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CharleyHorse46

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Re: The Porch, y'all. pull up a seat and kick back.
« Reply #1120 on: December 10, 2018, 11:58:44 AM »
I work with a Sooner fan who displays an OU flag.  Once you see the horns down in the flag, you can't unsee it.
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CharleyHorse46

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« Reply #1121 on: December 10, 2018, 12:11:20 PM »
Quote from: Shiner on December 10, 2018, 08:57:50 AM
... If my fanbase got so riled up over something like that to the point the league catered to making it a penalty on our behalf, I'd be embarrassed...
This is where your aggieness meets my longhorniness.  
Neither of us know why the league made that decision.  As far as I can tell no one has gone on record to say why the league made that decision.
You conjecture that the league made that decision to accommodate the fan base.  Naturally you would.  It fits in the Aggie's longstanding narrative that Texas fans are despicable and that whatever conference Texas is in succumbs to Texas' browbeating and subserviently acquiesces to whatever Texas want.
Many people in this world love snuggling up in their imaginative narratives to explain things.  It helps them extrapolate things beyond the documented facts in a way that makes them smile.
Now I don't know why the league made that decision and I won't pretend I do.  I will say an awful lot of fans on both the Texas side and the OU side have expressed disgust at Bowlsby trying to regulate the rivalry by penalizing what people say and do.  
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« Reply #1122 on: December 10, 2018, 12:29:11 PM »
didnt some team get a penalty in Lubbock when a player made an upside down gun sign

I kind of remember that

anyway this constitutes taunting which is why its a penalty

Id venture to say if folks started giving an upside down gig em sign when scoring against aggie a penalty would be called
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CharleyHorse46

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« Reply #1123 on: December 10, 2018, 12:30:07 PM »
Quote from: Shiner on December 10, 2018, 08:57:50 AM
If my fanbase got so riled up over something like that to the point the league catered to making it a penalty on our behalf, I'd be embarrassed.
Wait a minute.  I just realized who was talking about fanbases.
Wasn't it your fanbase that cornered the Marching Owl Band in 1973 for mocking your traditions in a halftime routine?
Wasn't it one of your corps members who drew a sword on an SMU cheerleader in 1981?
Then there's the list eater, turd flinger, Mike McKinney who was punched by another aggie but claimed it was the Tech goal post, the woman who carved a B in own face and claimed she was attacked, etc. etc.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some.  I think there are even ancient tales of corps members loading up cannons to fire at Baylor.
What a crazy, wacky, thinskinned group.
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utee94

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« Reply #1124 on: December 10, 2018, 01:37:11 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on December 10, 2018, 12:29:11 PM
didnt some team get a penalty in Lubbock when a player made an upside down gun sign

I kind of remember that

anyway this constitutes taunting which is why its a penalty

Id venture to say if folks started giving an upside down gig em sign when scoring against aggie a penalty would be called
Texas WR Mike Davis was given an unsportsmanlike penalty for "holstering the guns" after scoring a TD in Lubbock a few years back.
Texas WR Roy Williams was given an unsportsmanlike penalty for doing the horns-up after scoring a TD in Austin a few years before that.
Before the UT-WVU game a few weeks back, WVU coach Dana Holgorson specifically asked the refs about it, and it was during that game that I saw the first-ever flag thrown for someone doing horns-down.  
Then once more, before the B12 CCG, OU coach Lincoln Riley asked the league office about it.  This was just after Breckyn Hager said "ou sucks" in an interview and the B12 reprimanded him and forced him to make a public apology, or else face suspension.
The people that think UT is somehow "getting over" are laughable.  But, since they're mostly Aggies, they were laughable anyway. :)
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Shiner

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« Reply #1125 on: December 10, 2018, 01:38:46 PM »
You're suggesting the league - with no urging from the horn admin/athletic department whatsoever - just arbitrarily enacted a rule against disparaging the precious horn hand sign?  




