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Topic: List of players sitting out their bowl game

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2018, 11:29:31 AM »
Okay, but death counts as a career-ending injury, too. I don't think people realize how many people die in car accidents each year.  And for college-age males, HALF their deaths are in car accidents.  A torn-up knee isn't really career-ending anymore, unless it's like Milton's or Marcus Lattimore's...and yet he even came back and played some in the pros, albeit at a less-effective level.



I'm just saying that there are insurance policies all over the place, they're sitting out bowl games, sitting out more than bowl games (Bosa), but they're driving every day.  The odds you get hurt badly in one football game (bowl) are insanely low.  Why play any games?  Just put together a video like Uncle Rico, showing how you can throw the ball over that mountain.



All I'm saying is that the act of sitting out is an overreaction and probably isn't a statistically valid move.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2018, 11:44:41 AM »
It's a selfish move. There is no other way to explain it.



I wonder what Bo "the team the team the team" Schembechler would say. No, scratch that. I know what he'd say.




"I just pulled your scholarship, now get the F out of here!"
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2018, 12:06:52 PM »
It's a selfish move. There is no other way to explain it.



I wonder what Bo "the team the team the team" Schembechler would say. No, scratch that. I know what he'd say.




"I just pulled your scholarship, now get the F out of here!"
Bo was miserably hyper-judgmental. Of course he'd make that mistake.

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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2018, 12:17:13 PM »
Don't confuse "mistake" with old-school. Was it a "mistake" to tell Frieder to pack his things?
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2018, 01:43:48 PM »
Don't confuse "mistake" with old-school. Was it a "mistake" to tell Frieder to pack his things?
I'm in no position to say that was right or wrong. I can only say I really enjoy the telling of Frieder's firing. It's good drama. Cocky and finishes with an NC.
The comparison is broken, though. Frieder made his self-serving decision after years of receiving market value compensation. These players have never once received market value compensation.
It's the difference between big number/big number and big number/zero. The players' ratio is larger meaning their stakes are significantly riskier -- and if any of them felt desperate about those risks, it's understandable.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2018, 01:47:17 PM »
Meanwhile, I'd rather not call out these sitting players as exhibiting poor principles. But if a person insists on going that way, it's impossible without highlighting that the system they play in, that arbitrarily refuses their access to personal market value, has an equal and opposite lack of principles.
And these players likely would have chosen very differently if they weren't aggressively incentivized to play the NCAA's same ("it's all about numero uno") shitty game.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2018, 09:01:03 PM »
Nobody is forcing kids to play college football. It's a choice, and if a kid makes the choice to join a team, the team comes first. 



Just as my son made a choice to join his team (The Marines), the team came first, above all. 



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I fail to notice an "I" here.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2018, 09:14:15 PM »
Nobody is forcing kids to play college football. It's a choice, and if a kid makes the choice to join a team, the team comes first.



Just as my son made a choice to join his team (The Marines), the team came first, above all.



T. E. A. M.



I fail to notice an "I" here.
This comparison, it is odd. 

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« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2018, 09:44:59 PM »
I just hate how the coaches are forced to go along with it, in order to not alienate the top recruits.  Ugh.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2018, 10:55:44 PM »
This comparison, it is odd.

Is it? How so? Choices are both.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2018, 10:56:47 PM »
We need the NFL to make a minor league for kids who have no interest in Kolledge. That would solve a lot of stuff.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2018, 12:10:21 AM »
Nobody is forcing kids to play college football. It's a choice, and if a kid makes the choice to join a team, the team comes first.



Just as my son made a choice to join his team (The Marines), the team came first, above all.


T. E. A. M.


I fail to notice an "I" here.
Hmm. You've moved on too soon. I guess it doesn't interest you to counterargue why you think the Bo/Frieder analogy is not broken? 
As for the new comment: As a society, we are pretty consistent about pushing kids into the field that brings them the most market value. So this argument doesn't work, either. For very worryingly many of these kids, football is obviously their #1 source of market potential. And when that's the case, CFB isn't exclusively a choice anymore. Because this is the only pathway: HSFB -> CFB -> beyond. 
Unfortunately for its participants, it's one of the rarest paths in america, in that accepts all comers with market value and then forbids them from cashing in on theirs.

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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2018, 12:13:07 AM »
Is it? How so? Choices are both.
For one, that choice wasn't the only available path for the market value you noticed in your son.

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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2018, 12:21:22 AM »
We need the NFL to make a minor league for kids who have no interest in Kolledge. That would solve a lot of stuff.
With enough compensation, you're right. It could work. But without enough popularity, I am skeptical it would be able to pay the kids enough (maybe a multiple of 2 or 3 of the poverty line + community college or trade school education after football) to live up to its potential as a thing that could work.

 

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