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MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #798 on:** October 29, 2018, 10:56:13 AM »

It was a bit frustrating to watch Cornelius pull the ball and fool the defense by the end of the game. I kept thinking surely they have to be aware of the keeper by now.

I get whiplash watching this team, especially the defense. Sometimes they look like the best unit in the country. Sometimes they look like a decently coached high school team.

Sometimes in the same game.

CharleyHorse46 · « **Reply #799 on:** October 29, 2018, 11:41:15 AM »

Transitive properties generally do not exist in college football. A can > B, and B can > C, and C can still > A.

Sometimes you enter a game where the other team plays so extraordinarily well you can't believe it. Everything goes right. And sometimes you play a game where everything goes wrong for you. Receivers drop balls, kickers tackle opponents sitting on the bench, stupid calls hurt you.

Generally when those things happen you can lose 42-16 - even if you're as good or better than the team you're playing.

We lost 38-35 and I'm claiming a moral victory in that. Texas is not at a place where it can take anything for granted. Everything must be assessed and critiqued.

It's a pain to lose. It's pain to lose to somebody you think you could normally be better than. That's football. That's why the games are played.

No excuses.

CharleyHorse46 · « **Reply #800 on:** October 29, 2018, 11:44:43 AM »

What could be interesting is if wvu or OU win out and go to CCG only to face a battle-scarred team from a field of 6-3 or 5-4 (conference record, of course) teams that have beat the crap out of each other.

And the lowly underdog dominates the one loss team.

Yeah, that'd be fun. Especially if Texas is the one that can spoil the Sooner's shot at CFP. :-)

Mr Tulip · « **Reply #801 on:** October 29, 2018, 12:52:56 PM »

Quote from: MikeDeTiger on October 29, 2018, 10:56:13 AM

It was a bit frustrating to watch Cornelius pull the ball and fool the defense by the end of the game. I kept thinking surely they have to be aware of the keeper by now.

I get whiplash watching this team, especially the defense. Sometimes they look like the best unit in the country. Sometimes they look like a decently coached high school team.

Sometimes in the same game.

Texas plays an intricate style defense with usually 3 DL and a general mishmash of everything else, LB, DB, tweeners what-have-you. They line up at odd places and move right before the snap. The object is to make the offense figure it out in real time - not after an OC sitting in the booth relays the exact call to attack it to the QB.
When it works, it's beautiful. The problem is that Big 12 offenses know how to attack the missed assignment. If a player goes the wrong way or doesn't cover his responsibility, then that's where the ball goes. It makes everyone else look stupid and out of position. Texas suspended its 2 usual starters for the 1st quarter for being late to a team meeting. The backups were certifiably lost. I guess credit Tom Herman for sticking by his suspensions while the Cowboys rang up 17 points.

BrownCounty · « **Reply #802 on:** October 29, 2018, 01:34:24 PM »

Texas is a young team and still mentally immature for this level of play. The #6 ranking destroyed them. And then so did Oklahoma State in the 1st half.

Texas will show up and curb stomp West Virginia. It will be impressive.

I never expected Texas to be a playoff team this year or even next. We're way ahead of schedule. We're already back to Mack Brown firing status.

Yesterday was bound to happen with this team. They know how to play, they've got it in them. But "winning is hard"... You've got to be up for it every week.

Texas didn't show up for a Ok State team that Texas Tech throttled. You could see it in their anger and frustration at the end. They blew it. They knew they blew it. They're mad at themselves.

God help West Virginia.

CousinFreddie · « **Reply #803 on:** October 29, 2018, 01:57:51 PM »

Quote from: CharleyHorse46 on October 29, 2018, 11:44:43 AM

What could be interesting is if wvu or OU win out and go to CCG only to face a battle-scarred team from a field of 6-3 or 5-4 (conference record, of course) teams that have beat the crap out of each other.

And the lowly underdog dominates the one loss team.

