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« Reply #5054 on: June 27, 2023, 03:33:01 PM »
Interesting indeed.  The usual ship designations I've seen are:

DE
DD
CL
CA
CB
BB
CVE
CVL
CV(N today).

I don't know what the second B in BB means either.


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« Reply #5055 on: June 28, 2023, 10:51:45 AM »

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« Reply #5056 on: June 28, 2023, 02:08:15 PM »
Interesting indeed.  The usual ship designations I've seen are:

DE
DD
CL
CA
CB
BB
CVE
CVL
CV(N today).

I don't know what the second B in BB means either.
I imagine it's like the 2nd "D" in "DD." It's just a place-holder. There was a "DL" classification for "destroyer leaders" for awhile after WWII. They were big destroyers, and were later designated "FF" for "frigate." This was different from the use of "frigate" in every other navy, a surface combatant smaller than a destroyer. Eventually, we adopted the nomenclature followed by the rest of the world. We still have frigates, and they are still designated "FF."
Interestingly and inconsistently, "CC" was for "battlecruiser." We only laid down six of them, and all were cancelled in the aftermath of the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922. The two closest to completion, CC-1 (Lexington) and CC-2 (Saratoga) were converted to aircraft carriers.
Then there was "CB" for the "almost battlecruisers" of the Alaska class. They were designated as "large cruisers." They were built to perform essentially the same role as battlecruisers--scouting and commerce raiding--and there are still navy buffs who argue that they were battlecruisers.
"CVA" was around for awhile after WWII to designate "attack carriers," as was "CVB" to designate "large carriers." Now we only have "CVN"--"fleet carrier, nuclear-powered."
And there's "SS" for "submarine" or "attack submarine," with suffixes of "B" for "ballistic missiles" and "N" for "nuclear-powered." 
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« Reply #5057 on: June 28, 2023, 02:13:16 PM »
[img width=500 height=318.991]https://i.imgur.com/ROrIZko.png[/img]
That's a new one to me. I see it is labeled "XV-2," but I've never heard of it. I'd guess that it was built by Bell, based on its semi-rigid (a.k.a. "teeter-totter") rotor. I wonder where the anti-torque control is coming from, or if the rotor is powered by little jets at the tips, which would not produce a torque reaction, but might still require some sort of "anti-spin" control due to friction on the rotor shaft.
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« Reply #5058 on: June 28, 2023, 02:21:12 PM »
Per the Font, I find that Sikorsky had a project called the XV-2, but it was cancelled before construction of the prototype began.



It was to have been powered by tip-jets. In forward flight, the rotor would retract and it would be powered by a conventional jet engine.
Could that picture upthread be an image of something that never existed?
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« Reply #5059 on: June 28, 2023, 03:09:39 PM »
The Sikorsky XV-2, also known by the Sikorsky Aircraft model number S-57, was a planned experimental stoppable rotor aircraft, designated as a convertiplane, developed for a joint research program between the United States Air Force and the United States Army to explore technologies to develop an aircraft that could take off and land like a helicopter but fly at faster airspeeds, similar to a conventional airplane.

The XV-2’s stoppable-rotor design was intended to allow it to hover and fly at low speed like a conventional helicopter, while at higher speeds the rotor would be stopped and retracted, and the XV-2 would fly like a conventional aircraft on delta wings.

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The XV-2 prototype was assigned the serial number 53-4403, but the project was cancelled before construction could begin.[4]

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« Reply #5060 on: June 28, 2023, 04:09:54 PM »
On this date, June 27, 1952: With Bell test pilot Jean “Skip” Ziegler at the controls, the X-2 research rocketplane was airdropped from the B-50 Superfortress “mothership” over Edwards Air Force Base, Calif. This was the first flight of the X-2 Program and was an unpowered glide flight for pilot familiarization. On touch down, the nose wheel collapsed, and the aircraft slid across the dry lake bed, but was not seriously damaged.

The X-2 was a joint project of the U.S. Air Force and NACA (the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics, the predecessor of NASA). The rocketplane was designed and built by Bell to explore supersonic flight at speeds beyond the capabilities of the earlier Bell X-1 and Douglas D-558-2 Skyrocket. In addition to the aerodynamic effects of speeds in the Mach 2–Mach 3 range, engineers knew that the high temperatures created by aerodynamic friction would be a problem, so the aircraft was built from Stainless Steel and K-Monel, a copper-nickel alloy.

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« Reply #5061 on: June 28, 2023, 05:29:32 PM »
I was thinking that. In the picture, the jet couldn't provide much forward thrust without the rotor getting ripped off. Ergo, the rotor has to retract at some point.

