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Cincydawg

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Re: Week 13
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2021, 10:49:26 AM »
I think the CGs are in effect round one of the playoffs, in my mind at least, and any loser should be out from there, perhaps there could be an exception infrequently.

Winning your conference, to me, is not inherently a sign of a good team, by that I mean their performance is, but not specifically winning a conference.  I'd take a 12-1 team at times that did not win the conference over a 12-1 team that did (P5).  I'd go with which I thought was the better team.

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Re: Week 13
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2021, 11:34:48 AM »
I think the CGs are in effect round one of the playoffs, in my mind at least, and any loser should be out from there, perhaps there could be an exception infrequently.

Winning your conference, to me, is not inherently a sign of a good team, by that I mean their performance is, but not specifically winning a conference.  I'd take a 12-1 team at times that did not win the conference over a 12-1 team that did (P5).  I'd go with which I thought was the better team.
except if these two teams in your example met during the season and if they did only the winner should be considered whether or not they won the conference
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Re: Week 13
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2021, 12:18:39 PM »
Yup, to me, winning your conference is effectively unimportant as compared with everything else.  I wouldn't give bonus points for it personally.

Now, you probably merit consideration if you are 12-1 in a P5 conference that you won, but I'd say the same if you are 12-1 and didn't.

The exception is if you lose your CG.  Imagine UGA had lost to Clemson and then ran the table in fine style to be 12-1.  Likely should be included, just as Ohio State will be included.  Should a conference title mean anything different?

Or imagine Michigan beat MSU and loses to Ohio State but finishes 11-1 with a strong season, I'd consider them as well.  The conference champ gets a bonus simply for winning a tough last game.

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Re: Week 13
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2021, 12:49:05 PM »
Ever-closer to the NFL model.  The playoffs are everything.
Obviously, millions of people love the NFL model.
But I'm not interested in the NFL or its model.
The Rose Bowl featuring the champions of the Pac-12 and the B1G is great theater.
The Rose Bowl hosting a CFP semifinal game (when OU is not in the CFP) is something less than that.
JMO, obviously.
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Re: Week 13
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2021, 03:42:02 PM »
Ever-closer to the NFL model.  The playoffs are everything.
Obviously, millions of people love the NFL model.
But I'm not interested in the NFL or its model.
The Rose Bowl featuring the champions of the Pac-12 and the B1G is great theater.
The Rose Bowl hosting a CFP semifinal game (when OU is not in the CFP) is something less than that.
JMO, obviously.
CW every other college sport has a playoff (I think) so why not football

If having a playoff means it copies the NFL so be it

lets decide it on the field not in fans minds
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Re: Week 13
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2021, 06:49:15 PM »
CW every other college sport has a playoff (I think) so why not football

If having a playoff means it copies the NFL so be it

lets decide it on the field not in fans minds
No other college sport is like Div 1 FBS football.  And no other college sport gets the attention that Div 1 FBS football does.  So, to your initial question, my answer is, "So what?  If every other college sport were self-destructing would it be essential that FBS CFB follow suit?"
About settling it on the field, in many cases, it's already been decided on the field.  But then it has to be decided again in a rematch.  And you have even mentioned this as something to be avoided at practically all costs.
And how is selecting the playoff participants by a committee voting in secret better than the way that the BCS did it, or the way the polls and bowls worked?
Let's look at this year.  Does anyone really think that Cincinnati is one of the 4 best teams in all the land?  I ask that because "the four best" is supposedly the goal the Committee is trying to reach.
Cincinnati doesn't measure up, and I don't think anybody really thinks that they do.  They're just the nice Cinderella story this year.
Whether their resume (after their CCG) warrants being ranked in the top 4 is a different issue.  The Committee only uses resume to explain their decisions when it is convenient to do so.
I do not see the Committee as being objectively superior to either the BCS system or the Bowls and Polls system.
And, as I have said before, I say that as a fan of a team that has gotten the benefit of the doubt from the Committee in previous years.
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Re: Week 13
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2021, 06:54:40 PM »
Man--Nebraska finds a way to lose every dadgum week!  Got outscored 19-0 by Iowa in the 4th quarter to lose by 7.  A punt-block returned for a TD and an intentional grounding from the end zone--resulting in a safety--were part of the story.

