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Topic: OT: Online Civility

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #140 on: November 09, 2018, 06:56:16 PM »
The nature/nurture debate is over - it's 50/50.  Well not exactly that, but it's a bell curve (like everything else).  We're all victims of circumstance - individual experiences, genetic predispositions, ongoing or chronic experiences, etc.  Some we overcome, some are an ongoing struggle, and many we don't even identify - some, ever.  




I've had students (young children) who I'd trust to do my taxes and I've had others that should be locked in a cage.  Many want to do the right thing but physically aren't in control of their own bodies.  Garbage parenting is a major culprit.  But there are other guilty parties in nearly every aspect of humanity.  A high IQ is good, but not too high, because then it becomes a detriment.  Having 2 parents is good, unless it's a poisonous union and daily fallout from the clashes.  There's "yeah, but"s weaved throughout all of it.  



For those who turn out leaning on the "good" side, we're far more fortunate than responsible for turning out that way.
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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #141 on: November 09, 2018, 07:21:58 PM »
Psychopaths are the writers of their universe which makes you and me bit players on their tapestry and as such we have no say about the psychopath's  script. Sociopaths know they are not the only writers but they don't care about the other writers unless it is to their advantage. Most leaders have a little sociopath in them. 

Good and evil are human constructs and as such I consider them descriptors. Depending on your position in the universe the more black and white these descriptors  can become. Salespersons end up with lots of grays whiles soldiers try to see as much black and white as possible.

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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #142 on: November 09, 2018, 07:33:53 PM »
A high IQ is good, but not too high, because then it becomes a detriment.  
How so? 

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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #143 on: November 09, 2018, 10:16:20 PM »
Are sociopaths inherently evil?
I don't believe anyone is inherently evil, but anyone who violates social norms as often as necessary to serve themselves is a person whose behaviors can be terribly problematic.

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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #144 on: November 09, 2018, 10:21:41 PM »
How so?
People with extremely high IQs are far more likely to suffer from mood and anxiety disorders.  I don't know if it's a mind thing or not, but it's easy to see how this could be the case just by environmental factors.
The world is made for people of average intelligence, by and large.  Or the average range (95-105) or so.  
If you think of your life in our society as a game, it's best to be somewhat smarter than most.  That way, you can excel at it.  But if a game is too easy for you, it gets boring.  If the game is full of (perceived) glitches and errors, you become frustrated.  
I first realized this when reading the bios of many of the great philosophers - many of them had mental breakdowns.  Many mass killers have 150+ IQs.  But of course those are anecdotal.  But if you do a little research, it's confirmed.  An IQ between 120-140 is great (safer,healthy).  An IQ up around 160 - you're as likely to hate life as to enjoy it.
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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #145 on: November 09, 2018, 10:38:32 PM »
It’s more important for people in technical fields to become better communicators, as the barriers for who has a platform get lower and lower
Highly underrated comment.
At the present and upcoming critical junctures (be them conversations related to Alzheimer's, stem cells, GMOs, climate change, evolution, vaccines, consciousness, cancer), where scientific literacy is as rare as it is critical to our way forward, Earth needs ... well, a hundred thousand Carl Sagans wouldn't be too many to lead the way.
Niel De Grasse Tyson is "neat" enough to lend my ear from time to time, but he doesn't reliably supply a tenth of what I'm talking about. The need isn't just for inspiration without dumbing down. Or the ability to connect and blossom minds to massive ideas. We also need something much harder: for all of that to come packaged with the skill to relate, be likable, friendly. Worthy of the audience. Never above the audience.
There aren't many like that who are rockstar leaders of their field. In fact, after puzzling for a half-minute, I can think of zero whose voice is also mainstream. So we have to go deeper until we end up with a list of countless nameless, uncelebrated types. For every thousand high school, university, or unassociated-with-school teachers, there's one or forty who do their work this kind of well.
As mankind's most precious resources go, they share the top of my list.
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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #146 on: November 10, 2018, 08:05:36 AM »
I had a friend, of sorts, between about 7th and 10th grade.  He was clearly smarter than any of the rest of us.  He ended up being State Star Student and made 1600 on the SAT back when that was a perfect score.  I hear from another friend he went to GaTech and dropped out and ended up managing an apartment building in ATL somewhere.  I don't know if that is true, just what a friend of both of us told me.

He did have problems "socializing" (not that I didn't have my share, in common with many teen boys of course).

As to being able to communicate complex scientific concepts, it simply is not easy at all.  Feynman was quite good at it with his books and lectures, but the shoe is also on the other foot, how many lay people read anything Feinman wrote or watch his lectures?

http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/

http://www.cornell.edu/video/richard-feynman-messenger-lecture-1-law-of-gravitation

How many have even heard of Feynman?




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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #147 on: November 10, 2018, 12:19:57 PM »
The "lay people" who know and read Feynman aren't pure lay people. They are scientists and professionals outside of physics.

 

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