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Topic: The Porch, y'all. pull up a seat and kick back.

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« Reply #6300 on: July 17, 2026, 08:50:55 AM »
Yeah. I won't pretend like we all got along. I learned some ugly ideas in those days that took me quite a while to unlearn.

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« Reply #6301 on: July 17, 2026, 09:40:53 AM »
I suppose I could have become a racist asshole just like those losers because of it.  But I didn't.

I just blame the dipshit politicians who spent zero time thinking it through. 

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« Reply #6302 on: July 17, 2026, 09:49:07 AM »

I believe we benefit from interacting with humans from different perspectives.
The resultant mishmash, though, just ended up with kids enduring long bus rides to end up in an unfamiliar place. Likewise, parents struggled to support the school missions since they were also removed from the physical location. While racism certainly did and does exist in all its pernicious forms, the complaints were largely logistical.

You're not wrong, but the bolded part doesn't supersede a child's need to primarily be shaped by their parents and a parent's need to be close to their child to control the environment to a great extent.  Getting exposure to other ideas and perspectives is great....when you go off to college, or matriculate through life.  It's BS when the main goal at the time is to learn addition, subtraction, and writing.  Elementary school children shouldn't be sent across town.

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« Reply #6303 on: July 17, 2026, 09:54:48 AM »
I believe strongly in learning different perspectives.  My undergraduate experience in college was largely interacting with foreign nationals, as an eletrical engineer.  I was distinctly in the minority, the vast majority were Chinese, Korean, Indian, and a decent mix from the middle east.  One of my favorite people I met my entire time was a TA from Iran, he was a great teacher and a good friend.

But that's not what forced integration was really designed to do.  Forced integration was enacted to check a box that some retards in government thought needed to be checked.  Increasing diversity of thought and experience is not what it was designed to do and it's most certainly not what it accomplished.

The only skill I learned as a result of busing, was survival. 

Oh, and the ability to hold my pee for 10 hours because there's absolutely no way I could go into the bathrooms in that hellhole.

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« Reply #6304 on: July 17, 2026, 09:58:51 AM »
Busing changed all that in the name of forced integration.  I was 9 years old getting bused to an elementary school that was 6 miles away, a 40 minute busride each way, and kids from that neighborhood were getting bused into my neighborhood.  It got worse for junior high, I was bused all the way across town, 11 miles, and kids from that neighborhood were bused all the way to mine.  45 minutes to an hour roundtrip in traffic, each way.  

Now that I think about it, I had two elementary schools.  The one I remembered earlier, for 3rd, 4th, and 5th grade, which I lived less than an air-mile from and so walked, or rode my bike.  But for 1st and 2nd grade I was bussed to another school somewhat further away.  I recall it was a tad bit traumatic at the time.  Some of my school friends made it to the new elementary school with me, so that was nice.  But a lot of them didn't, and that sucked.  A few of those we picked back up in 6th grade when we wound up at the same middle school.  But we lost others from the later elementary school.  Sheesh....the more I remember about that, the more I remember how it sucked to lose touch with kids.  No facebook or personal phones back then.  

I can say, as opposed to your ordeal, I don't know that our bus rides were 45 minutes in elementary school.  They for sure were when we got sent to downtown BR in middle school, though.  

Now, in 9th grade when I was in Georgia, that bus ride was well over an hour, but that mainly had to do with the fact we lived in a very rural area, the nearest school was probably 20 mins away in a straight shot, so by the time you add in the bus meandering around the county to pick up all the other rural kids, the ride was long as hell.  

But yeah....back to Baton Rouge....I didn't think about it at the time, I just kinda accepted it, but my two best friends from the neighborhood lived right by me.  One next door, and one across the street from me.  All three of us went to different elementary and middle schools.  And we were two white kids and a black kid, so.....I mean, take the three of us together and you got some diversity, you'd think.  But.....no.  

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« Reply #6305 on: July 17, 2026, 10:06:45 AM »
The only skill I learned as a result of busing, was survival.  

This is one aspect where I probably benefited from being in Baton Rouge.  Anecdotally, that kind of stuff must not have been very common, because if it were, I'd have sure seen it.  Whites were definitely the minority at that ghetto-ass middle school I got shipped to.  Blacks were the minority at the second elementary school I was in, and the first elementary school, as best as I can recall, was about 50/50.  But racial bullying just didn't happen, that I ever saw.  

I got messed with sometimes because I was in the G/T program, but harassing nerds is nothing novel.  And I wasn't beaten up for it.  

I say being in BR was a benefit because, believe it or not, despite the state's history and being part of the South and all that.....Louisiana in general has been pretty low on the racial tension scale out of all the places I've lived, and BR in particular.  Though it has been a long while now, and I don't know if that's still the case or not.  I saw multiple fights break out between white and black kids in Georgia, seemingly just because they were black and white.  I was not accustomed to it.  

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« Reply #6306 on: July 17, 2026, 10:11:55 AM »
IF the interactions had been natural, rather than forced, I don't think there would have been that much tension.  And there were no issues when the minorities were bused into the white neighborhoods.

