All Time Best Numbers (uPDATED)

[ELA]

Bubba Smith is listed as #35 for some reason, he should be #95, which is open.

[OrangeAfroMan]

Thank you.  Alan Ameche slides into #35.  Or should it be Doc Blanchard?

[ELA]

Bubba Smith is listed as #35 for some reason, he should be #95, which is open.

To add more MSU...

I'd take Percy Snow over Derrick Rodgers for #59.  ROdgers was 1st team AA as a LB.  So was Snow, but Snow is one of 4 players in history to win both the Lombardi and the Butkus in the same year, and he was elected into the College Football Hall of Fame in 2013.

I'm assuming someone will trump him but since it's open, I'll submit Don Coleman for #78.  He was MSU's first unanimous AA, and finished runner up for the Outland Trophy.  Rumor is Bear Bryant told him the only reason he didn't win it was because he was black, and that Bryant would have integrated his team just to add him.

[betarhoalphadelta]

To back up my point:  Anthony Munoz doesn't belong on any all-time greats college football lists.  He was hurt half the time and made zero all-american teams.  This is a college list.  No Tom Brady, no Joe Montana.  

On that point, at least for the B1G conference list, it should be Drew Brees over JT Barrett. Barrett played on a better team, of course. But Brees was IMHO a better QB, and owns most of the all-time Big Ten records... In fact, the one that Barrett holds (touchdown passes) would be Brees' if he was a 4-year player. He only started from his Soph through Sr year. 

[OrangeAfroMan]

Here's some to vote on:
8 - Davey O'Brien
3 - Carson Palmer
10 - Vince Young (remember, career, not just one game, lol)
14 - Don Hutson (first productive WR, look it up)
23 - Leroy Keyes, RB, Purdue
24 - Kinnick
27 - Eddie George
28 - Adrian Peterson OR Anthony Davis, RB, USC
38 - George Rogers, RB, S.Carolina
43 - Terry Kinard, S, Clemson
44 - Jim Brown (remember, college only)
47 - Bennie Oosterbaan, E, Michigan
49 - Bob Chappuis, RB, Michigan
50 - Rimington
57 - Steve Kiner, LB, Tennesse OR Dwight Stevenson, C, Alabama
60 - Bednarik C/LB, Penn St
64 - Lachey, G, Ohio St
66 - George Gipp, RB, Notre Dame
71 - Tony Boselli
72 - Nagurski FB/DT, Minnesota OR Bob Lilly, DT, TCU
74 - Tracy Rocker, DT, Auburn OR John Hicks, T, Ohio St
77- Red Grange
78 - Bruce Smith, DT, VA Tech (college only)
82 - Ozzie Newsome, TE, Alabama
83 - Richard Wood, LB, USC
84 - Jerry Robinson, LB, UCLA
87 - Chad Hennings, DE, USAFA
92 - Tony Casillas, DT, Oklahoma
94 - Randy White, DT, Maryland
96 - Danny Stubbs, DE, Miami
98 - Tom Harmon, RB, Michigan
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Which of these (if any) should be included instead of who's there now?

[Kris61]

Jerry Rice wore 88 in college and I don’t think he replaces Randy Moss at that number.  If that leaves 80 open then a name that pops to mind for me is Eric Curry.  AA DE on Bama’s 92 National Title team.  I’m just trying to think of guys without doing a lot of research.

Gino Toretta wore #13 in college if someone wants to replace Marino, although I personally wouldn’t.

[OrangeAfroMan]

On that point, at least for the B1G conference list, it should be Drew Brees over JT Barrett. Barrett played on a better team, of course. But Brees was IMHO a better QB, and owns most of the all-time Big Ten records... In fact, the one that Barrett holds (touchdown passes) would be Brees' if he was a 4-year player. He only started from his Soph through Sr year.

You're entitled to your opinion, and Brees certainly leads in volume stats.  Maybe Brees wins in the eye test, but for me, I'll take the more efficient QB (also with plenty of volume).  I think you're description of Brees is misleading, though.  He leads in attempts, completions, and yards.  But that's it.  
Brees vs Barrett
 x    comp    
 x     att    
     comp%  x
 x   yds    
    yds/att   x       <<<very important and overlooked
       TD      x
 x    INT                (as in more)
      Rating  x      <<<<by 20 pts
And let's not forget
    Rush Yds   x
    Rush YPC  x
    Rush TD    x
For me, and you can't go wrong with Brees, I'll take the more efficient passer with the much better TD:INT ratio, who can also run.
One was beloved and the other shat on most of his career, so there's that, too.

[OrangeAfroMan]

Jerry Rice wore 88 in college and I don’t think he replaces Randy Moss at that number.  If that leaves 80 open then a name that pops to mind for me is Eric Curry.  AA DE on Bama’s 92 National Title team.  I’m just trying to think of guys without doing a lot of research.  Thank you.

Gino Toretta wore #13 in college if someone wants to replace Marino, although I personally wouldn’t.
How dare you.

I remember Curry & Copeland.  Curry was bigger, but Copeland was better, imo.  I think they both disappeared in the NFL.  

[Kris61]

I think a pretty good argument could be made for Curtis Enis over Cunningham at #39.

[SFBadger96]

7 - Joe Theismann (Notre Dame, NOT a Heisman winner, but awfully good [edit re the post below, because I'm an idiot]) over Wuerffel. Or John Elway, Stanford (played on a crappy team, still received Heisman consideration).

16 - Jim Plunkett: an actual Heisman winner, beat out Theismann and Archie Manning; took Stanford to Rose Bowl victory over Ohio State. I know Peyton Manning is an all-time great, but again, college...Plunkett deserves consideration despite the natural recency bias and the way the QB position has changed.

But I'll put down my ND/Stanford homerism to bring up my Wisconsin homerism:
25 - Melvin Gordon

Speaking of running backs and Heisman Winners: Alan Ameche over Bubba Smith for 35?

Elroy Hirsch or Ed McCaffrey at 40?

Mike Webster at 51?

[Kris61]

7 - Joe Theismann (Notre Dame, Heisman winner) over Wuerffel. Or John Elway, Stanford (played on a crappy team, still received Heisman consideration).

16 - Jim Plunkett: an actual Heisman winner, beat out Theismann and Archie Manning; took Stanford to Rose Bowl victory over Ohio State. I know Peyton Manning is an all-time great, but again, college...Plunkett deserves consideration despite the natural recency bias and the way the QB position has changed.

But I'll put down my ND homerism to bring up my Wisconsin homerism:
25 - Melvin Gordon

Speaking of running backs and Heisman Winners: Alan Ameche over Bubba Smith for 35?

Elroy Hirsch or Ed McCaffrey at 40?

Mike Webster at 51?

Theismann didn’t win the Heisman.

[SFBadger96]

Heh--I even said so in my own post. Thought he had won it a different year, but sure enough, you're right.

Hate it when I'm dumb.

And I'm picking Elway at #7 anyway. Stanford needs some love on this list.

[MarqHusker]

See, this always happens - we get guys like Dan Marino and Curtis Martin on these COLLEGE lists, and it becomes an NFL list.

100% support this. 

[OrangeAfroMan]

Heh--I even said so in my own post. Thought he had won it a different year, but sure enough, you're right.

Hate it when I'm dumb.

And I'm picking Elway at #7 anyway. Stanford needs some love on this list.

I find it odd how most people most of the time use winning as the ultimate concern for QBs.....except when they don't.  There is only one reason to choose Elway over someone like Wuerffel - NFL success.  Their college resumes are a mismatch, sorry.