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Title: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: Thumper on December 05, 2017, 10:44:36 AM
Birmingham Bowl, Dec. 23: Texas Tech vs. South Florida. USF is a two-point favorite. 
Heart of Dallas Bowl, Dec. 26: West Virginia vs. Utah. The Utes are 7-point favorites. 
Cactus Bowl, Dec. 26 in Phoenix: Kansas State vs. UCLA. K-State is a three-point favorite.
Texas Bowl, Dec. 27 in Houston: Texas vs. Missouri.  Missouri is favored by 3.
Camping World Bowl, Dec. 28 in Orlando: Oklahoma State vs. Virginia Tech. OSU is a 6-1/2 point favorite. 
Alamo Bowl, Dec. 28 in San Antonio: TCU vs. Stanford. The Horned Frogs are 2-1/2 point favorites.
Liberty Bowl, Dec. 30 in Memphis: Iowa State vs. Memphis. The Tigers are 3-point favorites in a literal home game. 
Rose Bowl, Jan. 1 in Pasadena, California: Oklahoma vs. Georgia. Pick 'em.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 05, 2017, 11:01:47 AM
Is Memphis that good?

I’d say a 4-4 or at best 5-3 outcome.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: longhorn320 on December 05, 2017, 11:05:18 AM
I think 6 wins for Big12
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 05, 2017, 12:08:18 PM
I think 6 wins for Big12
Hope you're right ...
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: Thumper on December 05, 2017, 12:26:41 PM
Mizzou will be without their OC.  Josh Heupel is the new HC at UCF so congrats!  Under Josh MU went from 124th in offense to 7th.  Josh has hired Randy Shannon as his DC.  I was kinda hoping Shannon would replace Mike Stoops.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 05, 2017, 01:59:28 PM
Good news about Josh Heupel.  UCF is an interesting "proving ground" - lots of potential there.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: Cincydawg on December 05, 2017, 02:22:17 PM
Mizzou looked awful early in the year and started to look half decent later on.  They tested UGA in Athens.  UGA had to pass 26 times for 326 yards to open up the running game.  

The won their last 6 games albeit against rather bad teams.

Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: BrownCounty on December 05, 2017, 03:18:35 PM
How convenient that Georgia has always been my favorite SEC team.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: utee94 on December 05, 2017, 04:43:13 PM
It's nothing personal about our good friend CD, but I can't ever really root for Georgia.  That 1984 Cotton Bowl still stings.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: BrownCounty on December 05, 2017, 05:17:38 PM
It's nothing personal about our good friend CD, but I can't ever really root for Georgia.  That 1984 Cotton Bowl still stings.
I used to waver between Bama and Georgia as my favorite SEC team.  That solidified toward Georgia in recent years.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: Mr Tulip on December 05, 2017, 05:57:05 PM
I'll always fight for a Texas win, and ending up 7-6 looks a lot better than 6-7, but really what I want is the extra 4 weeks of practice. This season is largely in the can. A lot of development, and many positives. If you see a college football team as an organic thing, always developing and growing (or else starving and decaying), then getting time for next year's stars to train and practice (especially since a lot of this years' stars are excused from the game) is a good thing.

Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: UT-Erin03 on December 14, 2017, 09:39:13 AM
If anyone is planning to come to the Texas Bowl, hit me up! 
We've got tickets and will be out there.   
Hook Em! 
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: utee94 on December 14, 2017, 11:31:37 AM
Thanks Erin, we'll be camping so I guess I'll find out the score sometime after New Year's.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 23, 2017, 05:09:20 PM
TT loses in the waning seconds

Big 12 starts bowl season on a thud

0-1
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CWSooner on December 23, 2017, 11:55:05 PM
Kingsbury's really got himself a QB there.  Like a statue in the pocket.  Hangs his receivers out to dry.  Misses open guys.  A real gamer.

Not the only thing wrong with Tech, though.  A better defense would help.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 24, 2017, 01:09:45 AM
He’s had 5 years and is still posting losing records.  He’s cementing TT’s return to the same mediocre team they were pre-Leach.

