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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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SuperMario

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #574 on: August 18, 2018, 12:05:35 AM »
I haven't really noticed anyone attack McMurphy yet.

You must not have friends or family that are Buckeye fans. I will honestly say that the reaction from some of the guys I consider my best friends is embarrassing. All they are doing is trashing McMurphy.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #575 on: August 18, 2018, 12:23:34 AM »
You must not have friends or family that are Buckeye fans. I will honestly say that the reaction from some of the guys I consider my best friends is embarrassing. All they are doing is trashing McMurphy.
they are shooting the messenger for real.
doesn't make sense. Ohio State fans should be irate at Zach Smith and also at Urban for employing a literal scumbag.
But no. They are mad at Tom Herman- even though there isn't a shred of evidence that he is a "source" for McMurphy and they are ripping McMurphy for reporting on Zach Smith. Unreal.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #576 on: August 18, 2018, 12:27:39 AM »
perfect tweet from long-time sports writer Matt Hayes...

Matt Hayes‏ @MattHayesCFB 6h6 hours ago


Sit back and let this marinate: Without McMurphy’s reporting, Zach Smith would still be the wide receiver coach at Ohio State. And it was “hard” for Urban Meyer to finally fire him — after McMurphy’s first story.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #577 on: August 18, 2018, 01:10:05 AM »
I will advance things forward with really no reasoning since I think if there is no public charge there is no accountability. Now there is, but there is very little for U-Meyer to account for. I would guess 1-3 game suspension. Move-on. Sooner the better.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #578 on: August 18, 2018, 06:51:55 AM »
I haven't really noticed anyone attack McMurphy yet.
He's the only journalist involved to only report entirely on documents, many never-before reported, and none of them anonymously.
Plus, the trashiness of this latest news isn't on the reporter but on Zach Smith. And the details are sadly relevant because they go to character.
Also: The conversation can't become any trashier than Zach's behavior. He and only he defined that limit.
I don't see how it's relevant at all, at least in regards to domestic violence.  Relevant to domestic violence might be a report about his past and present partners and whether he was violent towards them.  Details on their lovemaking, not so much.  

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #579 on: August 18, 2018, 07:20:15 AM »
I don't see how it's relevant at all, at least in regards to domestic violence.  Relevant to domestic violence might be a report about his past and present partners and whether he was violent towards them.  Details on their lovemaking, not so much.  
mmm... If it was "just a partner" yah no big deal. But it was an employee, while at work. Shows continue lack of character on Zach Smith's part. 
Taking pictures of your schlong while at the white house, again shows poor character. I think Zack wants to be in charge, and has shown he is willing to cross the line to be in charge (meaning it's very plausible he beat his wife, in more than just self defense.)
The buying sexy mens underwear as a gag gift seems a bit out there to report on.
Zach Smith is a POS.
McMurphy falls into the sensational trap our current society does, and that is to try and take down the shiniest apple on the tree. If it wasn't him it would have been a different reporter. His line of reporting seems at times to attack OSU, and as a fan of OSU that is hard to hear, but that doesn't make him the bad guy.
Zach Smith is the bad guy. Courtney Smith is the victim. The question still; Should Urban/OSU have done more, and done it sooner? 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #580 on: August 18, 2018, 07:35:57 AM »
yeah, or not.
McMurphy broke this entire story. If someone keeps feeding him more info like he's really not going to report it? Yeah, Ok.
Zach Smith is a ratfuck disgrace of a human being. Says A LOT about Urban Meyer's character to employ a loser like that.
Urban wouldn't be taking so much backlash if he wasn't such a sniveling holier than thou douchebag who clams to be some sort of arbiter of morality and just an awe shucks good guy. When all he is in reality is a hypocrite.
Someone keeps feeding him more, lol.  You mean the ONE person he talked to in his “ investigation” lol?
Look, I get why you don’t like him- but there seems to be 5 versions of this situation.
The alleged victim, and the 4 others, which all seem to dispute her side. ( the police, the mom, the other mom and the accused).  And how you keep making this about the head coach is not credible.  At least not to a person who truly care about the truth.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #581 on: August 18, 2018, 07:58:01 AM »
I haven't really noticed anyone attack McMurphy yet.
He's the only journalist involved to only report entirely on documents, many never-before reported, and none of them anonymously.
Plus, the trashiness of this latest news isn't on the reporter but on Zach Smith. And the details are sadly relevant because they go to character.
Also: The conversation can't become any trashier than Zach's behavior. He and only he defined that limit.
Documents, you mean the police report that claims an arrest in 2015 that nobody has seen or can find and that he has not produced? His report was based on texts, and one interview.  
His original claimed purpose was to prove their was domestic violence, and Meyer knew about it.   How you can now claim that Smith’s character is relevant to that central issue when the reporting has turned to his sex life...baffles me coming from you. 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #582 on: August 18, 2018, 08:33:41 AM »
Just so I understand this....

-Zach Smith knocks around and strangulates pregnant wife.

-Zach smith continues to knock around wife

-Zach smith drives drunk PRIOR to publicly shaming and criticizing Nebraska coach for same issue

-Zach smith has sex with University staffer in football offices.