Did the Texas win today save Sark's job?  Or was it not in jeopardy?  How much does it help the Horns going into 2022?
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2021, 08:34:47 PM »
No other college sport is like Div 1 FBS football.  And no other college sport gets the attention that Div 1 FBS football does.  So, to your initial question, my answer is, "So what?  If every other college sport were self-destructing would it be essential that FBS CFB follow suit?"
About settling it on the field, in many cases, it's already been decided on the field.  But then it has to be decided again in a rematch.  And you have even mentioned this as something to be avoided at practically all costs.
And how is selecting the playoff participants by a committee voting in secret better than the way that the BCS did it, or the way the polls and bowls worked?
Let's look at this year.  Does anyone really think that Cincinnati is one of the 4 best teams in all the land?  I ask that because "the four best" is supposedly the goal the Committee is trying to reach.
Cincinnati doesn't measure up, and I don't think anybody really thinks that they do.  They're just the nice Cinderella story this year.
Whether their resume (after their CCG) warrants being ranked in the top 4 is a different issue.  The Committee only uses resume to explain their decisions when it is convenient to do so.
I do not see the Committee as being objectively superior to either the BCS system or the Bowls and Polls system.
And, as I have said before, I say that as a fan of a team that has gotten the benefit of the doubt from the Committee in previous years.
you seem to be venting against the way the playoff happens (having a committee) Im not for a committee but its better then nothing

I thought your whole point was having a playoff of any kind is bad am I wrong

If you are just bothered by having a committee instead of a prearranged system for a playoff then say so

In short football is like any other college sport and determining a national champion is in every college football fans nature

this isnt just a car show to show how pretty your car is and brag about it
its a race around a track to decide it once and for all

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Re: Week 13
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2021, 08:38:25 PM »
Man--Nebraska finds a way to lose every dadgum week!  Got outscored 19-0 by Iowa in the 4th quarter to lose by 7.  A punt-block returned for a TD and an intentional grounding from the end zone--resulting in a safety--were part of the story.

Did the Texas win today save Sark's job?  Or was it not in jeopardy?  How much does it help the Horns going into 2022?
I dont think the win today had any affect of Sark's future

whatever was going to happen at seasons end will still happen

I really dont see him being fired unless there are things we dont know about
He gets another year in my opinion
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Re: Week 13
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2021, 09:21:13 PM »
you seem to be venting against the way the playoff happens (having a committee) Im not for a committee but its better then nothing

I thought your whole point was having a playoff of any kind is bad am I wrong

If you are just bothered by having a committee instead of a prearranged system for a playoff then say so

In short football is like any other college sport and determining a national champion is in every college football fans nature

this isnt just a car show to show how pretty your car is and brag about it
its a race around a track to decide it once and for all
I don't like a playoff in general, because it devalues the regular season.  (Same reason I'm against CCGs on principle.)  I especially don't like the playoff we have with the Committee secretly voting on who gets to participate.  I'd dislike it less if we used the early BCS formula where the computers were allowed to know the score instead of the Committee.
The Committee members hear what the media pundits are saying and what fans on the call-in shows are demanding.  They get caught up in the cool story of the moment, like plucky little Cincinnati (with its tiny enrollment of 46,000 students).
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Re: Week 13
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2021, 01:02:07 AM »
I don't think Sarkisian's job was in jeopardy in year 1.

Glad the seniors got to go out with a win.



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Re: Week 13
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2021, 08:36:37 AM »
I'm OK with whatever they do playoffwise, I'll enjoy it either way.  I don't know what would be perfect, or near perfect, everything has deficiencies.  I just sit back and enjoy, mostly enjoy.  And I know my voice doesn't matter of course.

Someone proposed a playoff involving a variable number of teams depending on the season, I found that entertaining.  Maybe this year we'd have only UGA and OSU if both win out.


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Re: Week 13
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2021, 11:44:18 AM »
So, is nobody going to stick up for poor little Cincinnati?  To tell me that I'm full of it, and that the Bearcats are certainly one of the best four teams in all the land?

Hooky had a scheme for a variable number of teams in a playoff.
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« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2021, 12:02:59 PM »
So, is nobody going to stick up for poor little Cincinnati?  To tell me that I'm full of it, and that the Bearcats are certainly one of the best four teams in all the land?

Hooky had a scheme for a variable number of teams in a playoff.
we wouldnt have to stick up for anybody if we did away with the committee and had an eight team playoff
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