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Title: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 14, 2018, 06:13:29 PM

Things get underway tonight with the Amos Alonzo Stagg Bowl, pitting Mount Union against Mary Hardin Baylor in a rematch of last year's D3 National Championship. 

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Post by: ELA on December 14, 2018, 06:28:22 PM
Las Vegas Bowl looks really good tomorrow.  As the son of an EMU alum, I may check that out, and probably Appy State late.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 14, 2018, 10:12:03 PM

Purple Raiders go down. 

first loss since the 2016 semifinals, where they were bested by Mary Hardin Baylor. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 15, 2018, 08:32:47 AM
Mornin' all. Didn't watch any football last night - local chamber banquet and all that. Good times.


Today: Making baby back ribs, homemade fries, orange-roasted carrots and sautéed green beans with bacon and shallots. Appetizer will be deep fried shrimp with my very spicy cocktail sauce. The fryer is gonna get a workout today, so I'm glad I just got mine done.


Also have to hang some blinds and drapes today, so I'll need to find time for that too.
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 15, 2018, 09:22:38 AM
Didn't realize there was full slate of bowl games on today.  B1G basketball is also solid today, with OOC games of Notre Dame, Butler, NC State, and Seton Hall.  Can get some more good looking wins today.  Buckeyes on at noon, they've been off for ten days.

I'm trying to figure out Christmas - having three girls equals a lot of sad looks at my bank account.  Not sure I'll make any food - made some pretty good lasagna the other day so probably heating that back up.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 15, 2018, 10:45:03 AM
Las Vegas Bowl looks really good tomorrow. 
One of the Arizona State Alumni chapters happens to host their gamewatch parties right down the street from my new apartment, so today I’ll drop by for a few Pacificos.
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 15, 2018, 12:44:06 PM
Bucks were in good shape, then give up a 15-2 run to Bucknell to go in the half down 1. Looking a little sloppy.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 15, 2018, 02:16:32 PM
Local small college from Sewer City, IA Morningside in the  NAIA National Title Game this afternoon vs Benedictine at  Daytona Stadium, Daytona Beach, Florida

Kick at 5 central, hoping to get it on the radio.  I'll be driving to Minneapolis.  It is on ESPN3
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 15, 2018, 04:09:32 PM
Utah State keeps rolling with Gary Andersen.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 15, 2018, 04:22:00 PM
Is he coaching the Bowl game? 
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 15, 2018, 04:22:20 PM
Not a very nice day in Orlando.   Good unis in that game.  Tulane w a good look.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 15, 2018, 05:08:06 PM
Is he coaching the Bowl game?
I thought I heard he was.  I didn't actually watch any of it.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 15, 2018, 08:44:53 PM
I thought I heard he was.  I didn't actually watch any of it.
I had it on in the background, but started playing closer attention and I believe you are correct. 
They've had 3 10+ win seasons in their history. This one, the one that got CGA the Wisconsin job, and one in between. 
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 15, 2018, 08:45:50 PM
Also discovered, while looking up that nugget, that they once had a coach named Professor Mayo. :111:
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Post by: ELA on December 15, 2018, 10:34:52 PM
Should rename the New Orleans Bowl the UM-MSU Pain Bowl.  Appalachian State-Middle Tennessee
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 15, 2018, 11:09:38 PM
Why in the hell did ASU have yellow numbers on a yellow helmet???  
And if you've seen the polite mold creature on Aqua Teen Hunger Force, his new job is apparently as Tulane's mascot.


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These are strange times we're living in.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 15, 2018, 11:17:51 PM
Going to be tough to find a team that plays dirtier than this Middle Tennessee team.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 16, 2018, 12:00:05 AM
Today's winners were Appy St, Utah St, Tulane and Fresno 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 16, 2018, 12:01:32 AM
Today's winners were Appy St, Utah St, Tulane and Fresno
And Georgia Southern
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 16, 2018, 12:02:52 AM
Valdosta edged Ferris in the D2 NC. 

FCS NCG will be NDSU vs E Washington on Jan 5. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 16, 2018, 09:57:15 AM
I had it on in the background, but started playing closer attention and I believe you are correct.
They've had 3 10+ win seasons in their history. This one, the one that got CGA the Wisconsin job, and one in between.
Local paper says he just talked to the team a little before but was mostly uninvolved with the game.
Good on the USU kids for seeing half their coaching staff say "nah, this ain't our job," and deciding to go out and kick ass anyway. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 16, 2018, 10:01:25 AM
And Georgia Southern
That bowl is a reminder that even the low-end bowls provide a lot if you want to look for the good.
GSU wins on a walk-off field goal.
GSU went from great, to awful, to 10 wins again as they readopted the option. They have a fun 900-yard runner at QB, three good backs and a solid little defense.
EMU is likely the worst program in FBS, but has managed two bowls in the past three seasons. They keep playing crazy close games. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 16, 2018, 10:33:59 AM
Did I stumble across a field with red turf yesterday?  I switched channels after blinking a couple of times, though my TV had fritzed.

That was horrible.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 16, 2018, 10:38:40 AM
Did I stumble across a field with red turf yesterday?  I switched channels after blinking a couple of times, though my TV had fritzed.

That was horrible.
You've never seen the blood field?
That thing's been around for years with an FCS power playing on it
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 16, 2018, 10:41:32 AM
Gag, no, first time for me.

That should be outlawed by Constitutional Amendment forthwith.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 16, 2018, 10:44:06 AM

A lot of FCS schools went to off color turf in hopes of becoming the next Boise. 

https://herosports.com/collegefootball/wildest-fcs-football-fields-eastern-washington-coastal-carolina-central-arkansas-utsa-hawaii

Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 16, 2018, 11:08:16 AM
That bowl is a reminder that even the low-end bowls provide a lot if you want to look for the good.
GSU wins on a walk-off field goal.
GSU went from great, to awful, to 10 wins again as they readopted the option. They have a fun 900-yard runner at QB, three good backs and a solid little defense.
EMU is likely the worst program in FBS, but has managed two bowls in the past three seasons. They keep playing crazy close games.
I think I saw they have like 13 losses over the past two years, and all but 1 have been one score losses, including 5 in OT.
No clue how nobody hasn't scooped up that coach.  That has been a dormant program for three decades.  Tough to be fifth fiddle in a state that doesn't produce much talent.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 16, 2018, 11:13:39 AM
I think I saw they have like 13 losses over the past two years, and all but 1 have been one score losses, including 5 in OT.
No clue how nobody hasn't scooped up that coach.  That has been a dormant program for three decades.  Tough to be fifth fiddle in a state that doesn't produce much talent.
Those close games suggest a breakthrough could come eventually, and then he’s gone. 
I think it’s always had to sell a guy who doesn’t have actual record success. And his has context, which is usually lost. The weirdest thing with EMU the Ann Arbor proximity. He’s done quite a job. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 16, 2018, 11:37:21 AM
Yeah, I don't know how you can build a sustainable program right across the county from the Big House. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 16, 2018, 11:54:55 AM
Derek Dooley was a .500 coach out of the WAC when Tennessee scooped him up amongst an army of zero suitors.  Worked out well for the rest of the SEC, I’d say.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 16, 2018, 03:42:28 PM
Dooley has done OK as OC at Mizzou, by appearances anyway.  Having Locke might have helped.

Hah.

I think Mizzou is a bit underrated.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 16, 2018, 08:44:30 PM
According to the B10 board, Mizzou is only ranked because they're an SEC team.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 17, 2018, 08:18:35 AM
When did the Big Ten Board reach that unanimous consensus? 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 17, 2018, 10:04:58 AM
It is often considered than any 8-4 SEC team who gets ranked is only there because of the SEC halo.

I find it interesting that sportswriter from around the country are so influenced, but some think they are.  Coaches as well.

When I am President, I'm going to issue an executive order banning red football fields.

Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on December 17, 2018, 02:37:39 PM
What about the smurf-turf at Boise St?
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 17, 2018, 05:37:52 PM
What about the smurf-turf at Boise St?
I would grandfather that one in, it's heinous to be sure, but it's been there a while.
But when replaced, it shall be green, unless it is in Kentucky.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 17, 2018, 05:46:37 PM
I would grandfather that one in, it's heinous to be sure, but it's been there a while.
But when replaced, it shall be green, unless it is in Kentucky.
Same.  I don't like it, but at least it's original.  The copycat ones are just awful, and they are popping up increasingly in high school fields.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 17, 2018, 06:49:28 PM
What about the smurf-turf at Boise St?
I'd change it to green, just because it was original and has been that way a couple decades doesn't make it right
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 17, 2018, 07:44:25 PM
Of course it's not right, but as noted, it was original, a kind of a thing, and I rarely see it.  They should hire Les Miles to coach up there.

Idaho is a beautiful state.  It's not well known, but the territory was originally settled by a lady of ill repute (not counting the natives who were there long before of course).  She was the first permanent "white" settler, but had little business.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 17, 2018, 08:11:44 PM
The people that sell field turf no doubt like the trend. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 18, 2018, 12:57:36 PM
I do like the alternating light/dark green stripes every 5 yards.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 18, 2018, 02:06:10 PM
Bobcats-Aztecs tonight

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Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 18, 2018, 02:16:08 PM
Bobcats-Aztecs tonight

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Off by a day.  Have a matchup of conference chamos tonight.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 18, 2018, 02:55:36 PM
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 18, 2018, 03:47:19 PM
I would grandfather that one in, it's heinous to be sure, but it's been there a while
That grandfather was one cranky,belligerent old battle axe
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 18, 2018, 09:38:17 PM
UAB QB looks good.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 19, 2018, 08:30:43 AM
The Mac's donkey ears popped up last night. Scorched b the Blazers.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2018, 09:23:40 AM
A UAB WR has some crazy numbers last night, Xavier somebody.  The QB was laying it right in there on go patterns.

[th][/th]
[th]REC[/th]
[th]YDS[/th]
[th]TD[/th]
[th]LONG[/th]

X. Ubosi (http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4239830)
7
227
3
70



Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2018, 09:24:28 AM
7 receptions for 227 yards and 3 TDs.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 19, 2018, 10:12:25 AM
Bobcats-Aztecs tonight

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Fearless Frankie LOOOOOKing GOOD!
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 19, 2018, 10:26:21 AM
Just realized we've only had 2 days of bowl games, and all 4 mid-major champs who didn't get the NY6 auto-bid have already played.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2018, 10:28:32 AM
UAB looked pretty good to me, which is remarkable considering their recent hiatus from football.  That was their fist bowl win - ever.

How long will that coach stay put?
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Post by: rolltidefan on December 19, 2018, 10:31:32 AM
Just realized we've only had 2 days of bowl games, and all 4 mid-major champs who didn't get the NY6 auto-bid have already played.
they all did pretty good, too, except the one where 2 were matched up.
what uab and clark have done is kinda amazing. for uab sake i hope he sticks around for a while (looks like he is), but if i'm a big time school looking for a coach, he's on my short list of initial contacts for sure.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 19, 2018, 10:38:13 AM
Bama should totally take a flier on him.
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Post by: ELA on December 19, 2018, 10:43:27 AM
Thinking about CUSA, I had totally lost track of FAU.  5-7 and home for the holidays is not exactly what anyone expected this year.  Thought they had a chance to challenge for a NY6 bid.
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Post by: rolltidefan on December 19, 2018, 10:51:56 AM
tons of people had them with an outside shot to upset ou early in season. the lane train quickly derailed on that one.

looking back on it, it's not a bad schedule for a g5 team. @ ou, @ ucf, @ mtsu, @ marshall, @ fiu, @ north texas. all those are pretty good teams, and a couple are great.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 19, 2018, 11:34:27 AM
maybe next year with a better defense?

Florida Atlantic University head football coach Lane Kiffin has appointed Glenn Spencer as defensive coordinator of the FAU Owls. Spencer most recently held the same position with the Charlotte 49ers.

In one season at Charlotte, Spencer revitalized the defensive unit. The 49ers were ranked 11th in the county with 88.5 rushing yards per game. Additionally, the 49ers ranked third in C-USA and 14th in the FBS in total defense allowing just 306.6 total yards of offense.

Prior to Charlotte, Spencer spent 10 years at Oklahoma State University as defensive coordinator, defensive line coach and linebackers coach.
During his 10 years at OSU, Spencer was the Cowboys' defensive coordinator for five seasons. The Cowboys amassed a 96-34 record over those 10 years and won both the 2011 and 2012 Fiesta Bowl games. OSU made additional trips to New Year's Six bowl games – the Sugar Bowl in 2016 and 2015, as well as the Cotton Bowl in 2014, 2013, 2010 and 2009. The Cowboys enjoyed 10-win seasons in six of Spencer's last seven years and won six of their last eight bowl games.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 19, 2018, 08:06:27 PM
Bobcats-Aztecs tonight



Working in San Diego this week, going down to the Gaslamp district to check out the local happy hour support for this one.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 19, 2018, 08:14:42 PM
Working in San Diego this week, going down to the Gaslamp district to check out the local happy hour support for this one.
You are a lucky bastage. Too bad @PiratesRoost (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=22)  is no longer posting here. He'd probably buy you all the drinks you want, assuming he still lives down there.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 19, 2018, 08:38:43 PM
NC A&T beat Alcorn St in the Celebration Bowl. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 19, 2018, 08:45:25 PM
NC A&T beat Alcorn St in the Celebration Bowl.
That was on Saturday, right? I think I had it on in the background whilst cooking.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 19, 2018, 08:53:46 PM
Yeah. I had forgotten about it. 

I wonder if anyone was flagged for excessive celebration in the Celebration Bowl? 
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 19, 2018, 09:21:32 PM
Ohio up 17-0 at the half. 
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Post by: bayareabadger on December 19, 2018, 11:12:02 PM
Yeah. I had forgotten about it.

I wonder if anyone was flagged for excessive celebration in the Celebration Bowl?
Solich closes out another nine-win season. He’s been very solid to good at a very bad job. Good on him. 
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Post by: ELA on December 19, 2018, 11:37:47 PM
Is it a bad job?  I would think Ohio would be one of the better MAC jobs.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 20, 2018, 12:11:40 AM
Idaho is a beautiful state.  It's not well known, but the territory was originally settled by a lady of ill repute
I guess Idaho sounded better than Skanky-ho
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 20, 2018, 08:05:00 AM
There are some really good players on G5 teams (duh) and when one of them gets a great QB and a decent OL and perhaps a solid RB and WR, they can get dangerous, especially with a wonky offense.

If I coached a G5 program, I'd look for that "athlete" playing QB who was being passed over or offered safety as a position by the Bigs and craft a wonky offense that leveraged his abilities, sounds like UCF.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 20, 2018, 11:48:35 AM
In a battle of actual mascots I'd have to think that a Thundering Herd would be heavily favored over a Bull.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 20, 2018, 11:57:10 AM
Working in San Diego this week, going down to the Gaslamp district to check out the local happy hour support for this one.
Welcome to [sorta] my neck of the woods!
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 20, 2018, 02:39:58 PM
Solich is a solid coach and a derned fine man

not sure he was going to win conference championships at UNL, he hasn't won too many MAC championships
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 20, 2018, 02:46:26 PM
Ohio U was lucky if they won one or two games per season before Solich showed up. Dude is working miracles at that place. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on December 20, 2018, 02:50:09 PM
Solich is a solid coach and a derned fine man

not sure he was going to win conference championships at UNL, he hasn't won too many MAC championships
Frank prolly would have been much better than the circus that followed - that was some tough sledding for the Bug Eaters
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Post by: FearlessF on December 20, 2018, 02:59:28 PM
oh Frankie was obviously better than Billy C.

should have held onto Frank until something better was available
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Post by: bayareabadger on December 20, 2018, 03:43:02 PM
Is it a bad job?  I would think Ohio would be one of the better MAC jobs.
You’d think, but for some reason no. Between 1977 and Solich’s arrival, they went 96-109. They had five winning seasons, an 8-3, a 7-4 and three 6-5s.
Grobe went 33-33 with the 8-3, 7-4 and one 6-6 and got Wake Forest. Outside him, one coach was 31-34-1 and the next best was 11-35.

EDIT: That should be 96-209
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 20, 2018, 03:56:59 PM
The previous coach said it was nearly impossible to convince urban players to play in the hills of southeast Ohio.
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Post by: ELA on December 20, 2018, 04:09:17 PM
Weird. Athens is probably the most fun MAC campus.  Apples to apples I'd probably go there if I had offers from all the MAC schools
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 20, 2018, 04:20:47 PM
It is definitely my favorite part of the state. I'm not an urban football player though.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 20, 2018, 04:26:12 PM
Went Deer Hunting down in that area a couple of times.Kids were out for the holidays so the town was kind of quiet - beautiful country though
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 20, 2018, 10:05:41 PM
Marshall is up 28-10 at the half. 
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 21, 2018, 08:32:49 AM
A pair of games today that I would actually like to watch, both taking place during the work day.
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Post by: ELA on December 21, 2018, 10:40:05 AM
Daytime sports are one of the best parts of these couple weeks.  There is less basketball than I would have thought, but seemingly a bowl game every day at 1.  FIU-Toledo is near the bottom of my interest list, but BYU-WMU, I might tune in there.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 21, 2018, 04:33:43 PM
Watching the Blue Potato Field Bowl from Boise. Outside of Boise State (obviously) BYU is the most followed team in Idaho, and it's not at all a long drive for the critical mass of BYU fans in SLC & Provo. So maybe, yeah, the matchup is bad, but the Potato Bowl wins by getting a fanbase who'll show up. Reminds me of the Arizona bowl "winning" by getting New Mexico State last year, a fanbase more than excited to make the 4 hour drive to Tucson. Meanwhile, how does the Independence Bowl expect any fans for their Temple Vs Duke matchup?
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 21, 2018, 04:41:45 PM
Looks like Toledo blew it. Didn't get to see the game obviously.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 21, 2018, 05:02:01 PM
toledo got robbed by the refs on a 4th down spot with about 3 minutes left in the game

not saying they would have tied it up with a FG or won it with a TD, but they would have had decent field position at their own 32 and enough time
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 21, 2018, 06:51:25 PM
Looks like the Cougars have this one. Up 35-10 in the 4th, with the ball. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 22, 2018, 09:08:49 AM
We're having our first party in the new digs tonight. I'm making carnitas, Swedish meatballs and mini smoky links in the crescent roll thingies. Well, not really. My wife is doing the mini links things. I've no patience for that job.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 22, 2018, 09:24:48 AM
Daughter is coming home from UNL this afternoon

She asked me to make my competition chili for her and the boyfriend

Headed to the casino this morning for a couple hours of swing practice on the golf simulator.  Gotta stay loose, my annual trip to Texas to visit my brother and play some golf is coming up
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 22, 2018, 09:56:07 AM
Wife's mom & stepdad are down from Oregon. We're doing Christmas day with them, but only have the kids until Christmas morning, so we're having them over for dinner.

I'm going to smoke beef short ribs all day. Wife will be baking Christmas cookies most of the day. She'll make bruschetta as an app, and Brussels sprouts and roasted potatoes as a side. Should be a solid meal! 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 22, 2018, 10:07:38 AM
geez, the carnitas sounded good enough, but smoked beef ribs?!?!?

dern solid meals

I've decided that my brother's Xmas gift will be a trip to Louie Mueller's in Taylor for a beef rib next month.

off for a pre-match Schooner then to the simulator

FORE!!!
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 22, 2018, 11:38:05 AM
You have to appreciate the Ohio turnpike still having lane closures due to construction with no construction workers present on the weekend before Christmas I'm probably the busiest travel day of the year.  They always make you earn their wonderful rest stops
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 22, 2018, 06:52:56 PM
Army drops 70 damn points on Houston. Very nice.

Four passes for 85 yards. 58 carries for 500-plus and eight TDs. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on December 22, 2018, 09:04:58 PM
You have to appreciate the Ohio turnpike still having lane closures due to construction with no construction workers present on the weekend before Christmas I'm probably the busiest travel day of the year.  They always make you earn their wonderful rest stops
I'd tell you it's their way of keeping traffic moving safely but they're not that forward thinking.Still like it better than PA. - I thought i was going thru Transylvania,didn't stop to take a leak as I thought I'd run into Vlad
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on December 22, 2018, 10:38:27 PM
Did Houston even scout Army's offense?   Or was it a case of, if Ed's not playing, we're not playing?
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 22, 2018, 11:19:53 PM
geez, the carnitas sounded good enough, but smoked beef ribs?!?!?

dern solid meals

I've decided that my brother's Xmas gift will be a trip to Louie Mueller's in Taylor for a beef rib next month.

off for a pre-match Schooner then to the simulator

FORE!!!
There's a place in town that sometimes does beef ribs and did so today.I abstained because I've eaten poorly all week, and project to eat poorly all next week.
I think that makes me a quitter and I will wear that shame. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 22, 2018, 11:24:52 PM
Did Houston even scout Army's offense?   Or was it a case of, if Ed's not playing, we're not playing?
I want to say many things defending the voracity of the triple, and I still hold to all that.
But Houston did fire its DC a few weeks ago and seems bad at getting punched in the nose. Granted, giving up a record-tying number of points in a bowl might have Applewhite's job in jeopardy, so that's interesting. 
Hat tip to Rodger Sherman for writing "More Army was motivated to hang 70 points on Houston because Houston's coached by a guy with the audacity to call himself "Major Applewhite" without serving. Stolen valor"
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 22, 2018, 11:31:37 PM
It is definitely my favorite part of the state. I'm not an urban football player though.
Damn, I had you pegged wrong this whole time!
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on December 22, 2018, 11:36:32 PM
I'll defend or promote Army's offense any day of the week.  UH looked wholly unprepared and outmatched.  Army was a high confidence play bit it shouldn't have been +56.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 23, 2018, 02:31:40 AM
When are the bowls going to stop tricking us into watching WAC-level football?  Can it be the 29th yet?
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 23, 2018, 06:59:21 AM
So yesterday's winners were Wake Forest, Army, Troy and La Tech
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 23, 2018, 09:33:37 AM
When are the bowls going to stop tricking us into watching WAC-level football?  Can it be the 29th yet?
Secret. If you do not want to watch the thing, I have a quick solution for you. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 23, 2018, 09:48:39 AM
I didn't watch any football yesterday.  A few glimpses while at the bar...

watching Husker basketball now on the DVR
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 23, 2018, 11:17:19 AM
Secret. If you do not want to watch the thing, I have a quick solution for you.
I stand by my belief that in a vacuum a million bowls is a non-issue, but it's impact on the regular season is not.
Between it being so easy to qualify and abolishing the selection order within the conferences, it's made a ton of the regular season meaningless.  Every win from like 6 to 9 has no impact on anything.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 23, 2018, 11:58:23 AM
I really wish UW got Nashville instead of New York. Then they could have played Auburn. Again. Instead of Miami. Again.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 23, 2018, 12:54:44 PM
watching Wisconsin USC bowl game on BTN now

chili is in the pot

Vikings/Lions coming up!

my buddy from Michigan is on his way - Lions fan
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 23, 2018, 05:02:14 PM
I really wish UW got Nashville instead of New York. Then they could have played Auburn. Again. Instead of Miami. Again.
I have a thought on this that I'll get to in my response to ELA's post. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 23, 2018, 05:10:29 PM
From yesterday...

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/a8e5b3fbb364966373df9b51e7b6f5de/5CCFEB47/t51.2885-15/e35/46941752_344247853080937_8783121974198930079_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com)
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 23, 2018, 05:16:55 PM
I stand by my belief that in a vacuum a million bowls is a non-issue, but it's impact on the regular season is not.
Between it being so easy to qualify and abolishing the selection order within the conferences, it's made a ton of the regular season meaningless.  Every win from like 6 to 9 has no impact on anything.
Interesting, I find myself on the other side of it, but because I think the death of the selection order was in a way liberating.
It's probably because UW went to Florida six years in a row from 2004-2009, Orlando four times, and then went back Orlando and Tampa again in 2013-14. I got really tired of being a certain level of good meaning more Florida, more New Year's morning, more upper-but-not-top tier SEC (or middling ACC). I wanted something different. But to get something different meant getting worse. 
On the 6-9 not having impact, I still think CFB is great because every different level of win would elicit a different feeling. In the old system, I watched 7 and 9 win UW teams go to the Russell Athletic Bowl, and each journey felt very different. On the other hand, if you cut bowls you have more teams not looking forward to anything after the season. And I can imagine games at the end of a season with no bowl feel far more meaningless than sitting at 6-3 and imagining 8 or 9. 
(Forgive this tangent, but I kinda started thinking about this)
The weirdest part about bowl proliferation isn't so much that it impacted what used to be 6-5 teams (though the 12-game schedule flattened out that middle). If you look back, P5 teams at 6-5 were still going bowling about half the time. Most 7-4 teams were, and usually when they didn't it was because they lacked the brand.
The biggest difference has been the expansion of G5 franchise. Now there were plenty of G5 (or equivalent) teams reasonably left out, and some weirdly left out. If you were BYU or Air Force, you could often get an invite. Hawaii would because it had a home bowl. But you had 10-1 Toledo, 10-2 Wyoming or Meyer's 8- and 9-win BG teams left home. This helps them, and the ilk below them. 
But what this has created is a bowl arrangement that's still highly segregated, and I get why. P5 teams don't want to earn a spot with a good season and then get a G5 team. It just feels weird. So the only crossover is in bad bowls, 6-6 P5 vs. 7-5 G5 or whatnot. I wish they would tinker with things slightly. Good G5 Buffalo and good G5 Troy faced off, and sad UW and sad Miami will play. If you mixed those matchups at all, maybe interesting. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 23, 2018, 05:27:21 PM
I stand by my belief that in a vacuum a million bowls is a non-issue, but it's impact on the regular season is not.
Between it being so easy to qualify and abolishing the selection order within the conferences, it's made a ton of the regular season meaningless.  Every win from like 6 to 9 has no impact on anything.
I don't think, to fans of a program, that any win has "no impact on anything". 
You don't think fans care whether you're 6-6 or 9-3? 
Getting to 6 is a big thing. But I would have MUCH preferred to be facing Indiana at 7-4, trying for our 8th win of the season, rather than 5-6, just trying to get that 6th.
Yes, bowl selection is more of a crapshoot now, especially since some of those lower-tier bowls are shooting for 5 unique teams in 6 years. 

But nobody ever thought the difference between the Music City Bowl and the Quick Lane Bowl was meaningful anyway. Once you get beyond the top tier of bowls, you're just happy to be going somewhere at all.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 23, 2018, 05:32:19 PM
From yesterday...

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/a8e5b3fbb364966373df9b51e7b6f5de/5CCFEB47/t51.2885-15/e35/46941752_344247853080937_8783121974198930079_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com)
That looks killer man. Tell us what you did.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 23, 2018, 05:35:58 PM
So for tomorrow's family feast I picked up 10 pounds of beef tenderloin roast and after hand trimming, I ended up with 6 pounds of filet mignon and 4 pounds of leftover stuff to grind. 

Should be really good burgers - I'm guessing about 15 percent fat. I'll add more meat, probably brisket. I want to get to 80-20.


Anyway, for the filets, I'm going to do a mushroom/mustard sauce courtesy of Ina Garten. Asparagus, spiraled baked potatoes and a couple more things will round out the meal. I'll post the potato recipe if they turn out stellar. I have a backup - made mashers earlier today - just in case.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 23, 2018, 06:04:37 PM
That looks killer man. Tell us what you did.
Worcestershire sauce, salt, pepper, ancho chile powder. On the smoker with hickory smoking wood until tender. Easy . 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 23, 2018, 08:54:48 PM
225 degrees? or 250?
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 23, 2018, 09:10:53 PM
Secret. If you do not want to watch the thing, I have a quick solution for you.
I don't watch.  But if these G5 q-tip jousts weren't on, maybe they'd spread out the bowls with real, viable football programs.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 23, 2018, 09:12:14 PM
watching Wisconsin USC bowl game on BTN now

chili is in the pot

Vikings/Lions coming up!

my buddy from Michigan is on his way - Lions fan
I felt odd, walking into a Phoenix-area Wallgreens and seeing a guy with a purple Chad Greenway jersey on.  Go Hawkeyes?!
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 23, 2018, 10:13:40 PM
I've met Chad

I was a classmate in high school of his cousin

small town South Dakota kid
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 23, 2018, 10:45:47 PM
I don't think, to fans of a program, that any win has "no impact on anything".
You don't think fans care whether you're 6-6 or 9-3?
Getting to 6 is a big thing. But I would have MUCH preferred to be facing Indiana at 7-4, trying for our 8th win of the season, rather than 5-6, just trying to get that 6th.
Yes, bowl selection is more of a crapshoot now, especially since some of those lower-tier bowls are shooting for 5 unique teams in 6 years.

