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« Reply #5418 on: March 04, 2024, 03:59:08 PM »
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« Reply #5419 on: March 04, 2024, 04:03:36 PM »
I did originally ask what sport and gender he was talking about

Had that question been answered all the confusion could have been avoided

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« Reply #5420 on: March 04, 2024, 05:12:01 PM »
On the bright side, the NCAA swimming and diving championships are coming up at the end of the month.

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« Reply #5421 on: March 14, 2024, 12:19:11 PM »
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« Reply #5422 on: March 14, 2024, 05:55:52 PM »
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« Reply #5423 on: March 23, 2024, 11:45:07 AM »
Battleship Texas was refloated a few days ago.


https://youtu.be/eRmnlZj1qq8

The guy doing the video can't add. He thinks that 1914 + 120 = 2024.

Has it been decided where Texas' new berth will be?

Texas just came out of drydock, and Battleship New Jersey is being floated down the Delaware River to go into drydock.


https://youtu.be/zbahiEILxUk


https://youtu.be/ToDAq0HeF94

Talk starts at about 14:10 in the second video.

The Iowas (of which New Jersey is one) were the biggest, heaviest, fastest, most-heavily armed U.S. Navy battleships. And the most beautiful too, IMO. The North Carolinas are awful pretty too.

USS New Jersey is the most-decorated battleship in U.S. Navy history. 9 battle stars for WWII and 2 for Korea.
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« Reply #5425 on: March 24, 2024, 06:28:02 AM »
OK.

I saw this Beaumont and Baytown being rejected and didn't understand whether or not it was implied that Galveston was not being considered either.


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Once repairs are complete, the Battleship Texas Foundation intends to berth the ship at a different city; Galveston and many other Texas cities are interested but in March 2023, Baytown and Beaumont were told by the foundation that they were no longer under consideration. As part of the conditions for receiving the $35 million from the Texas government, Texas can only be berthed in the upper coast region of Texas after she is repaired, meaning any part of the Texas coastline from the San Bernard National Wildlife Refuge to the Louisiana border.
Why was the idea of returning it to San Jacinto State Park rejected? Not close enough to the coast?
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« Reply #5426 on: March 24, 2024, 09:58:17 AM »


Why was the idea of returning it to San Jacinto State Park rejected? Not close enough to the coast?

The number of visitors at San Jacinto had decreased a lot.  The state depends on money raised from visitors to help maintain the ship.

Because Galveston had already demonstraited its visitor level would be much higher by birthing the  restored tall ship Elissa and had expressed an eagerness to birth the Texas it was chosen.

See add for visiting the Elissa:

https://www.galvestonhistory.org/sites/1877-tall-ship-elissa-at-the-galveston-historic-seaport


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yjhfPIcGMg



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« Reply #5427 on: March 24, 2024, 02:49:57 PM »
That's cool, 320!

So, the video says that Elissa is "over 200 feet long, with a mast that stands 100 feet above the deck."

Per the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge, she's 140 feet long. But the length of ships can be measured different ways--length at the waterline is one, length from the foremost piece of the ship (the jib boom, in this case) to the stern (which often is further aft than the rudder) is another. I suspect that the Font is using the former measurement, while the video is using the latter.

Eyeballing it, I'd say that the top of the mainmast is at least 100 feet above the deck.

It's interesting all the things that "ship" can mean. One of the meanings is a vessel that carries smaller vessels--boats--on it. Elissa is a ship by that definition. Another meaning is a sailing vessel that has at least three masts, all square-rigged. In this sense, Elissa is not a ship, but a barque, because the mainsail on her mizzenmast is fore-and-aft rigged. Change the rigging on the mizzenmast and she'd be a ship in that sense. OTOH, change the rigging on her mainmast to fore-and-aft, and she'd be a barquentine.

Anyway, she's a very handsome vessel. It would be a treat to ride on her for an afternoon.

I wish some of the great American clipper ships of the mid-19th century had survived. The only surviving clipper I know of is Cutty Sark, built in 1869, at the very end of the clipper era, now berthed in London.
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« Reply #5428 on: March 24, 2024, 04:26:50 PM »
It's interesting all the things that "ship" can mean. One of the meanings is a vessel that carries smaller vessels--boats--on it.
I had never heard that, but perhaps it explains why submarines are called boats in general.

Some submarines can of course carry other smaller vessels, and perhaps even a torpedo might be considered a "vessel", depending on how THAT is defined.

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« Reply #5429 on: March 24, 2024, 04:48:54 PM »
We're 2-1/2 months out from the 80th anniversary of D-Day.

