that has problems and a Toyota that runs for half a million miles, or vice versa.  Our GTI never had anything go wrong, so far, except two tires that got nails or something.

It's really a Porsche of course ...
just what kind of beer did that Porsche drink
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 14, 2023, 10:59:10 AM
Our Honda was highly reliable.

Our cars from the American big three have been "reliable enough" and certainly much better than the quality/reliability of the 70s and 80s.

The Toyota was a demon-possessed piece of shit from Hell.  There's only so many times a car can leave you stranded due to phantom intermittent electrical issues, before you'll curse its entire existence.  As an experienced electrical engineer I have no doubt it was some kind of grounding issue.  But after numerous trips to the dealer, to the Japanese import specialist, time spent online and on the phone with Toyota Customer Service, and still it was never fixed-- all I can say is, never again, Toyota.

Many various users on the online forums had the exact same issue with this model, all citing the same failure mode, and yet Toyota reps always threw up their hands in surprise and acted like they'd never seen anything like it.

Never, Again, Toyota.  Eff you.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 14, 2023, 11:05:54 AM
From what I can tell, most cars today are highly reliable.  You can get a clunker from anyone.  You might buy Honda that has problems and a Toyota that runs for half a million miles, or vice versa.  Our GTI never had anything go wrong, so far, except two tires that got nails or something.

It's really a Porsche of course ...
you seem to be harder on tires than average Joe
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 14, 2023, 11:07:22 AM
My French friend bought an Audi Q5 and had incredible problems with it, a couple years  back, mostly electrical.  He got rid of is for a DS7 Citroen.  It's seems like a nice ride, I've never driven it.



Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 14, 2023, 11:09:42 AM
you seem to be harder on tires than average Joe
A tire picked up a nail somewhere too close to the sidewall.  Then my wife hit something that tore the tire up, complete flat.  I actually changed the tire for the spare.  The car now has about 31 K miles on it, the tires look decent still.  Sometimes the unlock feature doesn't unlock and I have to use the key fob, oh misery.

My step son drove us back from Orlando with it once, he has a heavy foot, we were going over 100 much of the way.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 14, 2023, 11:20:04 AM
I don't have a very high opinion of the reliability of most German cars.  I've had friends with lots of problems with both Audis and Volkswagens.  During the 12 years I had my Chevy Tahoe, Bald Greg went through about three or four Passats, major problems with all of them, and yet he keeps buying them because he insists German cars are better.  I guess marketing works.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 14, 2023, 11:26:28 AM
The GTI was built in Mexico.  I think the drive train is sound, nothing exceptional to it.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 14, 2023, 06:37:20 PM
He went through two shitty Saabs before that, so maybe he actually is learning.  Just very, very, slowly.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on June 15, 2023, 09:40:49 AM
My only horror was my daughter's cursed Nissan Juke. I see plenty of them around, so they must be majority OK, but I keep running into too many Nissan specific engineering bugs - meaning curious, non-standard design decisions that weren't reliable. Most of these tend to be related to cooling systems in either/both engine or transmission.

World and US specific emission and safety standards being what they are, there's likely only a few design decisions that meet those. Because of those, body sizes, engine designs, and other basic mechanical implementations are all about equal - there's just not many ways to optimize what must legally be present for mass sales. Couple that with global sourcing of parts and further optimized assembly practices, and most mass produced passenger vehicles start to be very similar is make up and reliability.

Of course, since everything is automated, you can get gremlins when the automation doesn't quite get there. For two weeks, a robot isn't quite in spec, so a wiring harness doesn't land exactly behind the heat shield. Maybe 5% of the vehicles in that run are affected, and only 10% of those will show symptoms if they're shipped to Houston, TX, and operated in harsh environments. By that time, the problem (which wouldn't necessarily show up as a problem) was corrected at the factory. Almost impossible to chase down as to why.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 15, 2023, 12:37:10 PM
I get what you're saying but man, as an engineer if I ever designed anything, or ran a manufacturing line with anything, that was 5% out of spec, I'd probably get fired.  That's an incredibly loose tolerance.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on June 15, 2023, 04:17:24 PM
Yeah, I'm throwing that out there because most people don't have a feel for tiny (or huge) numbers. I found out from my mechanic that the rear drums on my Corolla belong to the 1/2 year of 2010 that Toyota sourced brackets from a different supplier. They work with the OEM shoes just fine, but the "premium" shoes are slightly too large to fit the drum.
It's that sort of thing that makes the vast majority of the cars work correctly in most of the situations. QC won't notice. Later, there will be just enough early or unconventional failures that the model will develop a reputation.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 15, 2023, 09:06:56 PM
I'm surprised that Toyota was using drum brakes in 2010.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on June 16, 2023, 09:01:55 AM
I'm surprised that Toyota was using drum brakes in 2010.