But nobody ever thought the difference between the Music City Bowl and the Quick Lane Bowl was meaningful anyway. Once you get beyond the top tier of bowls, you're just happy to be going somewhere at all.
Nope.  6-6 is the same as 9-3.  Your bowl selection is totally random.  There used to be significance to being in the Outback over the Sun or whatever.  Now it's a crapshoot.  Once we got bowl eligible, whatever.  I did not care one bit that we lost to OSU or Nebraska.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on December 24, 2018, 12:17:19 AM
I put together a pretty good crab linguine tonight.  I got one too many crab legs at Costco so we did the linguine and it turned out great w a lot of garlic and butter.    

Gonna use the rest on a crab dip on Tuesday.  Not quite ready for the 7 fishes.  Another year perhaps.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Hawkinole on December 24, 2018, 01:17:38 AM
Army drops 70 damn points on Houston. Very nice.

Four passes for 85 yards. 58 carries for 500-plus and eight TDs.
A good running game is what our country wants from our Army. The result was surprising.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 24, 2018, 08:44:32 AM
I don't watch.  But if these G5 q-tip jousts weren't on, maybe they'd spread out the bowls with real, viable football programs.
They probably wouldn’t, and don’t worry, GT-Minnesota and Cal-TCU will be on before you know it. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 24, 2018, 08:45:13 AM
Nope.  6-6 is the same as 9-3.  Your bowl selection is totally random.  There used to be significance to being in the Outback over the Sun or whatever.  Now it's a crapshoot.  Once we got bowl eligible, whatever.  I did not care one bit that we lost to OSU or Nebraska.
Ok, now I feel like this is tongue in cheek. Right? 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 24, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
Army drops 70 damn points on Houston. Very nice.

Four passes for 85 yards. 58 carries for 500-plus and eight TDs.
I didn't watch this game but the stats are mind boggling.  
Army had 27 first downs and only seven third down conversion attempts which means that on 20 of their 27 first downs they converted on either first or second down.  Then, the seven times that Houston did manage to force Army into a third down situation, Army converted ALL seven.  That is unreal.  Here are all of Army's drives:
Only one of their possessions did not result in a TD.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 24, 2018, 10:26:03 AM
225 degrees? or 250?
Ran at about 275 or so... Was worried it wouldn't finish in time at 225.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on December 24, 2018, 10:29:58 AM
Ran at about 275 or so... Was worried it wouldn't finish in time at 225.
285 is my standard for beef ribs.  No worries at all at your temp.  And they looked great, bet they tasted great too.

285 is also pretty much my new standard for brisket, too.  No difference in flavor/texture, and it cooks way way faster.  Only trick is that you have to watch the fire a little closer.  A 50 degree spike at 225 isn't going to hurt, a 50-degree spike at 285 needs to be handled immediately.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 24, 2018, 11:44:38 AM
I didn't watch this game but the stats are mind boggling.  
hah, they obviously used the pass to set up the run
passing 4 out of 4 for 85 yards and a TD
I'm guessing the TE was WIDE open!!!!
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 24, 2018, 01:24:19 PM
285 is my standard for beef ribs.  No worries at all at your temp.  And they looked great, bet they tasted great too.

285 is also pretty much my new standard for brisket, too.  No difference in flavor/texture, and it cooks way way faster.  Only trick is that you have to watch the fire a little closer.  A 50 degree spike at 225 isn't going to hurt, a 50-degree spike at 285 needs to be handled immediately.

Yeah, I've been experimenting with higher temps. For beef, I understand most of the competition folks have moved up to 275. And if it's good enough for Aaron Franklin, it's all fine for me.
I've even done pork shoulder at 350. Works great and I can do it in the morning instead of trying to run the smoker all night. 
In the kamado, temps don't spike, which is nice. Once the vents are set and the temp is stable, it barely varies a few degrees for hours and hours and hours...
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 24, 2018, 01:27:53 PM
Today we cook again. 8# prime rib roast.

It's my wife's tradition going back 20 years, too have her girlfriends over on Christmas Eve for prime rib dinner. 

I'm making a tomato & burrata appetizer, and I'm responsible for grilling some chicken for the younger kids. Not touching the prime rib; this is the one meal of the year where my wife won't let me make the meat lol
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on December 24, 2018, 02:28:15 PM
My Mom always controlled any prime rib in our house.  She used to make a sign on the oven door threatening the four males to stay away.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 24, 2018, 03:47:42 PM
My Mom always controlled any prime rib in our house.  She used to make a sign on the oven door threatening the four males to stay away.  
Oh, threats were made :)
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on December 24, 2018, 04:19:53 PM
I did some smoked pork tenderloin for Christmas Eve dinner tonight.  I love it because it's quick and easy and so delicious.

We normally have turkey for Christmas dinner but my dad decided to revive our OLD tradition of smoked standing rib roast so that's what I'll be eating tomorrow around 2 PM, can't wait.



Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on December 24, 2018, 04:24:45 PM
Yeah, I've been experimenting with higher temps. For beef, I understand most of the competition folks have moved up to 275. And if it's good enough for Aaron Franklin, it's all fine for me.
I've even done pork shoulder at 350. Works great and I can do it in the morning instead of trying to run the smoker all night.
In the kamado, temps don't spike, which is nice. Once the vents are set and the temp is stable, it barely varies a few degrees for hours and hours and hours...
The competition folks I know are generally around 315.  They're typically using offsets and have to watch it closely.   The nice thing about 225 is that it's completely fool-proof, even beginners can get it completely perfect.  Unless they undercook it which is a common mistake.
But these days I figure I've done enough, that I'm happy to go 285 and finish a few hours quicker.
I'll do pork butt at 300, but 350 works fine too.  It has so much fat and connective tissue distributed throughout, it's an extremely forgiving cut.

Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 24, 2018, 07:34:55 PM
really enjoying the oyster stew tonight

since it's just me I had no fear of undercooking the oysters, they are possibly perfect

and my grilled cheese sammich has a bit of garlic as it should

pares well with Bud Heavy
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 24, 2018, 07:38:30 PM
In my family, there were no notes.  If something got gone too early, they'd just make double the following year.  



I also had a grilled cheese yesterday, with bacon and a spicy sun dried tomato mayo on it.  Amazing.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 24, 2018, 07:40:51 PM
I usually have a slice of ham on my grilled cheese on Xmas eve
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 24, 2018, 08:49:28 PM
A ham, one could say, is a main character of the funny book, "The Pirates! in an Adventure with Scientists".
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 24, 2018, 09:12:16 PM
Ok, now I feel like this is tongue in cheek. Right?
No.  I'd have preferred winning to losing.  But I felt nothing after the loss because the result had no impact on anything.  We weren't going to Indy, or to the NY6, and whatever bowl we wound up in at that point had nothing to do with how we did in those games.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 24, 2018, 10:15:34 PM
No.  I'd have preferred winning to losing.  But I felt nothing after the loss because the result had no impact on anything.  We weren't going to Indy, or to the NY6, and whatever bowl we wound up in at that point had nothing to do with how we did in those games.
Interesting. The sort of imbalances of bowl season ended up making the regular season success more intrinsically valuable for me. I kind of stopped thinking of playing for a spot at 10 on New Year’s morning, perhaps because I got tired of valuing that as a specific playout. 
Different strokes for different folks I guess. 
(Maybe it has something to do with a pair of back-to-backs when I was in school. UW would play in one bowl, finish two games better and land in the same place. Really made the Champ Sports/Alamo/Outback/Citrus jockeying less interesting)
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on December 26, 2018, 07:17:01 AM
Christmas is over, the kids have all their toys, and now dad can sink in for a whole week of college football.  Finally some B1G play as we see Paul Johnson's last game against Minny
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on December 26, 2018, 08:16:01 AM
I actually took my tree down last night.  Weather was perfect, nobody objected, and it's 3+ days til the weekend, didn't want it up that long.  I'm usually do it on the 26th.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 26, 2018, 08:19:28 AM
Ours will come down Saturday.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on December 26, 2018, 10:35:50 AM
I like having it sit around with all the toys and stuff around it for a while.  Will probably take stuff down around New Year's.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 26, 2018, 11:09:09 AM
No.  I'd have preferred winning to losing.  But I felt nothing after the loss because the result had no impact on anything.  We weren't going to Indy, or to the NY6, and whatever bowl we wound up in at that point had nothing to do with how we did in those games.
Wow... That's more jaded than I expected of you, ELA... 
Maybe it's just that I'm happy to be in any bowl at this point, but I was never really that worried about bowl selection. In some ways I actually like the idea that the bowls try to rotate teams non-sensically in order to ensure that the same fan base doesn't end up at the same location multiple years in a row. 
I realize some of the "prestige" of the bowl pecking order is gone. And IMHO the Quick Lane Bowl in Detroit still sucks. But outside of that, the bowls were just hopefully a reason for a vacation warmer than the Midwest, or in NYC's case, at least interesting enough to be a destination even if cold. 
But not caring about a loss? If Purdue is 7-4 and loses to Indiana to close out the year 7-5, I'll still be pissed off about the loss. It has nothing to do with bowl order. It's that watching my team lose a football game harms my Saturday fall experience. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 26, 2018, 11:10:40 AM
We have an artificial tree, so thankfully there's no huge rush to get it down. I generally like to do it sooner rather than later, but it looks like this year it might not be until next week sometime. Between work for the next few days and preparing to go to Paso Robles for New Years, we won't have much time for this. Heck, it might not even be until the weekend of Jan 5...
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2018, 11:37:01 AM
I didn't put up a tree.  the interior decorations will come down when the daughter that put them up decides it's time - hard telling, she's not much into hard scheduling

the exterior lights will come down and into the dumpster when the weather and time permits

the next few days look crappy for weather, rain, snow, wind
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 26, 2018, 11:45:59 AM
In some ways I actually like the idea that the bowls try to rotate teams non-sensically in order to ensure that the same fan base doesn't end up at the same location multiple years in a row. 
I kinda like it too, for three reasons:
First, for fans who live outside of the conference area and particularly for fans like you who live reasonably close to some of the Bowls that our conference partners with it is nice because it increases the chances of Purdue playing in your area.  Without the rotation your team might make bowl eligibility years and years in a row without ever getting to Santa Clara or San Diego.  With the rotation that is relatively unlikely.  
Second, for local fans who like to travel that variety is nice.  I think that most of us would rather go to San Diego one New Years and Tampa/Orlando the next rather than going to the same place every year.  
Third, at least in theory, it should create variety of opponents.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 26, 2018, 01:14:00 PM
UW had an excellent reputation for bowl travel until Florida happened 7 years in a row. So yes, rotation is good. They had a really nice turnout in San Diego and Dallas. Not bad in Miami either, last year. The next Orlando or Tampa trip is too soon, even if it's in 10 years.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 26, 2018, 01:42:35 PM
Is there an area more apathetic about college football than the Bay Area?  Why does Santa Clara even bother?  Might as well have the NCG in Time Square.....
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 26, 2018, 03:55:01 PM
Finally get to watch a bowl game since I'm working from home this week, and it's canceled due to lightning.

Granted, the fans who traveled for the game and got to see about 1 quarter of football have a lot more to gripe about than I, but still... 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 26, 2018, 04:00:48 PM
Finally get to watch a bowl game since I'm working from home this week, and it's canceled due to lightning.

Granted, the fans who traveled for the game and got to see about 1 quarter of football have a lot more to gripe about than I, but still...
No kidding.  Glad they played that game in the south.  Would have sucked to be indoors in Minneapolis
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 26, 2018, 04:04:52 PM
Pretty weak sauce....
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 26, 2018, 04:08:08 PM
can't believe there weren't higher powers who said you absolutely can't cancel a bowl game like this. All that money in travel and missed Christmas. To know this is a possibility, has to hurt future bowl travel in general, not to mention the headaches the schools are going to face in people demanding money back. The fans who travelled to this one probably weren't a bunch of joe schmoes who have no leverage to demand such things

Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2018, 04:16:53 PM
couldn't they stay overnight in some run down closed up dorms and played the remainder of the game tomorrow?
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 26, 2018, 04:29:40 PM
couldn't they stay overnight in some run down closed up dorms and played the remainder of the game tomorrow?
Panzies. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 26, 2018, 04:59:56 PM
couldn't they stay overnight in some run down closed up dorms and played the remainder of the game tomorrow?
I have to imagine Dallas has plenty of openings on December 26
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 26, 2018, 05:04:03 PM
Is there an area more apathetic about college football than the Bay Area?  Why does Santa Clara even bother?  Might as well have the NCG in Time Square.....
I dunno, I don't think it's that bad.
I realize that for someone used to the Southeast, pretty much anywhere else is apathetic by comparison. But the Bay Area does have some good things going for it...

I get your complaint, as the western US in general isn't as CFB-aligned as a lot of the rest of the country. But I wouldn't say that the Bay Area is terrible... And I think it's better than NYC.
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Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 26, 2018, 05:09:28 PM
Is there an area more apathetic about college football than the Bay Area?  Why does Santa Clara even bother?  Might as well have the NCG in Time Square.....
New England
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on December 26, 2018, 05:36:27 PM
Gophers looking spry early
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: GopherRock on December 26, 2018, 05:48:20 PM
The Pizza Bowl is starting better than I was expecting. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 26, 2018, 05:48:34 PM
Does Georgia Tech's punter also play fullback?

That's a big boy.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: GopherRock on December 26, 2018, 06:27:25 PM
What's the yardage and time of possession in this one? GT has only run about 15 plays. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: TyphonInc on December 26, 2018, 06:36:03 PM
GT's defense playing "dirty" after the whistle. Lot's of jawing, and pushing. Finally getting called for it to extend the Gopher Drive. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 26, 2018, 06:40:20 PM
Ugh, crappy 6 point swing there.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on December 26, 2018, 06:42:54 PM
Minny played well but only up 10 at half
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: GopherRock on December 26, 2018, 06:46:01 PM
I'd feel a lot better if the Gophers would have finished one of those FG drives. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: GopherRock on December 26, 2018, 07:14:08 PM
The Ramblin' Wreck appears to have skidded into the catch fence. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: TyphonInc on December 26, 2018, 07:16:27 PM
Umm, yah where is the review?

Either incomplete, or TD are the only 2 options, and the refs say nope mark it at the 3.
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 26, 2018, 07:17:22 PM
These announcers are kind of stupid
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 26, 2018, 07:17:34 PM
Umm, yah where is the review?

Either incomplete, or TD are the only 2 options, and the refs say nope mark it at the 3.
If there is not enough evidence to overturn, they HAVE to call incomplete, right?
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Post by: TyphonInc on December 26, 2018, 07:19:31 PM
If there is not enough evidence to overturn, they HAVE to call incomplete, right?
O. M. Goodness! That call can NOT be held.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 26, 2018, 07:20:16 PM
Inadvertent whistle? Seriously? That's what they're going to call? 
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Post by: TyphonInc on December 26, 2018, 07:20:33 PM
Glad they were still able to get the TD. This is several degrees of incompetence going on. 
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 26, 2018, 07:21:17 PM
Ibrahim looking to be a load next year
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 26, 2018, 07:21:56 PM
I mean, in my view that was clearly a touchdown. But if the call on the field is that he stepped out with THE FOOT THAT WOULD HAVE MADE IT A LEGAL CATCH, I don't see how "the call stands" and keeping it a catch makes any sense.

And come on... You're gonna say that the official was all over the whistle in the 3 yards between the catch and the end zone? 

I don't get it.
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Post by: TyphonInc on December 26, 2018, 07:29:53 PM
I mean, in my view that was clearly a touchdown. But if the call on the field is that he stepped out with THE FOOT THAT WOULD HAVE MADE IT A LEGAL CATCH, I don't see how "the call stands" and keeping it a catch makes any sense.

And come on... You're gonna say that the official was all over the whistle in the 3 yards between the catch and the end zone?

I don't get it.
Neither do I.  
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 26, 2018, 08:15:38 PM
Outrushing the Jackets is no small feat.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2018, 08:19:08 PM
I get your complaint, as the western US in general isn't as CFB-aligned as a lot of the rest of the country. But I wouldn't say that the Bay Area is terrible... And I think it's better than NYC.
way better
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Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2018, 08:19:54 PM
Outrushing the Jackets is no small feat.
Jackets were not playing Houston
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 26, 2018, 08:24:24 PM
Attaboy Gophers. 
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Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2018, 09:02:03 PM
kept the oars in the water
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Post by: ELA on December 26, 2018, 09:09:57 PM
I feel like the end of this season may have been a program turning point
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Post by: bayareabadger on December 26, 2018, 10:04:41 PM
 Parts of that felt a little like the Wisconsin game where Minnesota just kept pushing and piling up the lead. 

This Fleck team seems more blue collar than the last. Will be interesting to see how it goes. 
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Post by: GopherRock on December 26, 2018, 10:05:24 PM
Pleasantly surprised at the Gopher turnout tonight down at Ford Field. 

That game was a straight up @$$ whoopin'. The triple option never really got going until or was too late. Best all-around game from the Gophers this year. Ibrahim and an OL that was super green early but came on in a rush down the stretch. 

If only PJ had cashiered Robb Smith earlier. 
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Post by: Benthere2 on December 26, 2018, 10:17:24 PM
I feel like the end of this season may have been a program turning point
I sure hope this leads to something more.  they get a lot of people back next year (in case you havent heard) the Gophers were one of the youngest teams in all of college football
8 Freshman were starting on offense in the bowl game.  and only 1 senior
only 3 defensive starters not coming back
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 26, 2018, 10:18:40 PM
Mr. Oar seems to have the Goophers on the right track. That was a really good win to get the B1G started in bowl season. 



Hopefully UW can maintain tomorrow.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 26, 2018, 10:26:20 PM
Sloppy Bowl in Phoenix between Cal & TCU. Not sure I’ve seen so many interceptions in one half. Six so far?
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Post by: TyphonInc on December 26, 2018, 10:29:34 PM
I'm hatin' on the refs again.

32 seconds till the half Cal gets a first down. Cal starts setting up expecting the clock to be stopped as it's supposed to be. But the Ref rears it's ugly head, says to roll the clock anyway. 8 Seconds tick off, Cal freaks out trying to get a play off, leading to an off-sides call, a time-out burned to save another 10 seconds. Everyone on Cal's complaining, leading to the next play of INT.

What was setting up to be a half ending field goal attempt to take a two possession lead, implodes because of should be basic ref'ing 101 type mistake. Err.

Edit: Granted, at any point Cal could have righted the ship, but they shouldn't have to fight the opponent, clock, and refs at the same time.
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Post by: TyphonInc on December 27, 2018, 12:18:57 AM
was so hoping this game ended on an interception.

9 Cheeze-I(n)T during the game.
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Post by: Kris60 on December 27, 2018, 10:07:59 AM
John Buccigross’s SportsCenter highlights of TCU-Cal was much more entertaining than the game.
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 27, 2018, 10:10:45 AM
It was a solid reel.      That game was the greatest supporting evidence for bringing back the 'tie'.
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 27, 2018, 11:13:20 AM
Hopefully UW can maintain tomorrow.
Driving the in-laws van to Florida tonight and tomorrow.  According to the interwebs I can listen to the Wisconsin/Miami game on Sirius 84 so I'll be doing that.  I hope so too, would be great to get off to a 2-0 start!
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 27, 2018, 11:20:47 AM
So we are 1-0 with the following to go (lines from worldwide leader):

If all the favorites win we'll finish 4-5.  Hopefully the favorites can hold and at least one of our underdogs and pull off an upset.  
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 27, 2018, 12:10:24 PM
Glad I didn't go to the Cheez-It Bowl, in hindsight.  Yeeesh.  
I'm no longer going to the Fiesta, my friend from Vegas isn't coming down.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 27, 2018, 12:40:00 PM
Driving the in-laws van to Florida tonight and tomorrow.  According to the interwebs I can listen to the Wisconsin/Miami game on Sirius 84 so I'll be doing that.  I hope so too, would be great to get off to a 2-0 start!
If you have bluetooth to the radio, there's also TuneIn Radio. I got the [free] app for my phone and have been able to listen to every Purdue football or basketball game when on the road and can't watch. 
It's also nice as the feed is the Purdue sports radio network, so home or away you get the homer announcers. 
XM usually has the home team's announcers, although for the bowl game it might be a neutral crew. Our recent car purchase included XM, so on the way back from Oregon after Thanksgiving I was listening to Purdue @ IU via XM. It was annoying to have to listen to the IU homers... Although fun to hear their lamentations when Purdue was winning ;-) 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 27, 2018, 12:42:38 PM

If all the favorites win we'll finish 4-5.  Hopefully the favorites can hold and at least one of our underdogs and pull off an upset.  
Well, Purdue and Iowa are dogs to unmotivated SEC teams, so maybe one of them can win ;-) 
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Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2018, 12:46:07 PM
and the Badgers won't turn over the ball because they are afraid of the chain

another upset win
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 27, 2018, 01:37:14 PM
A repeat of last year with everyone winning except for the Wolverines would be ideal.
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 27, 2018, 01:53:59 PM
A repeat of last year with everyone winning except for the Wolverines would be ideal.\
One of the last, if not the last post by Marcel (@nuwildcat ) was one where he was commending all of the B1G Bowl teams (except Michigan of course).  Sad.  
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 27, 2018, 01:57:27 PM
Found it:

<br />(https://i.ibb.co/cNvq5xS/image.png) (https://ibb.co/cNvq5xS)<br />
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 27, 2018, 02:02:44 PM
That GaTech offense often does poorly in bowls because of time for preparation against it.

And, this is the last we'll see of it anyway, yay.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2018, 02:30:20 PM
RT David Edwards will miss his 3rd straight game and not play today. ILB Ryan Connolly had surgery and will not play today. QB Alex Hornibrook will not play due to concussion symptoms. Pretty sure everyone knows about that one by now. Everyone else is a go.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2018, 02:42:26 PM
That GaTech offense often does poorly in bowls because of time for preparation against it.

And, this is the last we'll see of it anyway, yay.
apparently, Houston did not use their preparation time well

2016 TaxSlayer Bowl - Kentucky was no match for that offense

2014 Capital One Orange Bowl - Mississippi St. was no match for that offense

2012 Hyundai Sun Bowl - UCS Trojans were no match for that offense

but, Paul Johnson's bowl record is about 50/50 - about an average bowl record
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Post by: bayareabadger on December 27, 2018, 02:49:37 PM
apparently, Houston did not use their preparation time well
I think it tends to be a little confirmation bias, granted Tech did eat it. Bowls are weird. 
I recall not long ago, we were told uptempo offenses were the same way. Some data would be interesting, if anyone wanted to dig in. 
Now the option returns to the realm of only the service academies and a few other schools. It’ll always be an interesting part of the sport, I hope. Will be interested to see if Collins can change that program like folks hope. 
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 27, 2018, 04:25:49 PM
This Duke Temple game got a lot less interesting as soon as I turned it on
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2018, 04:32:56 PM
Making NY strips and home made frittes tonight. Strips will have a shallot and herb butter sauce, and copious amounts of salt and pepper. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
Well damn. Starting DE is out too.


(https://mobile.twitter.com/Jason_Galloway)(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/760564547908362240/We4nDLKV_bigger.jpg)
 (https://mobile.twitter.com/Jason_Galloway)
 (https://mobile.twitter.com/Jason_Galloway)Jason Galloway

@Jason_Galloway
 (https://mobile.twitter.com/Jason_Galloway)


Kayden Lyles not dressed for the #Badgers (https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/Badgers?src=hashtag_click) today.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2018, 05:09:29 PM
nice pic of Jason
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 27, 2018, 05:27:29 PM
No trouble for Wiscy there
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 27, 2018, 05:30:41 PM
Rosier starting? Dear God,  Miami qb sit. Worse than Wisc .
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 27, 2018, 05:31:14 PM
Welp. 14-0 Wisconsin.

I guess Miami isn't motivated. Or maybe they're just cold and homesick.
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 27, 2018, 05:32:32 PM
Gimme another
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 27, 2018, 05:41:16 PM
Went to the pistol range today w 2 old men and my Dad.  Good times. Lots of young people out today too.  Somebody had a particularly loud weapon .
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 27, 2018, 05:49:23 PM
Man what a terrible pick
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Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2018, 06:20:25 PM
Went to the pistol range today w 2 old men and my Dad.  Good times. Lots of young people out today too.  Somebody had a particularly loud weapon .
Older Men at the Firing Range - YouTube

 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMDHdt8WIwE)
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Post by: ELA on December 27, 2018, 06:22:10 PM
This Duke Temple game got a lot less interesting as soon as I turned it on
With Herbert coming back, Daniel Jones made himself some money today.
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Post by: ELA on December 27, 2018, 06:23:24 PM
Gags is right.
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Post by: ELA on December 27, 2018, 06:28:29 PM
Good Lord Miami is terrible
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Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2018, 06:35:23 PM
Badgers allowing Miami to keep this a game
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 27, 2018, 06:37:45 PM
I like how the announcers keep pumping up Miami's defense no matter what happens on the field
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 27, 2018, 06:40:24 PM
Wisconsin missed two field goals, had a horrible pick to erase a scoring chance, and had a touchdown called back on a really light call. Announcers says story of game is Miami's defense, which is on pace to give up 300 yards rushing
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 27, 2018, 06:41:44 PM
Badgers allowing Miami to keep this a game
Bucky better stop faffing around.They should have at least 6 more pts,at least.Luckily The Canes left their offense in Coral Gables
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 27, 2018, 06:43:49 PM
Gags is right.
Great nick name - at least tonite
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2018, 06:56:47 PM
They need to stop leaving points on the field. By my count it's at least 12, and possibly more. UW should be administering a blowout right now. But no.


Something is wrong with Gags - all season. Next man up. I've seen enough.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 27, 2018, 07:08:54 PM
I watch as many of these bowls as I can and so far this season’s seem particularly unattended and plagued with sloppy play, corny-er than usual sponsorships, and players sitting out, to partly include the Pinstripe in-progress (mainly the sloppy play). Good thing the NFL is having a wild end to their season.

edit: I guess when Chryst needs a mulligan for his possible hot seat, come on down Miami! Feels like I watch a bowl between the Canes & Badgers every other year going back to the crocodile neck coach who tried to be a Razorback.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 27, 2018, 07:16:12 PM
Alright UW time to sack up.Hand the Ball to Taylor - every fookin' play.Even on 4th - time for separation
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Post by: ELA on December 27, 2018, 07:18:06 PM
I didn't watch many until yesterday, but I've watched chunks of all yesterday and today, and yes, the level of play is miserable.
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Post by: ELA on December 27, 2018, 07:19:20 PM
edit: I guess when Chryst needs a mulligan for his possible hot seat, come on down Miami! Feels like I watch a bowl between the Canes & Badgers every other year going back to the crocodile neck coach who tried to be a Razorback.
I think his seat is far from hot.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2018, 07:23:06 PM
Coan isn't helping

just run the ball
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Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2018, 07:23:20 PM
gotta luv the fullback!!!
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 27, 2018, 07:23:34 PM
Alright UW
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2018, 07:26:19 PM
Shudder to think what this team would be without JT. 
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 27, 2018, 07:27:23 PM
Coan isn't helping

just run the ball
I am amazed at the production the Wiscy rushing offense gets when the QB doesn't run and can't throw.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 27, 2018, 07:31:17 PM
Well Sam for the most part Lombardi would have loved to have those lines
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 27, 2018, 07:34:18 PM
 Beautiful sight.    Badgers cleansing their souls by smashing a team from the south.  I love this.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 27, 2018, 07:39:02 PM
I think his seat is far from hot.
I agree re: Paul, but with the questioning and level of misery I’ve seen Badger fans bitching on their own board this season you would think they’d rather miss out on a Bowl and focus on recruiting.
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 27, 2018, 07:48:42 PM
This is a demolition
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 27, 2018, 07:54:05 PM
So how does this turnover chain work? Is this a traveling trophy that the Badgers can take back to Madison now? 
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Post by: ELA on December 27, 2018, 07:59:34 PM
This is a demolition
Not even as close as the scoreboard.  I started watching hockey.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 27, 2018, 08:01:16 PM
I'm disappointed that the Canes are not dressed as though they are on an arctic voyage like the last time that they played the Badgers. 
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 27, 2018, 08:07:25 PM
atta boy Bucky
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 27, 2018, 08:08:14 PM
I am old fashioned.  I am proud of our conference for what Minnesota and Wisconsin just did!
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 27, 2018, 08:11:52 PM
2 games 2 blowouts hope Purdue brings it tomorrow
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Post by: bayareabadger on December 27, 2018, 08:25:39 PM
 I am pleased they broke out the game plan from the 2015 outback bowl. I’m also impressed at how truly awful the Miami offense is
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2018, 08:42:33 PM
Ya know what? I'm very happy with this finish. 5 bowl wins in a row. Auburn, USC, Miami^2 and the undefeated row boats from WMU. Bowl wins make the 9 months a whole lot easier to get through.


