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« Reply #4382 on: December 04, 2022, 04:00:41 PM »
I too was rooting for Mack and the Tarheads.

They got off to a good start, but then reality set in.
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« Reply #4383 on: December 04, 2022, 04:36:00 PM »
These appear to be the official bowl selections.

Championship Bowl
9 Jan, Inglewood, CA
Semifinal Winners
TBD

Peach Bowl
31 Dec, Atlanta, GA
CFP Semifinal
Georgia vs. Ohio State

Fiesta Bowl
31 Dec, Glendale, AZ
CFP Semifinal
Michigan vs. TCU

Selection Committee Bowl Games

Rose Bowl
2 Jan, Pasadena, CA
Big Ten vs. Pac-12
Utah vs. Penn State

Cotton Bowl
2 Jan, Arlington, TX
At-Large vs. At-Large
USC vs. Tulane

Sugar Bowl
31 Dec, New Orleans, LA
SEC #1 vs. Big 12 #1
Alabama vs. Kansas State

Orange Bowl
30 Dec, Miami Gardens, FL
ACC vs. Big Ten/SEC/ND
Clemson vs. Tennessee

Big 12-Aligned Bowl Games

Alamo Bowl
29 Dec, San Antonio, TX
Big 12 #2 vs. Pac-12 #2
Texas vs. Washington

Cheez-It Bowl
29 Dec, Orlando, FL
ACC #2/ND vs. Big 12 #3
Oklahoma vs. Florida State

Texas Bowl
28 Dec, Houston, TX
Big 12 #4 vs. SEC
Texas Tech vs. Ole Miss

Liberty Bowl
28 Dec, Memphis, TN
Big 12 #5 vs. SEC
Kansas vs. Arkansas

Guaranteed Rate Bowl
27 Dec, Phoenix, AZ
Big 12 #6 vs. Big Ten #7
Oklahoma State vs. Wisconsin

First Responder Bowl
27 Dec, Dallas, TX
Big 12 #7/8 vs. ACC, AAC, or Pac-12
Memphis vs. Utah State

Armed Forces Bowl
22 Dec, Fort Worth, TX
Big 12 #7/8 vs. AAC, C-USA, or Pac-12
Baylor vs. Air Force

I fear that the Sooners are in over their heads in the Cheez-It (the Cops!) Bowl. They certainly did not earn that high a pick based on their performance this year.

I was hoping for a slot in the Guaranteed Rate Bowl vs. Wisconsin. We haven't played Wisconsin since 1969 and 1970, our only two meetings with the Badgers.
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« Reply #4384 on: December 04, 2022, 04:59:41 PM »
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« Reply #4385 on: December 04, 2022, 11:40:58 PM »
Good luck to all the B12 teams in their bowls!

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« Reply #4386 on: December 05, 2022, 10:41:32 PM »
The 4-2-10 brisket-smoking method.


https://youtu.be/gSrcc325H5I

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« Reply #4387 on: December 06, 2022, 12:09:02 AM »
Hmmmm.  There are some things there that I like and, some things I'm not so sure about.

First, I'll say that I think he seasoned it very nicely to start off with.  So many people don't understand that a big cut like a full packer-trimmed brisket requires a LOT of seasoning, instead they treat it like a steak and on too many videos I see, they just lightly sprinkle with salt and not nearly enough black pepper.  Not only will it NOT have enough seasoning flavor, but it won't set up for a good bark.

Next, I'll admit that I don't know anything about cooking with electric smokers, but there are places around town that do it, and in general I find their products to be inferior to the joints that use real wood smokers, traditionally offset stick-burners.  You're not going to find many (any?) joints using electric pellet smokers, in Texas Monthly's Top 50.

Back to the cook-- the first 6 hours of his "4-2-10", I'm okay with.  I don't actually think it's necessary to change temp partway through, in fact these days I go at 285-300 for all of it.  But it's fine, 6 hours at a combined 225-275, should work out no problem, as your starting steps.

