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« Reply #3766 on: July 16, 2022, 02:15:54 PM »
It was a tough lesson also about understanding tides.

Peleliu was a tough lesson about attacking some pointless island.

Guadalcanal was a tough lesson for the Japanese about supplies and logistics, and the US as well. 

Battle of the Bulge was a tough lesson on "it ain't over til it's over".

Lots of tough lessons.
I wonder if we have retained those lessons.
A bunch of Americans died unnecessarily in and around Grenada in Oct 1983 because nobody knew--or bothered to learn--about the currents around Grenada, nobody made sure that the proper maps were distributed to all parties, etc., etc., etc.
Guadalcanal was the Pacific battle where we and the Japanese were most equal in strength. One Japanese general called it the "death of the Japanese army."
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« Reply #3767 on: July 16, 2022, 02:33:27 PM »
Guadalcanal is an interesting campaign, I think.  More sailors died than Marines or soldiers.

I can't think of a land battle of that size where the navies were the key for months.

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« Reply #3768 on: July 16, 2022, 06:40:14 PM »

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[At Guadalcanal, t]he U.S. Navy lost twenty-four major warships; the Japanese lost twenty-four.  Aircraft losses too were nearly equal: America lost 436, Japan 440.  Ashore, U.S. Marine and Army killed were 1,592 . . . .  The number of Americans killed at sea topped five thousand.  Japanese deaths set a bloody pace for the rest of the war, with 20,800 soldiers lost on the island and probably 4,000 sailors at sea.

It was the most critical major military operation America would ever run on such a threadbare shoestring. . . .  [T]he puzzle of victory was solved on the fly and on the cheap, in terms of resources if not lives.  The campaign featured tight interdependence among warriors of the air, land, and sea.  For the infantry to seize and hold the island, ships had to control the sea.  For a fleet to control the sea, the pilots had to fly from the island’s airfield.  For the pilots to fly from the airfield, the infantry had to hold the island.  That tripod stood only by the strength of all three legs. . . .  For most of the campaign, Guadalcanal was a contest of equals, perhaps the only major battle in the Pacific where the United States and Japan fought from positions of parity.  Its outcome was often in doubt.

~ James D. Hornfischer
Neptune’s Inferno: The U.S. Navy at Guadalcanal
Hornfischer also wrote Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors, the story of Taffy 3's battle off Samar during the overall Battle of Leyte Gulf.  It'll bring you to tears.
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« Reply #3769 on: July 16, 2022, 06:46:24 PM »
This was a primary-source reading I used in my AP U.S. History course.


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AP U.S. History Reading 221: “Battle of the Tenaru, August 21, 1942,” by Robert Leckie.
Robert Leckie (December 18, 1920 – December 24, 2001) was an American author of books on United States military history, fiction, autobiography and children’s books. As a young man, he served in the Marine Corps during World War II.  In January 1942, Leckie enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps.  He served in combat in the Pacific theater, as a scout and a machine gunner in H Company, 2nd Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division.  Leckie saw combat in the Guadalcanal Campaign, the Battle of Cape Gloucester, and was wounded by blast concussion in the Battle of Peleliu.  Due to his wounds, he was evacuated to an Army field hospital on the Pavuvu Islands. He returned to the United States in March 1945 and was honorably discharged shortly thereafter.
Following World War II, Leckie worked as a reporter for the Associated Press, the Buffalo Courier-Express, the New York Journal American, the New York Daily News and The Star-Ledger.  In 1951, he saw South Pacific on Broadway and walked out halfway through. He said “I have to tell the story of how it really was. I have to let people know the war wasn’t a musical.”  His first and best-selling book, Helmet for My Pillow, a war memoir, was published in 1957.  This poem comes from that book.
The battle of the Tenaru was the first major Japanese counterattack to the U.S. landing on Guadalcanal.
Battle of the Tenaru, August 21, 1942
by Robert Leckie

A helmet for my pillow,

A poncho for my bed,
My rifle rests across my chest-
The stars swing overhead.
 
The whisper of the kunai,
The murmur of the sea,
The sighing palm and night so calm
Betray no enemy.
 
Hear! river bank so silent
You men who sleep around
That foreign scream across the stream-
Up! Fire at the sound!
 
Sweeping over the sandspit
That blocks the Tenaru
With Banzai-boast a mushroomed host
Vows to destroy our few.
 
Into your holes and gunpits!
Kill them with rifles and knives!
Feed them with lead until they are dead-
And widowed are their wives.