I'm randomly thinking Miami is tired of playing UW, kinda like UCLA was 17 years ago. UW being the dog in all of the games, I think, including last year. Ah well.


People forget Coan is a good athlete. If, and it's a very big IF, Hornibrook comes back, there needs to be a true QB race in the Spring. Coan was a decorated LX player in HS. The kid is tough and he can run. That, and you have the highest rated QB recruit in UW history coming in January. Open it up.


Randomly thinking Part 2. Everyone stay away from Jim Leonhard. He's a Badger. Bugger off.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2018, 08:45:17 PM
I am pleased they broke out the game plan from the 2015 outback bowl. I’m also impressed at how truly awful the Miami offense is
Jimmy's D had a little bit to say about that. And HCPC is mumbling somewhere...
"Turnover Chain my F*&^% Arse"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ic6WpfbTGY
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2018, 09:15:58 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dvd0vbRWsAAo7Mq.jpg)
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Post by: bayareabadger on December 27, 2018, 10:36:50 PM
Ya know what? I'm very happy with this finish. 5 bowl wins in a row. Auburn, USC, Miami^2 and the undefeated row boats from WMU. Bowl wins make the 9 months a whole lot easier to get through.


I'm randomly thinking Miami is tired of playing UW, kinda like UCLA was 17 years ago. UW being the dog in all of the games, I think, including last year. Ah well.


People forget Coan is a good athlete. If, and it's a very big IF, Hornibrook comes back, there needs to be a true QB race in the Spring. Coan was a decorated LX player in HS. The kid is tough and he can run. That, and you have the highest rated QB recruit in UW history coming in January. Open it up.


Randomly thinking Part 2. Everyone stay away from Jim Leonhard. He's a Badger. Bugger off.
This is why bowls will remain. 30 teams get a nice little finish to the crappiest of seasons. 
As for QB, need someone who throws a lot better than Coan tonight. Whoever does that gets the job. If it’s Coan, AOK. I think AH has broken our brains re: QB running. Coan was a few ticks better than Stocco. 
(I’ll always believe 90 percent of QB battles are too a degree open. PC knows what he’s looking at. If someone is good enough, he’ll get the job)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 06:19:58 AM
Ya gotta be able to move a tiny bit. AH can't do that. As far as breaking our brains, well, maybe. I just want to see the pocket move and a QB draw here and there.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 07:42:34 AM
I was enjoying the Baylor-Vandy game but decided to go to bed.  I guess the game was pretty entertaining.

Baylor was 1-11 last season.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2018, 10:07:20 AM
I stayed up for it

needed Vandy to win

wager with my brother - his daughter attends Baylor
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Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2018, 10:09:20 AM
Beautiful sight.    Badgers cleansing their souls by smashing a team from the south.  I love this.
not just the south
Florida
and not just Florida
the Canes!
GO BUCKY!!!
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 10:14:03 AM
Miami reminded me of my over generalization that ACC teams are "soft in the lines" (aside from Clemson).

They may be athletic and quick, but they can be smash mouthed.

They probably should avoid playing Wisconsin.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2018, 10:25:00 AM
no wonder no one will come to Wisconsin to play a non-con game!
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 10:47:35 AM
Maybe the issue is with Wisconsin as other teams seem able to attract OOC opponents.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 10:56:36 AM
Maybe the issue is with Wisconsin as other teams seem able to attract OOC opponents.
On the docket for the future is Notre Dame (Green Bay/Chicago - not home/away), and H/A with Washington State, Virginia Tech, Pitt and UCLA. They also have an H/A with Hawaii, which is cool for the kids, and games set up at USF and home with Army. 

So they can get H/A series set up with "like" schools, but no helmet is coming to Madison. The helmets are chicken.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 10:57:37 AM
As I have noted, other programs similar to Wisconsin seem able to schedule "helmet schools" OOC.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 28, 2018, 11:12:06 AM
We know that King Barry doesn't like having to play the B1G East helmets. Or MSU.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 11:29:25 AM
As I have noted, other programs similar to Wisconsin seem able to schedule "helmet schools" OOC.
UCLA (and the like) is about the best they will get, to come to Madison. Helmets will play Wisconsin on a neutral site, for sure. Might have something to do with UW's home record over the past 25 years. It's 80%. Bama's is 79. Michigan's is 78. Texas is 77. But one of those is not like the others, right?
Ohio State is close to 90 percent, which is incredible. I'm just happy that UW is a part of the other 10 percent of that.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 11:36:43 AM
Why can UCLA attract "helmet" opponents?  Why can other similar programs do the same?

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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 12:03:22 PM
Why can UCLA attract "helmet" opponents?  Why can other similar programs do the same?


Fertile recruiting grounds, perhaps. Why else would UW do a H/A with USF?
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 12:09:51 PM
I don't think Georgia recruits from California very much at all, nor Arizona, nor Oklahoma, nor Colorado, nor around South Bend, nor Texas.  They did sign a 5 star QB from Washington state, but they'd never played out there (and he left).

I also tend to doubt playing a game in a region aids recruiting very often.

But if this is a factor for Wisconsin scheduling helmet schools, then there is naught to be done about it.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2018, 12:14:44 PM
playing a single game in a region doesn't help much - but it doesn't hurt - might get one kid or two

Huskers tried to play quite a few games in Cali or the west coast to build some good will.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 12:17:49 PM
Playing Georgia has a lot more cache than playing Wisconsin. 
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Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2018, 12:18:44 PM
according to ESPN
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 12:28:56 PM
Playing Georgia has a lot more cache than playing Wisconsin.
Maybe it does, but why does Georgia schedule programs like UCLA?
It's not as if the Big Dogs however defined only play other Big Dogs OOC.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 12:57:34 PM
Bama is neutral-only for most schools. They are doing a H/A with Texas (another helmet). 



Georgia has 3 "neutrals" on the future schedule - all in Atlanta. It's good that they are going to LA though. It's a cool place to visit, and the stadium is pretty cool too.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 28, 2018, 01:18:19 PM
If recruiting was the driving force, then the helmets would be lining up to play @Wisconsin in order to line their pockets with some of those gigantic OLineman. 
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Post by: ELA on December 28, 2018, 01:20:11 PM
If recruiting was the driving force, then the helmets would be lining up to play @Wisconsin in order to line their pockets with some of those gigantic OLineman.
They wouldn't know what to do with them if they got them.  The concept of developing guys who don't show up looking like NFL players is foreign to most of them
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Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2018, 01:32:26 PM
why wait a couple years when you can simply recruit NFL guys and insert them into the 2-deep?
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Post by: ELA on December 28, 2018, 01:35:58 PM
why wait a couple years when you can simply recruit NFL guys and insert them into the 2-deep?
Right, I don't blame them.
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Post by: ELA on December 28, 2018, 01:37:21 PM
Why does ESPN feel the need to overhype the CFP during other bowl games?  If you are watching the Music City Bowl, you know the playoffs are tomorrow.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 01:39:36 PM
Why does ESPN feel the need to overhype the CFP during other bowl games?  If you are watching the Music City Bowl, you know the playoffs are tomorrow.
AMEN to this post.  AMEN three time.  
I was tired of it last year as well.  YES WE KNOW WHO PLAYS WHEN!!!!#^$%^$Y&^%*&#*&
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Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2018, 01:39:58 PM
I suppose there's the off chance that a Purdue basketball fan is tuned into the Music City bowl, knows little about college football and might find it interesting

but, I agree
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Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2018, 01:40:25 PM
that was quick

SEC speed!
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 01:40:32 PM
I gather they lacked for real advertisers selling us car insurance from companies that also sell home insurance etc.

And meals for men wanting to lose weight.  And some pill that will make me more manly.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 01:41:19 PM
They wouldn't know what to do with them if they got them.  The concept of developing guys who don't show up looking like NFL players is foreign to most of them
Ding ding ding. I wonder if any OSU fans knew who Michael Deiter (Genoa, OH) was 5 years ago. Just an example.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 01:42:52 PM
AMEN to this post.  AMEN three time.  
I was tired of it last year as well.  YES WE KNOW WHO PLAYS WHEN!!!!#^$%^$Y&^%*&#*&
Mrs. 847 was waiting last night to watch the Clemson/ND game after the Badgers got done. I told her that wasn't until Saturday, and she said "Why are they spending so much time on it during the Badger game?"
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 01:43:17 PM
Wisconsin certainly is THE "book" on taking nobodies and making them NFL linemen.

It's rather amazing, especially when one consider's how many weak OLs exist out there.

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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 01:44:17 PM
I feel a bit saddened for Mark Richt.  I can't help him any of course.  He's a truly nice guy (most of the time).

I fear he's just in a bad spot.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 28, 2018, 01:52:59 PM
This is what happens when a team on the cusp of top-10 talent in the 2018, the 2-year, and the 5-year recruiting rankings underachieves to face a team that is 49th, 62nd, and 69th in those same rankings.
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2018, 01:54:23 PM
Welp
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2018, 01:58:17 PM
Purdue allowed more points in the first seven minutes then the first two Big Ten teams did in their two games combined
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2018, 01:58:23 PM
Welp
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2018, 01:59:36 PM
This defensive effort is...real bad
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 28, 2018, 02:07:01 PM
Yikes, this is not going well.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 28, 2018, 02:08:27 PM
I feel a bit saddened for Mark Richt.  I can't help him any of course.  He's a truly nice guy (most of the time).

I fear he's just in a bad spot.
I think most nice guys would wan't to be in his tough spot 
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2018, 02:15:59 PM
Good answer. If they can get in the way on defense they can compete
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 28, 2018, 02:17:03 PM
Gotta help. Hopefully the defense will get some energy from that... Now they know that if you give the offense the ball, they can not only score, but they can sustain a drive and score. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 28, 2018, 02:19:04 PM
Never mind.
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2018, 02:19:29 PM
Welp
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Post by: WhiskeyM on December 28, 2018, 02:44:44 PM
The Purdue defense does not have the athletes.  It will take Brohm another couple years to get them up to par.  Doesn't help that 3 defensive starters are injured.  This was always a bad match up for the Boiler D.

The offense needs to stop trying to be cute.  The timing plays are working.  Attacking downfield on 3 step drops is working.  Stick with more of that.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 02:45:59 PM
Welp.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 02:46:40 PM
Auburn has some talent, but they are just not very good.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2018, 02:47:52 PM
Time to check in on my PlayStation
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 02:48:22 PM
Auburn is kind of the antithesis of Wisconsin, like Miami really.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 02:48:59 PM
This esecpn announcer talks too much.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 02:49:23 PM
Keep your team in a positive state ... Dude.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 02:50:04 PM
Auburn is losing the ToP battle big time.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 28, 2018, 02:53:40 PM
Gotta help. Hopefully the defense will get some energy from that... Now they know that if you give the offense the ball, they can not only score, but they can sustain a drive and score.
Purdue is just completely overmatched on both sides of the lines, to the point Auburn realized they didn’t even need to worry about Stidham’s first few inaccurate passes. They could simply reel off 10 yard runs because their OL was so much stronger than Purdue’s defensive front. Honestly think Auburn is a little surprised by the ease they’re having; they likely expected the Purdue that showed took down the Buckeyes.
But hey, it’s no knock on Purdue or a setback to the program. The big guys that’ll stand up to the Auburns and OSUs are currently in the redshirt/recruiting pipeline and I have full confidence in Coach Brohm. Look at that Moore speedster - reminds me of Percy Harvin’s Gators days.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 02:54:18 PM
Auburn passes on fourth and three.  Blech. 

42-7.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
Going for it again on fourth down.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2018, 02:59:18 PM
6 TDs
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 02:59:47 PM
There have been a couple bowl blow outs this year.  49-7?
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 03:08:39 PM
Getting chippy and ugly.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 03:09:04 PM
Fire Brohm.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 28, 2018, 03:21:32 PM
Went to take a shower at 28-7, came out it was 42-7. Went to Target for the honey-do list because there was no point in watching. Got back and it was 56-7. 

Ugly in every possible way. Auburn playing to their talent level and Purdue simply cannot hang with them.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 28, 2018, 03:25:24 PM
Looks like ole Brutus was right about teams crashing back to Earth after playing possessed vs the Buckeyes.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 03:29:11 PM
Looks like ole Brutus was right about teams crashing back to Earth after playing possessed vs the Buckeyes.
Perhaps, but the national story line will be that THIS is why Ohio State is not in the playoffs. Ohio State lost to THIS. The Big Ten sucks, and all that.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2018, 03:33:59 PM
Yeeesh
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 28, 2018, 03:34:19 PM
I'm not right about stuff very often, but have seen this narrative unfold on countless occasions. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2018, 03:35:31 PM
I feel a bit saddened for Mark Richt.  I can't help him any of course.  He's a truly nice guy (most of the time).

I fear he's just in a bad spot.
Why?  
He's nice...and?
He's in the job he applied for and accepted.  
He's a grown man millionaire who "fell" to a helmet program...why would anyone spend a moment feeling sad for him?!?
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 03:36:49 PM
I feel sad for Richt.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2018, 03:39:36 PM
Tennessee beat Auburn @ Auburn.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2018, 03:41:16 PM
yeah, but Auburn is motivated today

the question is why?
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 03:56:42 PM
Sometimes, stuff just clicks for a team.

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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 03:57:07 PM
yeah, but Auburn is motivated today

the question is why?
Because teams get motivated to play games and win?
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 28, 2018, 03:59:35 PM
Looks like ole Brutus was right about teams crashing back to Earth after playing possessed vs the Buckeyes.
This remains a highly generous interpretation. Teams that lose to Eastern Michigan are often not great. That one of the most talented teams in the country couldn’t do the same might just say something about that talented team. 
It’s also weirdly selective. Like OSU is winning 11 games a season against THE BEST everyone has to offer?
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2018, 04:00:15 PM
Because their hopes and dreams were not dashed in their previous game.  Why is this so hard to understand?
2018 teams eligible to not play motivated:
Michigan
Georgia

2017
Auburn - L
Wisconsin - W

2016
Michigan - L

2015
Iowa - L

2014
N/A

2013
Missouri - W
Ohio State - L


These teams were going to be in the NCCG or CFP, but lost their last game of the season, rendering their big goals moot.  Only two of them won in such a case.  This isn't some convoluted BS, based on Bama losing to Utah in 2008, it's a real, live thing.  It doesn't guarantee a loss in their bowl game, but it does guarantee these 21 year old kids have less to play for than they did the game before, and often times, this affects their play.  Period.
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Post by: bayareabadger on December 28, 2018, 04:10:29 PM
Because their hopes and dreams were not dashed in their previous game.  Why is this so hard to understand?
2018 teams eligible to not play motivated:
Michigan
Georgia

2017
Auburn - L
Wisconsin - W

2016
Michigan - L

2015
Iowa - L

2014
N/A

2013
Missouri - L
Ohio State - L


These teams were going to be in the NCCG or CFP, but lost their last game of the season, rendering their big goals moot.  Only one of them won in such a case.  This isn't some convoluted BS, based on Bama losing to Utah in 2008, it's a real, live thing.  It doesn't guarantee a loss in their bowl game, but it does guarantee these 21 year old kids have less to play for than they did the game before, and often times, this affects their play.  Period.

Missouri won that bowl. Ohio State was in a shootout and led late in the fourth. Iowa, well Iowa wasn’t all that good. 
Bowls are weird and stupid, and finding patterns in them is often suspect. On the plus side, if this means UGA will loss, that’d be fine. 
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Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2018, 04:16:06 PM
Sometimes, stuff just clicks for a team.


I side with this option
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Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2018, 04:16:36 PM
I'm not right about stuff very often, but have seen this narrative unfold on countless occasions.
I will agree with half of this.......
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 28, 2018, 04:58:23 PM
Not what I was hoping for.

My scientific theory:  just one of those days, and once it starts the momentum just keeps it going.

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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 28, 2018, 04:59:20 PM
I will agree with half of this.......
I spit up my lemonade on this one.......😂
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 05:15:42 PM
I played both BB sports in HS and clearly recall games where nothing worked, or everything worked.  It just happened, randomly.  Random things happen, oddly enough.  

It is almost a statistical certainty.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 05:22:14 PM
I spit up my lemonade on this one.......😂
Lemonade? With Tito's, I hope.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 28, 2018, 05:25:08 PM
See, this is why Fearless is Larry the Cable Guy.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 28, 2018, 07:31:07 PM
It’s as if you knew me well😉
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 07:45:24 PM
See, this is why Fearless is Larry the Cable Guy.
Ultimate Pot-Stirrer - UPS
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2018, 07:58:40 PM
Syracuse is a decent team.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 08:11:28 PM
Syracuse is a decent team.
No doubt. WVU would be a lot better if they had the QB who signed up to be a part of their team, but quit.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2018, 09:17:40 PM
Missouri won that bowl. Ohio State was in a shootout and led late in the fourth. Iowa, well Iowa wasn’t all that good.
Bowls are weird and stupid, and finding patterns in them is often suspect. On the plus side, if this means UGA will loss, that’d be fine.
Thanks, corrected it.
"Was in a shootout" just explains away a loss?  Mmmkay.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2018, 09:18:51 PM
No doubt. WVU would be a lot better if they had the QB who signed up to be a part of their team, but quit.
This is the crap that makes me want to go back to pre-1949 "bowls are just for fun" rules.  Anything outside of the playoff is becoming "NFL kids don't want to get hurt and young talent needs some game experience" time.  It's not a genuine competition.  It doesn't matter if you finish ranked 12th or 17th, the season didn't end in a championship.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2018, 10:18:38 PM
This playoff crap is wrecking the game we love. But WE are the minority. I went to the gym today to get training from my guy, who is a ND "fan", because he's a Catholic. He loves the playoffs because he's an Eastern Illinois grad and a Bears fan. There are more of those than there are of us.



What a crock of crap. NFL Lite. Enjoy, until you don't. Hopefully our love of cooking and food and drink will keep us together here.
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Post by: ELA on December 29, 2018, 12:28:24 AM
WSU has had some major coverage gaffs tonight.
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 29, 2018, 12:38:55 AM
Fun game.  2 likable programs.  Would have tried onside there. 
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Post by: bayareabadger on December 29, 2018, 08:38:56 AM
Thanks, corrected it.
"Was in a shootout" just explains away a loss?  Mmmkay.
I mean, a four-point favorite lost by one possession after leading in the fourth quarter. What a sign they just didn’t have it.
(OSU was good offense, so-so defense. They just saved their first loss for later)

I honestly believe in letdown moments, but I also believe the game is wonky and fun and that’s usually the reason things happen.
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Post by: bayareabadger on December 29, 2018, 08:41:14 AM
This playoff crap is wrecking the game we love. But WE are the minority. I went to the gym today to get training from my guy, who is a ND "fan", because he's a Catholic. He loves the playoffs because he's an Eastern Illinois grad and a Bears fan. There are more of those than there are of us.



What a crock of crap. NFL Lite. Enjoy, until you don't. Hopefully our love of cooking and food and drink will keep us together here.
I think there’s a natural human instinct to want to feel put upon. And let’s face it, we’re often trashing the game we love. 
But look hard, and there’s usually something cool to appreciate if you want to see it (like 10-win Syracuse, or the unlikeliness of that late bowl yesterday, or Eric Dungey or Auburn going all out to help it’s coach)
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2018, 08:44:07 AM
I think it does matter to some if you win your bowl game and finish 12th instead of 19th.

How much does it really matter if your team wins every game and is 15-0 anyway?  It doesn't change my world at all, beyond posting here perhaps.  I try and enjoy the game for what it is and admire great plays and great effort made by others.

I like the bowls, all of them pretty much, unless they are not played on green turf.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 09:13:49 AM
I like all the bowls too, on green turf, but I'm fearful that eventually attendance and viewership is going to fall so badly, they will start to go away to the point that all we have is the playoff. The wonks went to an NFL model. The NFL doesn't have bowl games.
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Post by: ELA on December 29, 2018, 09:42:29 AM
Now the bowls are trying to drive fans away

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2018/12/28/18159917/alamo-bowl-busch-light-iowa-state-washington-state
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 09:44:17 AM
Just having Busch Light would keep me out, all by itself.
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 29, 2018, 09:55:46 AM
I like all the bowls too, on green turf, but I'm fearful that eventually attendance and viewership is going to fall so badly, they will start to go away to the point that all we have is the playoff. The wonks went to an NFL model. The NFL doesn't have bowl games.
Maybe.  But recently bowl games have been a cheap cash grab.  It isn't like the Cheeze It Bowl is some historical college tradition.  It's just in the last ten years that .500 teams and below were allowed to play.  Since the bowl games don't pay the actual people playing in the game, their costs are mostly minimal, and they just need a sponsor and a television contract to finance the operation.  
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Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2018, 10:03:37 AM
our love of cooking and food and drink will keep us together here.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2018, 10:04:27 AM
Now the bowls are trying to drive fans away

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2018/12/28/18159917/alamo-bowl-busch-light-iowa-state-washington-state
nothing for Clone fans to be proud of, but................. they are
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2018, 10:10:47 AM
Lesser bowl games have had poor attendance for decades and persist.  I think the only minor bowl that sold out routinely was the Peach Bowl.

Even the Cap One Bowl always has 2/3rds attendance, if that.

I think it was the Alamo Bowl that had a nice crowd?  Maybe.

Not many do.  They apparently make their nut on TV and attendance is irrelevant.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2018, 10:23:25 AM
Alamo had a nice crowd because they invited a fan base that travels well to a warm destination with plenty of Busch Lite

San Antonio can be driven from Ames and Des Moines

attendance is important - for the gate and especially for the local businesses

successful well run bowls do a better job than others
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 29, 2018, 10:37:10 AM
our love of cooking and food and drink will keep us together here.
When the routine bites hard
And ambitions are low
And the resentment rides high
But emotions wont grow
And were changing our ways,
Taking different roads

Then playoffs,  playoffs will tear us apart again.

I heard this all-time great song this morning, and immediately thought of it when reading this thread.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 10:47:36 AM
That Camping World Bowl in Orlando yesterday was pretty crowded. Lots of orange in particular.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2018, 10:54:22 AM
Some bowls have some attendance, yes, but they are rarely full.

The gate is a something unless they give away a lot of those tickets to whoevers, but the naming rights and TV rights is probably the main deal. 
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 29, 2018, 10:56:02 AM
About ready for the one time a year I root for Michigan only to be let down
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on December 29, 2018, 11:08:57 AM
Still some time for my annual rant on how the national championship game should be on Saturday
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 29, 2018, 11:09:48 AM
Gator bait. 
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Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2018, 11:12:23 AM
About ready for the one time a year I root for Michigan only to be let down
don't do it!
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2018, 11:12:48 AM
So, minor bowl games, I'm for'em.  I see some good out of them and nothing particularly bad.

Some team that is 8-4 can finish 9-4 and be ranked 15th or so.  Or 8-5 and unranked (ORVs).

A top ten finish is a thing for many programs.  Syracuse can label this a nice season at 10-3 and a ranking above 15.

Baylor can label this a winning season after being 1-11.

Vandy can claim they went bowling.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2018, 11:13:27 AM
Some bowls have some attendance, yes, but they are rarely full.

The gate is a something unless they give away a lot of those tickets to whoevers, but the naming rights and TV rights is probably the main deal.
TV is the deal, but since these small bowls are usually close to breaking even an extra 10,000 in the seats can make the difference
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 11:18:11 AM
Yeah, I don't think the bowls get any of the TV coin. I think that all goes to the conference (Big Ten splits it all) or the individual schools. Am I correct on this, or mixing things up?
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Post by: bayareabadger on December 29, 2018, 11:22:14 AM
Maybe.  But recently bowl games have been a cheap cash grab.  It isn't like the Cheeze It Bowl is some historical college tradition.  It's just in the last ten years that .500 teams and below were allowed to play.  Since the bowl games don't pay the actual people playing in the game, their costs are mostly minimal, and they just need a sponsor and a television contract to finance the operation.  
The Chees It Bowl has been around in some form or another since 1989. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 29, 2018, 11:34:48 AM
Still some time for my annual rant on how the national championship game should be on Saturday
Hell yes. Who in their right mind schedules that for a Monday night? 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 11:39:29 AM
My wife brought up last night that she wished all the bowls kept their original names. She asked about the Copper Bowl (we went in 1996) and I told her it's still around. I don't know the name of it, but I know it's no longer played in Tuscon, where we saw it. It's in PHX, in a baseball field??


That's just one example. I'm glad the Citrus name is back. 


Outback used to be Hall of Fame Bowl. That one started in Birmingham, I believe, and moved to Tampa in the 1980's. I wish it still started at 10 AM (CST). It was nice to get up and dive right into football for 12 hours, with 3 TV's set up in the LR.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2018, 11:42:45 AM
The naming of things is Big Money obviously.  I know the stadium here is always called "MB Stadium", even though that has not prompted me to purchase one of their autos (yet).  I was watching the "Walk on Bowl" with daughter with no idea what Walk On meant.

I thought it was apparel.

I don't eat more Chick-Fil-A because a bowl is so named.

Of course, I worked for a large advertising company and learned that the MAIN THING is simply to get your name OUT THERE as often as possible.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 11:49:09 AM
Oh, I get it. I just wish it weren't the case. I like my M-B. Thinking of getting an "S" now that I have enough garage space for one.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 29, 2018, 11:50:18 AM
Most Bowl Games have a history that dates back to no earlier than the invention of Cable Television in the 80s. The few that were around before that had only had their "historical tie ins" for a few decades or less by that point (Rose Bowl since the late 40s). The Bowl games have always been just as pointless as they are now; playing a bonus game of football, just for the Hell of it.

The Rose Bowl should be the NC. Some of the other big Bowl games can rotate the semifinals. The rest of the bowl games can carry on in their steep tradition of being completely pointless games to anyone outside of the participating fan bases.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2018, 11:53:09 AM
The bowl games survive on revenue.  I presume they get ticket revenue, naming revenue, and some portion of TV revenue.

There would be some ad revenue associated with signs in the stadium as well.