But that's when things get a little wonky, in that final 10 hours.  I don't really have an issue with that as a "holding" step but the problem is, I suspect he's converting from cooking to holding, too soon.  He doesn't ever show the final internal temp, but he drops the cooking temp after those first 6 hours, down to a point that's so low that it's not going to be rendering fat nor is it going to be converting collagen to gelatin.  And I can tell from the cross section that the fat isn't fully rendered, and I can tell from his slice that there is way too much pull.  It should just flake away with minimal effort, but he has to tug on it pretty good in order to get it to come apart.  Also, his slices are too thick, but that's just technique and not related to the cook.

Oh, and finally, that "steaming" he does, where he adds water.  That's just going to ruin the bark on the bottom of the brisket and make it really soggy.  The whole point of wrapping in butcher paper, is that it helps the brisket hold temp and retain moisture, but still allows the brisket to breathe, so the bark will set up, all the way around.  Putting it in a foil boat with added water runs completely counter to the purpose of wrapping with paper.  He didn't show it but there's no way the bottom of that brisket is anything other than a gooey mess, sitting directly in a water boat like that.

Anyway, there's a lot of ways to get this job done, and I think some people just work too hard to make it more complicated than it needs to be.

Personally I do a heavily seasoned packer at 285-300 for as long as it takes (probably around 7-8 hours for a 12-13 lber), and I don't ever wrap on the cooker, and the final internal temp should end up somewhere between 197 to 205 but it's irrelevant because what I'm actually looking for when I probe, is that it probes like buttah.  Then I throw it in a cooler with a loose wrap of paper for anywhere between 45 minutes and a couple of hours.  Throw it on the cutting board, slice, and voila!


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« Reply #4388 on: December 06, 2022, 11:06:58 AM »
Yeah, the last 10 hours sort of confused me. It wasn't clear what was supposed to be happening.

I found this one where "Smokin' Joe" smoked a brisket without removing the fat. He didn't say whether it was already a packer cut or not. It came out looking better and more tender, and with better bark, than the one in the video I linked.


https://youtu.be/mDVd2H9dov8
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« Reply #4389 on: December 06, 2022, 11:43:18 AM »
Yup that one looks much better.  Both before, and after, the cook.  It had perfect pull, and he didn't even really slice the flat properly which should be completely against the grain. He was more like 3/4.

Oh and that's definitely a full packer cut, that's exactly what it's supposed to look like.

He's right that a LOT of people in Texico don't trim.  The only thing I ever trim, is if there's any REALLY hard or yellow bits of fat.  Otherwise, it goes exactly as "Smokin' Joe" did it.

I will say that here in Texico, butchers already know how to trim the packer so that it looks like the above, so that's one reason we don't have to do any further trimming.  But in other areas of the country, that's not necessarily so.   I once helped a friend smoke a brisket in California, and his butcher had no clue, so we had to do a lot of extra work, to get it to look like the above.


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« Reply #4390 on: December 06, 2022, 11:49:37 AM »
Oh, and the added beef tallow step?  Completely unnecessary when you don't trim off all the fat cap.  A proper packer brisket is the perfect combination of fat, muscle, and connective tissue. No need to add, or remove, anything.  All you need is season, smoke, and time.

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« Reply #4391 on: December 06, 2022, 12:09:13 PM »
The Texas Bros. here serve it up just fine, Fox Bros., it's not as much a thing in GA because I think places don't know how to do it right.


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« Reply #4392 on: December 06, 2022, 12:30:16 PM »
I remember one of the positions we used to have was called a "Cutter"

Cutting up a cooked brisket sounds easy but there is an art to it.

A good cutter just makes the whole operation run better
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« Reply #4393 on: December 06, 2022, 01:37:59 PM »
Yup.  I learned how to slice growing up at our family BBQ restaurant.

It can take 10 minutes to fully slice a brisket, and at our tailgate parties, I'd typically be doing 6 or 7.  Spending over an hour doing nothing but cutting is pretty tedious, especially if you're itching to grab a beer and hang out at the tailgate party for a bit.  So sometimes I'd hand over the duties to a friend of ours, but invariably, folks would come to me and start complaining that the new slicing wasn't being done properly.

No rest for the weary I suppose.


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« Reply #4394 on: December 06, 2022, 01:43:49 PM »
I remember a good cutter was like being top gun in the wild west

Managers would fight over them to steel one away from another store

It was not unusual for them to make more then the managers with overtime

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