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Re: Where is the Froth?
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2021, 06:51:17 PM »
One of my first reactions on hearing it was Sarkisian was wondering what kind of relationship he would have with the Texas HS coaches.  Then I realized it was Alabama taking so much Texas talent that was part of the reason for firing Herman.  Do you think he can recruit Texas or was it more Alabama's status that attracted so much Texas talent?

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Re: Where is the Froth?
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2021, 07:12:34 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 03, 2021, 06:00:35 PM
I think "an odd choice" is putting it mildly.  I actually expect it to be a disastrous choice.
Well, what do you think about the news that he won't be bringing Mike Stoops with him from Alabama?
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Re: Where is the Froth?
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2021, 07:16:26 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on January 03, 2021, 07:12:34 PM
Well, what do you think about the news that he won't be bringing Mike Stoops with him from Alabama?
I guess I don't really care one way or the other.  I don't really know much about Mike Stoops, and how he's performed at Alabama.
 
In general, I'm not sure any combination of assistants is going to help him. At best I expect him to be equivalent in success to Tom Herman.  But the downside and chance of a complete implosion make it worse, IMO.

Nothing I can do about it, except complain on the internet, I suppose.
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Re: Where is the Froth?
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2021, 07:19:31 PM »
Quote from: Thumper on January 03, 2021, 06:51:17 PM
One of my first reactions on hearing it was Sarkisian was wondering what kind of relationship he would have with the Texas HS coaches.  Then I realized it was Alabama taking so much Texas talent that was part of the reason for firing Herman.  Do you think he can recruit Texas or was it more Alabama's status that attracted so much Texas talent?


Alabama and Ohio State both recruit Texas well.  As does OU of course.  Herman has recruited extremely well until the current cycle, so that's not really why he was fired.  There's plenty of talent in the state and Texas has gotten plenty of it over the past 4 years. 

The real problems are what Herman has-- or hasn't-- done with the talent, once it arrived on campus.
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Re: Where is the Froth?
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2021, 12:37:27 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 03, 2021, 07:16:26 PM
I guess I don't really care one way or the other.  I don't really know much about Mike Stoops, and how he's performed at Alabama.
 
In general, I'm not sure any combination of assistants is going to help him. At best I expect him to be equivalent in success to Tom Herman.  But the downside and chance of a complete implosion make it worse, IMO.

Nothing I can do about it, except complain on the internet, I suppose.
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Re: Where is the Froth?
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2021, 08:41:05 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on January 04, 2021, 12:37:27 AM
I should have put a winkie, but I don't really like the ones this site uses.
Anyway, you should be happy for a small favor.
No I think I got the joke, I just don't honestly know what he's been doing at Alabama. I do remember that a lot of Sooner fans were less than pleased with how he did at Oklahoma.  Really though, OU has had few problems beating Texas with or without him, so I'm sure I couldn't possibly dislike him as much as some of y'all might.


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Re: Where is the Froth?
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2021, 09:38:41 AM »
I don't know what he's doing there either.  He's one of Saban's 700 quality-control assistants I believe.
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« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2021, 10:08:19 AM »
I mean, as a Longhorn whose team thrived under Sooner All-American Darrell Royal, I can't really hold any Sooner ties against him, can I? ;)

But if he's also a bad coach in addition, well then, no thanks!

Honestly I'm all for anyone that can help Sarkisian and the program. I think it's a bad hire, but since I had zero control over it, all I can do is hope for the best.
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Re: Where is the Froth?
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2021, 12:46:00 PM »
I think, when you're the HC of Texas, the door is open for you to develop relationships with Texas high schools. This isn't 1972 when you have to get word of mouth to find talent. The type of talent Texas recruits will be published. If you're not a huge jerk, you'll be welcome on campus to talk, just like anyone else.

What I find a little goofy is that Mack essentially torpedoed a functional Texas football program when he decided he wanted the Texas offense to look like Alabama. Since that decision was made, the Texas offense has looked like anything but. I guess it's inevitable that the Bama OC ends up in the Texas director's chair. Frankly, I could use more out of my OL. The last 2 games demonstrated next season's potential. If Sark brings Bama's OL coach with him, I wont hate it.

It appears Herman had lost the confidence of his players. Some are eager to retain their position coaches, but none seem real beat up about losing their HC. I believe that Herman had the program trending up, and that last season's coaching changes were needed and correct, but didn't have time to bear fruit under the weird conditions. If the Burnt Orange power brokers handed over $25million to get started, then I'm guessing there were layers to this problem that I didn't know about.

I think this is a good hire. We just gotta get through the tricky period of hiring position coaches and not having all the talent transfer out.
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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2021, 01:13:45 PM »
The transfer portal can also help us this go-round, instead of only harming us, which has been the tendency in the past.  

I don't know how willing/able Sarkisian is to use it, but it's benefitted a lot of other teams greatly, including our rival to the north.
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Re: Where is the Froth?
« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2021, 01:19:17 PM »
Quote from: Mr Tulip on January 04, 2021, 12:46:00 PM


I think this is a good hire. We just gotta get through the tricky period of hiring position coaches and not having all the talent transfer out.
Its great that you have faith but you also have no hard facts to feel this is a good hire.

At least with Hermann we knew of his experience at the U of Houston which had great results

With this coach all we know is his HC experience isnt even above average and he was accused of having a drinking problem and he was fired mid season by USC

I fear we have thrown the baby out with the bathwater

Hope Im wrong
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Re: Where is the Froth?
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2021, 01:30:23 PM »
I'm going to figure that the Texas brass knew about the drinking thing and thoroughly vetted it before offering. From all indications, he's gotten a handle on those demons for now.

We knew Tom Herman won some big games at U of H. We also knew he'd only been on his own a couple of seasons and had never been on a stage as big as Texas. I'm not as down on Herman as most, and as stated I think he did the right thing changing assistants, but he was definitely challenged by the learning curve. Having active players tell recruits to stay away doesn't bode well.

I'm not guaranteeing loss free seasons with Sarkisian. However, he's coached P5 teams before. He brought UW out of the sewer. He's improved every QB he's worked with (something that's crippled Texas for a decade). Most of all, he adapted Alabama's offense when Saban himself was fussing against modern RPO offenses.

The guys with the bursting bank accounts have to know they can't do this again for a while. They're pushing credibility with their quick triggers. They have to live with this one.
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Re: Where is the Froth?
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2021, 01:46:54 PM »
Quote from: Mr Tulip on January 04, 2021, 01:30:23 PM
I'm going to figure that the Texas brass knew about the drinking thing and thoroughly vetted it before offering. From all indications, he's gotten a handle on those demons for now.

The guys with the bursting bank accounts have to know they can't do this again for a while. They're pushing credibility with their quick triggers. They have to live with this one.
Im not suggesting he still has a drinking problem only that he used bad judgement in the past.

Another question is how well does this guy recruit

We are continually in a dog fight for recruiting so can he go out and get the 4 and 5 star players

what quality of assistants does he have coming with him

too many unknowns to give me comfort

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« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2021, 04:48:01 PM »
As a senior, Sarkisian opened BYU's 1996 season by passing for 536 yards and six touchdowns in the Cougars' 41–37 upset victory over Texas A&M in the Pigskin Classic. The 536 yards passing were the most ever by a player against Texas A&M. Sarkisian finished the game with a 46-yard touchdown pass to K. O. Kealaluhi to seal the victory.
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