Yeah, that'd be fun. Especially if Texas is the one that can spoil the Sooner's shot at CFP. :-)

Yeah, I can see why that would be fun, from your pov, particularly if it was 1-loss OU who got punked by a battle-scarred Texas team, which would mean that particular brand of lightning having struck twice in one year.

So, that's your fantasy, and here's mine. What I'd like to see is OU and Texas ending up in the CCG, and OU returning the RRS favor with a resounding win with the conf title on the line.

But, you know, that's just too obvious a fantasy, and so here's a more deep and dark and delicious one

A second fantasy scenario could be: OU whips WVU by a lot, and Texas loses to WVU by, say a lot, or at least, a last minute touchdown catch, and the three teams end with identical 1 loss conf records, having beaten each other in turn. In this case, the first two Big 12 tiebreaker rules (round robin records against each other, and then against rest of the conference, both of which would be equal for all three) don't appear to resolve it, and it moves to score differential, the third tiebreaker. At the moment, from my quick look, it appears that OU and WVU have better score differentials than Texas, and that would mean that Texas, despite winning the RRS against OU, would be left out of the CCG.

And, then the fun would begin. The Texas fan base would scream bloody murder, accuse OU of cheating even though the Sooners simply followed the rules, accuse Big 12 officials of OU favoritism despite being involved with (or even demanding) the creation of these revised tiebreaker rules, and then out of frustration UT fans fly blimps with banners over stadiums, and the Texas HC might even end up on national tv, perhaps at the halftime of the Bedlam game, whining about how unfair life is.

It would be 2008 all over again, and karma for the Mack-tivated BCS and Rose Bowl snub of Cal back in 2004, living on, and on, and on ...

longhorn320 · « **Reply #804 on:** October 29, 2018, 02:25:18 PM »

Quote from: CousinFreddie on October 29, 2018, 01:57:51 PM

Yeah, I can see why that would be fun, from your pov, particularly if it was 1-loss OU who got punked by a battle-scarred Texas team, which would mean that particular brand of lightning having struck twice in one year.

So, that's your fantasy, and here's mine. What I'd like to see is OU and Texas ending up in the CCG, and OU returning the RRS favor with a resounding win with the conf title on the line.

But, you know, that's just too obvious a fantasy, and so here's a more deep and dark and delicious one

A second fantasy scenario could be: OU whips WVU by a lot, and Texas loses to WVU by, say a lot, or at least, a last minute touchdown catch, and the three teams end with identical 1 loss conf records, having beaten each other in turn. In this case, the first two Big 12 tiebreaker rules (round robin records against each other, and then against rest of the conference, both of which would be equal for all three) don't appear to resolve it, and it moves to score differential, the third tiebreaker. At the moment, from my quick look, it appears that OU and WVU have better score differentials than Texas, and that would mean that Texas, despite winning the RRS against OU, would be left out of the CCG.

And, then the fun would begin. The Texas fan base would scream bloody murder, accuse OU of cheating even though the Sooners simply followed the rules, accuse Big 12 officials of OU favoritism despite being involved with (or even demanding) the creation of these revised tiebreaker rules, and then out of frustration UT fans fly blimps with banners over stadiums, and the Texas HC might even end up on national tv, perhaps at the halftime of the Bedlam game, whining about how unfair life is.

It would be 2008 all over again, and karma for the Mack-tivated BCS and Rose Bowl snub of Cal back in 2004, living on, and on, and on ...

look at the little sooner man running smack even though we have scoreboard
thats cute
what you better hope for is for WV to beat UT cause if they dont it might be a dissappointing season for the
land grabbers
additionally you guys have to play both Tech and WV as visitors
so good luck with that

CharleyHorse46 · « **Reply #805 on:** October 29, 2018, 03:27:37 PM »

I think I said it would be "interesting."

My fantasies do not involve football.

My fantasy would be finding a bottle on a beach, rubbing it and Jessica Alba popping out of it in a cloud of smoke with a warm fresh baked coconut cream pie in one hand and a fork to feed it to me in the other.