What TT needs is a new HC.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CWSooner on December 24, 2017, 11:00:04 AM
I wonder how attractive Tech is to up-and-coming coaches.  The PTB in Lubbock ran off the best coach they've had in the last 70-plus years.

How 'bout that Army 4th-quarter comeback?  That was inspirational!  I liked it that Mack Brown was making the case on TV for the 2-point conversion, and that Army went for two, and that the Black Knights converted it.

The defensive score with time expired was just icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: FearlessF on December 24, 2017, 11:11:33 AM
Mack is a decent TV guy

probably should still be coaching in Austin
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CWSooner on December 24, 2017, 11:49:17 AM
Yeah.  He's pretty good on TV.

He tooted his own horn there discussing how he overruled his assistants and ordered a deliberate kick-off out of bounds against Michigan in the Rose Bowl, but he's good more often than he is not.  I thought he made the case for Army to go for two about as concisely and as clearly as it could be made.

I wonder how many Horn fans wish he were still coaching in Austin.

Speaking of the Rose Bowl, how awesome was it for Texas to play in, then win in classic, cliff-hanger fashion, two straight Rose Bowls, the 2nd one for the national championship?  Not many teams have had that experience.

In one sense, it wasn't all that long ago.  In another, it seems like it was ages ago.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 24, 2017, 08:30:03 PM
Congrats on that Army win, CW.  I was on the treadmill and flipped to that game in time to see the last play, which was pretty entertaining.  Thought of you and a few other Army guys I've gotten to know.

Well, I do hope we get to have that beer one day as I'd really like to hear a few of your tales of your times at West Point.  Must have been pretty interesting there.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CWSooner on December 25, 2017, 10:32:46 AM
We do have to have that beer, Fred.

But I don't have much exciting to tell about West Point.  I worked in the Dean's office for a year with the impressive-sounding title of Assistant Dean for Academic Affairs, but I was just a place-holder there in a job that was about to be civilianized.  I did work a deal with the Army War College to get more slots for USMA-faculty lieutenant colonels to attend there.  Then for two years I was the XO of the Department of Geography and Environmental Engineering with half of a teaching load.

West Point was a good place, with the usual mix of great leaders, self-serving bureaucrats, and mediocrities promoted above their talents that you find in most military institutions.  I think that the establishment there was more concerned about producing future national leaders than producing outstanding Army officers.  Maybe that's a good thing--I don't know.  It seemed misguided to me at the time.

I didn't make any Army-Navy games.  Now I wish I had, but at the time they seemed like old-grad-reunion shindigs, and I was not a grad, old or otherwise.

On the Army win the other day . . . that has been the best game of bowl season for me.  Army had to play as close to a perfect game as possible, because SDSU had more talent, especially in the speed department.  Army's offense could never overcome a big penalty.  A holding penalty was a drive-killer.  The game-winning drive with the 2-point conversion was a masterpiece of guts, poise, and precise execution.

OU plays at Army on 26 September 2020.  I plan to make that trip.  West Point is beautiful at that time of year.  I imagine that the game will be in New York City, though.  Michie Stadium's capacity of 38,000 fannies won't be enough, I expect.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CWSooner on December 25, 2017, 11:28:08 AM
Here are some pictures of beautiful Michie Stadium.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Michie_Stadium_West.jpg/1920px-Michie_Stadium_West.jpg)

This is an aerial photo from the Hudson River side, looking back to the west.  The pond in front of the stadium is Lusk Reservoir.  The stadium sits 2-3 hundred feet above the Hudson River.  I got my introduction to tailgating in that parking lot to the right rear of the stadium.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Michie_Stadium_North.jpg/800px-Michie_Stadium_North.jpg)

This is looking north up the Hudson River.  The Plain, where the parades are held, is northeast of the stadium, out of the picture.  The medium-sized city of Newburgh--where George Washington encamped the Continental Army between the victory at Yorktown in October 1781 and the signing of the Treaty of Paris almost 2 years later--would be on the left, visually blocked here by Storm King Mountain.  Further upriver, on the right, is the FDR Library and Museum at Hyde Park.  Well worth a trip if you are ever in the area with half a day to spare.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Michie_Stadium_South.jpg/1920px-Michie_Stadium_South.jpg)

This is looking down the river toward New York City.