They have to break even, at least or they go under.  Perhaps cities may chip in at times.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 12:11:12 PM
Out of bounds.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on December 29, 2018, 12:18:15 PM
UM d line seems to have awoken from their slumber
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 29, 2018, 12:26:57 PM
I remember this. One year in probably the mid-90's my dad, brother, and I drove around town looking for an open bar at 10am on NYD because the Buckeyes were in the Outback and we didn't have cable.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2018, 12:29:07 PM
Hell yes. Who in their right mind schedules that for a Monday night?
Monday night football works for me
Saturday would be preferred, but Monday night works
as last season I'll probably be watching that monday night in a BoneDaddy's house of smoke in Arlington
could be a tradition
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2018, 12:30:15 PM
I remember this. One year in probably the mid-90's my dad, brother, and I drove around town looking for an open bar at 10am on NYD because the Buckeyes were in the Outback and we didn't have cable.
the internet is good for somethings
like finding an open bar that will be showing the game
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2018, 12:44:00 PM
Michigan looks better to me.
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 29, 2018, 01:12:40 PM
I haven't focused on UF a whole bunch, but Franks seems to have terrible vision.
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 29, 2018, 01:13:52 PM
An own block.  That's on the punter. 
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Post by: ELA on December 29, 2018, 01:23:04 PM
I haven't focused on UF a whole bunch, but Franks seems to be terrible.
FIFY
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2018, 01:28:13 PM
Franks is usually mediocre. He can run a bit.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 01:29:46 PM
Franks is usually mediocre. He can run a bit.
Yes. Yes he can.
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Post by: ELA on December 29, 2018, 01:30:27 PM
Franks is usually mediocre. He can run a bit.
He wouldn't be if Bush had played.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 01:33:08 PM
Patterson is really good. They need to unleash that boy.
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Post by: ELA on December 29, 2018, 01:35:49 PM
Patterson is really good. They need to unleash that boy.
Patrick Mahomes according to the announcers
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Post by: ELA on December 29, 2018, 01:38:51 PM
That's some James Franklin time management right there.  Run the ball, let 30 seconds run off, then call one of two timeouts and play for a very long FG.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 01:42:25 PM
Harbaugh (or whoever) calls plays like he has Hornibrook at QB. I wish Patterson transferred to Madison. UW might be playing today, instead of on a random Thursday at 4PM.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 02:23:12 PM
And then Patterson makes like Hornibrook and throws a red zone pick. I'm a dumbass.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 02:23:40 PM
Woo-hoo.....we're up 10 on an artificially-decimated Michigan team!  Sooooo proud.......
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 02:24:25 PM
And then Patterson makes like Hornibrook and throws a red zone pick. I'm a dumbass.
That was a pretty sweet play by the nickel, though...peeling off like that.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 29, 2018, 02:27:11 PM
Red Wolves vs Wolf Pack in the Arizona Bowl? you ask. 

Deadlocked at zilch in the second. 
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 02:27:25 PM
I haven't focused on UF a whole bunch, but Franks seems to have terrible vision.
He's always had poor vision, but if you're referring to the open guy in the endzone as he rolled out, earlier this year, he'd probably make the easy TD toss.  But since the South Carolina game, they're just wanting him to stop worrying about the late-play "maybe" passes, just to tuck it and run.  It's getting him to utilize a strength of his, but yes, at the expense of those types of completions.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 02:30:34 PM
The UM players are awfully chippy.  Is that normal?  I'm certain it's both ways, but they're talking smack after nearly every play.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 29, 2018, 02:31:55 PM
Tough to beat a team five times in a row. 
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 02:36:09 PM
Tough to beat a team five times in a row.
Ohio State disagrees.
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Post by: Hawkinole on December 29, 2018, 02:44:00 PM
Michigan snaps off plays at tortoise pace, while down three scores. The pace is incomprehensible.
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Post by: TyphonInc on December 29, 2018, 02:50:01 PM
Ohio State disagrees.
Just pour salt into the wound next time.
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Post by: TyphonInc on December 29, 2018, 02:51:22 PM
He didn't catch that.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 02:58:51 PM
This one's over.
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Post by: ELA on December 29, 2018, 03:04:43 PM
I'm going to say Michigan's defense was a TAD overrated.
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 29, 2018, 03:08:53 PM
Harbaugh doing his best John Cooper imitation
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 29, 2018, 03:10:28 PM
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-MZIT7_OBgWY%2FVEGF0mpFaPI%2FAAAAAAAABQc%2Fod6LLpLHrFs%2Fs1600%2FIMG_3129.JPG&hash=014e619bd9bd7e40f82928df28736718)
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 29, 2018, 03:13:09 PM
Can’t be surprised by Michigan’s Peach Bowl capsize. Look at what the Wolverines were up against:

- dissapointing end to regular season
- eventually having to lose to Florida after beating them, what, four stretch times dating back to the 2003 Outback Bowl?
- so many players sitting out, especially on the defense
- way more Gators fans in stadium
- injury absences on the OL + going against one of the meaner Front 7s
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 29, 2018, 03:14:45 PM
Ok, I get that Florida has a great defense.  But how does a team with Patterson, Collins, Black and People’s-Jones get held to 13 points?

I don’t get it.  
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 03:17:36 PM
Think #7 is cool with Gary and Bush sitting out?
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 29, 2018, 03:18:43 PM
Think #7 is cool with Gary and Bush sitting out?
I am going to go with a big fat NOOOO!
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 03:24:28 PM
Boy, this has turned into a yawner.  Pick-6 by, ironically, the only Florida player to announce he's leaving early.  Oh, he's playing!  And trying hard!  Fancy that.
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Post by: TyphonInc on December 29, 2018, 03:26:22 PM
Screw OAM and his attempts to say Florida doesn't play the SEC card.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2018, 03:29:16 PM
They wrote it on their whiteboard for all to see.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 03:29:26 PM
I didn't hear any chanting, just some stray whiteboard no one is using.....:57:




...the cameraman probably wrote it....
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2018, 03:29:53 PM
UVA skunked USCe 28-0.  SEC.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 29, 2018, 03:30:04 PM
Screw OAM and his attempts to say Florida doesn't play the SEC card.
Well we are 0-2 now with two blowouts....
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 03:30:18 PM
Yeah, but UVA isn't in the B10....yet.
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Post by: TyphonInc on December 29, 2018, 03:32:39 PM
I didn't hear any chanting, just some stray whiteboard no one is using.....:57:




...the cameraman probably wrote it....
And the Florida players pointing and framing it proudly...
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Post by: TyphonInc on December 29, 2018, 03:34:29 PM
Yeah, but UVA isn't in the B10....yet.
Lol
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 03:35:17 PM
And the Florida players pointing and framing it proudly...
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I didn't see anything...
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 03:41:27 PM
Michigan allowed 99 points in their last 7 quarters.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 04:25:25 PM
Because their hopes and dreams were not dashed in their previous game.  Why is this so hard to understand?
2018 teams eligible to not play motivated:
Michigan
Georgia

2017
Auburn - L
Wisconsin - W

2016
Michigan - L

2015
Iowa - L

2014
N/A

2013
Missouri - W
Ohio State - L


These teams were going to be in the NCCG or CFP, but lost their last game of the season, rendering their big goals moot.  Only two of them won in such a case.  This isn't some convoluted BS, based on Bama losing to Utah in 2008, it's a real, live thing.  It doesn't guarantee a loss in their bowl game, but it does guarantee these 21 year old kids have less to play for than they did the game before, and often times, this affects their play.  Period.

Ahem.
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Post by: Drew4UTk on December 29, 2018, 04:29:35 PM
ND is balls out.. fired up and trying... Clemson is playing like Clemson... they play like FSU of nineties vintage.  meaning, the play 30 minutes of football- you just don't know when they'll start playing and when they'll stop- but you can be sure it'll be 30 minutes- no more, no less.  
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 04:42:01 PM
ND is balls out.. fired up and trying... Clemson is playing like Clemson... they play like FSU of nineties vintage.  meaning, the play 30 minutes of football- you just don't know when they'll start playing and when they'll stop- but you can be sure it'll be 30 minutes- no more, no less.  
But when the balls-to-the-wall team doesn't get a lead while playing that way, they run out of gas and get curb-stomped.
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Post by: Drew4UTk on December 29, 2018, 04:45:08 PM
Yeah, when Clemson finally decides to play this is gonna get ugly.  Clemson just got the call on the k/o fumble.  This may be what kickstarts them. 
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 29, 2018, 04:48:03 PM
Yeah, when Clemson finally decides to play this is gonna get ugly.  Clemson just got the call on the k/o fumble.  This may be what kickstarts them.
In making that call- they had to assume a football is flat.  
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Post by: ELA on December 29, 2018, 05:02:07 PM
Sean McDonough is the most underrated PBP in all of sports.
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 29, 2018, 05:04:59 PM
He is quite good and multifaceted.    Dan Shulman is another , wish or would like to hear him try football pbp.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 05:05:19 PM
In making that call- they had to assume a football is flat.  
That's what I was thinking too. Now we know who is supposed to win at least. That was far from conclusive evidence.
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Post by: Drew4UTk on December 29, 2018, 05:19:47 PM
Like to both^... 

ND is hanging in there.  Good for them. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2018, 05:35:00 PM
Clemson in gear now?
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Post by: ELA on December 29, 2018, 06:00:07 PM
UVA skunked USCe 28-0.  SEC.
Granted the game sucked, but that was a half decent matchup to be buried during a NY6 game.
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Post by: Drew4UTk on December 29, 2018, 06:34:46 PM
Looks like clemson is holding the next 15 minutes of their 30 for the 4th.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2018, 07:02:55 PM
Does this ND loss "color" their odds of making the playoffs in the near future?

I suspect it might.  They are getting trounced.
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Post by: TyphonInc on December 29, 2018, 07:51:42 PM
Well ND did 4 points better than OSU did last time against Clemson.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 29, 2018, 07:55:55 PM
Not another Bama-Clemson. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 08:02:39 PM
Not another Bama-Clemson.
For variety's sake it would be good. Perfect matchup for a late Monday night game. ESPN will KILL IT in the Alabama and South Carolina markets.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 08:22:21 PM
No offense to anyone, but why does OU even bother putting 11 guys out there on defense?  
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 29, 2018, 08:32:07 PM
Good argument to go back to 2 teams .
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 08:33:32 PM
That's my thing with the "expand the playoff" crowd.....we're already routinely getting blowouts in these semifinals.....you want to see these top seeds play worse teams?!?!?
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 08:43:49 PM
I got a good one. The wife says "He only won the Hypesman because he never saw a defense all year."


Definitely a keeper.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 08:50:00 PM
Bama just rolling like it's practice....OU doesn't have a yard.  Ugh.  Why did anyone think it'd be otherwise?
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 09:00:11 PM
Georgia and OSU are watching this like PFFFFT.
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Post by: ELA on December 29, 2018, 09:01:02 PM
Bama just rolling like it's practice....OU doesn't have a yard.  Ugh.  Why did anyone think it'd be otherwise?
We were optimistic that eventually we'd get good semifinals.  We got one in 2014 and one in 2017.  That's it.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2018, 09:04:58 PM
Bama may be that good.  At least ND hung in there for a while.

Bama may scorch Clemson.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 09:05:29 PM
Basically
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Post by: ELA on December 29, 2018, 09:07:48 PM
Bama may be that good.  At least ND hung in there for a while.

Bama may scorch Clemson.
Yeah, I'd love to bash ND, and while they didn't have a shot, that one was closer than the scoreboard indicated.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 09:16:51 PM
20 minutes in, Tua's first incompletion.....
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Post by: ELA on December 29, 2018, 09:39:14 PM
Alabama is going to have 35 points at halftime and the question is going to be what is wrong with Oklahoma's offense.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2018, 09:48:00 PM
Penalties.  Saban is livid.  OU a bit of life.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2018, 10:07:03 PM
Does this ND loss "color" their odds of making the playoffs in the near future?

I suspect it might.  They are getting trounced.
It should. They just scraped by a lot of teams this season and the don't play a 13th game like the rest of the teams (or Bama if you don't win your division.. different topic).

The two best teams played each other on December 1 this year.
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Post by: Drew4UTk on December 29, 2018, 10:32:05 PM
those two won't have much drop, if any either @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) .... dang it.  it's pretty clear at this point the country needs Saban to retire. 
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Post by: ELA on December 29, 2018, 10:35:58 PM
Streak is alive of going to bed before the end of the second CFP semi.  5 for 5
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 29, 2018, 10:45:35 PM
Not another Bama-Clemson.
To include tonight’s games there been what (?) - 10 or 12 semi final games and only two have been worth watching after halftime? Last year’s Georgia-Oklahoma and the 2014 Bama-Ohio State. NFL definitely has a better down-the-stretch product this season. 
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 10:52:26 PM
those two won't have much drop, if any either @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) .... dang it.  it's pretty clear at this point the country needs Saban to retire.
If Saban retired this year, Georgia would just replace the Tide, at least for a time.  They're nearly their equal already, and the last 2-3 Dawg classes have the most 5* guys in the nation, by far.  Plus, it would take a couple of years for whoever replaced Saban to poo the bed, and there's Clemson to consider.  


It won't remain the P5 for very long, guys.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2018, 11:08:51 PM
Someone tell the OU OL 75 if he doesn't want someone sitting on his QB to not let THAT GUY go right by you.  ffs
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 07:25:17 AM
So, people are complaining (on SM) about having blow outs, but I'd surmise going to an 8 team playoff would mean MORE blow outs.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 07:53:13 AM
Well, it seems clear these are the "two best teams" and the BCS would have worked fine this year.

I don't have an issue with ND and OU being selected, they were the logical 3 and 4 teams, it's just there was a gap this year.  Last year 3 and 4 played in the NC.  The committee has been choosing the same teams I'd choose.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 30, 2018, 08:07:11 AM
Pretty sure the Car Auctions on NBC's cable affiliate will garner higher ratings than Tide-Tigers.Just gonna watch in case of the highly unlikely hood of a sinkhole developing.Plus it's the last CFB game of the year
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 30, 2018, 08:38:26 AM
Well, it seems clear these are the "two best teams" and the BCS would have worked fine this year.

I don't have an issue with ND and OU being selected, they were the logical 3 and 4 teams, it's just there was a gap this year.  Last year 3 and 4 played in the NC.  The committee has been choosing the same teams I'd choose.
I agree.   
Makes you wonder though, would the game of CFB be better off to use the NY6 to pair the top 12 teams, and do a BCS style plus one for the Trophy?
All the games would be raucous and most years you would end up with a fairly obvious top 2.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 08:41:41 AM
Some of the bowls have agreements with conferences which is why Georgia plays Texas instead of the higher ranked Michigan.

But we COULD have the NY6 bowl games and then pick the two best after that as a model, interesting thought.  How would that have worked this year?  I guess Alabama would play Texas, or something like that in a NY6 bowl?  Blech.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 08:49:12 AM
Or one could drop back to the old NY4 and have 8 teams, which would be "OK" and then pick the two to have a playoff game.  That would lead to massive blowouts on occasion as coaches tried to make statements.

Alabama - UCF
Clemson - Michigan
Notre Dame - Ohio State
Oklahoma - Georgia

Those games appear "watchable" relative to what we actually have.  If Bama and Clemson win convincingly, you have the same end result.

Cotton Orange Rose Sugar
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2018, 08:51:12 AM
If we had the Rose, Orange, Sugar and Fiesta you'd have probably seen something like this:


Rose: OSU vs. Washington
Orange: Clemson vs. Georgia
Sugar: Alabama vs. Oklahoma (saw that)
Fiesta: Notre Dame vs. UCF


Then you'd probably see a "+1" with Bama vs. Georgia. OR, you could just say that Bama and Georgia already played and it doesn't matter. Or you could have a rematch and have Georgia win. 


Finally, we could be happy with having a Rose, Orange, Sugar and Fiesta Bowl Champions thing.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 08:57:31 AM
I'd like that system, I think.  Going back to the Olden Times, I think it would have resolved a lot of uncertainties.

I'd have the Cotton instead of the Fiesta, but they could bid on it I suppose.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 08:58:18 AM
UGA of course can claim to be "Rose Bowl Champions" for 2018 but there is a sour taste on that one for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2018, 09:34:36 AM
The Rose Bowl is the Rose Bowl this year, but because of this playoff crap it's not the same as it once was. It used to be destination TV for a whole lot more people than it is now.


The BCS started screwing it up, 20 years ago. Roy Kramer, and to a lesser degree, Jim Delany. Thanks.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 09:42:37 AM
Things change, obviously, and the old Rose Bowl aura has definitely lessened.  That could be in part because of perceived "SEC dominance", but mostly because of the factors you cite.

As a fan, I appreciate the history, but often disliked the match ups when one or the other conference champ was obviously weak.  I recall when a very good USC team was matched with a rather poor Illinois team, and at the same time a good UGA team got to wax Hawaii.  This year a similar arrangement has UGA matched with Texas when Michigan would have been the better opponent (in theory).

So, the changes have some positive sides to them, but I don't like the bowl conference tie ins at the NY6 level.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2018, 09:50:39 AM
If Georgia comes to play, and I suspect they will, Texas is in big trouble.


I remember when Georgia played WVU too though. Before they woke up, WVU was up by 21. 


Different year, of course, and a much different coach.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2018, 09:51:33 AM
If the Rose Bowl was locked in as the NCG with auto-bids for Conference Champions, everyone would have preseason goals of beating their rival, winning their Conference, and winning the Rose Bowl. Same exact goals as your big ten team had back in the big bad seventies. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 09:55:01 AM
Actually, I think WVU jumped up 28-0.  Georgia had a very good secondary that year, and WVU would split four guys wide and then play 7 on 7.  UGA had not prepared for that even though it was obvious.  WVU neutralized UGA's strength.

There is too much money to be had by "floating" the NC game location to fix it at the RB.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2018, 09:57:44 AM
If the Rose Bowl was locked in as the NCG with auto-bids for Conference Champions, everyone would have preseason goals of beating their rival, winning their Conference, and winning the Rose Bowl. Same exact goals as your big ten team had back in the big bad seventies.
Worst decade ever?
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2018, 10:00:36 AM
Clearly the seventies were the best decade, since that is the one that everyone is nostalgic for. Not just CFB, but cars, most genres of music, movies, tv, and just about everything else. 

That decade is widely regarded as being the cat's pajamas on multiple levels. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 10:34:20 AM
Cars in the 70s were mostly awful in my opinion, especially the late 70s.  Horsepower went way down because of emissions standards.  From 1970-1972 there were some muscle cars that are pretty cool, but they drive like crap compared to anything current.

One might not realize how bad those cars were until one drives a fully restored model of whatever today.  Drum brakes, carburetors, leaf springs, solid rear axles, ball power steering, bad tires, constant maintenance, poor build quality.... I'll take anything modern any day as a driver.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2018, 10:43:53 AM
In the 1970's, we had an energy crisis, terrible cars, ugly architecture, a really bad end to a really bad war, a president resign, 15 percent interest rates on mortgages, high inflation, some really bad reverb music, a hostage crisis, giving away a major canal in Panama, and everyone cooked their steaks well-done. Other than that, yeah, it was great.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 10:45:26 AM
I was in HS and college in the 70s.  Good times, especially in Athens.

Chapel Hill was a real downer after Athens.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2018, 10:47:09 AM
by today's standards obviously, but at the time those early 70's muscle cars were great vehicles

early 70's submarines or microwaves suffer by comparison as well
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2018, 10:49:00 AM
Yeah I'm not much of a gear head. But I do have an older brother who restores old classic cars. He seems to favor the really old ones up to and including the seventies. He bemoans working on anything more modern than the 80s, and can't understand why anyone would willingly own such a substandard vehicle. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2018, 11:33:01 AM
Everyone knew ND was a paper tiger. They were only in the "four best teams" because they squeaked through into being undefeated. Just like they did in 2012. Similar results. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 11:46:18 AM
A current Honda Accord will outrun most of those early 70's "muscle cars", with a few exceptions.

And be a LOT nicer to drive and handle curves.

We take for granted how fast current cars are these days.  I had a 1973 Nova with a 350 in it that the mags said would run 0-60 in 8.2 seconds.  That is the same as my old Chevy Sonic that the daughter has now.  The GTI would leave just about anything of that era in the weeds.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on December 30, 2018, 12:09:54 PM
Everyone knew ND was a paper tiger. They were only in the "four best teams" because they squeaked through into being undefeated. Just like they did in 2012. Similar results.
So... this comment got me thinkings, about the questions of paper tigers, deserving and such. 
Looking at something that should measure strength and such (S&P+), your No. 4 team was down 28-0 in 17 minutes. Your No. 5 team was Michigan (Oh dear), No. 6 was ND, No. 7 had Ohio State's defense, No. 8 was UCF. 

Outside saying, UGA should be in because of its awesome offense that folks still kinda hate, it sometimes seems like them's just the breaks. Sometimes good enough to go to the playoff is only good enough to get slowly bled out by the end of the first half. 
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2018, 12:33:47 PM
There have been many instances in both the BCS and the CFB Playoffs where the team that barely squeaks in winds up winning the whole ball of wax. 

An undefeated ND will always get an at bat in the Playoffs.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2018, 01:37:41 PM
A current Honda Accord will outrun most of those early 70's "muscle cars", with a few exceptions.

And be a LOT nicer to drive and handle curves.

We take for granted how fast current cars are these days.  I had a 1973 Nova with a 350 in it that the mags said would run 0-60 in 8.2 seconds.  That is the same as my old Chevy Sonic that the daughter has now.  The GTI would leave just about anything of that era in the weeds.
the 70 Nova SS with 300hp 350 matches the 2018 Accord within a tenth of a sec in 0-60 and a a tenth quicker in the 1/4 mile
the big block 396 version of the 70 Nova is quicker by 4-5 tenths in both categories
the 454 Chevelle from 1970 was a full second quicker in the 1/4 mile about the same 0-60 as the 2018 Accord - heavy chevy
yes nearly 50 years of technology make for better handling, ride, more comfortable seats
but, the style, sound, and coolness factor of the old cars make them a very easy choice as to which I would pick to drive
and the 1970 454 Chevelle had a sticker price of $5000.  Even adjusted for inflation it was a bargain compared to the 2018 Honda @ $25,000
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 30, 2018, 02:15:42 PM
I'm 38, and the 70s, to my age group, seem like the worst decade, going back a ways.  The 60s had the cool cars and the 50s/60s had innocence and music and apple pie.  The 80s music far exceeds the 70s....the clothes in the 70s were absurd.  Disco?  Was brown plaid the color of the decade?  Just no redeeming qualities.  
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2018, 02:34:03 PM
Odd. I'm 39 and found that my generation was quite fond of doing a poor impersonation of the 70s back in the 90s. 
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Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2018, 02:34:39 PM
80s music?

don't think disco was the best of the 70's
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 02:38:16 PM
$5,000 in 1970 is the same as $32,479 today in buying power.

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

And my point is that an Accord is a family car, nothing special really.  We could look at a Camaro SS as an example of a modern car that can run pretty well.

Folks look back on some decade and think it sounded great, maybe because of TV shows?  Each decade had some major issues.  The decade we're in could be argued to be one of the best overall.

The sixties had a lot of bad spots in them.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 02:40:57 PM
I thought rock music in the 70s was pretty good, more complex than a lot of 60s rock.

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/jweber14/top_100_rock_bands_of_the_70s/

Pink Floyd, Allman Bros, Genesis, Led Zep, The Who, ...
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2018, 03:15:01 PM
You forgot RUSH.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2018, 03:16:20 PM
I'm 38, and the 70s, to my age group, seem like the worst decade, going back a ways.  The 60s had the cool cars and the 50s/60s had innocence and music and apple pie.  The 80s music far exceeds the 70s....the clothes in the 70s were absurd.  Disco?  Was brown plaid the color of the decade?  Just no redeeming qualities.  
Don't forget the multi-patterned, multi-colored shag carpeting, green appliances and plastic covers for furniture.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2018, 03:17:27 PM
Avacodo and orange. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2018, 03:18:54 PM
And THIS:

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frichglare.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F02%2Fintro23.jpg&hash=6feef11d8b67d2a378151b16c7a4d56d)
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 03:34:47 PM
My apartment in Chapel Hill was literally across the tracks in Carrboro, an old mill town that had seen better days, but rents were cheaper.

It had that green shag carpet and avocado colored appliances.  It was pretty new at the time and my rent was $135 a month for a 1 BDR (1976).  I was very proud of my 1973 Nova, it had the F41 sport suspension and rode like a truck.  It came with raised white letter tires.

It was the same car as the Camaro, just more practical body style-wise.  I had to change the plugs once a year and they were gnarly to get to.

I remember when gas pumps would not show prices per gallon over 99 cents, so they priced gas at half gallon increments.  You paid with either a gas credit card, if you had one, or cash.

I remember my first visit to an ATM - they were new.  It was magical, I felt like a pigeon in a Skinner box.  I got my first Visa card with a $200 credit limit.  You couldn't use them many places, most everything was cash.

I either rode my bike to campus or took the bus, which meant walking across the tracks to the bus stop.

There was a BBQ place on the corner in town that is still there but WAY upscale from back when.  There was no pizza delivery.  Frozen pizza was awful.  We didn't even have a Pizza Hut that I can recall.  Internet?  Uber?  Scooters?  Jimmy Carter?  Check on that one.

I met Jimmy once at our church when he was governor.  I'd still cal him Governor today if I met him.  The Carter Center is not far from here.

I can recall walking about two miles with my GF in the snow to get coffee and realized when we got there I had left my wallet at home, and she had left hers as well.  It was one of those heavy quiet soft snows with no wind, just beautiful.

I can remember when Star Wars came out.  The lines were around the block to get in.  I didn't see it for quite a while after that.  The theater downtown played the Rocky Horror Picture Show every Saturday night.

We had 55 mph speed limits and in NC they really tried to enforce that.  I'd drive home, it took 7 hours, and as soon as traffic hit the SC line it took off.  I had a CB radio in my car, most folks did, and it was helpful at avoiding the County Mounties et al.  Breaker 19.

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Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2018, 03:42:55 PM
And THIS:

dude!
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Post by: ELA on December 30, 2018, 03:43:06 PM
Yeah, I dont long for anything from the 70s, but I'll give it music.  Probably by a wide margin.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2018, 03:43:36 PM

The sixties had a lot of bad spots in them.
every decade does
including the 2010s
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Post by: ELA on December 30, 2018, 03:50:36 PM
Notre Dame is 0-6 in BCS/NY6 bowls, with an average margin of defeat of 24 points.  Their closest loss was by 14 to Ohio State in the 2006 Fiesta Bowl
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2018, 04:10:32 PM
And that wasn't exactly a close loss...
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Post by: bayareabadger on December 30, 2018, 04:13:32 PM
Notre Dame is 0-6 in BCS/NY6 bowls, with an average margin of defeat of 24 points.  Their closest loss was by 14 to Ohio State in the 2006 Fiesta Bowl
Speaking of decades, seems like a good spot to me, even if it’s a little longer that’s a decade. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 04:20:06 PM
SO, does ND take lasting damage because of this down the road?
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Post by: EastAthens on December 30, 2018, 04:37:04 PM
No other decade was even close to the 70s movies. Look at this list. It is crazy good.
https://www.listchallenges.com/100-greatest-movies-of-the-1970s
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 04:43:30 PM
I sort of long for my youth in the 70s, but not my stupidity.

Wait, that has stuck around.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2018, 05:06:44 PM
I like that Cincydawg is basically a character from the Dukes of Hazzard come to life. 

It makes sense, since it was filmed around the corner from where he grew up. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 05:14:38 PM
I did not grow up in California, so that let's that myth out.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2018, 05:20:35 PM
They did at one point move production from Covington GA to Cali. 

They also tried to pass their stunt doubles off as them for a season or two. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2018, 05:22:31 PM
The first five only were filmed in GA.  Surprisingly, the film industry is huge in GA now.

https://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/arts-culture/film-industry-georgia

I see stuff being filmed around where we live routinely, and we get notices when some street is being blocked off for film work.

The state provides a very large incentive for this, but I suppose it generates jobs for extras and gofers.
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Post by: ELA on December 30, 2018, 05:31:01 PM
I was talking to a couple guys about that at work recently.  You get to the end of the credits of a lot of movies, you see the logo indicating it was filmed in Georgia.
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Post by: TyphonInc on December 30, 2018, 06:10:51 PM
Thanks, corrected it.
"Was in a shootout" just explains away a loss?  Mmmkay.
Your hypothesis that kids losing their next to last game, ending aspirations of National title chance, causes them to not play as hard; is in fact refuted by the "it was a close game" counter. 
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2018, 08:45:53 PM
Baseball uniforms peaked in the 70s. 

