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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: CousinFreddie on November 20, 2018, 01:19:28 PM
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From what I can gather here most of the Horn fans on this board have already decided that the game has been played, the Sooners have lost, and it will be Texas-WVU in the CCG. It's not an unreasonable prognostication, no doubt. That assumes they beat Kansas, but how can they lose to Kansas, I mean seriously that would be a set back of enormous proportions, and regardless of Pooka etc, I just don't think that's gonna happen.
Oh well. Meanwhile until the game is played we still have a chance.
Hmm, though, this game and the overall way OU has played regardless of the 1-loss record is sure something to give all Sooner faithful pause ...
The only thing I'm more worried about than the Sooners defense against the run is the Sooners defense against the pass. And, West Va is the #5 passing offense in the country. Gulp. I figure it will be a long day Saturday suffering through the slings and arrows of the Eers aerial assault, kind of like cheering for Thor as faces the Ice Queen in Ragnarok.
But on the upside, we've been there before, in the same type of game this one figures to be, and have managed to come out with wins like OU 50 WVU 49 in 2012, and then in 2016 when we were both ranked in the top 10, Oklahoma coasted to a win in Mtown.
There won't be any coasting on Saturday, and I figure if we're lucky it will be another nail biter like the Bedlam game or the TT game or well, so many this year really. Just got to stay ahead, somehow, some way.
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It's a Friday game, no?
The most exciting game of the weekend for the B12 for sure. I haven't decided on any outcomes, but I haven't really made too may predictions this year and have enjoyed the ride without expectations. I'm sad it's the last weekend of the regular season, it feels like it went by a bit too fast like usual.
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It's a Friday game, no?
Ugh, Erin, I hadn't realized that - the impending trauma is even closer than I thought!
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I would love nothing more than to see Texas beat OU twice in the same season. That would be rivalry scoreboard X2.
But honestly I just see the wvu defense making more stops than the OU defense.
OU ain't got no defense. Besides, it's 12:34 and OU still sucks.
And as far as Horns Up, Horns Down, candid remarks, etc... everybody should just lighten up. If you don't want to get taunted, be so perfect you're above reproach. If you can't, get a sense of humor.
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Well better to know now rather than find out at 11 am on Saturday!
I've been doing my best not to schedule anything to do on Friday so that I can watch all the games. Great football is much better than black friday shopping anyway.
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I like to shop online. Amazon Plus delivers within hours and drives the HOA Neighborhood Watch people CRAZY!
"There's an unfamiliar car full of boxes driving slowly through our neighborhood looking at addresses. We're under attack!"
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Well better to know now rather than find out at 11 am on Saturday!
True ... well, maybe!
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From what I can gather here most of the Horn fans on this board have already decided that the game has been played, the Sooners have lost, and it will be Texas-WVU in the CCG.
We should add this as a half-assed bonus: name the 2 teams that will meet in B12 title.
Up to Hooky.
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I like to shop online. Amazon Plus delivers within hours and drives the HOA Neighborhood Watch people CRAZY!
"There's an unfamiliar car full of boxes driving slowly through our neighborhood looking at addresses. We're under attack!"
make sure you click on the Amazon link to the right on this page next time, so we can get our favorite board some kickback!
Not sure if you knew it was there or not, but it does have a purpose & helps support this site. I've tried to come in here to do my amazon searching to help the cause as well.
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We should add this as a half-assed bonus: name the 2 teams that will meet in B12 title.
Up to Hooky.
Nice idea, but I’ve already tempted the ecfg’s enough as it is ...
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I think it's going to be a super-close game, lots of offense, high-scoring, and either team could win.
Overall I do agree with Slick that I think the WVU defense will get just one or two more stops, and that will decide the game, but it's not like I'd be surprised with a Sooner victory.
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Toss up. I think one game comparison scores against common opponents can be fool’s gold but if you get enough of them I think they can tell a story. In eight conference games OU has a scoring margin of +123 and WVU’s is +115. So Oklahoma has been one point better per game than WVU in the Big 12.
