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« Reply #2576 on: August 21, 2021, 06:39:31 PM »
Well that was a fine aircraft too!

Is that pic from the time when Ford was doing some one-off WWII-themed Mustangs?

I think that the airplane is painted up like Chuck Yeager's P-51 or at least one in his squadron.  That "B6" squadron code looks familiar.
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« Reply #2577 on: August 21, 2021, 08:37:23 PM »
Is that pic from the time when Ford was doing some one-off WWII-themed Mustangs?

I think that the airplane is painted up like Chuck Yeager's P-51 or at least one in his squadron.  That "B6" squadron code looks familiar.
There are a couple of picture series along those lines out there on the intertoobz, with various "new" Mustangs painted in WWII themed colors and patterns.  I'm not sure if that was a Ford thing, or an aftermarket thing.

Since you actually own one from this vintage (plus or minus :) ) I'll definitely defer to you on that subject.  I just found the pics on Google search and thought they were interesting.

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« Reply #2578 on: August 21, 2021, 10:01:55 PM »
Yeah, I think it was an aftermarket thing.  I think that I remember that they were to be raffled off or auctioned off for charity.

My Ford Mustang is a half-generation newer than that one.  That's a 2005-09 car.  There was a refresh for 2010 that carried through 2014.  An all-new chassis, with IRS, was introduced in 2015 as the 6th generation.  Mine is a 2012.
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« Reply #2579 on: August 22, 2021, 09:58:27 AM »
I really like the new body, from 2015-on.  It's pretty.  But it also looks more European, the lines are sort of Aston Martin-like, which makes for a beautiful car, but it's definitely moved away from the more raw throwback look from 2005-2014, which is why I loved those cars so much when they came out.  I'd love to have some version of your 2012.  

I do think Aston Martin is making the most beautiful cars on the planet right now, and that's quite an admission from a Ferrari fan like myself. :)

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« Reply #2580 on: August 22, 2021, 11:35:58 AM »
Yeah, the current one is pretty, and I love that it has IRS.  But you have to squint a bit to see the Mustang in it.

I don't want to get going on the Mustang Mach E.  :96:
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« Reply #2581 on: August 22, 2021, 11:37:49 AM »
saw the first C8 Vette yesterday live.  Only for a bit over a block.

opened my window and could barely hear it.

looked good to me, even in blue
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« Reply #2582 on: August 22, 2021, 11:41:00 AM »
Yeah, the current one is pretty, and I love that it has IRS.  But you have to squint a bit to see the Mustang in it.

I don't want to get going on the Mustang Mach E.  :96:
I don't consider it a Mustang so it doesn't bother me.  Not unlike the Mustang II. 

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« Reply #2583 on: August 22, 2021, 01:33:28 PM »
The Mustang II is an odd case.

If you are going to consider that the Mustang has been in continuous production since 1964, as Ford claims it has, you have to count the Mustang II as a Mustang.

Mustang IIs don't bother me too much.  I never wanted one and never would want one.  But I could say the same for the bloated '71-73 Mustangs.
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« Reply #2584 on: August 22, 2021, 03:04:10 PM »
The Mustang II is an odd case.

If you are going to consider that the Mustang has been in continuous production since 1964, as Ford claims it has, you have to count the Mustang II as a Mustang.

Mustang IIs don't bother me too much.  I never wanted one and never would want one.  But I could say the same for the bloated '71-73 Mustangs.
Ford can claim whatever it likes.  But you see, I don't have to consider that at all. :)

Back when I was hanging out a little with the car club people, the vintage Mustang club wouldn't allow in the Mustang II.  Not that many Mustang II owners were really trying to join.

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« Reply #2585 on: August 22, 2021, 05:12:20 PM »
The wife likes the new Mustang (convertible 5.0).

It's more liveable I think than the Camaro by a long shot.

I saw a dark blue C8 Vette today also, it was ahead of me, and I turned off into our place so didn't pass it.

They are pretty rare.

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« Reply #2586 on: August 22, 2021, 05:16:14 PM »
The F4U incorporated the largest engine available at the time, the 2,000 hp (1,500 kW) 18-cylinder Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp radial. To extract as much power as possible, a relatively large Hamilton Standard Hydromatic three-blade propeller of 13 feet 4 inches (4.06 m) was used.

The performance of the Corsair was superior to most of its contemporaries. The F4U-1 was considerably faster than the Grumman F6F Hellcat and only 13 mph (21 km/h) slower than the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt.[36][37][38] All three were powered by the R-2800. But whereas the P-47 achieved its highest speed at 30,020 feet (9,150 m) with the help of an intercooled turbocharger,[39] the F4U-1 reached its maximum speed at 19,900 ft (6,100 m)[40] using a mechanically supercharged engine.[41]


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« Reply #2587 on: August 22, 2021, 05:18:31 PM »
We used mostly the F4U and F6F in the Pacific, and the P-38, as fighters.  There were some P51s, I don't know if any P47s were in that theater.

The former two were carrier capable, but it was the British who figured out how to land the F4u on a carrier.

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« Reply #2588 on: August 22, 2021, 06:53:24 PM »
We used mostly the F4U and F6F in the Pacific, and the P-38, as fighters.  There were some P51s, I don't know if any P47s were in that theater.

The former two were carrier capable, but it was the British who figured out how to land the F4u on a carrier.
We used long-ranged P-47Ns (with larger wings holding more fuel).  Neal Keerby was a P-47 ace in the Pacific.
P-38s were more effective in the Pacific than in Europe because there was far less fighting at high altitude in the Pacific Theater.  The P-38 didn't have a good cockpit heater and there were some other problems with high altitude and cold weather.
The P-38 never got the development that the P-47 and P-51 did.  It never got propellers that could absorb all the power its engines were capable of producing, for example.  Also, it was designed just before NACA released a lot of research on streamlining that influenced the P-47 and P-51 designs.
So, although it was quite fast, it wasn't as fast as it could/should have been.
It was designed before the effects of compressibility as Mach 1 was approached were understood.  Consequently, it got into trouble in high-speed dives.  Again, much of this wasn't a factor in the lower altitudes where fighting took place in the Pacific.
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« Reply #2589 on: August 23, 2021, 08:22:02 AM »
The twin engines in the P38 were viewed as an asset in the Pacific also.  That Wasp twin radial was a massive engine.  

I am now curious why the F4U had a supercharger while the P47 got a turbocharger, perhaps the less prevalent high altitude combat was a factor.

My Dad told me that the night they went down, they taxiid out on their usual plane and had a "runaway supercharger" during run up, and had to return to get another plane.  That second plane was listed as having gone down due to mechanical malfunction shortly after takeoff, but my Dad said he knew he had rolled down the radar dome before they went in and that meant they were at cruise altitude.  The official report and his account don't square, which is not a shock.  The were in the ocean for several hours.

He said the only way he could have gotten out was that the radar dome hit water first and broke the fuselage open and he floated free, his normal egress was convoluted.  The copilot went through the wind screen and the flight engineer went right after him and was relatively unhurt.  I met the copilot once, his forehead was sloped back at a weird angle from the crash.  The engineer was a man from NY named Lamica about whom my dad thought the world, and later he went missing on a flight to NZ for R&R.

I got in contact with his nephew, a Navy LtCmdr, in 2005, somehow, the family had no word on how Lamica was killed.  Maybe his mom did but she never talked about it.

I was chatting with him when I got my own "news" and lost track after that.

 

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