I was looking for a map on the invasion beaches and I found this.



You can see where USS Texas had her firing position for the naval bombardment, about 1/3 of the way between the center and the left edge. SE of her is USS Arkansas, a class earlier than Texas. WNW of Texas is Nevada, a class newer than Texas, and sister ship of Oklahoma. Both of those two were at Pearl Harbor on 7 Dec 41.

Interestingly, there's an Enterprise between Texas and Nevada. It's HMS Enterprise, a light cruiser and the 14th ship (of 15) of that name to be commissioned into the Royal Navy.
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« Reply #5430 on: March 24, 2024, 05:26:06 PM »
I don't completely understand why naval gunfire in support of ground forces was so limited in effect (usually).  They had spotters and complete air control in this one.  Any 14 inch shell is far larger than most land artillery.  I know some Germans were in serious concrete bunkers, I've seen them up close.  But naval guns are designed to be able to hit moving ships, not stationary land targets.  (Granted, they don't hit ships very often either.)  Maybe the issue is that spotting aircraft can't make out much on the ground, or have to stay at too high an altitude.

The 21st Panzer had some initial success on D Day even when under heavy naval artillery fire.  My question is how any survived.

The Reception: The Germans on D-Day | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans (nationalww2museum.org)

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« Reply #5431 on: March 24, 2024, 05:36:19 PM »
I had never heard that, but perhaps it explains why submarines are called boats in general.

Some submarines can of course carry other smaller vessels, and perhaps even a torpedo might be considered a "vessel", depending on how THAT is defined.
I don't know if there's a universally agreed-upon definition of boat compared to ship. But the submarines of modern navies are certainly ships.
The two-man midget subs that were part of the Pearl Harbor attack? I think they should properly be considered boats.
Speaking of those midget subs, one of them is involved with an interesting story.
In 1918, Wickes-class destroyer USS Ward was built in a record 17-1/2 days at Mare Island Navy Yard, CA. She was laid down on 15 May and launched on 1 June. She was commissioned on 24 July. She was transferred to the Atlantic just about the time that the Great War ended. She was part of the surface support of the trans-Atlantic flight of the U.S. Navy's NC flying boats in May 1919. She returned to the Pacific a few months later and was decommissioned on 21 July 1921.
Here's a semi-well-known picture of "Destroyer No. 139" under construction.

[img width=397.983 height=500]https://inchhighguy.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/ward01.jpg[/img]

The outbreak of WWII in Sep 39 brought Ward back into service. She was recommissioned on 15 Jan 41 and sent to Pearl Harbor soon thereafter. She operated on local patrols over the course of the year. On 5 Dec 41 she got a new skipper, Lt. Cdr. William Outerbridge. It was his first command.

Two days later, before dawn, Ward was patrolling off the entrance to Pearl Harbor. At 0357, Ward got a visual signal from minesweeper USS Condor (AMc-14) that a periscope had been spotted. Ward began searching for that periscope. At 0637, she spotted what looked like a conning tower trailing cargo ship USS Antares (AKS-3) heading toward the entrance to the harbor. Otterbridge gave the command to open fire, and at about 0645 she holed and sank the midget sub that that conning tower belonged to. Ward thus drew first blood in the war between Japan and the U.S. She reported the sub engaged and sunk twice, at 0651 and 0653, but delays in seeking confirmation and reluctance to believe the report resulted in the message not being rapidly transmitted up the chain of command.

In 1942, Ward, redesignated as APD-16, along with several other 4-stacker destroyers, was converted into a high-speed troop transport. She steamed to the South Pacific in early 1943. She served in the Solomons campaign, helped in the defense of the air attack on Tulagi, participated in the Cape Gloucester invasion, and participated in the assaults on Saidor, Nissan Island, Emirau, Aitape, Biak, Cape Sansapor, and Morotai. By Oct 44, she was operating in and around the Philippines. Per the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge:

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On 17 October 1944, she put troops ashore on Dinagat Island during the opening phase of the Leyte invasion. After spending the rest of October and November escorting ships to and from Leyte, in early December, Ward transported Army personnel during the landings at Ormoc Bay, Leyte. On the morning of 7 December, three years to the day after she fired the opening shot of the Pearl Harbor attack, she came under attack by several Japanese kamikazes while patrolling off the invasion area. One bomber hit her hull amidships, bringing her to a dead stop. When the resulting fires could not be controlled, Ward's crew was ordered to abandon ship, and she was sunk by gunfire from [USS] O'Brien [DD-725], whose commanding officer, William W. Outerbridge, had been in command of Ward during her action in Hawaii three years before.

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