Can WVU make up one point at home? I think they can. Will they? Can’t wait to find out. I’ll be a homer and say they do. 45-44 Mountaineers.
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Toss up. I think one game comparison scores against common opponents can be fool’s gold but if you get enough of them I think they can tell a story. In eight conference games OU has a scoring margin of +123 and WVU’s is +115. So Oklahoma has been one point better per game than WVU in the Big 12.
Can WVU make up one point at home? I think they can. Will they? Can’t wait to find out. I’ll be a homer and say they do. 45-44 Mountaineers.
I think you're right Kris. We've had too much luck in the OU-WVU series so far. Eventually it's going to go the other way, and this year seems like a good chance for it since the Sooner defense is the worst I think I've ever seen, at least in the Stoops-Riley era, and possibly going back way before that ...
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Close game w/ OU winning?
https://www.oddsshark.com/ncaaf/oklahoma-west-virginia-odds-november-23-2018-977918 (https://www.oddsshark.com/ncaaf/oklahoma-west-virginia-odds-november-23-2018-977918)
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I think OU scores at least 42 points
question is will WVU score more
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OU's defense is not a factor. However, they're offense is so good that WVU's defense may not matter, either. I want to think that Texas' defense demonstrated how to stonewall OU's offense - provided you have sufficient athletes, but Texas had OU's TE/FB guy Constanza or Kamoze or whatever his name is out of the game.
Realistically, this is a pick 'em. History says that an random helmet on ball fumble or tipped pass will upset the house of cards one way or the other.
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BTW, you were right, doppel. WVU @ oSu was much more significant than I gave it credit for being.
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BTW, you were right, doppel. WVU @ oSu was much more significant than I gave it credit for being.
Well, even a blind nut can find chicken eggs by counting squirrels in a barrel by mooning a blue fish once in awhile.
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I think you're right Kris. We've had too much luck in the OU-WVU series so far. Eventually it's going to go the other way, and this year seems like a good chance for it since the Sooner defense is the worst I think I've ever seen, at least in the Stoops-Riley era, and possibly going back way before that ...
I don’t really think OU has been lucky. They’ve just been better. They may very well be better this year, too. I do think WVU has more of a shot this year than the last 2 or 3 though.
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Will Grier was as good as advertised. Hard fought game. One of those too bad one team had to lose kind of deals. Good luck in your bowl game Kris. I hope WVU gets a good one and wins it big.
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Defense set-aside, the game was as exciting as they get. Beat OU !
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Do you guys like Big XII style football? Why is it like this? How can it go back to being actual football, with defense? I'm 100% not trying to troll or flame or whatever, I'm earnestly asking if you guys like it.
I think back to the OU defenses of the mid-80s and the Texas defenses of the early 80s and while I'm not dying to watch a 9-7 game, this both-teams-have-50-by-halftime crap isn't a sport I recognize.
Is Texas Tech to blame? Leach? How did it get to this point?
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I blame DeLo$$ and the Longhorn Network
or the puppy kicker
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Very disappointed. I thought WVU had as good a chance to win the league this year as they have ever had and may get again in a while.
OU’s offense is obviously incredible but the defensive effort was embarrassing last night. It was last week against Ok St too. They didn’t even put up a fight.
The two calls that negated a WVU TD in the 2nd quarter and a 70 yard run were massive. I thought Holgorsen’s decision to go for it on 4th and 6 instead of kick a chip shot FG was a mistake. There’s a fine line between aggressive and dumb. Would have liked to have seen him take the points there. Oh well.
OU-Texas in the CCG. The Big 12’s dream comes true.
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Is Texas Tech to blame? Leach? How did it get to this point?
check you NCAA passing stats for the decade of the 2000's or 2010's vs the 70's or 80's
as we've discussed, the NCAA's thirst to draw non-fans eyeballs to the TV for ratings and $$$ have caused this
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The lack of defense hurts the Big 12 conference as a whole. And is why the Big 12 will play second fiddle to the Big 10 and SEC when looking at one loss teams for the playoff.