That's Michie Stadium and the vicinity of West Point during football season.  It's a beautiful place.



Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CWSooner on December 25, 2017, 11:36:09 AM
Two Big 12 teams play tomorrow.  West Virginia vs. Utah in the Heart of Dallas Bowl at 12:30 CST, and K-Sate vs. UCLA in the Cactus Bowl at 8:00.  Sandwiched in between is Duke vs. Northern Illinois in the Quick Lane (?) Bowl, at 4:15.

We'll be driving to Santa Fe to visit my mother-in-law, so I'll have to follow them on Sirius XM radio.

WVU should beat Utah, I think.

As for the K-State-UCLA game, I think it depends a lot on whether UCLA shows up ready to play.  Bruin QB Josh Rosen is sitting it out, having more important things to do than play his final game with his teammates.  Will the UCLA players be demoralized, or will they show up angry and ready to take out their frustrations on whomever happens to be in the way?
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: FearlessF on December 25, 2017, 01:27:10 PM
Bill Snyder doesn't have a great bowl record overall. And only 2-6 with a win last season over the Aggies in his second run with KSU.

The interesting thing about this bowl vs UCLA is it could be Wild Bill's last game as coach.

I was leaning towards taking the purple cats, but think I'll stay away from putting money on this bowl
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CWSooner on December 25, 2017, 02:55:22 PM
Not only might it be Wild Bill's last stand, it probably should be.  The suspicion is that he won't announce he's leaving while there are any good coaching candidates available, so when he does KSU will be forced to accept his son as the new HFC.

Wish there were some K-Staters around to give us the poop.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2017, 02:45:36 PM
slackers

SkiCat, WildCat Forever, and Wildcat00
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: Thumper on December 27, 2017, 09:28:48 AM
West Virginia didn't show much without Will Grier.  Big 12 is 0-2.
I went to bed at halftime of the Cactus Bowl.  I was thinking the Big 12 was about to be 0-3.  This morning I woke up to fine the Cats scored 21 point and shut out UCLA in the 2nd half.  Congratulations to the Cats!
Big 12 is 1-2 with 5 more bowls to go.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2017, 10:25:28 AM
28-0 second half, watched it all w/o falling asleep

and I did put a few bucks on the Cats
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: WC4E on December 27, 2017, 11:08:32 AM
Finally got invited to the party.  Thanks Frankie Fearless.  Slacker?  Not me!

Anyway, I don't have time to follow CFB like I used to, working my ass off in a new town with a whole new deal.  Don't know the inner workings of the Athletic Department.  Sean Snyder would be a helluva lot better choice than Ron Prince was, so I'm not fired up about it either way.  I just wish Bill was younger.  That way I would be, too.  

This is going to date us all...I have a daughter who's a Freshman at K-State.  She was born 2 months after the '98 Big XII Championship disaster, the Monday after which I made my very first post.

She's also a Private First Class, in the US Army Reserves, and will complete her CBRN training at AIT this Summer.  She survived MRSA from the horrible boots she was stuck with at BCT last Summer.  My next daughter wants to go in and do Basic this Summer, before her Sr. year of HS.

Good to see some familiar names, Merry Christmas (late) and Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2017, 11:27:06 AM
hah, finally make an appearance after a 28-0 second half come from behind bowl victory

Gotta be proud of those daughters!
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: WC4E on December 27, 2017, 12:18:40 PM
Man, I think that Delton kid is the best running QB we've ever had.  If he could throw AT ALL we'd be a load.  He did keep us in the game v. the mighty Sooners, before getting concussed deluxe twice right afterward and having to sit.  I live where he graduated HS now, Hays America, have seen his parents' house with the HS-like K-State Helmet with "DELTON" across it in their front yard.

