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« Reply #4480 on: December 30, 2022, 12:33:50 PM »
Must mean they'd dominate the B12 right.
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« Reply #4481 on: December 30, 2022, 12:44:20 PM »
There are too few meaningful games to assess relative conference strength beyond some rather broad characterizations, like SEC teams dominate recruiting rankings, to the extent said rankings have some meaning.  Bowl games today for obvious reasons are nearly useless.  If OSU plays UM again, should we decide the B1G was really great this year?  The other teams there aside from PSU look pretty mediocre to bad.  If UGA/Bama/Tenn win, does that mean the SEC is really good?  It could mean the top teams there are relatively good.

Meh/
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« Reply #4482 on: December 30, 2022, 01:01:26 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 30, 2022, 12:44:20 PM
There are too few meaningful games to assess relative conference strength beyond some rather broad characterizations, like SEC teams dominate recruiting rankings, to the extent said rankings have some meaning.  Bowl games today for obvious reasons are nearly useless.  If OSU plays UM again, should we decide the B1G was really great this year?  The other teams there aside from PSU look pretty mediocre to bad.  If UGA/Bama/Tenn win, does that mean the SEC is really good?  It could mean the top teams there are relatively good.

Meh/
People like to make lists, as you are wont to point out.  Comparing conference strength is just another manifestation of that.
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« Reply #4483 on: December 30, 2022, 01:23:49 PM »
Lists .... grrr.
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« Reply #4484 on: December 30, 2022, 01:38:30 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 30, 2022, 01:01:26 PM
People like to make lists, as you [Cincydawg] are wont to point out.  Comparing conference strength is just another manifestation of that.
I think that old habits die hard.
Back in the bad old days of bowls and polls, conference strength, real or perceived, mattered. How did a Nebraska Big 8 record of 7-0 compare to an Alabama SEC record of 8-0, a Texas SWC record of 8-0, or a USC Pac-8 record of 7-0? And, then, in OOC games, how would an OU tie with USC compare to a Texas win over Miami? And then, in bowl games, how would a USC win over Ohio State in the Rose Bowl compare to an Alabama win over Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl? (Those are generic comparisons.)
Starting with the BCS, moving to the CFP, and now the upcoming 12-team playoff, conference strength is less important.
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« Reply #4485 on: December 30, 2022, 01:46:02 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on December 30, 2022, 01:38:30 PM
I think that old habits die hard.
Back in the bad old days of bowls and polls, conference strength, real or perceived, mattered. How did a Nebraska Big 8 record of 7-0 compare to an Alabama SEC record of 8-0, a Texas SWC record of 8-0, or a USC Pac-8 record of 7-0? And, then, in OOC games, how would an OU tie with USC compare to a Texas win over Miami? And then, in bowl games, how would a USC win over Ohio State in the Rose Bowl compare to an Alabama win over Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl? (Those are generic comparisons.)
Starting with the BCS, moving to the CFP, and now the upcoming 12-team playoff, conference strength is less important.
Yeah I agree that there have historically been reasons for attempting to rate relative conference strength.

I'm just pointing out that it's a fool's errand, and if you're attempting to use bowl games as part of the metric, it's flawed and completely irrelevant.
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« Reply #4486 on: December 30, 2022, 01:50:47 PM »
In the future, would a team that is strong but not quite great be better off in a top level conference or the "ACC"?  Imagine you go 12-1 in the ACC and get the bye, where you would have been perhaps 10-2 in the B1G/SEC.
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« Reply #4487 on: December 30, 2022, 02:08:32 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 30, 2022, 01:50:47 PM
In the future, would a team that is strong but not quite great be better off in a top level conference or the "ACC"?  Imagine you go 12-1 in the ACC and get the bye, where you would have been perhaps 10-2 in the B1G/SEC.
Since it is ever and ever all about the money, the extra money that you get in the SEC/B1G outweighs the competitive advantage that you would get with a 1st-round bye.
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« Reply #4488 on: December 31, 2022, 10:22:32 PM »
Congrats to the Frogs, and that goes out to Devil Froggy, wherever he is.

I don't like TCU. I think they play on the dirty edge, and often beyond it. Their M.O. this year was to knock the opposing QB out of the game. I think it would have served them right had their late 4th-down stop been called targeting.

But they've done something OU never accomplished in four trips to the CFP--they've won a semifinal game.

So, again, congrats to TCU.
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« Reply #4489 on: January 01, 2023, 12:13:54 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on December 31, 2022, 10:22:32 PM
Congrats to the Frogs, and that goes out to Devil Froggy, wherever he is.

I don't like TCU. I think they play on the dirty edge, and often beyond it. Their M.O. this year was to knock the opposing QB out of the game. I think it would have served them right had their late 4th-down stop been called targeting.

But they've done something OU never accomplished in four trips to the CFP--they've won a semifinal game.

So, again, congrats to TCU.
Gee TCU says thanks I think
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« Reply #4490 on: January 01, 2023, 07:26:55 AM »
DF posted some on the B1G board yesterday.
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« Reply #4491 on: January 01, 2023, 11:13:35 AM »
Congrats also to the Georgia Bulldogs, CD. That was a great game with Ohio State last night.
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« Reply #4492 on: January 01, 2023, 11:17:13 AM »
That was a crazy game, OSU went up and down the field on our Big 12 defense ....

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« Reply #4493 on: January 01, 2023, 11:51:11 AM »
Congrats to @DevilFroggy and @Cincydawg .  We went camping for a quick overnight and I didn't catch much of either game but the scores seemed exciting.

I'm sure the final matchup will be exciting as well, although I doubt I'll watch it. I haven't seen any of the CFP finals, Monday nights tend to be full of other commitments for me.
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