Disc brakes on the rear wheels add a layer of complexity owing to the need for an emergency brake. With drum brakes, it's a plain old cable that yanks the shoes against the drum when engaged. Disc brakes have to have all sorts of oddball things happening to engage the piston like cams or spiral cogs.

The rear brakes don't handle much load anyhow, especially on this bare bones Corolla. It belonged to my father, who only drove it around 40k miles before he gave up driving. It essentially sat in the garage for 10 years. My son turned 16 last year, and is working on getting his license, so I'm setting it up for him. It was "bare bones", so I added a backup camera and Android Auto console (I'd prefer he not mess with the cell phone at all in the car, but that's unrealistic) for navigation and "hands free" purposes.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 16, 2023, 10:03:48 AM
I'm surprised that Toyota was using drum brakes in 2010.
Yup, I agree that drum brakes are just fine for a lower end vehicle.  Simpler, and not a safety issue with cars meant to be driven "normally".

My '77 Dodge minivan had drums on the back not surprisingly.  That was around the time when American car cars started going to 4W disc, I think often for marketing more than performance.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 17, 2023, 10:19:16 AM
(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/351781112_10230395083965322_956752195411398538_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=5JDBnuHFtiUAX9eYiO_&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=00_AfB9lKsNWMZbrdWCxywrZINfpEzvTa8iJnbortdFUx-pxA&oe=64924F4D)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 17, 2023, 11:03:20 AM
We were in Cincy staying in a motel 4 nights and I went out to find some beer for the room and stopped at a Shell station nearby that had a refrigerated room with beer.  No Sam Adams anywhere.  I ended up with Modelo Dark, which I hadn't had in a long time, it was "OK", my wife thought it fine.  By "OK" I mean I drank it, but I wouldn't get it again.  They had all sorts of beer, but nothing decent really, it was a bit odd, I was too lazy to find another place.

The old neighborhood has barely changed since we left five years back.  My wife commented on that.  The old Blue Ash airport is now a development which is OK.

I used to fly in and out of there at times when I was learning, I had a few pretty bounced landings as I recall before I got the hang of it.  I don't know if landing a chopper is something that requires a certain "feel", I have a notion it does, you probably get into ground effect and might flare early or something?

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 17, 2023, 11:10:58 AM
Sam Adams and Modelo Negra Dark are very good IMO
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 17, 2023, 01:53:58 PM
We were in Cincy staying in a motel 4 nights and I went out to find some beer for the room and stopped at a Shell station nearby that had a refrigerated room with beer.  No Sam Adams anywhere.  I ended up with Modelo Dark, which I hadn't had in a long time, it was "OK", my wife thought it fine.  By "OK" I mean I drank it, but I wouldn't get it again.  They had all sorts of beer, but nothing decent really, it was a bit odd, I was too lazy to find another place.

The old neighborhood has barely changed since we left five years back.  My wife commented on that.  The old Blue Ash airport is now a development which is OK.