Yeah.... okay.  Sure. 
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« Reply #1126 on: December 10, 2018, 01:41:22 PM »
Quote from: CharleyHorse46 on December 10, 2018, 12:30:07 PM
Wait a minute.  I just realized who was talking about fanbases.
Wasn't it your fanbase that cornered the Marching Owl Band in 1973 for mocking your traditions in a halftime routine?
Wasn't it one of your corps members who drew a sword on an SMU cheerleader in 1981?
Then there's the list eater, turd flinger, Mike McKinney who was punched by another aggie but claimed it was the Tech goal post, the woman who carved a B in own face and claimed she was attacked, etc. etc.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some.  I think there are even ancient tales of corps members loading up cannons to fire at Baylor.
What a crazy, wacky, thinskinned group.
I have no idea how listeater is relevant to the discussion.
And the corps?  Really?  They embarrass A&M almost annually.... Feel free to disparage them all you like.
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utee94

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« Reply #1127 on: December 10, 2018, 01:42:24 PM »
In general, I think the taunting rules are stupid.  I guess they're supposed to protect the integrity of the NCAA's hallowed sport of college football, which is a joke in and of itself.  But these aren't elementary school kids, they're legal adults playing one of the toughest sports on the planet. I think they can handle a little taunting.

All that said, the horns-down is-- by definition-- a taunt. Its sole purpose is to be disrespectful and mocking toward The University of Texas.  So as long as the taunting rules are on the books, then horns-down should be called as an unsportsmanlike penalty.  Same as "holstering the guns" or the throat-slash or any number of other gestures that have long been flagged for taunting by officials in NCAA football games.
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« Reply #1128 on: December 10, 2018, 01:43:39 PM »
Quote from: Shiner on December 10, 2018, 01:38:46 PM
You're suggesting the league - with no urging from the horn admin/athletic department whatsoever - just arbitrarily enacted a rule against disparaging the precious horn hand sign?  




Yeah.... okay.  Sure.
There was NO COLLUSION!  Lol
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Shiner

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« Reply #1129 on: December 10, 2018, 01:53:09 PM »
I tend to doubt that when the taunting rule was put on the books that they had the horns down thing on their minds.  I don't buy that was the intent of the rule... and the horns down thing has been done for as long as I can remember.  But it's just another example of how people go out of their way to find something to be offended at.  Such is life now.... and it extends way beyond football.

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« Reply #1130 on: December 10, 2018, 02:00:00 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 10, 2018, 01:42:24 PM
All that said, the horns-down is-- by definition-- a taunt. Its sole purpose is to be disrespectful and mocking toward The University of Texas.  
Just speaking as a Sooner fan, given the rivalry, the purpose is to say we are going to beat your ass.  It’s more of a “let’s get it on, beeatch” than anything more nefarious or odious or noxious or disrespectfulious.  I can’t speak for all Sooners on this because certainly when we’re hearing a cascading cacophony of callous Horn calls all saying “OU Sux”, well there might be some tit for tat agoing on here.  But for me the Horns down just means either we just beat your ass (Dec 1 in this case) or we’re about to beat your ass (next Oct).
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CharleyHorse46

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« Reply #1131 on: December 10, 2018, 02:03:11 PM »
Quote from: Shiner on December 10, 2018, 01:41:22 PM
I have no idea how listeater is relevant to the discussion.
So...
does it bother you when I bring up...
list eater?
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Shiner

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« Reply #1132 on: December 10, 2018, 02:05:32 PM »
Quote from: CharleyHorse46 on December 10, 2018, 02:03:11 PM
So...
does it bother you when I bring up...
list eater?
No..... is it supposed to?
Back on horns down... I find this article to be interesting.  Good points made.  
Perhaps the horns up should be penalized too.... since flashing horns up at your opponent after scoring a TD is.... you know, by definition.... taunting.  

LINK
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utee94

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« Reply #1133 on: December 10, 2018, 02:10:03 PM »
Quote from: Shiner on December 10, 2018, 02:05:32 PM
No..... is it supposed to?
Back on horns down... I find this article to be interesting.  Good points made.  
Perhaps the horns up should be penalized too.... since flashing horns up at your opponent after scoring a TD is.... you know, by definition.... taunting.  

LINK
If the horns-up were done directly to the opponent, I'd consider it taunting.  When Roy Williams was flagged for it, he was celebrating in his own stadium, toward UT fans, and not directing it to the opponent at all.  It was clearly a celebration and not taunting.
But, this is one of the many reasons I'm fine with eliminating all of the taunting rules.  Giving the officials LESS subjective crap to call, can only be an improvement.
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