And yes, trying as it may have been at times, I'm pretty damn proud of my girls.  I don't know how it happened, but they are awesome.

Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2017, 12:36:24 PM
well, you are a bit closer to civilization and the little apple in Hays

are you at the muni course there or moving up to Smoky Hill with the rest of the lawyers?

or did you just get smart and give up golf?
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: WC4E on December 27, 2017, 12:53:00 PM
I played The Fort (muni) once, and have walked Smoky Hill twice watching kid 2 play for the HS team.  My golf cart is 4 Sale.  I got NO time.  I-70 and College town...use ur imagination.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2017, 01:10:08 PM
well, being busy can be very good

I hope you are enjoying putting in the time
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CWSooner on December 27, 2017, 03:55:51 PM
I loved the 98-yard drive (after the bonehead attempt to return the bouncing punt) that K-State used to salt the game away.  Seemed like it lasted 8 minutes, and when it was over, UCLA was done.

That was classic K-State/Bill Snyder football.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: WC4E on December 27, 2017, 04:25:44 PM
I used to think I was busy.  Evidently, I was not.  That should have stood to reason when examining how much time I spent BS'ing with you people.  Couple weeks back I billed 63 hours in a week, legit.  I woulda died back in the old days.

That was a nice, ram it down your punk-A-throats 98 yard drive, CW.  Two 15 yarder penalties helped the cause.  I'm concerned Thompson looked so inept, but happy that Delton did so well.  We'll see what shakes out next year...but when you have 2 QB's you got none, right?  
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CWSooner on December 27, 2017, 05:22:17 PM
I didn't get to see Thompson, as I was on the last leg of the semi-annual Tulsa-to-Santa Fe road trip, but it sounded bad with him. I caught the 2nd half and Delton looked pretty darned good.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2017, 09:24:37 PM
well, I'm rooting for the Horns tonight vs the old Big 8 squad

not as hard as I thought it might be

I have $$$ on the Horns

I also had money on the FSU Noles, but couldn't really root for them vs So Miss
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2017, 09:26:06 PM
I used to think I was busy.  Evidently, I was not. 
I'd bet you were pretty busy when those daughters were younger.  Course you probably one of those incredible wives.  Good for you
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: Thumper on December 28, 2017, 07:25:05 AM
Well, the Horns did well all around.  They made Frankie some money and brought the Big 12 to 2-2 in bowls.
Congratulations, Horn fans!
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: DevilFroggy on December 28, 2017, 11:46:31 AM
After facing the eventual Heisman winner (for the second time) TCU now faces the Heisman runner up tonight in San Antonio. While I absolutely think Bryce Love is legit, I think the TCU D should be able to handle him better than they did Mayfield. The question is TCU's offense. Stanford's D isn't elite like it has been some seasons but it's still pretty good, and TCU's offense under Kenny Hill is nowhere near as consistently potent as it was under Boykin. 

I do think TCU wins a close one, 24-21.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CWSooner on December 28, 2017, 12:54:05 PM
I think TCU wins.  I hope it's a blowout.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: longhorn320 on December 29, 2017, 01:39:36 AM
I think TCU wins.  I hope it's a blowout.
Well it wasnt a blowout but it works
with both OK St and TCU winning today the Big12 is 4 and 2 with two more games coming
Go Big12
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: Thumper on December 29, 2017, 07:15:00 AM
Yep, after slow starts the Fighting Frogs and Mighty Mullets played some good football.  Congrats to the Frogs and the Pokes.


Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: BrownCounty on December 29, 2017, 10:53:47 AM
Go Big12
I can pull for Iowa St to beat Memphis, but I can’t do OU.
Be assured, whatever success OU has in the post-season, it will be attributed to the glory and helmet of OU.
No one will have a fleeting thought that correlates OU success with the Big 12.  The glory will all be OU’s.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: longhorn320 on December 29, 2017, 11:21:20 AM
I can pull for Iowa St to beat Memphis, but I can’t do OU.
Be assured, whatever success OU has in the post-season, it will be attributed to the glory and helmet of OU.
No one will have a fleeting thought that correlates OU success with the Big 12.  The glory will all be OU’s.