I used to fly in and out of there at times when I was learning, I had a few pretty bounced landings as I recall before I got the hang of it.  I don't know if landing a chopper is something that requires a certain "feel", I have a notion it does, you probably get into ground effect and might flare early or something?
There's a difference in making a run-on landing and landing to a point on the ground. In the former case, you're reducing power and altitude while you maintain the desired touch-down speed. Pretty much like an airplane, I'd say. Except that there are no flaps to worry about, because with a helicopter you can maintain a steep approach angle without causing you to have a high forward airspeed. When you get into ground effect, you've got to reduce some more power and fly the bird onto the runway. In landing to a point, you essentially come to a high-forward hover while continuing to reduce power until you come to a near-stop just as you touch down. All of that is assuming that you've got sufficient power. If you're marginal on power (due to density altitude and your aircraft's weight), then you might have to use a rolling takeoff and a run-on landing. Doing a "rolling" takeoff in a helicopter with skids is a nice trick. Helicopter pilots in Vietnam had to do a lot of that.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 18, 2023, 07:24:24 AM
There is a touch in a light plane that took me a while to master.  You need the nose up (some) to avoid "wheelbarrowing".  I'd pull up too soon, and the plane would simply gain altitude, then I'd have to add power and sort of repeat the thing over again.  One day it clicked for me, somehow, and I had no issues from then.  We also had to master crosswind landings of course which could be interesting, you dip the upwind wing into the wind and maybe crab a bit.  I found if you dipped the upwind enough it worked without much crabbing.  On landing, you're going so slow even a 15 knot wind is a lot (and considered max for a light airplane).

I recall my check ride lady asked me to do a short field landing and I really stuck that one and we were done after that.  I thought I'd be out a couple hours at least, it was about 45 minutes.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 18, 2023, 12:24:45 PM
The better dark Mexican beer is called "Indio" but it's not as widely distributed in the US as Modelo.  I tend to drink a decent amount of it when I'm in-country.

(https://i.imgur.com/yAw7448.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 18, 2023, 12:30:53 PM
it's the right color
I'll keep an eye out

don't remember seeing it up here in Yankee country
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 18, 2023, 01:46:33 PM
Had some Indian beers
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 18, 2023, 01:57:54 PM
I've had a lot of Chinese and Japanese beers.  Not sure I've ever had an Indian beer.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 18, 2023, 06:23:55 PM
I've had this at an Indian restaurant 

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/7c/93/1f7c93a1736d40cd62587cac7f9ba80a.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 19, 2023, 07:33:38 AM
The two good Indian places near us feature Indian beer, I figured I'd try them.  They are decent.  This one is $9 but large.

(https://i.imgur.com/X5oBzhF.png)

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 19, 2023, 12:23:04 PM
I usually order wine, tea, or water at Indian restaurants.  I should check and see if either of my two faves have any Indian beer.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 19, 2023, 12:32:26 PM
My wife always orders a Dehli Mule, which actually is quite tasty.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 29, 2023, 08:31:10 AM
The oldest continuously operating brewery in the world is located at Weihenstephan Abbey in Bavaria, Germany. The Benedictine monks at Weihenstephan began brewing beer in 1040 AD.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 29, 2023, 10:40:09 AM
The oldest continuously operating brewery in the world is located at Weihenstephan Abbey in Bavaria, Germany. The Benedictine monks at Weihenstephan began brewing beer in 1040 AD.
Yup, them monks know beer.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 29, 2023, 04:12:51 PM
Someone was claiming beer making is really involved and complex.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 30, 2023, 09:10:59 AM
Complex monks
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 31, 2023, 08:57:40 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ycSwyV2.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 31, 2023, 10:41:14 PM
https://youtu.be/g31w1R2QZeI
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on August 01, 2023, 05:52:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMu8FmPHVCk
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 20, 2023, 09:39:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/JxuDuo6.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 21, 2023, 12:32:27 AM
I'd give that one a whirl.  One of the all time great movies.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 21, 2023, 07:30:08 AM
I usually order wine, tea, or water at Indian restaurants.  I should check and see if either of my two faves have any Indian beer.
I had two kinds, they were fine, not amazing, they had weird names, one sounded German, the other was like 1492 or somesuch.  I had three, now that I recall, one was named something like Taj Mahal.


(https://i.imgur.com/Vc14Do2.png)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on November 27, 2023, 07:07:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ycSwyV2.jpg)

Cinci,Fearless & 94
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 27, 2023, 08:13:35 PM
94 is the young one
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2023, 12:09:46 PM
I still say this is a good time to be a beer drinker.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 29, 2023, 12:24:18 PM
It's true.  The average American or even the average global citizen, has never before in history, had such great access to so many different kinds of high-quality beer.

Same thing is true for wine, though.  And all the other spirits.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 29, 2023, 12:25:07 PM
life is good

even with Joe in the white house!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 29, 2023, 12:39:14 PM
life is good

even with Joe in the white house!

In my experience it matters very little who is in the white house.  Joe's fine, the guy before him was fine aside from some mean tweets, the guy before him was fine, and so on.