I love coconut cream pie. It's one thing I can just never get enough of IRL.

Football is something I watch on TV when I'm not fantasizing.

FearlessF · « **Reply #806 on:** October 29, 2018, 03:39:17 PM »

I sometimes fantasize while watching football on TV

but, it's never been coconut cream pie

CousinFreddie · « **Reply #807 on:** October 29, 2018, 04:07:37 PM »

fan·ta·sy /ˈfan(t)əsē/
noun: fantasy 1. the faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are impossible or improbable.
verb: fantasy 1. imagine the occurrence of; fantasize about.
So, yep, you were fantasizing Primo. Now it's a judgment call about whether your imaginative scenario about whether a roughed up Texas might knock a 1-loss OU out of the CFP is improbable, and whether my three way tie but Texas is gets ejected on the third tiebreaker is improbable, but it was definitely something you and I both were imagining, respectively.

I like the beach fantasy better of course, but the football one (either yours or mine) wasn't bad. Hopefully it was good for you too.

CharleyHorse46 · « **Reply #808 on:** October 29, 2018, 04:21:27 PM »

Well, primo. I think it much more likely that a won loss team will meet a two or more loss team in the CCG than that Jessica Alba will be my pie bearing genie.

Texas, West Virginia and Oklahoma are all one loss teams. West Virginia still has to play both Texas and Oklahoma. Therefore it is impossible for Texas and West Virginia or for West Virginia and Oklahoma to meet in the CCG as one loss teams. Texas and Oklahoma could possibly meet as one loss teams, but how likely is that when OU still has Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and West Virginia to play and Texas still has West Virginia, Texas Tech and Iowa State still left to play?

It's probably even more likely that both teams in the CCG will have two conference losses each than that both would only have one conference loss.

So it is entirely within the realm of probability that a one loss team could face a multi-loss team. Not improbable. Not a fantasy. In fact, it's likely.

CousinFreddie · « **Reply #809 on:** October 29, 2018, 04:21:51 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on October 29, 2018, 02:25:18 PM

look at the little sooner man running smack even though we have scoreboard

Wow, that's pretty disrespectful of the long running porch relationship we have. SMH, 320. You're a bigger man than you're showing here. I guess that Stillwater loss burned you pretty bad. It certainly seemed to burn your HC, who embarrassed himself at the end of the game there. Is Tom Herman 40?
And, if having scoreboard stopped the other side of the RRS from running smack, then Texas fans would have ceased and desisted in their anti-OU smack for about 2/3rds of the 21st century. And of course we know that didn't happen.

CousinFreddie · « **Reply #810 on:** October 29, 2018, 04:30:00 PM »

Quote from: CharleyHorse46 on October 29, 2018, 04:21:27 PM

Well, primo. I think it much more likely that a won loss team will meet a two or more loss team in the CCG than that Jessica Alba will be my pie bearing genie.

...

So it is entirely within the realm of probability that a one loss team could face a multi-loss team. Not improbable. Not a fantasy. In fact, it's likely.

Sad but true on the first part.
On the second point, it doesn't have to be improbable to be imagined, although we could do the probability and it means OU wins out (not that likely) and Texas wins out or at least does better than the other 8 teams in the Big 12 (not that likely either) and then if you put those together you have two at most partly likely things combining to make an even less likely outcome. And besides, we all know that a rematch between two closely matched teams often favors the team that lost the first time. OU-NU in 1978 or Bama-LSU a few years ago, etc. It's at least even money that OU would beat Texas in a rematch. Put all those things together and ...
No, darn it all, Jessica as your desert island pie is still more unlikely.
Everything we're talking about though are just imagined scenarios.

utee94 · « **Reply #811 on:** October 29, 2018, 04:36:13 PM »

I'd be very comfortable with Texas playing OU again.

Not sure it'll happen though, any of the WVU, @Tech, and ISU games are potential losses for the Horns. I expect Texas to lose one of those, and I'm hopeful it's not 2, or 3.

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