OK BC you dont like the Big12 or OU we get it
This must be a bad few weeks for you
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CWSooner on December 29, 2017, 12:18:27 PM
You can't make someone root for a team he just can't root for.

But, as a matter of fact, when the conference champ does well in a high-profile bowl game, the glow rubs off on the whole conference.

That worked for the Big 12 when OU won the 2000 championship and when Texas won the 2005 championship.

It worked for the Mountain West when TCU beat Wisconsin in the 2010 (season) Rose Bowl.

It worked for the B1G when Ohio State beat first Alabama and then Oregon to win the 2014 championship.

It has worked for the SEC as Bama has won 4 of the last 8 championships.  Hence, two SEC teams in this year's playoff.

And that's not due to the fans or administration or media of the victorious institutions generously passing around praise for the conference or the other members.  It's just how it is.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 29, 2017, 12:43:49 PM
Be assured, whatever success OU has in the post-season, it will be attributed to the glory and helmet of OU.

No one will have a fleeting thought that correlates OU success with the Big 12. The glory will all be OU’s.
A win by OU is at least a neutral for the Big 12 (the bare minimum) and I think more realistically it raises the conference in the eyes of the CFB world.  Clemson's success has helped the ACC, and CW just documented a whole lot of other cases.
But perhaps another way you might think about this BC is what happens to the conference if OU loses badly in the playoffs (at either stage).  I don't think a close loss has much impact, but look at the B1G having had two teams get routed, blanked even, the past two playoffs, and this year Ohio St got frozen out despite having won the B1G conference championship in favor of Bama, who didn't even make the SECCCG.
An OU loss, a bad one at least, drops the Big 12 even further prestige wise.  It's a "hey look even their flagship team got killed and so they all REALLY suck" kind of deal.  So, if I were you and could not stand the thought of OU winning, at least cheer for us to lose in a close one :040:
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: BrownCounty on December 29, 2017, 01:03:52 PM
Forget our rivalry with OU.  What I am saying stiil holds true, and it would be true for Texas as well.

If OU wins its 38th NC, the glory all goes to OU’s helmet.  If Oklahoma State won an NC, the Big 12 rules!!  Texas and OU own their own success.  The Big 12 is scarcely reflected by Texas/OU success as with any of the 8.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: longhorn320 on December 29, 2017, 01:37:14 PM
Forget our rivalry with OU.  What I am saying stiil holds true, and it would be true for Texas as well.

If OU wins its 38th NC, the glory all goes to OU’s helmet.  If Oklahoma State won an NC, the Big 12 rules!!  Texas and OU own their own success.  The Big 12 is scarcely reflected by Texas/OU success as with any of the 8.
Not sure why you feel UT and OU is removed from what folks think about the Big12
Why is this true of the Big12 and not for any other helmet teams of any other conference
I think your disdain for the Big12 is clouding your view of the real world
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: BrownCounty on December 29, 2017, 03:48:49 PM
Why is this true of the Big12 and not for any other helmet teams of any other conference
Because other conferences don’t consist of 2 helmet teams and then the rest.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CWSooner on December 29, 2017, 06:20:45 PM
Because other conferences don’t consist of 2 helmet teams and then the rest.
No.  Some conferences, like the Pac-12, only have one helmet team.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: longhorn320 on December 29, 2017, 06:21:46 PM
Because other conferences don’t consist of 2 helmet teams and then the rest.
except for the Pac10 and the Big10 and the ACC
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: longhorn320 on December 29, 2017, 06:23:46 PM
BC is just disappointed cause the Horns won their bowl against a sec sec sec team
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: BrownCounty on December 29, 2017, 09:03:06 PM
BC is just disappointed cause the Horns won their bowl against a sec sec sec team
320 is a closet sooner.
See how that works?
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: longhorn320 on December 29, 2017, 09:41:15 PM
just for you BC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9U1-IbV97w
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CWSooner on December 29, 2017, 10:17:57 PM
Heh!  Not sure I ever heard that Alma Mater in my 5 years with no degree at OU.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: BrownCounty on December 29, 2017, 10:22:17 PM
just for you BC
see you even have the alma mater.  I’ll let you keep that to yourself.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: longhorn320 on December 29, 2017, 10:35:55 PM
sorry BC I forgot 