Basketball, not so much. 
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 01:02:16 PM
VT punished for playing good defense, and Cincinnati gets a TD on a BS rule.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2018, 02:08:48 PM
I watched a few minutes and saw a VT RB clearly in the end zone from the 1.  He was half a body length over the line, and it was not called a TD or even reviewed.  They scored on the next play.

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Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2018, 02:18:54 PM
Why must Pitt wear these unis?
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Post by: mcwterps1 on December 31, 2018, 02:20:10 PM
Pitt QB hit late IMO. No call.
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2018, 02:28:11 PM
Baseball uniforms peaked in the 70s.

Basketball, not so much.
http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/database.htm#database
A great site to review.  I very much love some of the solids worn by the Giants, A's and Pirates of the 70s.
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Post by: mcwterps1 on December 31, 2018, 02:34:09 PM
10-2 Team vs a 6-6 team? One that lost to an FCS School, VT?

How did that happen? 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 31, 2018, 02:52:43 PM
Baseball uniforms peaked in the 70s.

Basketball, not so much.
Ish.
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.complex.com%2Fcomplex%2Fimage%2Fupload%2Fq_70%2Fukfdydc3mqaj4rhpeqje.jpg&hash=ccc0f0073995586bc5e160907a181bfd)
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 02:59:37 PM
Why must Pitt wear these unis?
Yeah, they made the right call going back to the script Pitt.  I'm on board with keeping the dark blue and gold, and rolling the others out as throwbacks, but I hate the color flip.
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 03:23:41 PM
Ah yes, now I remember how little I enjoyed watching this team this year.
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 03:27:16 PM
Crazy stat.  MSU had used 3 punters in Dantonio's 11 seasons prior to this.  They are on punter #5 this year.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 31, 2018, 03:31:20 PM
Did the QB that punts ever wind up doing both in the same game? 
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Post by: mcwterps1 on December 31, 2018, 03:39:13 PM
Pretty lucky there not to get an excessive penalty. Watch the ball drop to the ground and then slam the receiver down.

UMD would have been flagged. 
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 31, 2018, 03:48:08 PM
Fickel actually puts together a pretty good season. I didn't think he had it in him. Shows what I know. 
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 03:50:34 PM
Did the QB that punts ever wind up doing both in the same game?
No, once Lewerke got hurt, they stopped risking sending Lombardi out as a punter.  
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 03:51:21 PM
Nothing like just throwing up a jump ball to get picked when you are in chip shot FG range.
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 03:53:36 PM
Oregon's WRs are awful
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 31, 2018, 03:54:13 PM
Ah yes, now I remember how little I enjoyed watching this team this year.
I enjoy watching that defense all day long.   I just hope the offense can hold the ball long enough to keep the D fresh.
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 03:54:19 PM
Wow, and Oregon really blew downing that punt.  Would have stopped, then their own guy knocked it in.
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 31, 2018, 03:55:45 PM
Fickel actually puts together a pretty good season. I didn't think he had it in him. Shows what I know.
Not sure why you would doubt him.  He was a hell of a DC, and his only head coaching gig left him with 4 of his best players, including any QB with experience, off the roster.  Good recruiter as well. 
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 04:01:59 PM
I enjoy watching that defense all day long.   I just hope the offense can hold the ball long enough to keep the D fresh.
I live great defense, but watching the worst offense arguably in the entire FBS, every week, gets really, really old.
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 31, 2018, 04:05:33 PM
I live great defense, but watching the worst offense arguably in the entire FBS, every week, gets really, really old.
I wish Felton Davis didn’t suffer that freak injury.  That guy was a baller and had to be respected even without theball.
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 31, 2018, 04:09:02 PM
Sparty turning every game into a slog
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2018, 04:10:03 PM
Pretty lucky there not to get an excessive penalty. Watch the ball drop to the ground and then slam the receiver down.

UMD would have been flagged.
Do you think zebras consistently have it out for Maryland in football?
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2018, 04:10:50 PM
I dig Mizzous helmets.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 31, 2018, 04:12:35 PM
Not sure why you would doubt him.  He was a hell of a DC, and his only head coaching gig left him with 4 of his best players, including any QB with experience, off the roster.  Good recruiter as well.
Well mostly because his first season at UC sucked, but now that you mention it I also wasn't too impressed by his ability to tie the OSU school record for losses in a season that was sandwiched between an outright 2010 Big Ten Title (vacated) and an undefeated 2012, with a roster loaded up with a bunch of guys that played on one or both of those teams. 
But hey, here we are. I was wrong. Kudos to him. 
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 04:13:37 PM
There are still massive problems, but at least Lewerke makes the throws that are there.  Lombardi doesnt.  Problem is how rarely the throws are even there to be had.  No blocking, no separation from the receivers.  What like 4 presnap penalties already?
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 04:15:48 PM
And LJ Scott injured again.  Clear that even at like 70%, he's so much better than anyone else MSU has.  Heyward isn't a RB.
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 04:20:12 PM
Missed offsides.  Not that the offense could have done anything with the fresh set of downs anyway.
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 31, 2018, 04:29:50 PM
Well mostly because his first season at UC sucked, but now that you mention it I also wasn't too impressed by his ability to tie the OSU school record for losses in a season that was sandwiched between an outright 2010 Big Ten Title (vacated) and an undefeated 2012, with a roster loaded up with a bunch of guys that played on one or both of those teams.
But hey, here we are. I was wrong. Kudos to him.
When you lose your only good Wr - Posey, and your only experienced QB-Pryor, and your best RB- Herron, expectations aren’t going to be too high.
Also- not realistic to compare what Meyer did in 2012 in the mix, given he inherited a Braxton Miller with a year under his belt.  Fickle is a good coach, very well respected.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 31, 2018, 04:35:46 PM
When you lose your only good Wr - Posey, and your only experienced QB-Pryor, and your best RB- Herron, expectations aren’t going to be too high.
Also- not realistic to compare what Meyer did in 2012 in the mix, given he inherited a Braxton Miller with a year under his belt.  Fickle is a good coach, very well respected.
Yeah but those are kind of just excuses though, aren't they? 
Pryor and Barrett both won Big Ten Titles as Freshmen. And neither of them were as good as Miller. 
Besides. Miller picked up the Urban Meyer offense in one Spring session, as a Freshman, and then won his next 24 games.
Now I'm not saying that Fickel should have won the Big Ten Title in 11. It was a peculiar situation, no doubt. But what he did instead was he took his drivers test in a Ferrari, and wrapped it around a tree. 
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 04:48:06 PM
#2 S&P+ defense, #114 offense.  For comparison, 2013 was #2/#73.  So we don't even need to be good, let alone great, just middling.  UL Monroe is currently #73 in S&P+ offense.  Just be UL Monroe.
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 04:55:35 PM
Turf is crap.  Better get this crap fixed before they play the national championship on it in a week.  Guys are slipping all over the place.
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 04:57:54 PM
Jet sweep to the short side of the field.  Sigh.
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 04:59:35 PM
Three trips inside the 30, 3 total points.  I think Oregon has only crossed midfield once.  Said against Nebraska they'd break through late with all the points we left on the board, and I'll say it again.
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 05:00:57 PM
Three trips inside the 30, 3 total points.  I think Oregon has only crossed midfield once.  Said against Nebraska they'd break through late with all the points we left on the board, and I'll say it again.
Outgained them 233-90.  Left way too many points on the board.
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Post by: mcwterps1 on December 31, 2018, 05:17:06 PM
I know Michigan State's defense is really good, but is the Pac 12 so bad that Oregon somehow got 8 wins? 

I thought the ACC was bad.
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2018, 05:18:45 PM
Cant we watch one bowl game w/o searching high or low for what it tells us about conference depth?
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2018, 05:19:50 PM
Cant we watch one bowl game w/o searching high or low for what it tells us about conference depth?
Nope.
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 31, 2018, 05:43:22 PM
Herbert suddenly awesome
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 05:53:46 PM
Outgained them 233-90.  Left way too many points on the board.
Yup, Nebraska Pt. II
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 31, 2018, 06:14:42 PM
I don't have any more fingers left on how many mistakes you can make to give a game away.
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2018, 06:17:02 PM
This game a lot like the sun bowl.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 31, 2018, 06:20:00 PM
HOLY CRAP!!!
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 31, 2018, 06:23:27 PM
Hopefully this Sparty offense will die in a fire this off-season and be reborn into something that makes sense
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Post by: ELA on December 31, 2018, 06:27:36 PM
Our final two losses we allowed a total of 16 points.  Awesome.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 31, 2018, 06:33:54 PM
Our final two losses we allowed a total of 16 points.  Awesome.
Defense has never been a problem though. Even a serviceable offense gets Sparty 9-10 wins this season.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2018, 06:51:08 PM
This is - for me- a problem with toting up bowl wins and losses by conference.  Some of the outcomes could easily have gone the other way (like this one) had one team made a couple fewer miscues.  It doesn't mean Oregon is better than MSU, they just came out with a win.

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Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2018, 06:56:46 PM
No, we must declare conference supremacy !  Small sample size and context be damned!
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2018, 07:00:34 PM
Oh, look, a Big XII game.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 31, 2018, 07:03:09 PM
Oh, look, a Big XII game.
Heh.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 31, 2018, 07:04:43 PM
So, another NYE and another cool night at home for me and Mrs. 847. It's amateur night, after all, except in my home.


A couple of nice 1 LB tails, some home fries and a good salad. Doesn't get much better than that.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2018, 07:18:54 PM
I am posting in a tuxedo, black, with suspenders and bow tie, about to head out for dinner at a place called Atmosphere.

We go there for the food.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 31, 2018, 07:52:17 PM
Does your Tuxedo have TAILS??
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 31, 2018, 10:24:19 PM
Aw man Thorson hurt
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2018, 10:37:41 PM
Does your Tuxedo have TAILS??
No.  Dinner was great.  We ended at the bar with a couple Hennessey XOs.
Really like that place.
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 31, 2018, 10:41:27 PM
Power kitties!
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 31, 2018, 10:50:23 PM
Great win for the cats!   
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Post by: mcwterps1 on December 31, 2018, 11:37:20 PM
Way to go NW.
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 01, 2019, 08:43:39 AM
As great as Dantonio has been for MSU overall, the AD should tell him to clean out his office immediately or get rid of Bolman and Warner.

Bolman was completely incompetent at OC AND OL under Tressel at tOSU but it wasn't quite this bad because he had 5* talent at most positions. In East Lansing without that talent it is so bad that it is comical. 31 points in five games? 

https://amp.lansingstatejournal.com/amp/2454826002

https://amp.lansingstatejournal.com/amp/2452841002
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 01, 2019, 08:45:00 AM
So with Northwestern's win the B1G is now 3-3 with three to go.
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 01, 2019, 08:51:10 AM
Just going to post that MB.NU came back from a 20-6 halftime deficit with 28 unanswered points.Somewhere Marcel is lovin' it
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2019, 08:52:53 AM
So with Northwestern's win the B1G is now 3-3 with three to go.
West: 3-1 (Thanks Purdue)
East: 0-2


Dantonio is probably too loyal to whack Bollman. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2019, 09:13:44 AM
B1G!  B1G!  B1G!
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2019, 09:17:23 AM
B1G West B1G West B1G West!!
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2019, 09:31:20 AM
I have no issue with "pulling" for teams in your conference (or not), at least to a degree.  I was hoping Drew Lock would go out with a win, but he fell short, literally.  I thought Mizzou was a pretty solid team, was impressed with them, but they lost.

My bowl picks were pretty awful, worse than Clucko the Chicken.

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Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2019, 10:26:07 AM
So, my premise has been that underdogs win more often in bowl games than in the regular season.  I keep wanting to check this against reality but haven't done it.  This is based on the idea that the underdog is a better team than the favorite has played in 9 or 10 of the games played, usually, and "we" over estimate the difference between a Mizzou, say, and an Oklahoma State, along with the inherent variables in any game.
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 10:58:38 AM
I know the games were quite different, but SEC CCG outdrew Clem v ND.   ESPN sure paying a lot of money ($200 mil per playoff game), while CBS continues to fleece the SEC. Their annual deal iirc is something like $55 per year for the rights to all of those games not just ccg .  That deal runs another 5 years.   Just a guess but I bet CBS doesn't keep SEC tv rights past then .
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2019, 11:35:56 AM
CBS would need to up their ante, but they might to keep their GotW in that 3:30 slot on Saturdays.  It halos their other sports coverage.

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Post by: MrNubbz on January 01, 2019, 11:47:43 AM
My bowl picks were pretty awful, worse than Clucko the Chicken.

Watch it buster,back in the day I used CFN staff picks as a wagering tool - that's how I found the forum,well at least that part worked out okay.Any way Clucko beat Pete Futiak and the boys one season against the spread
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2019, 11:51:30 AM
Beating the spread is tough especially with the vig.

I guess that is why they have all those fancy casinos out west.
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Post by: GopherRock on January 01, 2019, 12:42:20 PM
We've got an old school Rose Bowl to look forward to tonight, and not just because it's the correct league champs playing in it. The a San Gabriel Mountains look mighty pretty compared to a teens-below-zero windchill. 
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Post by: ELA on January 01, 2019, 12:58:22 PM
This used to be the best sports day of the year.  Now it's about on par with Christmas NBA quintuple header.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2019, 01:08:18 PM
This used to be the best sports day of the year.  Now it's about on par with Christmas NBA quintuple header.
I wouldn't go that far my friend. This is far better then anything the NBA could put out there.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2019, 01:11:07 PM
Iowa turning it on big time. Clanga doesn't know what hit 'em.
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Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2019, 01:21:50 PM
Burrow with the pick 6 and gets absolutely obliterated on a block during the play.
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 01:24:10 PM
Ed O not pleased .
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2019, 01:30:49 PM
Someday Dave Aranda is gonna regret leaving Madison, if he doesn't already.
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Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
Here is the part of not taking a team seriously that I think is bullshit.  Even if your preparation wasn’t up to par once you get on the field you are playing against guys who are trying to physically impose their will on you.  Your adrenaline gets going and your competitive fire comes out.

Burrow just got rocked and then a UCF kid stood over him and trash talked him.  If LSU isn’t fired up after seeing it then they have never been fired up in their life.  Bama, Auburn, never.
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 01:34:57 PM
Someday Dave Aranda is gonna regret leaving Madison, if he doesn't already.
I dunno.  He doesn't seem unlike scores of coordinators with half a dozen stops over a decade.  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2019, 01:39:28 PM
I dunno.  He doesn't seem unlike scores of coordinators with half a dozen stops over a decade.  
He's on his 4th since 2008, with the first being 3 years in Hawaii and then 1 year at USU. He followed Andersen to Madison but decided to stay when Chryst came in. That only lasted a year though, when LSU pulled out a ridiculous sum of coin along with a 4 year contract that didn't tie him to Miles or any other head coach. He'd have stayed put otherwise. I think he'll be down there for a while still. Doesn't seem to be the kind to want a HC gig.
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Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2019, 01:46:46 PM
Iowa is getting murdered in TOP, but it’s not a stat that actually matters. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2019, 01:47:38 PM
Someday Dave Aranda is gonna regret leaving Madison, if he doesn't already.
But why? Gets paid super well to coach top-flight athletes. 
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 01:55:54 PM
I won't miss the mcsorley bat swing.
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Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2019, 01:57:06 PM
Burrow showing stones coming back from that big shot.  Two TD passes on two possessions since then.
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2019, 02:10:01 PM
Burrow showing stones coming back from that big shot.  Two TD passes on two possessions since then.
Yes, on the last play he was face masked and speared helmet to helmet.  No calls.
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2019, 02:11:35 PM
Yes, on the last play he was face masked and speared helmet to helmet.  No calls.
Whoops...looks like they ejected the kid on the commercial break.
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 02:13:33 PM
Is Buddy Ryan's ghost on the UCF sideline?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 01, 2019, 02:15:23 PM
Iowa gives up 2 big turnovers. 14 points. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2019, 02:20:15 PM
But why? Gets paid super well to coach top-flight athletes.
He got paid pretty well (not super well) to coach some darn good athletes in Madison too. Ones who could execute his very complex system. :67:
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Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2019, 02:24:03 PM
Dudes are getting ejected in this UCF game like wild fire.
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Post by: ELA on January 01, 2019, 02:40:15 PM
PSU special teams no bueno today.  Two missed FGs and a failed punt
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 02:51:58 PM
Fiesta Bowl is a lot of fun.   Though, we could do w/o all of the cheap shots.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2019, 02:52:09 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a team in LSU's situation - 4 CBs out before the game, then another one ejected, then a starting safety ejected.....against a passing team.  This is nuts.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2019, 02:53:56 PM
Is Iowa going to win a game with only 138 total yards??
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 03:02:56 PM
That was a gift
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 03:22:18 PM
Yes,  gain an additional yard to make it 4th and long, instead of heading OOB.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2019, 03:38:42 PM
B1G West B1G West B1G West!!
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2019, 03:45:08 PM
Feel good story Benny Snell.
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Post by: LittlePig on January 01, 2019, 03:50:16 PM
B1G West B1G West B1G West!!
Big Ten West is 8-1 in bowls the last 2 seasons, going 4-1 this season and 4-0 last season.
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Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2019, 03:51:02 PM
Man, UCF was just spent playing for that slim hope of a playoff spot. Just can’t get up for a bowl game without much on the line. 

:)
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 04:06:59 PM
Kentucky suddenly thinks they are playing Florida .
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2019, 04:09:42 PM
Well done Iowa!!

penn State fighting hard.   Let’s go Lions,
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
PSU finally showed up
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Post by: ELA on January 01, 2019, 04:29:19 PM
If PSU special teams had been playing this whole time they'd have already won.
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2019, 04:35:11 PM
1:39 2nd down for UK No TOs
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 04:39:41 PM
This would be classic UK football ending .
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 04:40:35 PM
Iowa wins w negative 15 yards on ground.
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2019, 04:41:58 PM
But can't get a stop on defense
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2019, 04:43:56 PM
I am just shocked Franklin chose a FG there.   Never got the ball back- entirely predictable.
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Post by: ELA on January 01, 2019, 04:45:02 PM
UCF is a McKenzie Milton away from winning this one
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Post by: TyphonInc on January 01, 2019, 04:45:26 PM
Color me shocked. I had PSU 2nd in my confidence pool. (Behind Wisconsin)
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2019, 05:11:21 PM
Rose Bowl looks beautiful
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2019, 05:14:51 PM
UCF earned some respect.
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Post by: ELA on January 01, 2019, 05:15:52 PM
Rose Bowl looks beautiful
Never doesn't
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2019, 05:17:26 PM
Quick three and out for the Bucks
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2019, 05:28:37 PM
Had a hard time completing a pass, but caved Washington in running the ball. 7-0
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 01, 2019, 05:31:33 PM
Watching Kentucky earn a program uplifting win Vs Penn St and just moments ago seeing Ohio St finish a touchdown drive, plus along with all the other Bowls I’ve watched, it’s reinforced how much the Big Ten is Ohio State’s conference. Everybody else trails by a long shot.
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 05:37:28 PM
Getting a late start on the chuck roast on the egg.  Will eat during sugar bowl.
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2019, 05:56:48 PM
Getting a late start on the chuck roast on the egg.  Will eat during sugar bowl.
I've always heard chuck roast makes a good BBQ but have not yet tried it
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2019, 06:04:36 PM
Workmanlike drive by OSU.
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2019, 06:04:43 PM
Bucks able to pass block on that drive. 14-3
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 06:05:33 PM
It's good.  Place a pan beneath catch the drippings w a cup of red wine, some beef broth later and it makes a really tasty gravy.  I'm worried it won't be done til 9est.  I'm certain it will be great for lunch tomorrow .  Wife and kids won't eat it anyways.  

Nice to have my outdoor tv on the breezeway to watch the rose .
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2019, 06:06:09 PM
OSU may blow them out.
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Post by: rook119 on January 01, 2019, 06:24:52 PM
Browning will have a long NFL career if he gets lucky and never has to play a down. 
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2019, 06:28:40 PM
OSU may blow them out.
Letting them hang around with their 6 illegal procedure penalties.    Not good.  
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2019, 06:36:48 PM
See if the defense can finish of this half
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2019, 06:44:39 PM
Touchdown number 50!
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2019, 06:50:00 PM
UCF earned some respect.
Ehh, I got a phone call in the 3rd quarter - it was LSU asking if I had any experience at CB.
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2019, 06:58:15 PM
OSU >>> UW
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Post by: FearlessF on January 01, 2019, 07:18:43 PM
UCF earned some respect.
not from AfroMan
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Post by: FearlessF on January 01, 2019, 07:20:59 PM
OSU may blow them out.
Grandaddy of them all is over
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2019, 07:22:29 PM
OSU may blow them out.
Yup.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 01, 2019, 08:01:44 PM
Peterson trying to prove us wrong
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2019, 08:19:59 PM
No blow out.
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2019, 08:21:39 PM
Buckeyes seem to have lost their mind on offense. Run some clock.
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2019, 08:28:25 PM
This is bizarre. UW punting, OSU passing.
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2019, 08:47:01 PM
Probably unnecessary drama at the end, but Urbs goes out a winner
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 08:47:35 PM
Settle down bevo
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2019, 08:51:08 PM
One more bowl.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2019, 09:06:37 PM
Damn, dozed off 28-3, woke up to see UW's last TD drive and the ending.



btw, that's 2 comparisons between Texas' QB and Tim Tebow....if there is a third, I will post Ehlinger's season with Tebow's worst and then I'll hang up and listen.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 01, 2019, 09:34:14 PM
1st quarter could have gone much better for the Horns

17-0
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 09:38:52 PM
Is the Georgia punter planning to transfer to GASO?
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2019, 09:41:38 PM
Alright, dammit, that's 3....and they show the graphic themselves, comparing soph seasons:





Ehlinger
64.3% for 3,123 yds, 25 TD-5 INT, 148.5 rating
143 att for 418 yds (2.9 ypc) and 13 TDs




Tebow
66.9% for 3,286 yds, 32 TD-6 INT, 172.5 rating
210 att for 895 yds, (4.3 ypc) and 23 TDs





Find another comp, announcers!  He's more of a Collin Klein.
I love the "Ehlinger's the better passer" and the immediate backtrack.  Brilliant!
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2019, 09:42:40 PM
Rip Tyler Trent 
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2019, 09:46:21 PM
RIP everyone who will die of cancer today, probably a number in the thousands.
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Post by: TyphonInc on January 01, 2019, 09:47:46 PM
GO BUCKEYES!
ROSE BOWL CHAMPS!
Meyer 83-9!

It's great to be a Buckeye Fan.
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Post by: TyphonInc on January 01, 2019, 09:49:19 PM
Rip Tyler Trent
Eww. RIP Tyler, your story, and courage inspired many.

And ditto RIP to the 1000's of others who passed away today that we know nothing about.

https://www.hammerandrails.com/2019/1/1/18164600/tyler-trent-passes-away
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2019, 09:51:24 PM
GO BUCKEYES!
ROSE BOWL CHAMPS!
Meyer 83-9!

It's great to be a Buckeye Fan.
Incredible career.  
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Post by: ELA on January 01, 2019, 10:10:31 PM
Cheers to that fired up Texas fan and his Michelob Ultra
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 12:32:52 AM
Because their hopes and dreams were not dashed in their previous game.  Why is this so hard to understand?
2018 teams eligible to not play motivated:
Michigan
Georgia





These teams were going to be in the NCCG or CFP, but lost their last game of the season, rendering their big goals moot.  Only two of them won in such a case.  This isn't some convoluted BS, based on Bama losing to Utah in 2008, it's a real, live thing.  It doesn't guarantee a loss in their bowl game, but it does guarantee these 21 year old kids have less to play for than they did the game before, and often times, this affects their play.  Period.

2 for 2 on it this year.  Small sample, ongoing, but piling up the evidence (outcomes).
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Post by: TyphonInc on January 02, 2019, 02:04:16 AM
Damn. SVP peeling the onions tonight. Gave a Tyler Trent a farewell; after Purdue beat OSU he promised Tyler a seat on his show, and ended tonight with an empty seat next to a Boiler helmet.
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Post by: Drew4UTk on January 02, 2019, 08:55:53 AM
Damn. SVP peeling the onions tonight. Gave a Tyler Trent a farewell; after Purdue beat OSU he promised Tyler a seat on his show, and ended tonight with an empty seat next to a Boiler helmet.
dang man.... that kid was a testament to 'living' when you know the end is near, and begs the question why we don't 'live' ALL the time.  He inspired many with his pure spirit.  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2019, 09:07:56 AM
Minnie, UW, NU and Iowa were all underdogs, and all got wins. Purdue and MSU were dogs too. PSU, OSU and UM were favored. Overall a terrible performance by the East this year.
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Post by: TyphonInc on January 02, 2019, 10:05:15 AM
Minnie, UW, NU and Iowa were all underdogs, and all got wins. Purdue and MSU were dogs too. PSU, OSU and UM were favored. Overall a terrible performance by the East this year.
PSU losing, still just boogles my brain. I didn't see the game and am assuming props need to be given to Kentucky.
A lot of feel good going to OSU right now, but I wonder if historians will bring up OSU didn't cover the spread.
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Post by: Entropy on January 02, 2019, 10:32:34 AM
Power 5 Bowl results:

Big 12: 4-3; .571
B1G: 5-4; .556
SEC 6-5; .546
ACC: 5-5; .500
Pac-12: 3-4; .429


saw that on twitter.. if you believe bowl games are indications of conference strength, this would suggest CF had a lot more balance than you'd see or hear on ESPN.
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Post by: utee94 on January 02, 2019, 10:38:29 AM
Settle down bevo
Probably not a good idea to put a yappy little dog right in front of him, dressed up in a red sweater no less...
I really enjoyed that game.  Georgia mounted a heck of a comeback when they could have packed it in.  Their running back is extremely talented.
Sam Ehlinger had a heck of a game, but I sure don't want to see him doing that with any regularity during the regular season next year.  

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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 02, 2019, 10:52:31 AM
not from AfroMan
Me either. I agree with @Orange Afro Man (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1485) . UCF played one decent opponent this year and lost. 
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Post by: Mdot21 on January 02, 2019, 11:08:05 AM
2 for 2 on it this year.  Small sample, ongoing, but piling up the evidence (outcomes).
Good predictions. 
OSU demoralized Michigan with that beatdown in Columbus and then like 5 starters for Michigan just said man f this bowl I’m sitting out. 
Georgia had Bama beat, an SEC title in its hands and a trip to the playoff and then they crapped the bed and let the backup QB come in and lead the comeback win. Gotta be tough to turn around and get motivated to play a young hungry Texas team looking to prove itself by knocking off an SEC power. 
Give Georgia credit though, they didn’t quit like Michigan. They were asleep for 95% of the game but they didn’t just quit like Michigan did.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2019, 11:24:49 AM
You'd think after getting demoralized that the kids and coaches would have something to prove.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on January 02, 2019, 11:30:01 AM
Sometimes the matchup just isn't favorable. And sometimes the breaks don't go your way. And sometimes the ball starts rolling down the wrong hill and there's no stopping it. Blowouts happen. Ohio State is way better than Purdue--no one disputes that, right? Michigan is way better than the way it played against Florida.

(Says the Notre Dame fan trying to console himself...)
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2019, 11:30:46 AM
I don't think the demoralized thing is a good excuse at all.

Having some players not playing is an excuse I can accept, to the extent excuses matter at all.

A lot of the bowl games were close and could have gone either way.  PSU nearly beat UK, I'd call that one a tie, same with Iowa and MSU, and many others, in terms of team comparisons.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2019, 11:32:56 AM
Me either. I agree with @Orange Afro Man (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1485) . UCF played one decent opponent this year and lost.
I agree with this statement, but......
with the back up QB, they were not outclassed and run out of the stadium.  They had some game.
and they showed up to play.  Not all bowl teams did.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on January 02, 2019, 11:37:04 AM
I don't think the demoralized thing is a good excuse at all.

Having some players not playing is an excuse I can accept, to the extent excuses matter at all.

