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« Reply #4802 on: April 13, 2023, 10:44:23 PM »
I'm certainly not moving there

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« Reply #4803 on: April 13, 2023, 11:39:37 PM »
I'm certainly not moving there

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« Reply #4804 on: April 14, 2023, 12:10:13 AM »
Austin city voters are among the most immature, naive, juvenile, and easily duped folks on the planet.  They deserve the exact clown show of city government they continue to vote for.

My move to the suburbs 12 years ago could not have been more perfectly timed.

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« Reply #4805 on: April 14, 2023, 09:22:44 AM »
Austin city voters are among the most immature, naive, juvenile, and easily duped folks on the planet.  They deserve the exact clown show of city government they continue to vote for.
They have a LOT of competition, but you said "among" ...  Chicago and SF come to mind as "among" ...  Portland, maybe Seattle ...


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« Reply #4807 on: April 15, 2023, 07:06:56 PM »
The whole museum fleet is watching Battleship Texas.


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« Reply #4808 on: April 15, 2023, 08:42:36 PM »
Thanks for posting CW

They sure have a big job getting this ship back to museum quality
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« Reply #4809 on: April 16, 2023, 09:07:27 PM »
Thanks for posting CW

They sure have a big job getting this ship back to museum quality
It's sad that the original conservators made so many mistakes that eventually caused the damage that is having to be repaired now, at great expense. Replacing the deck timbers with concrete, filling the partially full fuel bunkers with seawater, on the theory that that would prevent corrosion (whereas it actually caused corrosion), etc., have left today's conservators with very tough choices.
But at least the ship wasn't scrapped. I will never accommodate myself to the fact that USS Enterprise (CV-6), the most decorated U.S. Navy ship of WWII, maybe in the history  of the USN, was sent to the scrappers in 1958, disregarding the efforts of many to save her.
USS Texas was fortunate to have been an older ship in 1941. Texas (BB-35) was the USN's last dreadnought battleship. The next class, the Nevada-class (Nevada [BB-36] and Oklahoma [BB-37]), began the era of the USN's "standard-type" battleships. They had a top speed of 21 knots, the had the same turning circles, with the exception of the last class they were were armed with 14" main guns. The remaining "standard" classes were the Pennsylvania-class (Pennsylvania [BB-38] and Arizona [BB-39]), the New Mexico-class (New Mexico [BB-40], Mississippi [BB-41], and Idaho [BB-42]), the Tennessee-class (Tennessee [BB-43] and California [BB-44]), and the Colorado-class (Colorado [BB-45], Maryland [BB-46], Washington [BB-47, cancelled and sunk as a target after the 1921 Washington Naval Treaty], and West Virginia [BB-48], which had the ships' main armament upgraded to 16" guns. All of those ships except Colorado and the New Mexicos were at Pearl Harbor on 7 Dec 1941. Colorado was being overhauled at Puget Sound and the New Mexicos were in the Atlantic.
The South Dakota class was next, but all six (South Dakota [BB-49], Indiana [BB-50], Montana [BB-51], North Carolina [BB-52], Iowa [BB-53], and Massachusetts [BB-54]) were scrapped before completion in compliance with the Washington Naval Treaty.
So, USS Texas was with the Atlantic Fleet, operating on Neutrality Patrols, in 1941, along with the New Mexicos and the two brand new Washington Treaty-compliant fast battleships of the North Carolina class (North Carolina [BB-55] and Washington [BB-56]. Had Texas been at Pearl Harbor, she might have met the fate of Arizona (catastrophically destroyed) or Oklahoma (too badly damaged to be economically repaired). And then there would have been no American dreadnought to survive to become a museum ship.
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« Reply #4810 on: April 16, 2023, 09:43:34 PM »
I bet they are not using Teak for the new deck which was probably used originally

I remember as if it was yesterday as a 12 year old kid running all over that ship

You could even go inside the big gun batteries
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« Reply #4811 on: April 16, 2023, 10:31:08 PM »
I believe you are right about the teak.

I need to visit Battleship Texas some time. I've been aboard ships of the only other USN battleship classes to have ships preserved--USS North Carolina, USS Alabama, and USS Iowa. Each has the main armament of three triple-turrets of 16" guns. Texas--with five double-turrets of 14" guns--is from a whole different age of battleships. She was commissioned only 8 years after HMS Dreadnought, the ship that revolutionized naval warfare.
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« Reply #4812 on: April 17, 2023, 05:49:01 AM »
An interesting point about calibers in naval guns, the Washington and SD classes had 16" guns in 45 calibers while the Iowas had 16" guns in 50 calibers, the term referring to the length of the barrel relative to the breech size.  Longer barrels means higher velocity (to a point).  The same is true for WW 2 tank armament.

The Pnzer IV D had a 75 mm main gun that was short, 20 caliber I dimly recall?  This was upgraded in the Panzer IV F and above to 75 mm and 71 caliber, I think, a longer gun barrel for antitank use.  The Shermans had the same sort of upgrades with different guns like the British 17 pounder, which was a pretty good antitank gun.  But not so good with soft targets.

The Iowa class BBs were somewhat akin to battle cruisers, a term with variable meanings.

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« Reply #4813 on: April 17, 2023, 07:34:10 AM »
Interesting discussion on lobbying. I know there are rules, but I have no idea what they are. 

Right now I’m sure that there are groups lobbying for and against issues. Pro-gun, gun control. Green energy, big oil. I’m sure you can pick any cause and get money for it. If enough people wanted gun control they could out-lobby the nra to get some new laws passed. 

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« Reply #4815 on: April 17, 2023, 08:59:39 AM »
I think the main NRA influence is not lobbying, but its devoted membership that are often one issue voters.  If you are on the "right", you can't afford to alienate such a large portion of your base.  Quite a few voters are de facto one issue voters, though most of the time, the major issues align anyway.  If you like more gun regulation, you probably also like other "left" issues.  So, most politicians try and check all the boxes for their base and then "sound" middle of the road so as not to alienate the middle.

Then they get in office and for various reasons don't do much in terms of legislation anyway.  If you line up the "major issues" and think about how much real legislation gets passed on any of them, it's close to nothing.

We can't even raise the debt ceiling on monies already spent.

 

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