this is your song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF2wesSfnM4
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: BrownCounty on December 30, 2017, 11:41:54 AM
sorry BC I forgot

this is your song
more importantly, I’m impressed you know how to post videos.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: longhorn320 on December 30, 2017, 02:19:42 PM
you bring out the best in me
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: Thumper on December 30, 2017, 04:15:01 PM
Wow!  Great game ISU!  The Cyclones showed a lot of grit and heart to beat a 10-2 team on their home field with a bunch of iffy calls against them.

They came within 4 minutes and an questionable call of becoming the first FBS team to go an entire season without losing a fumble.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: longhorn320 on December 30, 2017, 04:22:00 PM
Big12 now 5 and 2

OK sooners youre up
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 30, 2017, 07:18:47 PM
I think 6 wins for Big12
Man 320 I hope you turn out to be right.  I remember you were always one of the best prognosticators on the Big 12 board (in those contests Erin and others used to run).  Hopefully that will continue to be the case here!
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: longhorn320 on December 30, 2017, 07:33:45 PM
dont worry you got this
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: BrownCounty on December 30, 2017, 09:13:30 PM
Baker Mayfield is to Lincoln Riley as:

a) Johnny Manziel is to Kevin Sumlin
b) Cam Newton is to Gene Chizik
c) Teddy Bridgewater is to Charlie Strong
d) all of the above

Can’t wait for next year.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: longhorn320 on December 30, 2017, 09:48:39 PM
Baker Mayfield is to Lincoln Riley as:

a) Johnny Manziel is to Kevin Sumlin
b) Cam Newton is to Gene Chizik
c) Teddy Bridgewater is to Charlie Strong
d) all of the above

Can’t wait for next year.
huh?
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: longhorn320 on December 30, 2017, 09:51:14 PM
BC I saw you on TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv13g44ROaw
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CWSooner on December 30, 2017, 11:29:18 PM
Iowa State played a great game except for two (?) turnovers in the opposing red zone.

They got the benefit of a shaky roughing penalty against Memphis that nullified a pick on the goal line.  They then went in to score a TD.

OTOH, they got a bad (albeit self-inflicted) break with the fumble on the 1-inch line reaching for the goal line.

I think the breaks and calls about evened out, and ISU deserved the 1-point win.

Congrats to the Clones, wherever they are.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: longhorn320 on December 30, 2017, 11:50:37 PM
The Big10 is now 7 and 0 in bowl games with a good chance to run the table

Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: Thumper on December 31, 2017, 08:21:20 AM
The PAC12 finished 1-8 for the worst showing by a P5 conference ever.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 31, 2017, 09:01:07 AM
These are of course related since the B1G played the PAC in 4 bowl games, winning them all.

Bowl season is still a small sample size.  Nevertheless it does have impact on perception of relative conference strength.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: Thumper on December 31, 2017, 09:21:15 AM
True.  The one Pac12 team that did win (Utah) beat a B12 team (WVU).

One other note, two Big 12 teams that were underdogs (Texas, ISU) won their games.  Hopefully,  OU (+2.5) can make it three.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: FearlessF on December 31, 2017, 10:33:57 AM
BC I saw you on TV


the guy on the right or the left?
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CousinFreddie on January 01, 2018, 04:47:22 PM
The SEC is 2-5 at present.  Best they can do if you count the nat champ game as a bowl, is go 5-6 (that’s if both UGa and Bama win today, and then they’ll go 1–1 in the champ game) or 4-5 if you don’t count the nat champ game. 

