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Topic: You Know What I Hate....?

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MikeDeTiger

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Re: You Know What I Hate....?
« Reply #812 on: March 09, 2023, 12:52:10 PM »
As an engineer with a very large amount of math background...

... that is not interesting.

So the degree I'm pursuing I only just noticed is classified in the department of mathematics.  

I don't feel like I know much about math at all.  

That's what I hate.  

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« Reply #813 on: March 09, 2023, 04:07:54 PM »
You're a math nerd.  I knew it all along.

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« Reply #814 on: March 09, 2023, 04:25:59 PM »
I sorta liked math back in the day, I took some extra in college, DiffEq, and quit.  I think the next course was Number Theory or somesuch thing.  Today I couldn't differentiate anything without help.

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« Reply #815 on: March 09, 2023, 05:26:49 PM »
Differential Equations is taught completely wrong. It should start with them handing you a flow chart telling you how to recognize a differential equation, how to tell if it's ordinary or not, then give you yes/no questions on what techniques would be used. The rest of the semester could be spent breaking down and teaching those techniques.

In practice, we can only solve rigorously about 5% of the differentials that come up. Number techniques will be used almost exclusively (even for the ones we could solve). It's an exercise in learning with very little applicable technique.

Now that I'm old, the Internet is a wonder for independently learning these things. Stuff that the old coots could never explain to me properly when I was paying them can now be taught easily and for free in ways that I can follow. Trying to finally nail down vector math led me to linear algebra in higher than 3 dimensions, which led me to exploring graph theory and now topology. It seems to incorporate a whole lot of interesting concepts. I can't think of a practical application for most of it, but it's fun to learn in the spare time.

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« Reply #816 on: March 09, 2023, 06:35:14 PM »
Differential Equations is taught completely wrong. It should start with them handing you a flow chart telling you how to recognize a differential equation, how to tell if it's ordinary or not, then give you yes/no questions on what techniques would be used. The rest of the semester could be spent breaking down and teaching those techniques.

In practice, we can only solve rigorously about 5% of the differentials that come up. Number techniques will be used almost exclusively (even for the ones we could solve). It's an exercise in learning with very little applicable technique.

Now that I'm old, the Internet is a wonder for independently learning these things. Stuff that the old coots could never explain to me properly when I was paying them can now be taught easily and for free in ways that I can follow. Trying to finally nail down vector math led me to linear algebra in higher than 3 dimensions, which led me to exploring graph theory and now topology. It seems to incorporate a whole lot of interesting concepts. I can't think of a practical application for most of it, but it's fun to learn in the spare time.

There are no words to describe how furious I was after completing DiffEQ, to discover in later engineering courses that I could use a Laplace transform to switch from time domain to frequency domain and solve it as a simple algrebra problem.

I'm not kidding, I was absolutely livid.

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« Reply #817 on: March 09, 2023, 06:48:36 PM »
There aren't words to describe how my stepson feels about his calculus classes and fluids classes while scratching through his Mech. Eng. degree.

Actually, no, he has a lot of words, we hear about it frequently.  

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« Reply #818 on: March 09, 2023, 07:07:54 PM »
There are no words to describe how furious I was after completing DiffEQ, to discover in later engineering courses that I could use a Laplace transform to switch from time domain to frequency domain and solve it as a simple algrebra problem.

I'm not kidding, I was absolutely livid.

You didnt know that????

man education in the country sure has gone down hill

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« Reply #819 on: March 09, 2023, 07:16:04 PM »
Calculus is awesome, I love it.  And I don't have anything against vector calculus or diffeq either, except that we spent a ton of time learning something that was much easier to solve in another way.

Sure, understanding the theory behind it is important, but that could have been a 2-week survey rather than 2 semesters worth of math.  I wasted valuable beer-drinking time on that stuff.

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« Reply #820 on: March 10, 2023, 11:23:58 AM »
You're a math nerd.  I knew it all along.

Said the guy talking about differential equations.  

Never tried calculus.  I took trig my junior year in high school and nothing about it was intuitive as was algebra and geometry, which I considered to be just algebra with pictures.  I learned formulas and worked problems, but I had no idea what any of it meant.  "They" were not good at explaining to me what any of that actually was, or meant, or why bother.  Algebra was obvious and I've used it nearly everyday of my life just doing life things....regardless of needing any of it for jobs or not.  Sin, cosine, tangent, whatever all else they tried to teach me in trig....I never figured out what the hell any of that was or had to do with anything I might want to solve in life.  So I avoided calculus, hearing that if you found trigonometry difficult, you should never go anywhere near Isaac Newton's bs.  So I wound up with college algebras and the requisite amount of statistics classes to get a business degree, but never calculus.  And now in school there's a heavy emphasis on statistical theory that sometimes makes my head want to explode, yet the actual math involved is nothing more than rather simple algebra.  

About 5 years ago I came across some trig-made-easy (or something) videos on YouTube with a cute girl who explained things in about 15 minutes far more clearly than my high school teacher managed in a year.  Still don't know what I might use it for, but at least I understood it.  Where was she in high school?  And why wasn't my teacher cute like her?  

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« Reply #821 on: March 10, 2023, 11:26:27 AM »
the great unanswered questions of life
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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« Reply #822 on: March 10, 2023, 05:37:03 PM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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« Reply #823 on: March 10, 2023, 07:17:26 PM »
There are no words to describe how furious I was after completing DiffEQ, to discover in later engineering courses that I could use a Laplace transform to switch from time domain to frequency domain and solve it as a simple algrebra problem.

I'm not kidding, I was absolutely livid.
Oh yeah, um, me too.  Totally livid.  

BTW, I had to switch from engineering to engineering technology.  Which is basically ENGR for people who can't do maths.  
But you already knew that.  

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« Reply #824 on: March 10, 2023, 07:30:45 PM »

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« Reply #825 on: March 11, 2023, 01:31:49 AM »
OU was #1 a year or two ago. The point differentials must be pretty small up near the top.
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