A lot of the bowl games were close and could have gone either way.  PSU nearly beat UK, I'd call that one a tie, same with Iowa and MSU, and many others, in terms of team comparisons.

VERSUS

Give Georgia credit though, they didn’t quit like Michigan. They were asleep for 95% of the game but they didn’t just quit like Michigan did.

OR...

Sometimes the matchup just isn't favorable. And sometimes the breaks don't go your way. And sometimes the ball starts rolling down the wrong hill and there's no stopping it. Blowouts happen. Ohio State is way better than Purdue--no one disputes that, right? Michigan is way better than the way it played against Florida.
Difference between the fan of a team that had some dawg in the fight versus fans of teams that got smocked.
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Post by: utee94 on January 02, 2019, 11:38:41 AM
You'd think after getting demoralized that the kids and coaches would have something to prove.
Yeah... you would, wouldn't you?  ;)
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2019, 11:45:34 AM
Yeah... you would, wouldn't you?  ;)

Of course. I don't buy the "didn't show up" stuff. Never have and never will. These kids want to win. If they didn't, they wouldn't play football or any other participate in any competitive activity. The idea that you can't get up for a bowl game against a respectable opponent it ludicrous. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Entropy on January 02, 2019, 11:47:38 AM
Of course. I don't buy the "didn't show up" stuff. Never have and never will. These kids want to win. If they didn't, they wouldn't play football or any other participate in any competitive activity. The idea that you can't get up for a bowl game against a respectable opponent it ludicrous.
clearly you've never been introduced to an SEC loss in a bowl game...  they never wanted to be there, hence the loss.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Mdot21 on January 02, 2019, 11:47:48 AM
You'd think after getting demoralized that the kids and coaches would have something to prove.
Think a lot of those kids checked out after the OSU debacle. 
Higdon was a team captain and really the leader of that offense and the go to player for that offense. 
Bush was the same for the defense. Leader of the defense and team captain. 
Gary also sat and he was their most talented player. Winovich played through an injury that needs surgery and wasn’t himself. He should’ve sat out and had the surgery. 
I think lot of those kids just checked out. Didn’t want to be there. Apparently neither did the OC Pep Hamilton, as the very next day he was on the sideline of an NFL game in Green Bay and rumors are swirling that he’s taken an NFL job.
 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2019, 11:49:04 AM
I consider a closely contested game to be a "tie" in terms of how teams compare, as I noted above.

A blow out is a statement, a solid win by 14+ is a statement, anything under 5 points or so is a "tie" to me, depending on things like random turnovers etc.

Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Entropy on January 02, 2019, 12:06:59 PM
I agree with this statement, but......
with the back up QB, they were not outclassed and run out of the stadium.  They had some game.
and they showed up to play.  Not all bowl teams did.
What I've read this year on Twitter:

Georgia loses to LSU by 20: They're the second best team in the country!

UCF loses to LSU by 8: Total frauds. Never speak of them again.


:)
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Entropy on January 02, 2019, 12:13:52 PM
and yes.. I know LSU was missing players.   UCF was missing their starting QB and played a freshman... who had only started 1 other game.  

I just find it humorous that so many are so quick to dismiss a non power five team and so quick to defend a helmet school.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2019, 12:14:43 PM
and the Dawgs are barely a helmet
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2019, 12:19:08 PM
and the Dawgs are barely a helmet
Not true. They are not at all a helmet.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Entropy on January 02, 2019, 12:50:45 PM
tell that to espn..
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 02, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
I consider Georgia to be a semi-helmet, plus they enjoy the current SEC halo effect.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 02, 2019, 01:05:27 PM
I agree with this statement, but......
with the back up QB, they were not outclassed and run out of the stadium.  They had some game.
and they showed up to play.  Not all bowl teams did.
I wasn't paying all that close of attention but my understanding was that the four DB's playing for LSU were a walk-on, a water-boy, a cheerleader, and a mascot.
Do I have that confused with another team/game?
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2019, 01:10:18 PM
Medina under-estimates the impact of a water boy. Jeez.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2019, 01:16:31 PM
UCF clearly was a competitive team with LSU.  (to me anyway).  I thought they acquitted themselves well, but they don't belong with Clemson and Alabama.

And I'll say again that a lot of the results could have gone either way with another random break or turnover.  Most of the matches were competitive, or close to it, and no one should claim "dominance" based on winning 27-24, or whatever.

If a conference went 8-1 and 7 of the wins were by 5 points, I'd chalk it up more to luck than anything else.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 02, 2019, 01:20:13 PM
bowls are strange in that it allows coaches opportunity to dissect opponents and build a scheme specifically against them... it also allows the coaches who believe they're just better to show how being unprepared will cost you.  

it was Urban who said (or may have repeated) "The winner is the better prepared team"... i've found that to be true 99.9% of the time. 

in the case of UT vs UGA last night, UT came to play and were all out all game- even said, the dawgs roster started to overtake them in the fourth... even as 'prepared' as the horns were, they fatigue like anyone- anyone who doesn't have layers of talent (stars) on the roster, that is... UGA's attempt at comeback is explained by that alone, imHo... Texas came to not only play, they came to WIN... UGA (specifically the staff) made a mistake by not adjusting to Texas's style of play- figuring they could run the same they've ran all season and buying into the hype they're that much better.  Oops.    

If texas can capture that motivation and carry it with them through next season, they're going to be tough to beat... problem: that is exceedingly hard to do, and is negated by 'roster' in most cases, especially as the season goes on.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Entropy on January 02, 2019, 01:22:45 PM
Texas' problem next year will be they won't face many offenses that line up like Georgia and attack them traditionally.   They will play a lot of spread teams that run up tempo which will limit the impact of their DL (which appeared to me to be Texas' strength last night)
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 02, 2019, 01:23:08 PM
as UCF was a key player, LSU was also playing with a lot of missing parts.... but UCF played with guts and moxy- gotta give them that for certain.  LSU is a mystery, still... they can stand and play with anyone, and then they fold up early against others.  I find this game really doesn't tell as much as we want it to at face value. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Entropy on January 02, 2019, 01:25:38 PM
what it told me is the best on power 5 teams can play one game with probably all but 2 power 5 teams.... (and most power 5 teams can't play with those 2 either).    They just lack the depth to play 4 or 5 in a row.   They do have quality starters.  My opinion on that hasn't changed.   
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 02, 2019, 01:26:13 PM
Texas' problem next year will be they won't face many offenses that line up like Georgia and attack them traditionally.   They will play a lot of spread teams that run up tempo which will limit the impact of their DL (which appeared to me to be Texas' strength last night)
yeah they won't have that 'luxury' of using their strengths directly against another team's, true- it's up to Herman to figure out how to counter it..... they also won't have a month to figure out a scheme and get their dander up... but they may have opportunity to play with the moxy they brought last night.  that confidence can go a long way for them, and is more or less what i was referring to. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 02, 2019, 01:28:27 PM
Texas' problem next year will be they won't face many offenses that line up like Georgia and attack them traditionally.   They will play a lot of spread teams that run up tempo which will limit the impact of their DL (which appeared to me to be Texas' strength last night)
Yup it's funny, Texas would probably fare better in the SEC than in the B12.  Regardless, you have to find ways to win games and the Horns are getting better at that.

Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 02, 2019, 01:31:16 PM
yeah they won't have that 'luxury' of using their strengths directly against another team's, true- it's up to Herman to figure out how to counter it..... they also won't have a month to figure out a scheme and get their dander up... but they may have opportunity to play with the moxy they brought last night.  that confidence can go a long way for them, and is more or less what i was referring to.
There's also a ton more young talent in the pipeline than we've had since that 2009 team that played for the national championship.  You correctly pointed out that Georgia's advantage in talented depth enabled them to mount the comeback in the 4th quarter.  But that type of advantage will be reduced next year, and pretty much gone the following year.

Herman has proved he's pretty good at coaching from the underdog role, but things are going to be different when it's Texas that has the clear talent advantage at every position versus most opponents, and it's 3 layers deep-- which is coming.  How well will Herman do when that's the case?  We're about to find out.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 02:28:23 PM
Of course. I don't buy the "didn't show up" stuff. Never have and never will. These kids want to win. If they didn't, they wouldn't play football or any other participate in any competitive activity. The idea that you can't get up for a bowl game against a respectable opponent it ludicrous.
You don't have to believe it for it to be true.
I'll start by saying everything matters.  Every little thing plays into influencing how these KIDS play.
Their grades situation, their girlfriend situation, their home situation, what they did last night with their friends, their relationship with the HC, position coach, between teammates, etc....and I think you'd agree with all of that.
You've also cited in the past that you can't fathom not being able to "get up" for 12 measly games.  Yes, to us, the fans, it's 12 games (or 13 or 14 or whatever - a small number), but to these players, it's a grind.  Practices, film study, staying eligible - it wears on them.  Yes, a great HC will keep things fresh and mix it up and not let the season seem like a marathon.  From August to January, it's football everyday.  But set that aside.
So you're in this grind and things are going great and you're on the cusp of something special.  Something your entire home town will celebrate, something that will make your family proud of you forever, something the school will promote long after you're gone...but then you lose.  All of that is gone.  The uniqueness of your season - your potential eternal notoriety is gone.  Just like that.  And now you have this additional game.  A game that will win you back none of what had previously been on the table.  A game that you have to travel to...maybe you don't want that additional, NOW (comparatively) meaningless game to be an away game.  Maybe the hoopla the week leading up to the game was fun and you got some swag, but none of it injects any of the importance into the bowl game that your last game had.
When a player is playing in a football game, he's trying.  He wants to do his job and whip the guy in front of him and be better than him.  But that internal motivating fire is not there, in the instances of Michigan and Georgia.  Call it a human flaw, but stop saying it's not a thing.  It so obviously is.  So whether the players are more chill on the sideline, having conversations and enjoying a cup of Gatorade rather than being fire-and-brimstone with their position groups or whatever else that lack of fire does to their performance, it's a thing.
Who you play matters, just as we agreed up top, that everything matters.  But more than that, who you play matters in comparison to who you are.  A bowl date with 9-3 Penn State in Tampa is big-time if I'm somebody like an 8-4 Iowa State or 9-3 Syracuse...but if I'm 10-2 Alabama or 11-1 Texas, it's a letdown.  A bowl matchup needs to be on your level or above your level to feel sexy and get the juices flowing (in that one aspect of many).  No, Penn State probably wasn't stoked to face Kentucky - not sexy.  Yes, UCF was probably up to play LSU and LSU probably bummed that they were paired up with UCF.  It's not fair, but it's true.  
Michigan AND Florida fans would've liked some variety this bowl season, but neither got it.  So what transpired from the pairing?  Both sides groaning about playing each other again.  One side had the motivation of revenge.  The other side had players sitting out.  One side, with the newer coach, loved the opportunity to "get back" where the program wanted to be.  The other side had playoff aspirations and were now playing a 9-3 team that they beat last year.  From primetime with all eyes watching to a noon kickoff.  
And I've never said any of this guarantees a loss from the unmotivated team, just that they tend to lose and have this built-in REASON (not excuse) for doing so.  This dissension you keep sharing is starting to look religious - blind faith in the face of mounting evidence against it.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2019, 02:41:43 PM
You Yes, a great HC will keep things fresh and mix it up and not let the season seem like a marathon.  From August to January, it's football everyday.  But set that aside.
a great head coach and his great assistants are well paid to find motivation for the kids and get them to play well.  Even in a meaningless bowl game, because......... because it's not meaningless to the fans who write the checks

and great coaches know enough to recruit kids that are or can be motivated easily to play well

some 4 and 5 star recruits are only there as a step to the NFL and have been pampered since they put on pads.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2019, 02:42:38 PM
I think the more salient point is that bowl opponents are worthy opponents, probably better than all but 2 or 3 opponents faced all year.

Even better teams can lose to somewhat less good opponents in a single game, obviously.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2019, 02:45:12 PM
true

how many teams did Georgia or Michigan play that were as good as their bowl opponent?
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 02:53:08 PM
On G5 vs P5:
We're often given a very good G5 team from year to year, whether it was Boise or TCU or Utah or BYU or Hawai'i or UCF or whoever it will be 2 years from now, there's a group of 5 conferences, and the best team(s) from them is usually very good.




That beings said, we don't know how good they truly are and never will.  We never will, because we can't go back in time and have an individual team play a difficult slate of games.  2008 Utah might have been the best team in the country.  But we'll never know - and not because of any disservice to them.  We'll never know, because they waited until their last game to peak and they waited until their last game to peak because their schedule was so weak.  Yes, most of that is due to their conference slate, but also OOC:
2 point win vs an eventual 3-9 Michigan
3 point win vs an eventual 9-4 Oregon State
Funny, the UM win probably gave Utah more street cred than the OSU win, but look at the records.  Close wins over a very bad team and a barely ranked/unranked team.  That doesn't suggest they'd be able to swing with the big boys.  That's fair, isn't it?  Looking at past results to make a prediction...the past results didn't say they couldn't beat a top 5 team, just that it was probably unlikely.  But, as luck would have it, Utah got a chance to play a top 5 team.  And they won!  




But we have the issue of my above post here.  Alabama had just lost all of their hopes a dreams the game before.  They had a #1 draft pick suspended.  They were playing an unsexy program.  Blah blah blah...




But toss that aside, they showed they could do it!  And that's great, it really is.  But they did it after playing the 80th-strongest schedule.  They had that magical zero in the loss column against the 80th-ranked schedule.  They literally didn't play back-to-back games in which both teams had a winning record.  Hell, if you go down their schedule, every other game was against a team with 8 or more losses.  It's astounding.




Now for the sake of argument, let's go ahead and say Utah was the best team of 2008.  How would we know?  We don't have enough data points to have any confidence in that.  Even with the comfortable win vs Alabama, their resume is severely lacking.  Is it the employer's fault that the prospective employee came to the interview with a severely deficient resume?  They might become your best worker, but you'd never hire them.  That's not on us, that's on the person/program.




If your conference affiliation prevents an undefeated season from earning you national championships, then you need to exit that conference or change the system.  Period.  TCU and Utah saw this and were proactive about it.  UCF is bitching and moaning.  Think about it - Alabama needed zero consecutive wins to make the playoff - that's how high up their program is.  They could've lost vs Georgia and still been included in the playoff - the Bama program and the SEC conference fuel that.  Right or wrong, it's true.  Now while that is the top of the mountain, other teams have found where they're at - OU found out they could make the playoff with 'only' 7 straight wins.  Ohio State found out they couldn't get in with only 5 straight wins.  Georgia, thanks to its program and conference affiliation, learned it could almost get in with zero wins, but not quite.  But it's probably a number in the single digits, to be sure.




So UCF learned this year that 25 consecutive wins wasn't enough to make the playoff.  No, last year shouldn't matter, but alas, as limited human minds involved in the decision-making process, it does.  Which is why Alabama's magic number is lower than anyone else's.  Clemson's is next lowest, and so on.  UCF needs to do what TCU/Utah did and get into a better conference OR change the system, like 2004 Auburn had a hand in, or the programs/conferences left out in 2011 did.




Saying we're pretend national champs or wanting brownie points for keeping it close is the wrong way to go about it.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 02:54:22 PM
true

how many teams did Georgia or Michigan play that were as good as their bowl opponent?
You're literally ignoring the entire point.  I'm giving you credit for not missing it, just ignoring it.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 02:55:54 PM
I think the more salient point is that bowl opponents are worthy opponents, probably better than all but 2 or 3 opponents faced all year.

Even better teams can lose to somewhat less good opponents in a single game, obviously.
Not to a 20 year old.  A 9-4 Texas team that only got into the game because of conference tie-ins isn't sexy.  Hell, there's a thread on the SEC board wondering aloud if it's a disgrace they were in it.  So c'mon.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 03:01:02 PM
a great head coach and his great assistants are well paid to find motivation for the kids and get them to play well.  Even in a meaningless bowl game, because......... because it's not meaningless to the fans who write the checks

and great coaches know enough to recruit kids that are or can be motivated easily to play well
Ehh, mayyyybe some of the fringe guys to fill out a class, but no, i don't believe this comes into play at all.  All coaches think they can motivate anyone.
some 4 and 5 star recruits are only there as a step to the NFL and have been pampered since they put on pads.
Annnnd every program in the country gobbles them up as fast as they can.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on January 02, 2019, 03:03:25 PM
Probably not a good idea to put a yappy little dog right in front of him, dressed up in a red sweater no less... 
HA!Mess with the bull ya get the horns,congrats to the 40 Acres
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 03:06:32 PM
clearly you've never been introduced to an SEC loss in a bowl game...  they never wanted to be there, hence the loss.  
FFS, it's not an SEC thing.  Don't be smarmy.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2019, 03:07:56 PM
how many teams did Georgia or Michigan play that were as good as their bowl opponent?
Georgia played LSU, Florida, Kentucky, and Alabama and went 2-2.  Texas would be in that group aside from Bama, so call it 2-1, or add Mizzou and call it 3-2.
Michigan played ND and Ohio State and Penn State and went 1-2.  Florida is probably roughly on par.
The simple fact is that when the 5th best team plays the 15th best team, they are in for a tough game more times than not, and will lose about 1 time in 3.  You can explain this without resorting to anything about "they didn't show up".
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on January 02, 2019, 03:16:23 PM
On G5 vs P5:
We're often given a very good G5 team from year to year, whether it was Boise or TCU or Utah or BYU or Hawai'i or UCF or whoever it will be 2 years from now, there's a group of 5 conferences, and the best team(s) from them is usually very good.




That beings said, we don't know how good they truly are and never will.  We never will, because we can't go back in time and have an individual team play a difficult slate of games.  2008 Utah might have been the best team in the country.  But we'll never know - and not because of any disservice to them.  We'll never know, because they waited until their last game to peak and they waited until their last game to peak because their schedule was so weak.  Yes, most of that is due to their conference slate, but also OOC:
2 point win vs an eventual 3-9 Michigan
3 point win vs an eventual 9-4 Oregon State
Funny, the UM win probably gave Utah more street cred than the OSU win, but look at the records.  Close wins over a very bad team and a barely ranked/unranked team.  That doesn't suggest they'd be able to swing with the big boys.  That's fair, isn't it?  Looking at past results to make a prediction...the past results didn't say they couldn't beat a top 5 team, just that it was probably unlikely.  But, as luck would have it, Utah got a chance to play a top 5 team.  And they won!  




But we have the issue of my above post here.  Alabama had just lost all of their hopes a dreams the game before.  They had a #1 draft pick suspended.  They were playing an unsexy program.  Blah blah blah...




But toss that aside, they showed they could do it!  And that's great, it really is.  But they did it after playing the 80th-strongest schedule.  They had that magical zero in the loss column against the 80th-ranked schedule.  They literally didn't play back-to-back games in which both teams had a winning record.  Hell, if you go down their schedule, every other game was against a team with 8 or more losses.  It's astounding.




Now for the sake of argument, let's go ahead and say Utah was the best team of 2008.  How would we know?  We don't have enough data points to have any confidence in that.  Even with the comfortable win vs Alabama, their resume is severely lacking.  Is it the employer's fault that the prospective employee came to the interview with a severely deficient resume?  They might become your best worker, but you'd never hire them.  That's not on us, that's on the person/program.




If your conference affiliation prevents an undefeated season from earning you national championships, then you need to exit that conference or change the system.  Period.  TCU and Utah saw this and were proactive about it.  UCF is bitching and moaning.  Think about it - Alabama needed zero consecutive wins to make the playoff - that's how high up their program is.  They could've lost vs Georgia and still been included in the playoff - the Bama program and the SEC conference fuel that.  Right or wrong, it's true.  Now while that is the top of the mountain, other teams have found where they're at - OU found out they could make the playoff with 'only' 7 straight wins.  Ohio State found out they couldn't get in with only 5 straight wins.  Georgia, thanks to its program and conference affiliation, learned it could almost get in with zero wins, but not quite.  But it's probably a number in the single digits, to be sure.




So UCF learned this year that 25 consecutive wins wasn't enough to make the playoff.  No, last year shouldn't matter, but alas, as limited human minds involved in the decision-making process, it does.  Which is why Alabama's magic number is lower than anyone else's.  Clemson's is next lowest, and so on.  UCF needs to do what TCU/Utah did and get into a better conference OR change the system, like 2004 Auburn had a hand in, or the programs/conferences left out in 2011 did.




Saying we're pretend national champs or wanting brownie points for keeping it close is the wrong way to go about it.  
For the most part, I actually agree with this, outside the sort of easy of saying “Utah and TCU did something about it.”
They got lucky. They did some of the right things, but mostly got lucky with the right seismic shifts in the sport. UCF can do any and everything in the world, but it can’t work it’s way into a conference without the landscape of the sport changing. Chances are the system will change and the UCFs or Boises of the world will get lucky by the other means. 
(Also, the straight wins part is kinda silly, but creative in a fun way)
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 03:19:30 PM
Well, all I'm saying is that it's predictive, and were 0-2 this year and they're 2-6 in the past six years.  Favored teams that went from potential NC to no NC in their final game before the bowls.  Favored, highly-ranked teams don't go 2-6 for no reason.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 03:22:02 PM
(Also, the straight wins part is kinda silly, but creative in a fun way)
I actually think it could be a valid way to rank teams by up-to-the-minute helmetosity.  But it's just been an idea that's been floating around in my head recently.  ie - how few consecutive wins could a program have and still be included in the playoff - top helmet teams - single digits, G5 teams 13+, etc.  If I had to guess UCF's, it's probably in the 30s.  If they went undefeated again next year, there would be an outcry to finally give them a shot.  Alabama's is literally zero.  Georgia's is probably 3-4, other helmet programs are below ten.  Someone like Eastern Michigan...probably in the 40s or 50s - 4+ straight seasons of undefeated records to even get close.  


Up-to-the-minute in that we'd all agree Nebraska is more of a historical helmet than Georgia, but if they both went 12-1 and both lost in week 4 of this season, Georgia's getting in and UNL is left out.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 03:35:23 PM
The more academic way of putting it is that intrinsic motivation should be enough and often is enough.  However, the "hoopla' we call the build-up to the national championship - the race or hunt or whatever, begins to pound an extrinsic motivation into these players, and when it's removed, something is lost.



The coach's challenge is to prevent 70 college age kids from buying in to the extrinsic motivations, which is hard to do.  The cameras, interviews, talented ladies, trophies, awards, etc......replace that intrinsic motivation, and having all your players block it out is probably impossible, so you try your best to not have your 20-30 best players not buy into it all.




This is perfectly obvious, guys.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2019, 03:40:45 PM
If we assume that UGA is really better than Texas, as reflected in their rankings, I think we could expect Texas to win 1 time in 3 hypothetical match ups, maybe 1 in 4.  With only one game played, the lesser probable item happened.

Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on January 02, 2019, 03:43:48 PM
I don't disagree, but I don't think you can exclude Ohio State from the category of that.  They went into that Northwestern game thinking they'd be in with a win.  They certainly had a chance, and I don't think there's a single player in that room that was going to rationally break down the resumes.  I don't think it requires a loss to have your goals stripped away going into bowl season.  I think TCU and Baylor in 2014 also fit the mold.  I don't remember what happened to TCU that year, and while Baylor lost, they were up 20 in the 4th quarter, they certainly didn't come out and look flat or anything.

I think it can be a reason, but it can also not be a reason.  I don't think it, like anything, is universally a factor.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 04:05:04 PM
That's why I limit it to going from 100% in with a win to 100% out since they lost.  Eliminate all the "maybe" gray in between.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Entropy on January 02, 2019, 04:42:58 PM
FFS, it's not an SEC thing.  Don't be smarmy.  
it's not exclusive, just one conference embraces it more than others..
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 04:54:41 PM
Probably because it happens more often to SEC teams?  You have to first be in line for the playoff to then suddenly be left out of the playoff.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 02, 2019, 06:57:07 PM
I think the more salient point is that bowl opponents are worthy opponents, probably better than all but 2 or 3 opponents faced all year.

Even better teams can lose to somewhat less good opponents in a single game, obviously.
i'll subscribe to this.  and i'll point out that this works in both directions... meaning, UCF is as good as all but 2 or 3 of LSU's Schedule... and that Texas is as good as all but 2 or 3 of UGA's schedule...  
and tossing in, just for good measure, that UT(the real UT) beat an Auburn team that beat the snot out of a Purdue team that put a beating on an tOSU team who beat the champion of the PAC- making UT by proxy better than the B1G, the PAC, and capable, obviously, of beating anyone not in the SEC.  or... maybe... they're in the "2 or 3" block mentioned.  Right now they're undefeated, so... 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 07:01:15 PM
Auburn had the double-whammy last year of being a letdown team playing an unsexy opponent.  Hell, I should've bet money on the game.  




Think:  Kansas State, 1998
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2019, 07:19:05 PM
The usual schedule the top teams play as well all know is:

3 pastries
6 half decent teams that will be 5-7 to 7-5/8-4
3 pretty good teams  9-3/11-1

There are exceptions of course.  So, any bowl team a top level team plays is going to be in the latter category.

Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 07:53:15 PM
The usual schedule the top teams play as well all know is:

3 pastries
6 half decent teams that will be 5-7 to 7-5/8-4
3 pretty good teams  9-3/11-1

There are exceptions of course.  So, any bowl team a top level team plays is going to be in the latter category.


Not UCF.....
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2019, 08:31:57 PM





Think:  Kansas State, 1998
UCLA, 1998?
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 08:53:41 PM
Sure.  
And sometimes the letdown team wins, like Florida in 2009 (albeit vs a Cincinnati team you could argue was part of a P5-type conference, but was not a P5-type team).



What was that year USC lost to UCLA like 14-9, let me look them up.
That was 2006, ranked #2, lost to UCLA 13-9, but beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, however....
Michigan fits the bill, as they were in line for the BCS spot, but lost to OSU.  So someone in that Rose Bowl was going to be the "letdown" team and end the year with 2 losses after having the national championship in their grasp.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Kris60 on January 02, 2019, 10:18:35 PM
Sure.  
And sometimes the letdown team wins, like Florida in 2009 (albeit vs a Cincinnati team you could argue was part of a P5-type conference, but was not a P5-type team).



