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« Reply #2408 on: August 10, 2021, 03:27:03 PM »
"1981 Dodge Omni shitbox"

Lol.  The year, make, and model are different, but it's that last part that my first car really identifies with. 

I was blessed to have a car that I didn't have to pay for.  

Even if it did fail to start pretty frequently, and looked like this:




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« Reply #2409 on: August 10, 2021, 03:35:10 PM »
I hear you.  I was blessed that I didn't have to pay for my first two cars, although there is a bit of a caveat to that.  I only had the first one a year, it was a rolling death trap, and it was unwise to take it on the highway.  My dad got tired of me asking to borrow a parental vehicle when I wanted to go out of town, so he ditched the clunker and got me a new one.  A '97 Ford Escort, it had zero coolness or manliness to it, but I drove the hell out of it for 9 years.  It lasted me the rest of high school, through college and beyond, and didn't give up the ghost until it left me stranded on 183 in Austin one day. 

The hilarious thing was it was a stick, and I didn't know how to drive a stick at the time.  You need a lot of self-confidence when you live in a small redneck town where everyone has trucks, you have an Escort, and for several weeks you might stall out at any given stop sign.  

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« Reply #2410 on: August 10, 2021, 03:52:34 PM »
I never really warmed up to the early Mustangs.  I had a couple and I had several friends who had them.  I preferred the Falcon which was pretty much the same except the sheet metal.  I had a '65 futura like this:

It had the 289 2bbl and automatic.  I bought it when it was 10 years old and it had 16,000 miles on it.  The old guy I bought it from said it had never been out of the city limits.  After I bought it, I took it out on the highway and it promptly blew a head gasket. Since I had to take the heads off, I scrounged the intake, carb, and distributor off a wrecked Boss 302 and added headers.  Biggest problem was there was no way to get a decent tire on the back without cutting into the body and narrowing the rear end.  I didn't do that so there was never enough traction. 

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« Reply #2411 on: August 10, 2021, 04:03:48 PM »
The tire patch, the area in contact with the ground, it basically a constant (at constant pressure).  If you add wider tires, the shape changes, but not the area.  You get better traction in show with narrower tires.

Slicks give the best traction on dry pavement of course, and they can deform enough to increase surface area.

And oddly enough, cars with the minispare handle about as well as cars with four regular tires.


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« Reply #2412 on: August 10, 2021, 05:01:35 PM »
If you add wider tires, the shape changes, but not the area. 



I agree with all but this.  Given the same diameter and deformation, patch size increases with tire width

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« Reply #2413 on: August 10, 2021, 05:17:56 PM »
The car mags did a neat study on wheel diameter impact on car performance.  As the wheel gets larger, acceleration drops, and handling does not improve.  They tested a BMW 330i with 17" to 21" wheels.  The 18" was about the best overall compromise.  Wheels weigh more than tires.

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« Reply #2414 on: August 10, 2021, 05:20:24 PM »
agree with a taller wheel/tire, but not a wider tire
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« Reply #2415 on: August 10, 2021, 05:49:16 PM »
I suppose theoretically you could start doing a "wider with lower inflation pressure" type thing to create a larger contact patch for a given weight. Doing things like varying the sidewall and tread material could also increase flexion and the coefficient of static friction (somebody had to say it).

These seem like things people who know the tires will be replaced after 1/4 mile of usage might do. For the rest of us, minimizing wheel weight is probably the best option.

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« Reply #2416 on: August 10, 2021, 07:40:42 PM »
I loved Le Mans, with Steve McQueen.
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« Reply #2417 on: August 10, 2021, 07:53:28 PM »
I should know by now not to disagree with Cincy.  After researching, the contact patch stays mostly the same but changes to shorter and wider as the tires get wider.  
What I do know is the stock 6.95x14 tires would burn through 1st and part of 2nd gear.  There wasn't a lot of wheel selection since the brake drums were drilled for a 4 bolt pattern.  Some guys redrilled the drums or swapped out for Mustang 5 bolt drums but there still wasn't much reward for all the work.

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« Reply #2418 on: August 10, 2021, 08:05:32 PM »
If narrow vs. wide doesn't matter, why do racers use wide wheel-tire combinations?
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« Reply #2419 on: August 10, 2021, 08:41:04 PM »
it matters a little
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« Reply #2420 on: August 10, 2021, 08:45:11 PM »
I loved Le Mans, with Steve McQueen.
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« Reply #2421 on: August 10, 2021, 09:09:40 PM »
I liked Bullitt
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