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Topic: Should playoff teams be expanded?

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ELA

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #112 on: December 15, 2018, 02:39:45 PM »
Well the bowls have "mattered" for 60+ years now, so I don't know why we're citing the era when the final poll was conducted pre-bowls.  I'm not upset about anything, BB is just asking the same, age-old questions and getting cheeky.  




The SEC is the healthiest conference doing what they're doing in this time and place.  To question why they don't do something differently - a something with no visible payoff - makes little sense to me.  As does endlessly bitching about it.
Considering your politics, that seems like a weird mentality.  If the people in power have no incentive to change things, then they shouldn't, and nobody should complain about it.  That's your take?

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #113 on: December 15, 2018, 02:51:16 PM »
People are welcome to complain.  Obviously, if the folks in power have no incentive to change things, well, I don't expect them to do it.


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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #114 on: December 15, 2018, 02:56:15 PM »
Not do I.

People seem to be vastly overstating how "upset" people are.  It's posters on a college football message board, stating on the message board that they don't like a certain thing about college football, and then totally forgetting about it.  I highly doubt anyone spends one second of thought on it otherwise.

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #115 on: December 15, 2018, 03:01:16 PM »
The bowls still "matter" with regards to the polls.
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #116 on: December 15, 2018, 03:14:41 PM »
Getting hypertension just reading this with the high levels of sodium chloride in this thread...
This fellow is CLEARLY highly stressed and likely needs medical attention.

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #117 on: December 15, 2018, 04:03:46 PM »
Geez Fro, why'd you have to bring up playing games in Alaska? 
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #118 on: December 15, 2018, 08:01:34 PM »
Considering your politics, that seems like a weird mentality.  If the people in power have no incentive to change things, then they shouldn't, and nobody should complain about it.  That's your take?
The SEC isn't in power, merely a beneficiary.  
I'd love you to tell me about my poltiics, or what you think they are.  
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #119 on: December 15, 2018, 08:11:04 PM »
The SEC isn't in power, merely a beneficiary.  
I'd love you to tell me about my poltiics, or what you think they are.  
Im just basing it on the politics you've posted on here, your more nuanced beliefs, I can't speak to.  But what you've posted here doesn't seem to be in line with your take here of "everyone should do what benefits them, and those who don't benefit from the system should shut up and never speak of trying to change it."
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #120 on: December 15, 2018, 10:19:11 PM »
Well to change things (a 9th conference game for everyone, more teams in the playoff, etc), you're going to need buy-in from those in power and those thriving in the current system.  I just think that's a lost cause.
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #121 on: December 16, 2018, 07:39:25 AM »
Reality is that the PTBs make changes, or they don't.  If they see a benefit, they will make changes, unless there is an off setting deficit.  Duh.

I think the bowls have some influence still even though they have been marginalized somewhat.  They would be NIT'd by an 8 team playoff.

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #122 on: December 16, 2018, 07:43:55 AM »
Who else would be resistant to an 8 team playoff?

University Presidents?  Yes, by and large.
Nick Saban?  Yup.  I don't know how much real influence he has though.
The SEC commissioner?  Probably.

Who would be for it?

ESPN and other networks.
Any bowls that might get included in the venue options, but most would be against.
Some ADs, maybe most.

That power balance at the moment is clearly "against".

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #123 on: December 16, 2018, 09:55:17 AM »
I wonder if the voting breakdown has anything to do with being a fan of a helmet vs non-helmet.  
I understand my viewing lifetime has coincided with by far the best run Florida has ever had, but that being said, I do not want an environment in which Florida loses and I shrug my shoulders, knowing we're still in it for the NC.  If you're a fan of a helmet (or elite team in your lifetime), you know that feeling of dread and angst on the rare occasion your team loses.  If your team peaks at 7-5, you don't know this feeling.  It's what made the college football regular season mean something.  You knew that once you lost, you'd need some conspiracy theory stuff to happen bam-bam-bam for you to have any way back to the NC...and sometimes it happened!!  
But ever since OU got lambasted by KSU in the XIICG that one year and still made it into the BCSNCG, it's all felt wrong.  Or I don't know, Nebraska getting pantsed and still playing Miami for the NC, whichever happened first.  That was the beginning of this new college football regular season, in which no one loss is particularly damning.  Now, you team loses, you shrug.  Still in it, still able to achieve all our goals without angels parting the Red Sea.  
When/if the playoff expands, we'll enter a third phase of the regular season - the irrelevant games.  So many irrelevant games.  And maybe that isn't scary to you, but it is to me.  90,000 seat stadiums aren't getting packed now, and with more meaningless games, or games in which the outcome isn't high-stakes, even against legit competition, those stadiums will have more and more empty seats.  Fewer eyeballs on TVs.  
Every game needs to matter.  Every loss should be damning and feel like a stake through the heart.  Not because I say so, but because that's how college football became great.
I disagree with much of this, mostly on the grounds that a game outside the national title race leads to irrelevance. 
If that's the standard, most games played most seasons are irrelevant. If you try to schedule good teams early, you're hastening your own irrelevance. The flip side of that dread you talk about is that once you lose, it's gone. So it means an individual fanbases' level of buy-in to that dread and such usually dissipates before the halfway mark (You also talk about the seeing a team lose and maybe work its way back in, but setting aside the sort of SEC one-loss mulligan that developed, most of the time that dread breaks with a loss, and you instead find out the team you put a lot of hope in and started a soft 5-0 wasn't all THAT good). 
What we're really talking about isn't the in-the-bubble fan experience, but the third-person view of the race, even from within that bubble. We're talking about watching the polls, seeing undefeateds slip up or get picked off. Is that all-or-nothing drama, and the fact we ignore anyone outside the top 10 or so down the stretch, better than more machinations, more sub-races, more moments when a sure seven seed gets dashed by a CCG upset? I dunno.
I'd assume this will not create more irrelevant games. It'll likely create more relevant games, if anything. If winning the B1G West means more, or if UCF games matter beyond being a story many roll their eyes at or if a CCG means a chance to play one's way in, that'll at least balance out things somewhat.

And beyond that, college football makes its own drama because the difference between every kind of record matters. 7-5 feels different than 8-4 which is different than 9-3. When my team was 6-4, I wanted VERY badly for it to knock off a 5-5 Purdue team on the road. This team should be irrelevant, but in my bubble, and probably the Purdue bubble, there was a lot of angst on both sides. 
I don't know if an eight-team playoff dampens that. Maybe getting a spot rises to such a level, that goes away. But at the moment, 7-5 teams usually feel some joy getting win No. 8 in a second-tier bowl (y'know, unless they stop trying or something), and I don't know if that will dissipate in the short term. 
(I suppose the counter would be something like Clemson-Syracuse this year. That game was marvelous and sublime, but would it have been that way without the vague ability to project ahead and say "I don't know, they could put themselves outside the championship hunt here"? I get that might be lost, but something else might be gained)

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #124 on: December 16, 2018, 11:30:56 AM »

We are about to spend the entire off season sifting through countless Fro-Threads debating who would have won a four team playoff had the system been in place way back when, but spit balling changes we'd like to see to the future post season format is a complete and total waste of time? 

Alrighty then.... 
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #125 on: December 16, 2018, 11:33:47 AM »
Worse will be spending the off season decrying yet another NC for that team down south.

 

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