Just keep them suds flowing.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2023, 12:51:13 PM
The President gets blamed, and credited, for things well outside his purview, often as not.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 29, 2023, 12:53:14 PM
In my experience it matters very little who is in the white house.  Joe's fine, the guy before him was fine aside from some mean tweets, the guy before him was fine, and so on.

Just keep them suds flowing.

Maybe for beer it matters very little.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 29, 2023, 12:54:05 PM
The President gets blamed, and credited, for things well outside his purview, often as not.


Yup
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2023, 01:19:55 PM
I'm happy with Samuel Adams lager, I do prefer their ale which seems to have gone away.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 29, 2023, 01:30:39 PM
About the only time I'll ever get Sam Adams lager is when I'm at an airport and the only other draft options are Bud/Miller/Coors.

But I do like many of their seasonal beers.  I'm working through a 6-pack of their Winter Lager that I got before last weekend.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 29, 2023, 02:29:47 PM
so, the next person in the white house isn't going to cause a beer shortage?

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 29, 2023, 02:34:16 PM
Sure hope not. If so, it's impeachment time!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2023, 02:51:43 PM
My wife favors "lighter beers", like Saporo or whatever.  She's happy with PBR.  The Sweetwater 420 is our usual at home.  I like a bit maltyish with a balance of hops.  The Great Lakes were good, but they don't have them here.

I was musing about the beers of my "youth", Stroh came out, "fire brewed", whatever that meant, it wasn't very good.  Coors was very rare so folks liked it.  I recall Heineken and St. Pauli Girl in bottles, they were pricey.  Schlitz was around, and dark Schlitz.  Red White and Bllue, cheaper PBR.

Old Mil and Busch were cheaper Bud and Miller, I think.

Rolling Rock, Hamm's, and Yuengling Little Kings showed up when I moved to Cincy.  Carling Black Label.

Beer desert, I tell ya.

Popular Beer in the 70s – A Fascinating Social History (winning-homebrew.com) (https://winning-homebrew.com/popular-beer-in-the-70s.html)





Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 29, 2023, 03:42:12 PM
I'll be using the long neck bud heavy bottles to warsh down the 60 cents wings covered in Reaper sauce at the local small town bar tonight

pairs perfectly IMHO
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on December 01, 2023, 10:19:58 AM
At baseball fantasy camp, they have had Bud Light and Mic Ultra.  I tried one of the latter.  The good news is that it made BL taste pretty decent.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2023, 01:00:56 PM
some people don't like beer

so they have Coors light and Mich Ultra for them
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on December 01, 2023, 01:19:01 PM
Hard ciders
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on December 01, 2023, 01:22:48 PM
I'm not really a cider fan.  There are times when a beer is "just the thing".  I drink more wine that beer of course.

I broke my streak of no alcohol last night, I didn't over do it.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on December 01, 2023, 02:47:43 PM
. . . I was musing about the beers of my "youth", Stroh came out, "fire brewed", whatever that meant, it wasn't very good.  Coors was very rare so folks liked it.  I recall Heineken and St. Pauli Girl in bottles, they were pricey.  Schlitz was around, and dark Schlitz.  Red White and Bllue, cheaper PBR.

Old Mil and Busch were cheaper Bud and Miller, I think. . . .
I remember Schlitz dark with great fondness.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2023, 02:49:29 PM
it was pretty good, as I recall
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on December 01, 2023, 02:55:24 PM
A pizza joint in Norman served it. I thought it was great with that sort of food.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on December 01, 2023, 03:37:13 PM
One summer quarter I had German on north campus, and then a period off.  I'd cross the street to this pub and get a corned beef sammich and a dark Schlitz.  Then I had to hoof it to south Campus, in the heat, across the bridge and up the hill to a chem lab.  I'd get in sweaty and a bit drunkish.

I went four summer quarters, I liked them a lot.  I had to do one extra quarter because I didn't have enough liberal arts courses to graduate.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2023, 05:33:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/nBchntm.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on December 03, 2023, 08:27:20 AM
Wow that is a lot of bad beer.