What was that year USC lost to UCLA like 14-9, let me look them up.
That was 2006, ranked #2, lost to UCLA 13-9, but beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, however....
Michigan fits the bill, as they were in line for the BCS spot, but lost to OSU.  So someone in that Rose Bowl was going to be the "letdown" team and end the year with 2 losses after having the national championship in their grasp.
I actually think Florida was the more motivated team in 2009.  Meyer had announced he was leaving before the game and UF wanted to send him out on a high note.  Besides that, Cincinnati was just as close to making the BCS title game that year as UF was.  If Texas misses that FG against Nebraska UC is playing Bama in BCS title game.
And then Brian Kelly took the ND job and didn’t coach them in the bowl game which I think kind of deflated them too.  I always viewed that game as the perfect storm of horror for UC.  Not only were they the inferior team but they came in less motivated than Florida.  It showed in the results.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 02, 2019, 10:47:30 PM
...... and kelly left behind butch jones, who played derrick dooley as the head coach of tennessee and lost- leaving me thinking "dooley actually out coached another coach and team; i'll be damned" just for tennessee to fire dooley and hire jones the year following... what a shame... i can't recall the details from all the good days, but recall all the bad.  

damn it.... this place sucks.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on January 03, 2019, 12:16:38 AM
Can I play the sometimes the letdown team wins game?   I'm just winging this from memory of old pre-game 'letdown' fodder.
1986 Oklahoma   42-8 over Arkansas in Orange (lost to Miami and was a spectator to PSU v Miami)
1996 Nebraska 41-21 over VaTech in Orange (crushing defeat to UT in first XII CCG, cost chance at 3 MNCs in a row)
1999 Nebraska 31-21 over Tenn in Fiesta (one loss, ahead of #2 VT in some metrics, not in BCS title game)
2000 Nebraska 66-17 over NW in Alamo (close one point loss at KSU bumped them out of XII CCG and down to Alamo)
1988 Miami 23-3 over N in Orange (ND beat WVA in Fiesta for title, Miami 'wuz robbed at ND'.
1990 Miami 46-3 over Texas in Cotton  (we all like bringing up this one, Randall Hill running with cheetahs)
2000 Miami 37-20 over Florida in Sugar  (no explanation needed, they beat FSU, FSU got nod to score 2 pts vs OU)
2008 Texas 24-21 over Ohio St. in Fiesta (OU loses to UT, UT lost to TT, OU finished ahead of UT, goes to BCS title)
2010 Alabama 49-7 over MSU in Citrus (Fla beat Bama in CCG)

we get it, I get it, let downs happen, but there's as much evidence to present to demonstrate that it can be managed.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 03, 2019, 12:38:53 AM
Can I play the sometimes the letdown team wins game?   I'm just winging this from memory of old pre-game 'letdown' fodder.
1986 Oklahoma   42-8 over Arkansas in Orange (lost to Miami and was a spectator to PSU v Miami)
1996 Nebraska 41-21 over VaTech in Orange (crushing defeat to UT in first XII CCG, cost chance at 3 MNCs in a row)
1999 Nebraska 31-21 over Tenn in Fiesta (one loss, ahead of #2 VT in some metrics, not in BCS title game)
2000 Nebraska 66-17 over NW in Alamo (close one point loss at KSU bumped them out of XII CCG and down to Alamo)
1988 Miami 23-3 over N in Orange (ND beat WVA in Fiesta for title, Miami 'wuz robbed at ND'.
1990 Miami 46-3 over Texas in Cotton  (we all like bringing up this one, Randall Hill running with cheetahs)
2000 Miami 37-20 over Florida in Sugar  (no explanation needed, they beat FSU, FSU got nod to score 2 pts vs OU)
2008 Texas 24-21 over Ohio St. in Fiesta (OU loses to UT, UT lost to TT, OU finished ahead of UT, goes to BCS title)
2010 Alabama 49-7 over MSU in Citrus (Fla beat Bama in CCG)

we get it, I get it, let downs happen, but there's as much evidence to present to demonstrate that it can be managed.

I can't help but think you haven't read what I've posted about this.  
In 1986, OU lost to Miami in September.  The "letdown" effect only comes into play when a team loses its last game of the season (pre-bowl) when if they had won it, they'd be in the playoff/NCG, etc.
Sigh.
Your "conclusion" is incorrect because it's based on BS.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 03, 2019, 12:44:37 AM
96 Nebraska is not applicable, they were #3.  99 UNL is not.  Neither is 2000 UNL.  88 Miami doesn't apply, 90 Miami doesn't, 2000 Miami lost its 2nd game of the year, so that has nothing to do with this, either.  
Christ, man.  08 Texas is wrong as well, and 2010 Alabama you just made up or are terribly confused.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Kris60 on January 03, 2019, 06:05:55 AM
2007- WVU over Oklahoma in the Fiesta.  You won’t find a bigger letdown team that won its game than 2007 WVU.  Lost its last regular season game to a 28 point underdog Pitt team to play its way out of the BCS National Title.  Then, Rich Rodriguez bolts for Michigan a few days later.

Those were some dark days man.  Some dark days indeed.

Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2019, 07:29:27 AM
The Badgers won a bowl game after losing to OSU (and losing its spot in the playoff) in the CCG just one year ago. It's all about mindset and preparation.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: TyphonInc on January 03, 2019, 07:36:37 AM
I consider Georgia to be a semi-helmet, plus they enjoy the current SEC Alabama halo effect.  
FIFY
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2019, 07:48:06 AM
I found it really fun to watch the Miami players huddled around the sideline heaters last week, while the UW players were huddled around each other and their coaches.


:72:
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 03, 2019, 07:55:26 AM
Just an excuse for poor coaching.

Same as when a team falls short in a near upset of OSU, then gets hammered by Indiana the following week and they say "that team let OSU beat 'em twice"
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2019, 08:01:58 AM
Looks like TV ratings slipped for the playoffs. The Rose Bowl did very well.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2019, 08:15:26 AM
Looks like TV ratings slipped for the playoffs. The Rose Bowl did very well.
Sugar Bowl did well too.  Up 28% from last year and 47% from the year before that.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2019, 08:16:42 AM
I found it really fun to watch the Miami players huddled around the sideline heaters last week, while the UW players were huddled around each other and their coaches.


:72:
I didn't see this game, but I saw the final score, and was very pleased with it. Congrats! :)
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on January 03, 2019, 08:42:18 AM
You can have your arbitrary 'letdown' goalposts, and I can have mine.    Every one of those examples i posted are games where the 'letdown' candidate was really expected to be somewhere else and were reminded of it by the press.   The fact that some of the losses  didn't occur in either the first weekend of December, or precisely at the end of the regular season, doesn't make it any less visceral.    There were/are weeks and weeks between CCGs or final reg season games and bowls as it is.   
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2019, 08:51:21 AM
You can have your arbitrary 'letdown' goalposts, and I can have mine.    Every one of those examples i posted are games where the 'letdown' candidate was really expected to be somewhere else and were reminded of it by the press.   The fact that some of the losses  didn't occur in either the first weekend of December, or precisely at the end of the regular season, doesn't make it any less visceral.    There were/are weeks and weeks between CCGs or final reg season games and bowls as it is.  
Completely agree, and I addressed this in the new thread OAM created, dedicated to the alleged "let-down."  In short, dismissing all of those teams renders the hypothesis invalid. But there are other problems with it as well.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2019, 09:12:32 AM
This was so predictable. How stupid are some people? Who thought this through?


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Prices for tickets for Monday night's championship in Santa Clara have been plummeting the past few days. Factors include the College Football Playoff final being located thousands of miles away from the two campuses, possible fatigue for fan bases of teams that have become annual participants in the playoff, and a game site in an expensive market lacking college football die-hards.


"It's sort of a perfect storm of factors at play this year," said Jesse Lawrence, the founder of TicketIQ, a secondary ticket market. "It's a big ask for fans to come, and that's why we're seeing the prices the way they are."


Tickets for the championship game are now available for just $135 on the secondary market, according to TicketIQ, less than half of what the price was before the semifinals and well below the face-value price of $475.


StubHub had even cheaper tickets available Wednesday night, with seats priced at $115 -- less than double the cost of a parking pass on the ticket-resale site.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Entropy on January 03, 2019, 09:41:48 AM
I found it really fun to watch the Miami players huddled around the sideline heaters last week, while the UW players were huddled around each other and their coaches.


:72:
only time this year I pulled for your team....   =)
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Entropy on January 03, 2019, 09:45:28 AM
We all know let downs happen.   These are kids after all and remaining focused is tough.   This is where I give Saban the most credit...  despite all the wins, his team still plays motivated.   But they are still L's at the end of the day and they don't dismiss a teams results.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Kris60 on January 03, 2019, 10:13:49 AM
This was so predictable. How stupid are some people? Who thought this through?


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Prices for tickets for Monday night's championship in Santa Clara have been plummeting the past few days. Factors include the College Football Playoff final being located thousands of miles away from the two campuses, possible fatigue for fan bases of teams that have become annual participants in the playoff, and a game site in an expensive market lacking college football die-hards.


"It's sort of a perfect storm of factors at play this year," said Jesse Lawrence, the founder of TicketIQ, a secondary ticket market. "It's a big ask for fans to come, and that's why we're seeing the prices the way they are."


Tickets for the championship game are now available for just $135 on the secondary market, according to TicketIQ, less than half of what the price was before the semifinals and well below the face-value price of $475.


StubHub had even cheaper tickets available Wednesday night, with seats priced at $115 -- less than double the cost of a parking pass on the ticket-resale site.

This is why I don’t want to hear about talk of expanding the playoffs above eight and also why even if they go to eight the QF and SF rounds should be played at the home of the highest ranked team.  All these extra neutral site games are a huge burden on fans and they shouldn’t be expected to pack all of these stadiums.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2019, 10:22:56 AM
This is why I don’t want to hear about talk of expanding the playoffs above eight and also why even if they go to eight the QF and SF rounds should be played at the home of the highest ranked team.  All these extra neutral site games are a huge burden on fans and they shouldn’t be expected to pack all of these stadiums.
I think the 2 semi's they have now should be played on home sites. Fans only have so much money to throw around. If I'm a Bama fan, am I supposed to cough up coin to go to Atlanta and then two other places on short notice? F that. I'd take the money from just one of those trips and buy an 85 inch.

I'm thinking the boys out at Levi Stadium better unpack all those seat tarps from the PAC 12 championship game. Maybe they can even borrow some from the Raiders.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2019, 10:25:03 AM
This is why I don’t want to hear about talk of expanding the playoffs above eight and also why even if they go to eight the QF and SF rounds should be played at the home of the highest ranked team.  All these extra neutral site games are a huge burden on fans and they shouldn’t be expected to pack all of these stadiums.
Totally agree with both yours and badgerfans takes here.
But also keep in mind, this is the SECONDARY market they're talking about.  You know, the "legalized" scalpers that screw over the common fans on a daily basis.
I'm more interested to see how the PRIMARY sales went, and how actual attendance looks.  I doubt the place will be empty, although it might not be as full as they'd like.  I'll be curious to read any post-mortem on this game's actual attendance figures once it's been played.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2019, 10:28:00 AM
I'll be even more curious to see how this does with TV ratings.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Kris60 on January 03, 2019, 11:52:11 AM
I think the 2 semi's they have now should be played on home sites. Fans only have so much money to throw around. If I'm a Bama fan, am I supposed to cough up coin to go to Atlanta and then two other places on short notice? F that. I'd take the money from just one of those trips and buy an 85 inch.

I'm thinking the boys out at Levi Stadium better unpack all those seat tarps from the PAC 12 championship game. Maybe they can even borrow some from the Raiders.
I agree about the semi’s being played at home sites now.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on January 03, 2019, 01:02:09 PM
I'd like to know how many Clemson fans have been to say 8 of the 11 neutral site games.  Just crazy.  Not even mighty NFL would play neutral site conference title games or have multiple neutral site games.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 03, 2019, 01:29:18 PM
Outside of having to play all of your home games in an alternate stadium for construction or what have you, I wonder what the record is for neutral site games in a season?

Five is conceivable if Texas, Oklahoma, Florida or Georgia scheduled one OOC on a year that they were elite. All four have one built into the Conference slate, then the CCG, then the Final Four. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2019, 01:31:51 PM
Outside of having to play all of your home games in an alternate stadium for construction or what have you, I wonder what the record is for neutral site games in a season?

Five is conceivable if Texas, Oklahoma, Florida or Georgia scheduled one OOC on a year that they were elite. All four have one built into the Conference slate, then the CCG, then the Final Four.
Check with Bama.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on January 03, 2019, 01:58:13 PM
Northwestern plays 6 or 7 neutral site games in Evanston each year.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2019, 02:03:20 PM
Ha!
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: rolltidefan on January 03, 2019, 03:01:05 PM
Check with Bama.
this is something we could easily look up with the bobs database.
as for the game, with the ticket prices, i've thought about going. but then i checked flights and hotel... nope.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on January 03, 2019, 03:02:34 PM
this is something we could easily look up with the bobs database.
as for the game, with the ticket prices, i've thought about going. but then i checked flights and hotel... nope.
I heard flights are the part stopping most people.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2019, 03:06:32 PM
this is something we could easily look up with the bobs database.
as for the game, with the ticket prices, i've thought about going. but then i checked flights and hotel... nope.
I wish he would have it back up, but that's not the case. Yet. Hopefully this offseason he can do it.
As for the question, Bama probably has the record. It has played 4 in many years leading up to this one, including this one.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on January 03, 2019, 03:27:18 PM
In 2020, UGA plays Virginia in Atlanta and Florida as usual, plus potentially 3 neutral site post season games, so that is one example.

Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2019, 03:30:00 PM
Atlanta. Neutral for UGA. Heh.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2019, 03:40:57 PM
Texas doesn't host one-off neutral site games so it's unlikely that we'd ever have more than TX-OU at a neutral site during the regular season.  With a CCG, playoff game, and national championship game, then our max potential neutral site games in a season would be 4.

A couple of years ago UCLA gave up a home game to play us in Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, TX.  So I guess you could call that a "neutral site" game but in reality it was just a road game played against UCLA in a stadium not named the Rose Bowl.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 03, 2019, 04:00:39 PM
this is something we could easily look up with the bobs database.
as for the game, with the ticket prices, i've thought about going. but then i checked flights and hotel... nope.
R/T for me to get there and back is under $280 from LAX, not counting taxes and fees... Heck, barely over $300 for SNA. 
Honestly, though, I really should have thought this through earlier and scheduled a business trip up there overnight. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2019, 04:44:59 PM
I'll be in Cabo for 8 days starting Saturday. I'm pretty sure that's a better destination than Santa Clara right now. I'm also pretty sure I won't be watching football.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2019, 05:14:14 PM
I'll be in Cabo for 8 days starting Saturday. I'm pretty sure that's a better destination than Santa Clara right now. I'm also pretty sure I won't be watching football.
Amen brutha.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 03, 2019, 05:21:20 PM
Santa Clara is chilly right now. Not Wisconsin chilly, but definitely bowl game chilly.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: rolltidefan on January 03, 2019, 05:29:04 PM
I heard flights are the part stopping most people.
cheapest i've seen is ~$1300/person. can get cheaper flights if you stay a night or 2, but then the hotels eat up the 'savings' and you're right back at ~$12-1500.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: rolltidefan on January 03, 2019, 05:33:50 PM
I wish he would have it back up, but that's not the case. Yet. Hopefully this offseason he can do it.
As for the question, Bama probably has the record. It has played 4 in many years leading up to this one, including this one.
i imagine bama is tied with uga for most. each have had 4 recently. uga (wlocp, seccg, rose, cfp title game) had 4 last year, bama the 2 years prior and again this year. (early season game, seccg, semi, title game)

uga had 4 before the cfp in 2011 (atlanta kickoff classic, wlocp, seccg, bowl game). they also played in another ko classic in '16, but didn't make the seccg or cfp so only had 3.

ou/texas will join them if/when they make the cfp title game. uf as well.

what are the other annual neutral rivalries?
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on January 03, 2019, 06:42:05 PM
I think the 2 semi's they have now should be played on home sites. 
Ya went over all this in the past.I'm decidedly against expansion for that reason fans bases can't be expected to be deadheads.Airline,hotel,ticket,uber/taxi fares would break everybody but the 1%ers.Only problem visiting fans/programs would bitch at the home field.Just like the ones do now who don't make the Play off cut
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on January 03, 2019, 06:44:28 PM
I'll be in Cabo for 8 days starting Saturday. I'm pretty sure that's a better destination than Santa Clara right now. I'm also pretty sure I won't be watching football.
Hey didn't you just take some pricey Euro road trip - Bastage
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 03, 2019, 07:38:55 PM
If one of the Washington, Oregon, California, or Arizona schools in the Pac-12 were playing, they would have no problem filling the place with willing fans. Alas, that was not to be. Heck, if any new school were involved, that would probably be the case. But to have the third championship game between these two teams in the past four years at a location really far from their homes (and the fourth year in a row that they play each other in some game in the CFP)? That's a recipe for low ticket sales. This is more the fault of Clemson and Alabama than it is of the championship game organizers.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on January 03, 2019, 07:49:05 PM
If one of the Washington, Oregon, California, or Arizona schools in the Pac-12 were playing, they would have no problem filling the place with willing fans. Alas, that was not to be. Heck, if any new school were involved, that would probably be the case. But to have the third championship game between these two teams in the past four years at a location really far from their homes (and the fourth year in a row that they play each other in some game in the CFP)? That's a recipe for low ticket sales. This is more the fault of Clemson and Alabama than it is of the championship game organizers.
I half agree. 
Levi Stadium is still in a bad spot, in a part of that area that's not close to much. Flights are still at four figures, and hotels are sort of a mess.
I loathe LA, but at least you can attack that a lot of different ways. Northern San Jose is sort of a mess. 
Lets put it this way. I bet if this was the same situation, but the game was in the Rose Bowl, or heck, wherever the Rams play, it would mostly be fine. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on January 03, 2019, 07:51:06 PM
cheapest i've seen is ~$1300/person. can get cheaper flights if you stay a night or 2, but then the hotels eat up the 'savings' and you're right back at ~$12-1500.
I wonder if more people had tried Sacramento. You save about $500 or so, I think.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 03, 2019, 08:34:08 PM
I feel like I called this.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 03, 2019, 08:35:00 PM
Just an excuse for poor coaching.

Same as when a team falls short in a near upset of OSU, then gets hammered by Indiana the following week and they say "that team let OSU beat 'em twice"
That's also a thing, but a separate thing.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 03, 2019, 08:36:53 PM
Completely agree, and I addressed this in the new thread OAM created, dedicated to the alleged "let-down."  In short, dismissing all of those teams renders the hypothesis invalid.

Wrong, the timing of the loss is the whole deal, that's the point.  That's the observation I'd had.  You can dismiss that, but then you're missing the point.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2019, 11:33:30 PM
Wrong, the timing of the loss is the whole deal, that's the point.  That's the observation I'd had.  You can dismiss that, but then you're missing the point.
The letdown is emotional.  Your overly narrow definition is inadequate and inaccurate.  If you don't understand that, then you don't even understand the very point you're attempting to make.
I'm willing to work with you, I'm willing to entertain your idea.  But your starting point is so very wrong, that unless you fix it, it's meaningless and irrelevant.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 03, 2019, 11:47:53 PM
The letdown is emotional.  Your overly narrow definition is inadequate and inaccurate.  If you don't understand that, then you don't even understand the very point you're attempting to make.
I'm willing to work with you, I'm willing to entertain your idea.  But your starting point is so very wrong, that unless you fix it, it's meaningless and irrelevant.

My definition is inadequate to you.  I'm not sure why you're wanting me to lump in a bunch of teams that don't fit the criteria of the oddity I've observed in my "overly narrow" scope.  THAT would be inaccurate.  THAT would be dishonest.  Artificially inflating a sample size of 20 with an additional 50 data points in order to appease utee94 would be inadequate and inaccurate.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 03, 2019, 11:49:45 PM
You're unwilling to acknowledge the emotional difference between going 11-1 and losing in September and going 11-1 and your only loss occurring in your 12th game.  



I can't help you.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2019, 11:52:22 PM
My definition is inadequate to you.  I'm not sure why you're wanting me to lump in a bunch of teams that don't fit the criteria of the oddity I've observed in my "overly narrow" scope.  THAT would be inaccurate.  THAT would be dishonest.  Artificially inflating a sample size of 20 with an additional 50 data points in order to appease utee94 would be inadequate and inaccurate.  
It's not just me that's rejecting your oddly limited definition of emotionally impacted teams, when you're attempting to prove that emotional impact is a major factor.  Look at the threads.  I'm hardly the only one rejecting your definitions and assertions.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2019, 11:53:23 PM
You're unwilling to acknowledge the emotional difference between going 11-1 and losing in September and going 11-1 and your only loss occurring in your 12th game.  



I can't help you.
You're choosing to be intellectually dishonest about the emotional letdowns of college athletes.  I can't help you.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 03, 2019, 11:55:51 PM
It's not just me that's rejecting your oddly limited definition of emotionally impacted teams, when you're attempting to prove that emotional impact is a major factor.  Loom at the threads.  I'm hardly the only one rejecting your definitions and assertions.
A bunch of "nuh uh"s and "I doubt it"s aren't really going to sway me, lol.  
A 12-15 record by a bunch of teams with an average win% of well over .900, to me, is noteworthy.  Instead of shitting all over my hypothesis, why don't you do the research on YOUR set of teams and see what comes out?
You know, DO something.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 03, 2019, 11:56:26 PM
You're choosing to be intellectually dishonest about the emotional letdowns of college athletes.  I can't help you.
You type this because I'm being too narrow in my scope?  The hell?



OAM, you're being too specifc, damn you!  Damn you to hell!
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2019, 11:58:08 PM
A bunch of "nuh uh"s and "I doubt it"s aren't really going to sway me, lol.  
A 12-15 record by a bunch of teams with an average win% of well over .900, to me, is noteworthy.  Instead of shitting all over my hypothesis, why don't you do the research on YOUR set of teams and see what comes out?
You know, DO something.
You're the one attempting to prove your hypothesis.  You have yet to do so.  Why are you asking me to do your job for you?
Also, please feel free to limit your contentions to the thread you created to harbor them.  That was a good idea and I applaud it.  No need to clutter up THIS thread by repeating the same stuff being discussed on the thread you created specifically for it.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 05, 2019, 05:42:06 PM

NDSU raked in another Fcs NC. 

(https://media.socastsrm.com/wordpress/wp-content/blogs.dir/2068/files/2018/11/ndsu-bison-logo-300x220.png)

That's like six of the last seven, or some such. 

Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on January 05, 2019, 06:24:19 PM
 Will be interesting to see if another coaching change slows that dynasty at all. The last one didn’t, but who knows? 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 05, 2019, 06:24:25 PM
Northern Alabama?
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 07, 2019, 10:29:51 AM
I think that tonight's game is big in terms of how Clemson will be viewed when we look back at this era in say 20 years.  

So far in the CFP era (5 years, 2014-2018) the Tide have made the playoff every year and only ever lost TWO CFP games:

In CFP game Bama leads Clemson 2-1.  If Clemson wins tonight then that moves to even and Clemson joins Bama as one of two MAJOR powers of this era.  If the Tide win then Clemson hasn't done much more than Ohio State (knocked off Bama once and won one NC).  Also, over the past two years you can argue that Bama's biggest contender is UGA not Clemson especially if the Tide run the Tigers out of Levi's Stadium tonight.  

Overall, Bama is 14-3 against Clemson.  The Tigers won the first two meetings (both neutral site @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) will be glad to know, LoL) then Bama reeled off 13 straight from 1909-2016 before Clemson's NC win in 2017 (2016 season).  Then Bama won again last year.   
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 07, 2019, 11:10:18 AM
What will (or should) the final rankings be?

I don't realistically think that Ohio State can get into the top-4.  In theory there might be an argument to rank them ahead of 2-loss Oklahoma on the basis of 2-losses or ahead of ND on the basis of ND not being competitive against Clemson but there is a REALLY strong counter-argument to either of those:

That said, Ohio State is a complete lock for #5 because the #6 (UGA), #7 (UCF), #8 (M), and #9 (Washington) teams in the last AP Poll all lost in their bowl games.  So here is what I think it will be:
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 07, 2019, 05:57:14 PM
The utter lack of 2-loss teams this year is so weird.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 08:07:43 PM
Actually going to try and watch some of this tonight. Still feels so anticlimactic being on Monday night, but here we are
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 07, 2019, 08:09:06 PM
I just played the matchup on my cards & dice game....
48 Alabama
21 Clemson

Tide got up 31-0 at halftime, including a pick-6.  Then Jacobs ran the 2nd half kickoff back 100 yards.  Clemson fought back, but too little, too late.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 08:10:24 PM
I just played the matchup on my cards & dice game....
48 Alabama
21 Clemson



Oof, I hope not. These teams are both really good, hoping for a classic
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 07, 2019, 08:11:26 PM
Does that stadium have enough luxury suites?  
Hell, how long before we have a stadium with no outdoor seating?  Could that be what stems the attendance issues?  Pfft.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 07, 2019, 08:12:04 PM
Oof, I hope not. These teams are both really good, hoping for a classic
Me too.  I'd rather Clemson wins, but Bama is Bama.  And if the game is decided by a rub route again, that would be lame.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 07, 2019, 08:13:41 PM
The audio people don't realize they're televising a college football game....all you can hear is smoke and fire going off, drowning out the bands.~???
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 07, 2019, 08:14:25 PM
Rocket Ismail and Patrick Willis is a pretty good pair....
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Post by: ELA on January 07, 2019, 08:21:44 PM
Not an ideal start for Clemson offense.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on January 07, 2019, 08:22:12 PM
Not an ideal start for Clemson offense.
Guess it could be worse
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 08:22:57 PM
Clamson!
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 07, 2019, 08:24:46 PM
Ha, I had a pick-6 in my game, just the wrong team.
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 08:29:23 PM
Birma!
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 07, 2019, 08:30:02 PM
If Clemson plans on covering Jeudy with a safety......this game is going to get NC-17 real fast.
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Post by: ELA on January 07, 2019, 08:36:54 PM
Big XII be damned
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 08:37:26 PM
Clumson!
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 08:44:43 PM
Kind of cool and depressing that both these quarterbacks are back next year
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on January 07, 2019, 08:46:59 PM
Dabo unpleased
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Post by: ELA on January 07, 2019, 08:47:35 PM
This is bordering on unwatchable.
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 07, 2019, 08:50:20 PM
Could we have kicked this at you know 8? Not like the west coast cares about this and it's still gonna bleed into 8pm pst easily.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on January 07, 2019, 08:56:48 PM
Clemsons OL is giving Lawrence plenty of time
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 07, 2019, 09:01:26 PM
I doubt many NFL games will be played with as many 1st round picks on one field.  Soon or future 
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 07, 2019, 09:05:22 PM
Will anyone wear the shit out their championship ring more than Butch Jones?
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 09:15:15 PM
Whew!
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 07, 2019, 09:17:56 PM
Are the offenses this good, or the defenses this bad? 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 09:22:50 PM
Are the offenses this good, or the defenses this bad?
The offenses are that good
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on January 07, 2019, 09:24:10 PM
The defenses are not bad. Perhaps they've been abused a bit herein, but the off skill player talent in this game is obscene.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 09:27:22 PM
Both these teams have strong rushing attacks, as well as top tier quarterbacks and receivers and a willingness to attack all over the field  They are extremely difficult to defend, which is why these here to date very strong defenses haven't looked so hot.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 09:29:15 PM
Climson!
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 09:40:47 PM
Now that was some defense
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 09:48:49 PM
If Bama can't pressure Lawrence, might as well pack up and go home
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Post by: Kris60 on January 07, 2019, 09:56:48 PM
I really don’t understand Saban not trying to get a score before halftime.
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 07, 2019, 09:59:08 PM
I don't get it either (I rarely understand turtling), but he hates his kicker and knows he's getting the ball back after the dragon show.   Still, you can't leave 3 points on the turf when you've given up 31.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on January 07, 2019, 10:02:30 PM
Even the halftime shows scream that college football just desires to be a worse version of the NFL.  Shame
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on January 07, 2019, 10:06:11 PM
At least they aren't in the stadium and at least one can watch the bands on the other espn channels.    that shipped sailed when the other Simpson girl performed (and was booed loudly) at the Orange Bowl between OU and USC.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 07, 2019, 10:08:06 PM
Imagine Dragons sounds terrible. 
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 07, 2019, 10:10:21 PM
Tiger Rag is a great fight song, especially in person at LSU and at Clemson, no matter which band plays it, though I'll admit mostly because I haven't logged 4 million listens the way I have Boomer Sooner et al.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on January 07, 2019, 10:14:01 PM
At least they aren't in the stadium and at least one can watch the bands on the other espn channels.    that shipped sailed when the other Simpson girl performed (and was booed loudly) at the Orange Bowl between OU and USC.
Damn, didn't know there was a bands channel.
I actually like Imagine Dragons well enough, just not during a college football game.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 10:22:41 PM
Intentional grounding should be called more
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 07, 2019, 10:23:49 PM
Of course I once saw Nel Carter singing w elephants on the Orange Bowl field.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 10:32:28 PM
Don't get the fake there.  Would have been better off with Tua
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 07, 2019, 10:33:41 PM
Reminds me of VT trying to run option w kicker and holder vs FSU w Mike Vick on sidelines 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Kris60 on January 07, 2019, 10:36:11 PM
Saban being out coached 
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 10:37:14 PM
Is Bama going to get run out the stadium?
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Post by: fezzador on January 07, 2019, 10:42:01 PM
Bama is fixing to give up 50 points tonight
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Post by: ELA on January 07, 2019, 10:45:23 PM
Such a weird game.  Alabama moves the ball at will, then slips on a banana peel.  Clemsons offense has been largely inconsistent, but they've gotten two big plays from each side of the ball to rack up 28 points.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on January 07, 2019, 10:48:27 PM
Each team has ability to make you pay for the slightest misstep.
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Post by: Kris60 on January 07, 2019, 10:52:22 PM
Little factoid. In 12 seasons at Bama Saban has only lost 5 games by double digits and never by more than 14 points.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on January 07, 2019, 10:59:07 PM
Can't coach that.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 11:00:09 PM
Wow Ross is a hell of a receiver
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: fezzador on January 07, 2019, 11:04:56 PM
No excuse for Bama getting absolutely schooled like this.  This team has simply quit.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Kris60 on January 07, 2019, 11:07:44 PM
No excuse for Bama getting absolutely schooled like this.  This team has simply quit.
I really don’t think so. Just getting outplayed.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 07, 2019, 11:07:59 PM
Anyone still want to argue that this Bama squad is the greatest CFB team ever assembled? 