I appreciate the innovation, and a lot of times the bits and pieces that grow from a project like this end up being used elsewhere. In this configuration, though, that craft looks like the maximum amount of complexity for a minimum amount of usability.

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« Reply #5062 on: June 28, 2023, 05:31:29 PM »
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On touch down, the nose wheel collapsed, and the aircraft slid across the dry lake bed . . . .
Bell Aircraft, later Bell Helicopters, has had many ingenious and groundbreaking ideas over the decades. But it has also had quality-control problems and a tendency to stick with a once-bright idea long after its expiration date.


The Bell P-39, and its derivative, the P-63, were WWII fighters with the engine mounted behind the pilot. This allowed a 37-mm cannon to be mounted in the nose. The engine was the same Allison V-1710 that limited the high-altitude performance of the P-40 and early-model P-51. It needed to be turbocharged, like the P-38, but there was not enough room in the fuselage for a turbocharger. Brilliant, original idea, but poor execution. We sent most P-39s and P-63s to the USSR, where they did fine because most of the air fighting was done at low-to-medium altitude.

A Bell X-1 flown by Chuck Yeager was the first aircraft to exceed Mach 1 in level flight. But the X-1A almost killed Chuck Yeager after he reached Mach 2.44. And the X-1D made only one successful flight, an unpowered glide like the X-2 in the picture which also featured a nose-wheel collapse on landing. The second flight was supposed to be powered, but the fuel system exploded while it was still attached to the B-50 mother-ship. The X-1E program killed two pilots in fuel explosions caused by improper gaskets in the fuel lines.

The X-2 program killed three people. Pilot Skip Zeigler was killed in X-2 #2 in a captive flight when the liquid oxygen fuel exploded, also killing a crewman on the B-50. Pilot Mel Apt was killed when he encountered the same emergency--supersonic inertia coupling--that had almost killed Yeager in the X-1A. Before he lost control, he had set a new record of Mach 3.2. The program was cancelled at that point after 20 flights.

Bell got into the helicopter business early and produced the Model 47, a great helicopter made famous by its use on the TV series "Whirlybirds." As the H-13, it was widely used in Korea (later appearing in the long-running "MASH" TV series) and in the early days of the Vietnam War. The Korean Army still had some in use (I think) when I was there in 1987-88). It featured the semi-rigid rotor system I mentioned upthread. That type of main rotor is relatively simple and durable, but its limitations restrict the helicopter's maneuverability and top speed. Bell would stick with that rotor system into the 1980, with the UH-1 Huey, the AH-1 HueyCobra, the OH-58 Kiowa (military version of the JetRanger). All were limited by that rotor system. The biggest problem is the need to avoid low-G situations, in which the rotor can start teetering and tear itself off the mast. 0.5 positive G was the lowest G-loading permitted.

Bell's XV-15 tilt-rotor and production vehicle the V-22 Osprey are newer examples of the ingenious ideas. But the V-22 has had the highest accident rate of any manned aircraft in the U.S. armed forces over the last 40 years.
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« Reply #5063 on: June 28, 2023, 05:52:36 PM »
I was thinking that. In the picture, the jet couldn't provide much forward thrust without the rotor getting ripped off. Ergo, the rotor has to retract at some point.

I appreciate the innovation, and a lot of times the bits and pieces that grow from a project like this end up being used elsewhere. In this configuration, though, that craft looks like the maximum amount of complexity for a minimum amount of usability.
The 1950s saw a lot of designs for VTOL aircraft that look crazy today. Most of them didn't work very well either as rotorcraft or as airplanes.
I like the modern compound helicopter layout, as seen on the Sikorsky X2, with coaxial rotors and a pusher prop.


https://youtu.be/mLKyuwLZnbE

That's going to be the layout for the Army's next attack helicopter, assuming that the Army can bring a new helicopter project to fruition, but it's not going to have tandem seating. I don't understand the reasoning for that latter decision.
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« Reply #5064 on: June 29, 2023, 08:36:41 AM »

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« Reply #5065 on: June 29, 2023, 01:34:48 PM »
I think it would be a good thing for the SEC to go ahead and schedule 9 games in good faith. It would also help with schedule stability. Not knowing how many conference games there will be two years from now is hard on everybody.
I agree but don't see it going that way.  Disney are going to have to lay their cards on the table.

Ultimately it will still make them plenty of money, so the only sticking point is, how much of that money will be split to the SEC and how much does Disney get to keep.
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« Reply #5066 on: June 29, 2023, 02:21:25 PM »
You're probably right. Too bad.
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« Reply #5067 on: July 02, 2023, 11:31:33 AM »
Changing up all these OOC schedules so quickly could have been an major issue with going to nine.

 

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