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same as has been happening to the PAC for decades
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Why haven't the SEC, ACC, or B10 fell prey to this type of football? (yet?)
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they have, just not to this extent
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Part of it is also a result of the way the refs call the game. They rarely call offensive holding on passing plays, even when defenders are being tackled to the ground by o-linemen. This obviously results in more offensive yards and more scoring. I guess the league likes it that way, because they continue to overlook it.
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Part of it is also a result of the way the refs call the game. They rarely call offensive holding on passing plays, even when defenders are being tackled to the ground by o-linemen. This obviously results in more offensive yards and more scoring. I guess the league likes it that way, because they continue to overlook it.
That and the fact that if a tackler has a head he’s probably going to be called for targeting.
I bet there wasn’t a Big 12 defense this year that wasn’t handicapped by half-game suspensions to their best defenders.
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Furthermore there are smart coaches and idiot savant offensive coaches.
Smart coaches have some consideration for their defense and enough sense to know that controlling the clock with their offense mitigates the amount of time their defense has to be on the field.
Idiot savant offensive coaches think there’s nothing more to the game than outscoring the opposition so they score as quickly and as often as they can without any consideration to the adverse effect of their defense never catching its breath.
The Big 12 has more idiot savant offensive coaches than anybody else. Most have some kind of Leach connection and none have ever sniffed an MNC or ever will.
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The only thing that amazes me is how these teams coached by idiot savant offensive coaches can still recruit 4 star recruits on the defensive side of the ball. If I were one I wouldn’t touch a team like that with a ten foot pole.
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does anybody play offense in the Big 10
Only two Big 10 teams in the top 25 in total offense
The Big 12 has 4
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ohio st does
and against the #1 defense
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sooners couldn't score 60+ on WVU?
Buckeyes put 60+ on Michigan
question: Will the Buckeyes jump the Sooners in the ranking?
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No am not a fan of it either. I grew up watching the Selmons, Rod Shoate et al shut their opponents down and would still prefer it that way.
Hard to fight city hall.
But ya know, with joe Montana etc in the nfl there was a time when passing ruled too ... but now lately it’s been more defense (eg the Ravens) oriented. Not totally but D does matter rather bigly. Maybe college will find a way back?
Said hopefully ...
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ohio st does
and against the #1 defense
Not much defense today
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sooners couldn't score 60+ on WVU?
Buckeyes put 60+ on Michigan
question: Will the Buckeyes jump the Sooners in the ranking?
of course they will just like years past
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I’m not so sure. This isn’t TCU but a clash of two helmets, and _IF_ OU ends beating a helmet, they probably have a shot to stay in front of OSU. This is a team afterall against which an OU flag was planted midfield in the Horseshoe just last year, and also the Buckeyes have had some truly stinko games this year. OU’s only loss was via a last minute FG in a rivalry game etc etc.
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I can't help but laugh at all the snooty B1G posters going on and on about the B12's lack of defense, and then they deliver THAT complete shitfest in their "biggest game of the year."
LMGDMFSBAO
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well, the AfroMan isn't a B1G guy
and I wasn't going on and on, just stirring the pot and giving explanations of the NCAA rules giving more help to offenses
but, I will agree about Michigan's defense not getting on or off the bus today
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There were a lot of blowouts today, but I'm talking about the style of football in which the losing team scores over 40 or even 50 points. It used to be WAC football, but now it's Big XII football. The PAC does it sometimes, but not that often.
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Furthermore there are smart coaches and idiot savant offensive coaches.
Smart coaches have some consideration for their defense and enough sense to know that controlling the clock with their offense mitigates the amount of time their defense has to be on the field.