= Brett McMurphy is a bad guy

Makes sense

Spoken like someone who has a predetermined narrative.
Let’s say you were at least partially interested in the truth, in other words, you opened up to the possibility that not everyone is a liar that isn’t calling for Urbana scalp.
Let’s say you gave CS 100% credibility, and all others close to the situation that have spoken publicly only 25% credibility. Your above post would like more like:
-Zach smith and his wife have some kind of fight in 2009, Zach is arrested. The Meyers, attempt to help them by getting them into counseling, believing that since they are young and newlywed, it can be corrected. Meyer reports it properly to his employer, and makes the bad jusdgement of keeping him on staff.
-Zach gets hired by 2 more schools after Florida. Nobody has published anything to see how well the vetting process worked or if it was done.
- Zach and his wife are now at OSU and have a very volatile relationship. They are both seen to be drinking and losing their shit in public. She is seen at Football events drunk and belligerent.  In some form or fashion, he is counseled about his performance at work and the impact of his personal life, as proven by published performance docs.
- she calls the police on him over the next few years, 8 or 9 times, with at least 2 or three of those being while she was driving erratically and he was not even around.
- the police never find a preponderance of evidence to arrest him.
- he gets an OVI, but hides it from OSU.  
- this all gets blown up by McMurphy, because he didn’t like Meyer deceiving people at Big Ten Media days.
- Courtney video comes out, public outrage
- Meyer says he followed proper protocol
- the only other witnesses and relevant parties to speak indicate Courtney was the aggressor, has a drinking problem, and that Zach never hit her, only restrained her.  Those three parties are her estranged mom, Zachs mom, and police reports which only indicate a complaint with no probable cause to take further action. Still, you have four sources versus one.
-now claims that Tom Hermann and his wife somehow made this go public, which is vehemently denied. However, it is not denied that the Herman’s are very close to Courtney and even loaned her $10,000, and it is reported and not disputed that Hermann and Zach, who were once pretty tight, had a falling out before Hermann left OSU, and that they had a bitter recruiting war over a Texas stud WR, which OSU won, just before this all blew up.
- lastly, information comes out, some not even substantiate, about trashy things thatSmith did relating to his sex life and doing things on campus that would clearly break all the rules.
Based on all of this, it seems more than plausible that everyone at OSU saw this relationship as extremely volatile, and anything they became aware of was reported, but they clearly talked with police and looked at whatever they could get as far as a reporting, and were in a tough spot as far as terminating him and risk of wrongful termination, until he actually WAS arrested.
The conclusion that is fair to draw now- Zach is an idiot . That was known and not disputed long ago on this board.  The degree of his idiocy may be much more pronounced now.
The central question I have now, and it is really the original central issue: was it clear to Meyer that Zach hit his wife after coming on staff at OSU, and if yes did he repot it properly.  If the answers are yes/ no, he should be fired.  If the answer is yes/ yes, could you make the argument that he should be fired for poor judgement, and should he be fired not for cause but for poor judgement, the answer is yes, but that becomes a matter of opinion.
So it has not changed, it still comes down to what Meyer actually knew to be FACT, and what he did about it.
Is it fair to think he knew that Zach was kinky? Reasonableness says no...how could he possibly know?  And in my opinion that’s what makes this latest round of McMurphy stuff trashy.  It is not relevant to the Meyer investigation.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #583 on: August 18, 2018, 08:41:24 AM »
mmm... If it was "just a partner" yah no big deal. But it was an employee, while at work. Shows continue lack of character on Zach Smith's part.
Taking pictures of your schlong while at the white house, again shows poor character. I think Zack wants to be in charge, and has shown he is willing to cross the line to be in charge (meaning it's very plausible he beat his wife, in more than just self defense.)
The buying sexy mens underwear as a gag gift seems a bit out there to report on.
Zach Smith is a POS.
McMurphy falls into the sensational trap our current society does, and that is to try and take down the shiniest apple on the tree. If it wasn't him it would have been a different reporter. His line of reporting seems at times to attack OSU, and as a fan of OSU that is hard to hear, but that doesn't make him the bad guy.
Zach Smith is the bad guy. Courtney Smith is the victim. The question still; Should Urban/OSU have done more, and done it sooner?
Your take is a breath of fresh air and exactly how I feel.
Your closing statement is really the only question that remains for me. What should Urban/OSU have done, but the answer lies in details none of us really know, which is how much did they know?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #584 on: August 18, 2018, 09:47:13 AM »
The people eager for Meyer to get punitive damages are part of the lynch mob-style, drag the most famous person with any connection to the actual problem down crowd.  



Whether he should or should not have told someone, considering the situation, is a personal opinion thing.  He's literally only guilty of lying to the cameras, which is something every coach on the planet has done.


The guy who is at immediate fault has lost his job and will likely never coach again, due to this hubbub.  The fact that there is so much peripheral 'stuff' regarding Meyer is yet another bit of evidence of the larger issue of our society.  Period.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #585 on: August 18, 2018, 10:20:03 AM »
A coach lying isn’t part of the problem of society because every coach lies? Odd take.

Meyer is involved because he made himself involved. He poured gas on the fire when he stood in a press conference and arrogantly tried to embarrass a reporter in the room by saying “who makes up a story like that?”

He has no one to blame but himself and his ego. He could have given a PC answer, but his pride bested him and consequences are not always pretty.


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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #586 on: August 18, 2018, 10:25:14 AM »
This would be a good thread to earmark for the next time Super Mario whines about posters picking on poor Michigan. 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #587 on: August 18, 2018, 10:27:51 AM »
This would be a good thread to earmark for the next time Super Mario whines about posters picking on poor Michigan.
When someone isn’t capable debating the facts, they attack the opposition. Pathetic and childish response on your part. 

 

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