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Topic: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #168 on: March 21, 2018, 12:16:21 AM »
The weird part about all this is if the SEC went east instead of west.  Say, it took NC State and VA Tech instead of Okie St and KU....

A&M, LSU, Ark, Mizz - WEST
OM, MSU, ALA, Aub - DEEP SOUTH
UF, UGA, USCe, Vandy - EAST
Tenn, UK, NCST, VT - APPALACHIA

What would come of Kansas?  It's a big basketball get.  Perhaps too far for the PAC, and too little history with Texas/OU, wherever they went.  They could join the B10 (AAU status), but with what partner?  I'd take UNC over UVA, and KU over UVA, but would the B10 leapfrog the state of Virginia?  

There's a ton of HS talent in VA Beach/Newport News/Norfolk area.  
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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #169 on: March 21, 2018, 12:19:09 AM »
How about this?

West - UNL, Iowa, Minn, Wisc
Central - NU, ILL, IU, PU
East - PSU, Md, UNC, UVA
Midwest - M, OSU, MSU, Rut

A different way to split up the M-OSU-PSU triumvirate?  I really believe the more you can keep them regional, the better.  Maybe even at the expense of evening out the helmets.
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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #170 on: March 21, 2018, 07:04:55 AM »
There just aren't any good ways to quarter a 16 school Big Ten. Even now, the halves of 14 are not balanced by helmet.

For today, I would like to send Purdue East and Michigan West. No more locked crossover for Purdue, but Michigan takes that over so it can play Ohio State yearly.
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« Reply #171 on: March 21, 2018, 08:29:37 AM »
Add Texas and Oklahoma to the B1G West. 

Slide Purdue to the B1G East. 

Three helmets in each Division, with the divisions divided along the time zone. 

Badda bing, badda boom. Zen-like balance. 
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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #172 on: March 21, 2018, 08:31:52 AM »
It might happen.  Stranger things have, that's for sure.


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« Reply #173 on: March 21, 2018, 09:05:02 AM »
PSU has been the odd man since they joined
Which is both sad and true, as UNL joined and became a better 'fit' and were welcomed more than Penn State ever was.  PSU only now benefits from the fact that RU and UMd are both more terrible fits.  

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« Reply #174 on: March 21, 2018, 10:07:28 AM »
I loved the PSU addition at the time and I still do, but the man in Ann Arbor did not like it at all. I think that led to a lot of the angst.
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« Reply #175 on: March 21, 2018, 10:11:21 AM »
I think of the two "helmets", moving UM west makes no sense.  They have a stronger east coast alumni base than any other school.  If the goal is simply to move a helmet, OSU to the West makes more sense than UM.

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« Reply #176 on: March 21, 2018, 10:24:00 AM »
Add Texas and Oklahoma to the B1G West.

Slide Purdue to the B1G East.

Three helmets in each Division, with the divisions divided along the time zone.

Badda bing, badda boom. Zen-like balance.
Those divisions make natural sense and I like that.  They also should be at least reasonably balanced and I like that.  
The thing I would like about eight team divisions is that even with nine games each team would play:
  • Their seven division mates every year
  • The eight teams in the other division every fourth year (two per year) so that eight years would elapse between hosting and eight years between travelling to each of the schools in the "Other" division.  

I wouldn't mind having eight years between hosting/visiting the B1G-W newbies (UNL, OU, TX) but I would be sad that long-time conference mates IL, NU, UW, MN, and IA would feel like OOC games based on the infrequency.  

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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #177 on: March 21, 2018, 11:08:21 AM »
Those divisions make natural sense and I like that.  They also should be at least reasonably balanced and I like that.  
The thing I would like about eight team divisions is that even with nine games each team would play:
  • Their seven division mates every year
  • The eight teams in the other division every fourth year (two per year) so that eight years would elapse between hosting and eight years between travelling to each of the schools in the "Other" division.  

I wouldn't mind having eight years between hosting/visiting the B1G-W newbies (UNL, OU, TX) but I would be sad that long-time conference mates IL, NU, UW, MN, and IA would feel like OOC games based on the infrequency.  
They should have courted Oklahoma and Texas instead of Maryland and Rutgers, obviously. But now we are putting the toothpaste back in the tube. 
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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #178 on: March 21, 2018, 11:38:46 AM »
I loved the PSU addition at the time and I still do, but the man in Ann Arbor did not like it at all. I think that led to a lot of the angst.
Three institutions voted no.  The only institution to own up to it for years was IU, however several AD's and prominent coaches were openly against PSU joining due to the fact the negotiations were done very much in secret and only at the president level.  
Delany acknowledged there was "a lot of turmoil" last December over the lack of communication between the Council of Ten and their athletic and faculty representatives.
"I don't think anyone can dispute that. There's been differences of opinion," he said. "Perhaps if we had it to do all over again, we'd use a different process, a process with more consultation. But that's water over the bridge."

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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #179 on: March 21, 2018, 11:48:05 AM »
Sorry badge, I wasn't singling you out there although it looked like it, was just lamenting the situation.  It was a general observation-- college football fans worrying about which schools "carry" which television markets is just one of the many horrible symptoms of the rapidly spreading disease within the sport.

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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #180 on: March 21, 2018, 11:55:04 AM »
Those divisions make natural sense and I like that.  They also should be at least reasonably balanced and I like that.  
The thing I would like about eight team divisions is that even with nine games each team would play:
  • Their seven division mates every year
  • The eight teams in the other division every fourth year (two per year) so that eight years would elapse between hosting and eight years between travelling to each of the schools in the "Other" division.  

I wouldn't mind having eight years between hosting/visiting the B1G-W newbies (UNL, OU, TX) but I would be sad that long-time conference mates IL, NU, UW, MN, and IA would feel like OOC games based on the infrequency.  
I think this is the sacrifice you make with conferences that are too large.  the seven division mates then form the traditional/regional rivalries that the sport thrives on.  And the network gets the content and only negotiates with 5 conferences.
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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #181 on: March 21, 2018, 12:23:21 PM »
becareful
there are some sensative posters here in Big Ten country
This post really hurt my feelings. 
In the future could you please provide a trigger warning before infiltrating our safe space with these micro-aggressions? 
Thanks. 
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