They don't even qualify for a discussion of the top 5 Bama teams under Nick Saban. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on January 07, 2019, 11:10:16 PM
Bama ain't quitting.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: fezzador on January 07, 2019, 11:16:03 PM
Clemson has an unreal red zone defense.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 07, 2019, 11:24:00 PM
This is beautiful
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 07, 2019, 11:25:59 PM
A masterpiece for Clemson.  Very impressive .
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 11:36:52 PM
So will this result affect whether the committee will allow Bama in the playoffs in the future
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on January 07, 2019, 11:48:56 PM
Ha, Dabo cheap shot over remote location .
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: TyphonInc on January 08, 2019, 06:48:47 AM
well, frack. If I would have know this game would have been a kick to Saban's balls I may have watched it.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: TyphonInc on January 08, 2019, 07:28:19 AM
I know I know Cowherd is a blow hard, he is advocating for the CFB playoff to be smaller not bigger. He said all we needed this year was 'bama and Clemson. And then walked down the other top 10 teams. 3-5 all got crushed, Oklahoma was down 28-0. 7-10 all got crushed Washington was down 28-3. No one in the top ten had a reasonable chance against 'bama or Clemson. 

But wait Cowherd you left out one team in your dissection, lowly OSU. The team just a few weeks ago you were campaigning to be included in the playoff.  The team you were advocating was better than Notre Dame, and Oklahoma. 
The only team outside of 'bama and Clemson to win a game in the top 10. You can't just skip a team that doesn't fit your narrative. Or, well, I guess you can. 2 team playoff it is.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: fezzador on January 08, 2019, 08:09:27 AM
Cowherd is a troll that gets paid for it, pure and simple.  ESPN is a tabloid that happens to cover sports.

Can you imagine the outcry if FOX Sports (B1G Network's parent) hired a personality that perpetually looks down on the SEC as a bunch of stupid hayseeds who put winning ahead of morals?
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 08, 2019, 08:23:42 AM
Can you imagine the outcry if FOX Sports (B1G Network's parent) hired a personality that perpetually looks down on the SEC as a bunch of stupid hayseeds who put winning ahead of morals?
Are you making reference to Gary Danielson?He really is the biggest shill/slappie/lap dog/yes man that I've ever,EVER heard or seen.It really is embarrassing if you're a Bama Fan unless you're as unglued as he is.Even PAWL isn't that much of a stumper


He proclaims every saturday in the fall how we are witness to return of Jesus and his disciples in the form of Alabama Football and how this is for all of man kind's benefit.Would you have some dignity already  Gary ,get off your knees and wipe Sabans cack off your chin.Apologies to any Tide Fans but waterboard the choad already
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Post by: fezzador on January 08, 2019, 08:30:12 AM
The one and the same.  He needs to put down the Kool-Aid.

Funny thing is, my wife is a Bama grad and can't stand him.
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Post by: Drew4UTk on January 08, 2019, 08:35:57 AM
Danielson is the worst announcer in the business... he drips with bias, and doesn't even observe the on field action with any authority/insight... he parrots what officials say.  there are no redeeming qualities for that guy.... it's that bad... when i see him in the program as announcer, which is often being an SEC fan and CBS having the contract, I mute the idiot box and turn on pandora for some good tunes.... I'd rather just observe for myself. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: fezzador on January 08, 2019, 08:38:43 AM
He makes Beth Mowins look watchable in comparison.
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Post by: ELA on January 08, 2019, 08:39:56 AM
Joel Klatt is on his way there.  Danielson didn't used to be this.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: utee94 on January 08, 2019, 08:50:04 AM
Joel Klatt is on his way there.  Danielson didn't used to be this.
Not sure whether Joel Klatt is actually somewhat enlightened, or just posing as the anti-ESPN, but he at least expresses opinions that run counter to the grain.
I didn't get to watch much of the game but I can certainly say I'm surprised with the outcome.  Not that Alabama lost, I knew Clemson was good, but the manner in which they appear to have lost.
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 08, 2019, 09:00:09 AM
What will (or should) the final rankings be?

I don't realistically think that Ohio State can get into the top-4.  
Well color me shocked.  The Buckeyes are #3 in the final AP Poll behind Clemson and Bama.  The two CFP semi-final losers round out the top-5.  

As @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) pointed out there is an odd lack of 2-loss teams so after 12-1 Notre Dame at #5 come three 3-loss SEC teams and then a 4-loss Texas at #9.  

The biggest mistake that jumps out to me is having WSU at #10 while Washington is all the way down at #13.  Washington has two more losses but the two extra losses were a tough OOC game (Auburn in Atlanta) and a tough bowl game against final #3 Ohio State.  By comparison the Cougars played a ridiculously easy OOC and got an easier bowl because of their loss to Washington.  Oh well.  

UCF is #11 which seems awfully high to me for a team whose only win over a ranked team came against #24.  
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 08, 2019, 09:36:12 AM
Danielson is the worst announcer in the business... he drips with bias, and doesn't even observe the on field action with any authority/insight... he parrots what officials say.  there are no redeeming qualities for that guy.... it's that bad... when i see him in the program as announcer, which is often being an SEC fan and CBS having the contract, I mute the idiot box and turn on pandora for some good tunes.... I'd rather just observe for myself.
Evidently we have Jerry Springer enlightened Network Executives.Wouldn't you put someone in there that can tell or explain something to average fan that he may not have known.Or at least be creative and entertaining.GD is none of that,had I known the bar was so low I would have given it a shot myself
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: fezzador on January 08, 2019, 09:51:02 AM
Joel Klatt is on his way there.  Danielson didn't used to be this.
My guess is that within 5 years, Klatt will either defect to ESPiN or CBS (presumably to take over Danielson when he retires).
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Post by: bayareabadger on January 08, 2019, 11:46:32 AM
Evidently we have Jerry Springer enlightened Network Executives.Wouldn't you put someone in there that can tell or explain something to average fan that he may not have known.Or at least be creative and entertaining.GD is none of that,had I known the bar was so low I would have given it a shot myself
To a degree, we did this to ourselves.
We pay attention to things that anger us. Most broadcasts are deeply mundane, but we just have an ear for what pisses us off. Typhonic picked out the OSU snub by Cowherd, even through he knows Cowherd is a pointless clown.
As shoot, that post up higher, that was GRAPHIC. Just right out there. And for what? A dude who calls one game a week, probably not one you watch on a regular basis, but just his aura causes us to say all sorts of over the top things. We're not good at saying what we like, but we are good at feeling strongly about what we don't.
(That said, I'm of two minds about the TV execs. On one, they replaced the coach's film room, the best part of the megacast, with the MNF crew. That was bad, though not as bad as I expected, as Whitten was oddly solid and Booger had some moments. Granted, still bad. They did have the all-22/sky cam/high sky cam options, which I found to be good on all fronts)
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Post by: SFBadger96 on January 08, 2019, 12:10:10 PM
So will this result affect whether the committee will allow Bama in the playoffs in the future
I'll be more explicit: all those saying a blowout in a single game is reason that a team didn't belong in the first place would thus need to explain why Alabama didn't belong. Hard to justify that. Just as Notre Dame's closer loss to Clemson -- by a point :-)  --  doesn't mean it didn't belong. I said all year that Clemson didn't convince me it was one of the top two, but it turns out Clemson was awfully good when it mattered. Alabama had me convinced...until it mattered. What if the SEC wasn't as good at the top as "everyone" thinks. Or more likely, what if college football is actually pretty darned competitive at the top--across all the major conferences, and some times the ball starts rolling one way and doesn't stop.
Final(?) thought:
Rankings remain beauty contests. Football is won and lost on the field.

Post Final Thought: "ENTERTAINMENT & Sports Programming Network." Don't kid yourself into thinking ESPN is a news organization. :-)
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Post by: ELA on January 08, 2019, 12:41:54 PM
Well color me shocked.  The Buckeyes are #3 in the final AP Poll behind Clemson and Bama.  The two CFP semi-final losers round out the top-5.  

As @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) pointed out there is an odd lack of 2-loss teams so after 12-1 Notre Dame at #5 come three 3-loss SEC teams and then a 4-loss Texas at #9.  

The biggest mistake that jumps out to me is having WSU at #10 while Washington is all the way down at #13.  Washington has two more losses but the two extra losses were a tough OOC game (Auburn in Atlanta) and a tough bowl game against final #3 Ohio State.  By comparison the Cougars played a ridiculously easy OOC and got an easier bowl because of their loss to Washington.  Oh well.  

UCF is #11 which seems awfully high to me for a team whose only win over a ranked team came against #24.  
Is #9 the highest ever for a 4 loss team?
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 08, 2019, 12:45:46 PM
I'll be more explicit: all those saying a blowout in a single game is reason that a team didn't belong in the first place would thus need to explain why Alabama didn't belong. Hard to justify that. Just as Notre Dame's closer loss to Clemson -- by a point :-)  --  doesn't mean it didn't belong. I said all year that Clemson didn't convince me it was one of the top two, but it turns out Clemson was awfully good when it mattered. Alabama had me convinced...until it mattered. What if the SEC wasn't as good at the top as "everyone" thinks. Or more likely, what if college football is actually pretty darned competitive at the top--across all the major conferences, and some times the ball starts rolling one way and doesn't stop.
Or what if Alabama just had a really bad game and/or Clemson had a really good game?  
The bottom line, IMHO, is that S&$t happens.  Sometimes, as you said, the ball starts rolling one way and doesn't stop.  Very few people would argue that Iowa was better than Ohio State last year or that Purdue was better than Ohio State this year but Ohio State lost badly to those teams in those years.  It happens.  
And if anyone is wondering, I'm not saying that Clemson doesn't deserve their NC, they certainly do.  I'm just saying that $h!t happens.  If Clemson had played all year the way they played last night then they wouldn't have had close games with aTm and Syracuse.  If Alabama was had played all year the way they played last night then they probably wouldn't have been in that game last night because they'd have lost a game or three.  
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 08, 2019, 12:47:02 PM
Is #9 the highest ever for a 4 loss team?
I don't even know where to look that up.  
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Post by: SFBadger96 on January 08, 2019, 12:53:55 PM
Or what if Alabama just had a really bad game and/or Clemson had a really good game?  

Sometimes, as you said, the ball starts rolling one way and doesn't stop.  
We're saying the same thing.
Of course Alabama belonged in that game. And Clemson deserves their national championship and all that goes with whupping a really good team with everyone watching.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: ELA on January 08, 2019, 12:55:40 PM
I don't even know where to look that up.  
As far as I can tell yes, beating #10 Auburn from last year.  I will say, both teams played 14 games, so they were also 10 game winners.  Prior to that, to find a 10-4 team, it's 2011 Georgia, who was ranked #19.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 08, 2019, 01:05:27 PM
Final(?) thought:
Rankings remain beauty contests. Football is won and lost on the field.
Exactly why I want to see 5+1+2. Conference champions earn that honor on the field. No committee, no polls, no beauty pageant. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: fezzador on January 08, 2019, 01:27:04 PM
This is why and how Alabama lost:

1) They have had a suspect defense all season long, and Clemson took full advantage.  In the grand scheme of things, Alabama still has a good defense, but it was nowhere near the rock it has been in seasons past. Clemson had an uncanny ability to convert 3rd and long, and torched the secondary all night long.  Alabama was extremely lucky Clemson did not put 50 on them as they easily could have done so.

2) Alabama's offense sputtered waaay too much, especially in the red zone.  They were able to move the ball fairly well between the 20s, and Clemson actually gave up plenty of 5-7 yard chunks on the ground.  The Tide controlled the clock for most of the game, and should have stuck with the run.  Tua was not used to seeing a defense as aggressive as Clemson's and they made him look like well, a sophomore at times. They got too fancy, and as a result, found themselves unable to finish drives.  They left quite a few points (probably 17ish) on the field.

3) Clemson simply wanted it more.  They have been savoring this opportunity for a full year, and executed an incredibly masterful plan.  They weren't necessarily flawless, but Clemson is the only team that doesn't have to be perfect to beat Alabama.  They landed haymaker after haymaker, and left Alabama absolutely shellshocked.  This is a team that is used to dishing out punishment, not receiving it.

This is clearly not the way Alabama's seniors wanted to go out, but for Saban, The Process continues.  This will be a learning experience for the underclassmen and Saban will most definitely use this game as fuel for next season.  I have little reason to doubt they'll be deep in the playoff hunt again in '19.
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Post by: rolltidefan on January 08, 2019, 06:09:08 PM
pretty good synopsis @fezzador (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=44) 

we left some points out there, the refs didn't help, had costly and atypical turnovers, didn't play great, mistakes were made, unfortunate play with cb getting hurt and leaving man wide open, etc.

bottom line is we got beat by the better team. whether it was just that day or in general doesn't really matter.

first time in a LONG time bama has been on receiving end of a beatdown. mid-early 00's.

congrats clemson.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 08, 2019, 06:12:18 PM
Don't blame injuries. Other teams have them too, and Bama has a strong enough roster that there should be a pair and a spare ready to go at every position. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 08, 2019, 06:21:07 PM
Yeah, other teams have injuries. The injury he speaks of is a player dropping on the field mid play leaving a streaking receiver wide open with nothing but grass to cover. 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 08, 2019, 07:35:48 PM
Why is LSU ahead of Florida?  I’m not going to refer to h2h, but pre-bowl and post-bowl rankings.  The brilliant voters rewarded LSU’s one-score win over UCF over Florida blowing out UM.  That’s sort of nuts, IMO.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 08, 2019, 07:37:57 PM
it's because florida eats boogers... duh... 
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 08, 2019, 07:42:35 PM
Fezz, your #3 is utter nonsense.  No one “wants it more” in the NCG.  Absurd.

But I have to credit you with making me realize that Bama fell victim to the Peyton Manning syndrome.

Back in the mid-90s, Tennessee could our-physical teams and had a great run game.  But the Peyton was under center and they abandoned that, despite the rest of the roster being built to win that way.  So for 2.5 years, the Vols toss the ball all over the place and win a lot...except against big-boy teams (Florida, Nebraska). 

Then Peyton leaves, they go back to running the ball like their roster was made for, and they win the NC.

The point is, just because Tua allowed them to toss the ball all over the place, it doesn’t mean they should have.  And that misalignment of roster and play-calling bit them in the ass against a team with similar talent.  
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 08, 2019, 08:05:30 PM
Fezz, your #3 is utter nonsense.  No one “wants it more” in the NCG.  Absurd.

Actually, to your point elsewhere, during practice and prep, it's easy to believe that Clemson's players were more intent on making sure they were ready to slay the dragon that is Alabama, and that Alabama's players believed their hype and allowed that to distract them a little more. It's the same as the let-down theory: players react to their emotions. It's not hard to believe that Alabama's players were more complacent about preparation for this game than Clemson's. And that complacency can lead to a busted coverage, or a missed assignment at a critical moment, then the ball starts rolling--especially if those missed assignments pile up.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 08, 2019, 08:31:36 PM
Actually, to your point elsewhere, during practice and prep, it's easy to believe that Clemson's players were more intent on making sure they were ready to slay the dragon that is Alabama, and that Alabama's players believed their hype and allowed that to distract them a little more. It's the same as the let-down theory: players react to their emotions. It's not hard to believe that Alabama's players were more complacent about preparation for this game than Clemson's. And that complacency can lead to a busted coverage, or a missed assignment at a critical moment, then the ball starts rolling--especially if those missed assignments pile up.
You realize who their coach is, right?  And I'm not talking about King Saban and all his rings, I'm talking about a coach that will push you and push you and if you still can't/don't perform, that backup 5* is planting your ass on the bench.  
Tell one of Bama's players Clemson "wanted it more" and see if you don't need medical attention afterwards.  This is the game where the players play the way Badge thinks they play every game.




Clemson executed better.  They played better.  Their difficult or rare play outcomes happened more frequently (one-handed catches, coverage risks, etc).  No one wanted it more.
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on January 08, 2019, 10:57:02 PM
it's because florida eats boogers... duh...
with ketchup
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 09, 2019, 09:23:20 AM
Is #9 the highest ever for a 4 loss team?
I didn't really think of this when you originally asked but it is amazing how much this concept has shifted due to structural changes in CFB over the past few years.  
~50 years ago (1968) Ohio State won a NC with a Rose Bowl win at 10-0.  In that era the Buckeyes typically played nine scheduled games and then the Rose Bowl (that was the only bowl for a Big Ten team then) only if they won the conference.  It wasn't realistically possible to win the conference with four (or even three) losses so a four loss season meant 5-4.    
~40 years ago Ohio State typically played 11 scheduled games and bowls other than the Rose were possible but still relatively unlikely.  It wasn't likely to get a bowl invite at 8-3 so a four loss season generally meant 7-4.  
~30 years ago Ohio State typically played 11 scheduled games and a bowl was highly likely for a 7-4 or 8-3 team so a four loss season generally meant 8-4.  

~20 years ago Ohio State typically played 11 scheduled games and a bowl was a given for a 7-4 or 8-3 team so a four loss season meant 8-4.  
Starting seven years ago Ohio State played 12 scheduled games with the possibility of a B1GCG then there was also the fact that with the BCS and later CFP it became possible that a non-Champion Ohio State could get an elevated bowl as a replacement for the B1G Champion if said champion made it to the BCSCG or later CFP.  
Texas this year is a perfect example of all of these things.  They had 12 scheduled games including a "neutral site" OOC game in their opponent's back yard that they lost (Maryland) then they lost two conference games to good teams by a combined four points.  Then they had an extra game, the B12CG where they lost their rematch to a CFP-bound Oklahoma by 12.  Then they got an elevated bowl because they ended up being Oklahoma's replacement in the Sugar Bowl.  Prior to the CFP, Oklahoma would have been in the B12's Champion bowl and Texas would have had a lesser opponent but due to Oklahoma's CFP bid, the Longhorns got a better Bowl opponent and thus a better opportunity to prove themselves and improve their ranking.  
I think 10-4 with wins over Oklahoma and Georgia and three close losses deserves a top-10 ranking but it is odd to see a "4" in the loss column when looking at the top-10.  
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 09, 2019, 09:39:01 AM
When OSU initially joined the Big Ten they had to dial back their schedule to seven games by league rule. Four in conference, three out.
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Post by: rolltidefan on January 09, 2019, 09:57:30 AM
Don't blame injuries. Other teams have them too, and Bama has a strong enough roster that there should be a pair and a spare ready to go at every position.
i wasn't making excuses. all those things happened, but they aren't necessarily why we lost. we lost because clemson was the better team. was trying to put the excuses to bed, they're not really valid in this instance. thought that was clear.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 09, 2019, 10:11:53 AM
Gotcha
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Post by: SFBadger96 on January 09, 2019, 11:56:12 AM
It's a fine line between "making excuses" and "analyzing" a loss. Injuries are certainly a part of the game and in a team sport with 85+ players on the roster, it's easy to say next man up, but it's also irrational to say that replacing a starter (or even role player) with the next person on the depth chart won't make any difference. The coaches choose the players they do for a reason.

And when a team makes uncharacteristic mistakes--or even characteristic ones at bad times--it's not making an excuse to point it out.

:-)
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Post by: fezzador on January 09, 2019, 12:07:28 PM
And screw the notion that Alabama "didn't belong" (yes, there are some dimwits out there that think that).  This was the correct matchup, and while the outcome was surprising, it was very clear that Clemson and Alabama were the two best teams and both equally deserved to play for the title.  Oklahoma was at best a step behind Alabama, and Notre Dame never had a prayer against Clemson.  Ohio State and Georgia would have put up a better fight as a 4 seed, but both would have still likely lost by 10+.  I'm not going to nitpick the committee's playoff selection.  The main goal is to pit the two best teams in the land.  They did that.  No's 3 and 4 have been effectively rendered inconsequential, at least this year.  Maybe 2019 will be different.  Maybe it won't.  Clemson and Alabama are clearly ahead of the rest of the pack until proven otherwise.

In the grand scheme of things, this game changes little.  Alabama is still a (and maybe even *the*) team to beat, and now they have a roommate in the CFB penthouse.  It's a budding rivalry and each matchup in the past four seasons have been entertaining (but only the '16 and '17 matchups were genuine thrillers).  If the 2019/20 season yields Clemson v. Alabama Part V, so be it.  They won't be meeting for the fifth time by accident.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 09, 2019, 12:08:34 PM
Sure, but when you pin your loss on an injury it just sort of implies that the other teams' injuries don't matter. 

It is kind of like blaming the zebras who probably blew a couple of calls at the other teams'expense as well.


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Post by: Drew4UTk on January 09, 2019, 12:17:26 PM
Sure, but when you pin your loss on an injury it just sort of implies that the other teams' injuries don't matter.

It is kind of like blaming the zebras who probably blew a couple of calls at the other teams'expense as well.



again, what i think @rolltidefan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12) was talking about in his original comment about injuries isn't in the usual sense.  
a corner literally fell on the field and left a receiver completely unprotected which resulted in six... this has nothing to do with bench and plugging another player in... this is DURING THE PLAY and is just a freak thing that it happened, and as a result of it happening- the score.  most injuries happen at the end of a play.  this one didn't- it happened mid play leaning toward beginning.  if there was no injury there likely wouldn't have been six scored on that play and the receiver either denied or dropped long before the end zone.  but that isn't how it happened.   it was simply a freak thing you just can't account for and may happen once in likely 1000+ plays.  
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Post by: mcwterps1 on January 09, 2019, 12:24:43 PM
Sure, but when you pin your loss on an injury it just sort of implies that the other teams' injuries don't matter.

It is kind of like blaming the zebras who probably blew a couple of calls at the other teams'expense as well.
Zebras can actually alter a game tremendously, with just a couple calls. 
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 09, 2019, 12:32:54 PM
The refs can't effect the outcome unless you allow the other team to keep it close. 
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Post by: rolltidefan on January 09, 2019, 04:22:37 PM
again, what i think @rolltidefan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12) was talking about in his original comment about injuries isn't in the usual sense.  
a corner literally fell on the field and left a receiver completely unprotected which resulted in six... this has nothing to do with bench and plugging another player in... this is DURING THE PLAY and is just a freak thing that it happened, and as a result of it happening- the score.  most injuries happen at the end of a play.  this one didn't- it happened mid play leaning toward beginning.  if there was no injury there likely wouldn't have been six scored on that play and the receiver either denied or dropped long before the end zone.  but that isn't how it happened.   it was simply a freak thing you just can't account for and may happen once in likely 1000+ plays.  
it was.
but if that one play doesn't happen like that, it doesn't really change the game much, imo.
we were only down 2 scores at that point, and it was a 3 and 12, i think, but unless things changed drastically, clemson had full control of that game by that point and i have real doubt we could have come back to win the way both teams were playing. maybe if the best case scenario for bama had happened (pick6), but that's about as unlikely as the actual play that happened.
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Post by: fezzador on January 10, 2019, 12:07:09 PM
What's impressed me so far is that for the most part, Alabama fans have taken the loss well.  For a fanbase that's not used to losing often (especially games of this magnitude), they have not made many excuses and have given Clemson due credit.  Some are even genuinely happy for Clemson because the program is being led by one of their own.  The two programs also seem to have a healthy amount of respect for each other as well. 
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 10, 2019, 02:04:57 PM
It is astounding how dominant Alabama and Clemson have been over the past four years.  Since Ohio State's win in the inaugural CFP Championship there have been 12 CFP games, 11 have been won by either Alabama or Clemson.  The one exception was the one and only CFP game in the past four years in which neither Alabama nor Clemson was a participant (Georgia over Oklahoma in the 2018 Rose Bowl).  

Ohio State won two playoff games way back in 2014 and hasn't so much as scored a point in a CFP game since.  Nonetheless, Ohio State still has as many CFP wins as every other team not named Clemson or Alabama combined.  

Total CFP games:

So in 15 CFP games:


TeamAppearancesSemi-Final winsChampionshipsCFP GamesWinsLossesPct
Alabama5429630.6667
Clemson4327520.7143
Ohio State2113210.6667
Georgia1102110.5000
Oregon1102110.5000
Oklahoma3003030.0000
Florida State1001010.0000
Michigan State1001010.0000
Notre Dame1001010.0000
Washington1001010.0000
Title: Re: Bowl Games SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 10, 2019, 02:11:46 PM
Yeah those blowout Clemson losses are becoming more and more understandable with each passing season.
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Post by: TyphonInc on January 12, 2019, 08:21:19 AM
The greatest games that decided college football championships

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25641877/college-football-150-picks-greatest-games-decided-college-football-national-champions
ESPN is claiming 'bama's last three title runs all are in the top 5 of greatest championship games of all time. thoughts?
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 12, 2019, 09:04:33 AM
The greatest games that decided college football championships

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25641877/college-football-150-picks-greatest-games-decided-college-football-national-champions
ESPN is claiming 'bama's last three title runs all are in the top 5 of greatest championship games of all time. thoughts?

They picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue
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Post by: bayareabadger on January 12, 2019, 09:28:51 AM
The greatest games that decided college football championships

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25641877/college-football-150-picks-greatest-games-decided-college-football-national-champions
ESPN is claiming 'bama's last three title runs all are in the top 5 of greatest championship games of all time. thoughts?

They put the 2016 game too high, as it was high-level and fun, but Clemson didn’t have a chance to take the lead after the score and onside. I’d bump OSU-Miami, though if I did, it would be more about dropping that game and not knowing a thing about the older ones. And that was a really good game.
It also tells me we remain good at seeing patterns or not seeing patterns that make us mad. It is not claiming Bama’s Last three title runs are in there. It’s claiming three Titles games Bama was in are in there, two wins, one loss. And two of those absolutely deserve to be in there. 
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Post by: FearlessF on January 12, 2019, 09:42:40 AM
The greatest games that decided college football championships

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25641877/college-football-150-picks-greatest-games-decided-college-football-national-champions
ESPN is claiming 'bama's last three title runs all are in the top 5 of greatest championship games of all time. thoughts?

everyone's list will be different - number 11?
11. Jan. 2, 1984
Miami 31, Nebraska 30, Orange Bowl, Miami
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Post by: bayareabadger on January 12, 2019, 09:53:57 AM
everyone's list will be different - number 11?
11. Jan. 2, 1984
Miami 31, Nebraska 30, Orange Bowl, Miami
 Just spitball guess because that game was fantastic. Maybe it is docking points because it needed the other game to fully decide the championship. 
Not that I agree or don’t agree, just saying that might be the approach there. 
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Post by: FearlessF on January 12, 2019, 09:57:48 AM
could be......

16 & 17 required more than a couple games

16. Jan. 2, 1978
No. 5 Notre Dame 38, No. 1 Texas 10, Cotton Bowl, Dallas
No. 3 Alabama 35, No. 9 Ohio State 6, Sugar Bowl, New Orleans
No. 13 Washington 27, No. 4 Michigan 20, Rose Bowl, Pasadena, Calif.
No. 6 Arkansas 31, No. 2 Oklahoma 6, Orange Bowl, Miami

17. Jan. 1, 1966
No. 4 Alabama 39, No. 3 Nebraska 28, Orange Bowl, Miami
No. 5 UCLA 14, No. 1 Michigan State 12, Rose Bowl, Pasadena, Calif.
LSU 14, No. 2 Arkansas 7, Cotton Bowl, Dallas