The main issue was, they viewed us as a bunch of rich white kids, and we were herded onto "their turf."  They hated us for both of those things.

I mean, I can assure you I wasn't rich.  My folks were each working two jobs and I wore hand-me-down Sears Toughskins jeans and Kinney shoes. 

But it didn't matter.  They assumed I had white privilege and wanted to take me down for it.  Same for every other white kid at that school.


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« Reply #6307 on: July 17, 2026, 10:25:12 AM »
Ah, well, there you go....you've explained it.

There were no illusions about any rich white kids imported anywhere, because everybody knew, in Louisiana (BR), we were all equally poor :57:

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« Reply #6308 on: July 17, 2026, 10:32:33 AM »
Suckiest thing that ever happened to me, which made me rethink my life and why I was spending 45 minutes on a bus to a middle school downtown in a terrible part of town....

Our bus broke down right in the hood one day, and while the bus driver went into the nearest house to use their phone to call the school district, a bunch of local hoodrat kids (literally, they were no older than us) climbed up the outside of bus and started macing us all through the windows.  

We had the windows open because it was hot as hell with the bus broke down, just sitting there.  We closed the windows fast as we could, but it was too late.  Probably wasn't a racial thing because we had blacks and whites on our bus.  It was just a crap neighborhood in a crap part of town with kids who weren't raised any better than to think it's hilarious to mace other kids stuck on a bus.  

Fire Department eventually came and hosed us down to help get the residue off of us.  Only time I've ever been maced.  Never wanted none of that again, lemme tell you.

All told, I got home about an hour and a half late that day, whereupon my mom was freaking out because my sister had already called her at work that I wasn't home, and then nobody believed my story.  It did make the paper the next day, though, which was weird because I don't think any reporters showed up to the scene or anything.  

Life was different then.  Can you imagine bus drivers with no cell phones or CB radios?  It's hard to even imagine kids today without cell phones.  

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« Reply #6309 on: July 17, 2026, 10:42:32 AM »
Well that sucks.  In all my hundreds upon hundreds of hours of being bused, I can at least say I've never had to deal with being maced on a school bus...

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« Reply #6310 on: July 17, 2026, 10:46:57 AM »
Austin undoubtedly has a classier form of hooliganism than does Baton Rouge.  

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« Reply #6311 on: July 17, 2026, 10:51:36 AM »
One time when a buddy I've had since elementary school came to visit me in Austin with his wife, I was driving them somewhere and I mentioned that this wasn't the greatest part of town.  His wife was joking about me putting them in danger in the ghetto, and then they looked around and noticed--as I had once done--this was much better not-great-part-of-town than they were used to.  Then they started joking about how Baton Rouge had way better ghettos than Austin.  

I can't remember where that was.  I would've only known "bad part of town" based on what Austinites had told me.  It was low income for sure, but it was impossible not to notice the houses were just way better-kept than the run-down shitholes in some parts of Baton Rouge.  

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« Reply #6312 on: July 17, 2026, 09:26:08 PM »
Yeah our slummiest neighborhoods were never all that scary, that's for sure.

Unless of course a yellow schoolbus dropped you into the middle of one with like 4 or 5 other white kids amongst hundreds of angsty angry Mexican kids and no escape routes, like the drop-in for HALO or Fortnight or some other video game where you are plopped straight into an active combat hellzone with completely inadequate firepower and you're hopelessly outmanned and overmatched.

And you're 12 years old and the only adults nearby actively blame you for being there and you're a racist if you make any attempt at objecting or calling attention to your bleeding face.

Then they get pretty freakin' scary.

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« Reply #6313 on: July 20, 2026, 09:52:55 AM »
That sucks.  And so weird.  It's like they get over it more when they grow up, or go outside the neighborhood.  I interacted heavily with so many Mexicans during my time there, all over the city, as does everyone who lives there, I imagine, and I never caught any whiffs that they had problems with Gringos.  

Now, when I worked down in the valley for a few years.....some of those folks absolutely had bad attitudes about whites.  Not aggressively, and not in a way where everybody didn't get along, but it was palpable.  The history down there kind of made that understandable.  Not saying I enjoyed that aspect of it, just saying it made sense given what I learned about the area.  

I should note there were also a ton of good-natured folks down there who were some of the friendliest people ever.  But it was the first time I ever recall experiencing anything resembling resentment based on nothing more than my skin type, or business owners refusing to serve me.  Growing up in Baton Rouge, we mostly only had blacks and whites (unlike today, there's a lot more ethnicities that are more common there), and sometimes there were cultural differences, but 1) that seemed to exist along income divides, not racial lines, and 2) there wasn't really any fighting about it.  I mean, sometimes black kids and white kids got in fights, but it was over the same dumb stuff boys fight about who are both white or both black.  Not because they didn't like the way each other looked.  

All in all, I'm lucky in that I can't really identify with the stuff that was going on in Austin back then.  

 

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