So it’s a losing bowl season for the SEC no matter what.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: BrownCounty on January 01, 2018, 10:27:52 PM
So it’s a losing bowl season for the SEC no matter what.

Hardly.  If we end up with 2 SEC teams in the big one, you can forget about all the other SEC bowl losses.  SEC hype and mania will double.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: CousinFreddie on January 01, 2018, 11:36:23 PM
Hardly.  If we end up with 2 SEC teams in the big one, you can forget about all the other SEC bowl losses.  SEC hype and mania will double.
Oh yeah.  You’re right about that.  Darn.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: TexasFan on January 02, 2018, 10:24:32 AM
SEC SEC SEC .....
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: BrownCounty on January 02, 2018, 10:32:20 AM
You're only as good as your competition forces you to be.

Basically, Nick Saban has driven Georgia (and Auburn to some degree) to be as good (almost) as Alabama.

But make no mistake, Saban is the culprit of SEC hype and success.

The man is the best.  And as long as he is around, the SEC lore lives on.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: BrownCounty on January 02, 2018, 02:32:17 PM
CFB is a funny thing.  Just as we are knee-slapping and gawking at the SEC's bowl record, we find ourselves staring straight into the eyes of the first all-SEC NC game.

Where did we go wrong?  What have we done?  I want my college football back.  Two schools from neighboring states tucked away in the bottom corner of the country.  Will anyone from California watch this game?  Anyone from New York?

Should we bring back at least some pittance of academic qualifications to play college football?  Could that even things back out?  Do these academic bastions called "Universities" really even care?  This is a joke NFL farm league, masked behind the pompetus of higher education.

Engineers, doctors, lawyers, businessmen define their self-worth based on whose idiot boobs beat the other guy's idiot boobs.

What a country.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2018, 02:40:22 PM
well, we may have 2 teams from the same conference, but at least they are not from the same division nor is it a rematch from earlier in the season
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: UT-Erin03 on January 02, 2018, 02:42:10 PM
well, we may have 2 teams from the same conference, but at least they are not from the same division nor is it a rematch from earlier in the season
Perhaps the only silver lining.  
But football is football, and I'll be watching. 
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: utee94 on January 02, 2018, 03:13:41 PM
Every change to the postseason has made the sport worse. And this is where we end up.

Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: WC4E on January 02, 2018, 04:08:09 PM
Every change to the postseason has made the sport worse. And this is where we end up.
Well, at least we can still argue...

UCF beat the team that beat both the teams that will play next week!

UCF got hosed.

Expand the Playoff!

Mo' Money!
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: BrownCounty on January 02, 2018, 05:10:12 PM
UCF beat the team that beat both the teams that will play next week!

UCF got hosed.

Expand the Playoff!
In an expanded situation, who says UCF still gets in?  Weren't they ranked 12?

I'm just worried about how regional this is becoming.  Pretty soon, let's just round up 8 schools from the collage of Florida, Georgia, Alabama and South Carolina and there's your playoff.

Ohio State? Ha!  USC?  Double Ha!

And what's with Georgia Tech?  Do they have some sort of academic qualifier that keeps them down?  Why aren't they bashing it out with Clemson and FSU on annual basis?  They're in the right neck of the woods.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2018, 05:42:08 PM
In an expanded situation, who says UCF still gets in?  Weren't they ranked 12?
easy, make it a 12-team playoff
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2018, 05:43:10 PM
the number of teams in the playoff could easily change from season to season depending on the committee's whims

:57:
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: BrownCounty on January 02, 2018, 05:52:40 PM
Schools used to win a National Championship in a 11-12 game season.

Now they must play 15.  And we want to make that 16?

<switches hats>

Sure why not?  It's not like these guys were academically admitted to their respective Universities, yet they get it for free.  Meanwhile, kids 10 times smarter are getting denied admission right and left.

Sure, let 'em play 16 games.  The whole point is the side show anyway.  So give us more side show.
Title: Re: Big 12 Bowl Games
Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2018, 07:11:12 PM
it's simple, grant the players involved playoff checks like the NFL