I do love me some RC cola, though!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on December 03, 2023, 11:16:02 AM
I don't drink soda, but if I did it would be the RC
My brother would love the Dr. Pepper
I'd definitely enjoy all the "bad" beer
the white jug could be milk or OJ for a screwdriver or tequila sunrise - OK

I'd pour the monster juice out in the pisser

Lemonade goes well with Tito's
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on December 04, 2023, 07:55:44 AM
I quit on the sodas a while back to cut down on sugar.  I used to drink a Coke about once a day.  And sweet tea.  I think the fructose in sugar is bad for us, aside from the Calories.

It's a bit odd because a lot of sugar in fruit is fructose (it's called fruit sugar).  But we don't metabolize it well.  

But I do enjoy the occasional Coke, once a month or less.  My wife loves Coke.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on December 04, 2023, 08:07:15 AM
I used to drink too much Coke

don't even drink diet coke today

don't remember the last time I had a soda
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on December 05, 2023, 01:16:23 PM
2005 on this date utee 94 gave birth to the Beer Thread,killing time between the season and the National Championship.Use to be a hell of a lot more posts,either the herd has been thinned out or ya'll turned into a bunch a teasips
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on December 05, 2023, 01:39:53 PM
I definitely don't drink as much beer as I did nearly 20 years ago, but I love it just as much now as I did then.

This weekend I had a couple of Live Oak Primus weizenbock to celebrate UT's conference championship.  Delicious.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on December 05, 2023, 02:52:32 PM
When did beer at a restaurant get so expensive?  I see $7-8 as standard, and it goes over $10.  I just drink water.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on December 05, 2023, 04:04:36 PM
when Biden took office ;)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on December 05, 2023, 05:26:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/GVzxhwV.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on December 05, 2023, 09:44:20 PM
Hooray, beer!

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on December 06, 2023, 07:49:56 AM
Kinda funny on how Day One after it ended they had all those bottles of beer handy ....
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on December 06, 2023, 09:19:25 AM
Leftover from pre-prohibition, I'm certain.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 06, 2023, 11:08:07 AM
Huey Long was probably the only person in Louisiana who could read and thus know about the prohibition law.  And I'm pretty sure Huey had no interest in complying with such federal nonsense.  He probably passed all that beer out personally from state stockpiles, hoping to gather votes for if/when he ran for bigger offices.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on December 06, 2023, 11:21:46 AM
... wth corn dogs on the side.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on December 06, 2023, 11:47:27 AM
mmmmm beer and corny dogs...

(https://i.imgur.com/aD9SdxA.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on December 06, 2023, 01:05:12 PM
Kinda funny on how Day One after it ended they had all those bottles of beer handy ....
They had been legally selling 3.2 beer from March to December 1933, and they had spent the entire Prohibition era selling soft drinks, many of which came in dark bottles back in "the day."
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on December 06, 2023, 02:19:56 PM
mmmmm beer and corny dogs...

[img width=500 height=398.993]https://i.imgur.com/aD9SdxA.jpg[/img]

looks like something that someone with those fingernails might enjoy
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on December 06, 2023, 02:51:05 PM
I guess?

The corny dog is delicious, if you like such things.

I've never had that beer.  Sounds like it would be too sweet for my taste but I don't know from experience.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on December 06, 2023, 02:57:44 PM
I'm not a fan of most things sweet, especially sweet beer

guess I'll need to try another cornydog

maybe with jalapenos and onion's in the batter
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on February 23, 2024, 02:24:16 PM
picked up a sixer of Fireside Chat a 7.9 abv Winter Ale with spices and cocoa nibs from 21st Amendment Brewery somewhere in CALI. It's a melodic jacked fermentation. The with degrees of aromas that include notes of baking spices,roasted cocoa and smoke...... no,not really (https://www.cfb51.com/Smileys/fantasticsmileys/grin.gif)  it's pretty darn good though.I know someone mentioned Garage Beer a month back so i picked some of that up. Supposedly a craft but tastes like Ultra Light Beer Seltzer. (https://www.cfb51.com/Smileys/fantasticsmileys/sad.gif)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2024, 06:38:48 PM
I'm heading to the Kinkaider Taproom
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 24, 2024, 02:05:57 PM
Ultralight craft beer is a thing now, apparently.  Not really my thing but if it keeps some drunk hipsters off the road then I'm all for it.

Heading to the Live Oak Brewery this afternoon, sunny and 77.  Fantastic winter weather!