Idiot savant offensive coaches think there’s nothing more to the game than outscoring the opposition so they score as quickly and as often as they can without any consideration to the adverse effect of their defense never catching its breath.
The Big 12 has more idiot savant offensive coaches than anybody else. Most have some kind of Leach connection and none have ever sniffed an MNC or ever will.
Oregon at least sniffed a MNC. The coaching you're describing is Chip Kelly to a T. Score so quickly and often that your defense, no matter how good, doesn't even have a chance to be statistically good, because it's so worn out from being on the field.
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it was telling as Coach Frost commented in the postgame presser after the Michigan State game, a 9-6 game, no TDs
Fost admitted that he had never been apart of a game like that
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well, the AfroMan isn't a B1G guy
and I wasn't going on and on, just stirring the pot and giving explanations of the NCAA rules giving more help to offenses
but, I will agree about Michigan's defense not getting on or off the bus today
I wasn't talking about OAM on this thread, I was talking about some of the various B1G-fan blow-hards on the B1G board guffawing over the OU-WVU game, and then I was pointing out how stupid they looked given the defensive shitshow that the Michigan-Ohio State game became. OAM was part of that over there, but he came here with legitimate, thoughtful, relevant questions.
To answer those questions, I'll deliver at least a somewhat thoughtful answer. The B12 is largely centered on Texas recruiting. And in Texas high school ball, the 7-on-7 game, alongside the spread offense, have blossomed. So the B12's style of play is at least somewhat a product of the types of players that are available. In addition, the offense-oriented rules in modern football are friendly toward those offenses, and so they proliferate further. And yes-- a lot of people like that style of football. The recent NFL game between the Chiefs and the Rams was widely lauded as an "instant classic" and the final score of that game was 54-51.
To say that these high scoring games in the B12 (and elsewhere) are solely a product of bad defense is disingenuous and most certainly naive. These offenses are high-risk high-reward by design. When they're working, they score quickly in bunches. They can also result in short offensive possessions that can handicap the defense.
There's a lot at play here. As long as the rules continue trending in favor of offense, we're going to see more, not fewer, teams adapt to this style. Putting aside the high-risk offenses of the B12, and just looking at "average" offenses in other leagues, there's still considerably more offensive yards and scoring than there was 2, 3, 4, 5 decades ago. The trend is going in this direction and only rule-changes in favor of defense are going to change that trajectory.
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agreed
it's easy for the fans of any accomplished program to rail on the D-coordinator after a few blow out losses where the opponent puts up a pile of points.
I understand this, but also realize that in this day and age of football there are going to be some games that get away from the defense
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Last week Texas beat Iowa State 24-10. Scores this week were:
Texas 24 Kansas 17
Baylor 35 Tech 24
ISU 42 KSU 38
TCU 31 OSU 24
and of course
OU 59 WVU 56
Which in light of the above scores, certainly appears to be an aberration. It's hardly the average type of game in the B12.
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scores in the defensive minded SEC........
MSU 35
Ole Miss 3
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Arky 0
Mizzou 38
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Auburn 21
Bammer 52
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Cocks 35
Clemson 56
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Tech 21
Georgia 45
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LSU 72
A&M 74
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Gators 41
Noles 14
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Kentucky 56
Louisville 10
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Vols 13
Vandy 38
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I mean, there's no doubt that scores are lower in the SEC and B1G, but this thought that the OU-WVU game was somehow "normal" for the B12 is off-base.
In general, if you look at just the OU scores, they're both scoring much higher than their opponent's average defensive allowed ppg, and they're also allowing their opponents to score well over their average offensive ppg. They're a very special case this year, with a stellar offense, and an atrocious defense.
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I mean, there's no doubt that scores are lower in the SEC and B1G, but this thought that the OU-WVU game was somehow "normal" for the B12 is off-base.
even the Big 10 and SEC scores are up over past seasons
lowest score of a winner in the SEC this week was 35, highest was 74
Bama has scored the most points in a season in their long glorious history