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« Reply #2968 on: November 05, 2021, 06:19:09 PM »
If she wants to be a vet, I think the only choices in state are Texas A&M and Texas Tech. Tech’s vet school is still kinda new too.
can always do undergrad school wherever. The owner of another forum I frequent daughter just graduated from A&M vet school.
Well her mom is an aggie, so you KNOW she's been pushing that angle.

I keep telling her that you actually SHOULDN'T do grad school in the same place you did you undergrad, which is true, even though that's exactly what I did.

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« Reply #2969 on: November 05, 2021, 06:21:51 PM »
Free community college is actually a very closely debated item. It'd be a reality today if a certain Eeyore clone in West Virginia would quit pining for coal mines and legislate - but that's too close to inflammatory politics, so I won't mention it.

Certain career paths have a college prerequisite by necessity. The rest are oversold. Now that I think of it, I could have likely learned more engineering if I would have simply apprenticed under a practicing one for several years. I know I would have learned more CS doing that.

My daughter took a ton of dual credit courses in high school, and essentially graduated as a collegiate junior. She's been irritated about her college experience being locked up in an overpriced apartment bedroom working on a laptop.

Really, I think we're seeing, likely as part of the pandemic, a re-evaluation of being alive. My generation was sold the tale of "working hard and making something of yourself". We really just became conduits for other peoples' wealth aggregation. Our children are eager to work, and are driven. They're just not driven towards materialism. They're fine doing without. I'm personally interested to see what happens when the "carrot and stick" approach that we've used since the early 1900's stops working.

I'd say Engineering is as close as you can get to a vocational school, within the universities.  I gained valuable knowledge in the engineering program and I wouldn't have been nearly as good of an engineer if I hadn't attended an engineering college program.

CS/Coding/Programming, on the other hand, I've learned almost entirely on my own, or on the job.  I don't think a CS degree would have prepared me any better, but I've been coding since I was 9 years old and it comes very naturally to me.  Not everyone is like that, I totally understand.

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« Reply #2970 on: November 05, 2021, 06:58:48 PM »
I'd guess 90% of the chemistry I once knew was learned on my own, independent of college.  What I think I did learn in grad school was how to approach problems, and enough background to learn what else I needed to learn.  College at best provides a framework, a mostly empty canvass, with lines already present one can fill in later.

I changed from being an organic chemist to a polymer chemist at work, which is not that unusual, but it was some work, and I never knew for sure if I had it right initially.  We hired a "real" polymer chemist and he said we had it right.  And did more good work.

We had long discussions about the topic later, very useful.

I think college provides a license to learn as much as learning.

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« Reply #2971 on: November 05, 2021, 07:12:04 PM »
I'd say Engineering is as close as you can get to a vocational school, within the universities.  I gained valuable knowledge in the engineering program and I wouldn't have been nearly as good of an engineer if I hadn't attended an engineering college program.

CS/Coding/Programming, on the other hand, I've learned almost entirely on my own, or on the job.  I don't think a CS degree would have prepared me any better, but I've been coding since I was 9 years old and it comes very naturally to me.  Not everyone is like that, I totally understand.
accounting is pretty vocational
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« Reply #2972 on: November 05, 2021, 10:59:49 PM »
accounting is pretty vocational
How much NON accounting/business coursework is there to earn a degree?

In Engineering school, I think I had maybe 12 hours out of 140+ that were not hard science/math/engineering.  

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« Reply #2973 on: November 05, 2021, 11:47:56 PM »
I'll bet Kansas state has a great vet program

my golfing buddy's 95 year old father is a retired vet, KSU grad, played football there back in the day
Yes, they do and we have about a gazillion vet clinics here in Kansas.  One of the best ROI degrees I've seen is construction management.  KSU has a great program as does OSU.  Pittsburg State is good as well.  These programs have a 100% placement rate and most grads get $80k+ to start if they are willing to be in larger metro areas.  

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« Reply #2974 on: November 05, 2021, 11:49:31 PM »
How much NON accounting/business coursework is there to earn a degree?

In Engineering school, I think I had maybe 12 hours out of 140+ that were not hard science/math/engineering. 
I dont really remember but it was never my point to compare my mediocre accounting degree with the likes of the mighty engineering degree

just pointing out that there are various vocational majors

my wife majored in Spanish and History at UT and taught for over 40 years

my daughter was a communications major at UT and today is a successful lawyer
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« Reply #2975 on: November 06, 2021, 12:55:38 AM »
I had several fraternity brothers who were accounting majors.  Their goal was to get into a (then) "Big Eight" accounting firm.
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« Reply #2976 on: November 06, 2021, 01:35:23 AM »
I had several fraternity brothers who were accounting majors.  Their goal was to get into a (then) "Big Eight" accounting firm.
yep thats what I wanted also

course now the Big Eight is more like the Big Fifteen

I was recruited on campus by a fortune 500 company and started off in their Tax Dept

a year later they moved me into their internal audit dept

I never worked in public accounting
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« Reply #2977 on: November 06, 2021, 10:23:42 AM »
a year later they moved me into their internal audit dept

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« Reply #2978 on: November 06, 2021, 10:37:28 AM »
a year later they moved me into their internal audit dept

then always loved by everyone!
we were actually received well by the management of the locations we would visit

we were truly there to help them not to take names and kick ass

I learned a lot while there that served me well later on

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« Reply #2979 on: November 06, 2021, 10:39:28 AM »
Yes, they do and we have about a gazillion vet clinics here in Kansas.  One of the best ROI degrees I've seen is construction management.  KSU has a great program as does OSU.  Pittsburg State is good as well.  These programs have a 100% placement rate and most grads get $80k+ to start if they are willing to be in larger metro areas. 
CM is what my son will be studying. 

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« Reply #2980 on: November 06, 2021, 10:50:10 AM »
I dont really remember but it was never my point to compare my mediocre accounting degree with the likes of the mighty engineering degree

just pointing out that there are various vocational majors

my wife majored in Spanish and History at UT and taught for over 40 years

my daughter was a communications major at UT and today is a successful lawyer

I wasn't trying to belittle accounting, good sir. :)


I was truly wondering how many non-business/accounting focused classes you took, to see how it compared to my education.

I really love literature, and history, and many other subjects, that I barely got to study in college.  I was on a scholarship at Texas, and the money ran out after four years, so I had to rush through and only take the minimum number of non-engineering courses I could.  But I'd have loved to have taken more.  

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« Reply #2981 on: November 06, 2021, 11:42:23 AM »
Back then you were only required to have a BBA in accounting to qualify for becoming a CPA so I didnt stick around for a masters

out of 120 hours Id guess business classes was about 60 My electives consisted of 
classes in the Civil War, Advertising and Psychology

otherwise it was standard English Math and History  plus Geology for a science

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