Sons of the mothers who gave you
Honor and gift of birth
Strike with the knife till blood and life
Run out upon the earth.
 
Marines, keep faith with your glory
Keep to your trembling hole.
Intruder feel of Nippon steel
Can’t penetrate your soul.
 
Closing, they charge all howling
Their breasts all targets large.
The gun must shake, the bullets make
A slaughter of their charge.
 
Red are the flashing tracers,
Yellow the bursting shells.
Hoarse is the cry of men who die
Shrill are the woundeds’ yells.
 
God, how the night reels stricken!
She shrieks with orange spark.
The mortar’s lash and cannon’s crash
Have crucified the dark.

Falling, the faltering foemen
Beneath our guns lie heaped.
By greenish glare of rocket’s flare
We see the harvest reaped.
 
Now has the first fierce onslaught
Been broken and hammered back.
Hammered and hit, from hole and pit-
We rise up to attack!
 
Day bursts pale from a gun tube,
The gibbering night has fled.
By light of dawn the foe has drawn
A line behind his dead.
 
Our tanks clank in behind him,
Our riflemen move out.
Their hearts have met our bayonet-
It’s ended with a shout.
 
“Cease fire!” –the words go ringing,
Over the heaps of the slain.
The battle’s won, the Rising Sun
Lies riddled on the plain.
 
St. Michael, angel of battle
We praise you to God on high.
The foe you gave was strong and brave
And unafraid to die.
 
Speak to the Lord for our comrades,
Killed when the battle seemed lost.
They went to meet a bright defeat-
The hero’s holocaust.
 
False is the vaunt of the victor,
Empty our living pride.
For those who fell there is no hell-
Not for the brave who died.

Approximately 817 Japanese soldiers of the 28th Infantry Regiment conducted a nighttime frontal assault on Marine positions at Alligator Creek in the early morning hours of 21 August 1942.  They were stopped with very heavy casualties.  The Marines counterattacked at daylight, killing more Japanese.  In all, 789 Japanese were killed in this action.  41 U.S. Marines were killed.

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« Reply #3770 on: July 17, 2022, 12:36:49 PM »
Interesting finish setting up in The Open Championship.
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« Reply #3771 on: August 03, 2022, 09:28:51 AM »
Vin Scully, R.I.P.
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« Reply #3772 on: August 03, 2022, 09:31:16 AM »
indeed, RIP

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« Reply #3773 on: August 04, 2022, 09:15:51 AM »
Hornfischer also wrote Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors, the story of Taffy 3's battle off Samar during the overall Battle of Leyte Gulf.  It'll bring you to tears.

Yeah, I have that book, and Helmet for My Pillow, and With the Old Breed.  


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« Reply #3774 on: August 04, 2022, 03:37:08 PM »
My favorite novel of all time is This Side of Paradise by F. Scott Fitzgerald.

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« Reply #3775 on: August 05, 2022, 08:14:28 AM »
A fun read is Playing for Pizza by Grisham.

Also fun reads, "Miracle at Augusta" and "Miracle on the 17th Green".

I've read every book Bernard Cornwell published.

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« Reply #3776 on: August 05, 2022, 09:04:50 AM »
Yup Playing for Pizza is definitely an entertaining read.  I like most stuff by Grisham, perfect airplane/vacation reading.

My favorite football book is definitely The Franchise by Peter Gent, same guy who wrote North Dallas Forty (which is also entertaining).

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« Reply #3777 on: August 05, 2022, 09:10:44 AM »
Friday Night Lights is an excellent read, as well. The movie was pretty good but the book is better.

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« Reply #3778 on: August 05, 2022, 09:12:55 AM »
Authors I enjoy reading:

Cornwell
Stephen Hunter
W.E.B. Griffin
Grisham
John Sanford
Michael Connelly  (Bosch series)
Jane Austin
Stephen Ambrose
Forest Carter
C. S. Forrester

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« Reply #3779 on: August 05, 2022, 11:09:49 AM »
Authors I enjoy reading:

Cornwell
Stephen Hunter
W.E.B. Griffin
Grisham
John Sanford
Michael Connelly  (Bosch series)
Jane Austin
Stephen Ambrose
Forest Carter
C. S. Forrester
Did W.E.B. Griffin ever finish The Corps series? I read through the Brotherhood of War series pretty quickly back in the '80s, then started reading The Corps. Seemed like he just quit on that series after book 2 or 3.
If you like C.S. Forrester, you might also like Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey/Maturin series. There are about 20 books, and they are, IMO, great.
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