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« Reply #2310 on: July 24, 2021, 12:29:47 PM »
I will say that this was always the ONLY move I thought Texas and OU would ever make, if they made any move at all, and I always believed they'd do it together.

Moving west to the PAC never made any sense, their TV deals are even worse than the B12, the game start times make it difficult to capture audiences east of the Rockies, and the travel just gets too far-flung, especially for the olympic sports.  Same thing for the ACC, aside from Clemson, the B12 is a  better conference as far as football competition, and the B12 is better for money, so making that move never made any sense either.

The only potentially viable conference moves for Texas, were always the B1G or the SEC.  And it always sounded like the B1G was pushing back on OU, and since I thought both schools would move together, then the SEC was the only realistic option.

But also, I always thought that Texas would simply follow the path of least resistance and stay in the B12.  So I actually think OU might have forced Texas' hand a little bit on this.

Years from now it'll be interesting to read the articles about how it all went down behind the scenes.

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« Reply #2311 on: July 24, 2021, 12:45:36 PM »
I agree with you about the done deal and the SEC being the most viable place for OU/UT.  The ACC's new 20 year deal and the ACCN put them way above the B12 in money, maybe not above Texas.  This was one of OU's big concerns, that ESPN/Fox weren't interested in negotiating an extension to the Big 12 contract while the other conferences (except PAC) were getting new deals.  

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« Reply #2312 on: July 24, 2021, 12:50:13 PM »
From some of the reports I've read, it sounds like a Texas Regent started the ball rolling.  That's not to say there wasn't someone from OU nudging their Texas counterpart before that.  I'd like to see how all the back channel negotiations worked.  I would watch that movie.

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« Reply #2313 on: July 24, 2021, 12:51:04 PM »
B12 contracts negotiations were eventually coming up and would have put them back well ahead of the ACC.  Truth is, nobody wants to watch the ACC play football.  Other than Clemson, they're really bad at it.

But no new B12 contract ever would have competed with SEC or B1G money.  And if that is the goal, then the only way to get there, is to join one of those two conferences.

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« Reply #2314 on: July 24, 2021, 12:54:49 PM »
From some of the reports I've read, it sounds like a Texas Regent started the ball rolling.  That's not to say there wasn't someone from OU nudging their Texas counterpart before that.  I'd like to see how all the back channel negotiations worked.  I would watch that movie.
Yeah, I've maintained since 2010 that OU actually had the power in the relationship, because if OU left the B12, Texas would need to move, too.  Texas was fine to sit pat for the past decade, and OU seemed to be constantly exploring other options (and I don't blame them, they're a major brand in football and should be compensated along with the Alabamas and Ohio States).

So as long as Texas was content, but OU wasn't, then OU had the power to pull Texas away.  I think Texas and OU  need each other, now more than ever.  We still have one of the premier rivalries in the country and we absolutely must preserve if.  And these days, OOC rivalries are more difficult to maintain, for a lot of reasons, which is why I've always believed OU and Texas MUST stay together, no matter where they end up.

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« Reply #2315 on: July 24, 2021, 01:01:34 PM »
There's zero chance that the Texas/OU and the SEC would let it get this far, if they didn't have everything lined up and ready to go.

Way too many actual insiders now, coming forth with reports that it'll be a done deal next week.

I'm surprised, I didn't think this would happen, especially not with a 12-team playoff that makes it even easier for B12 teams to get into it.  But, money talks.
Who are the insiders?  Please don’t say Chip Brown.  Or ESPN. 

none of us here know how far things have really come. Too many things left to shake out. 

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« Reply #2316 on: July 24, 2021, 01:04:29 PM »
Who are the insiders?  Please don’t say Chip Brown.  Or ESPN.

none of us here know how far things have really come. Too many things left to shake out.

Yes, I can see how you have to view it that way. *shrug*

Personally I'm fine if it doesn't happen.

The timing doesn't make much sense to me, with the expansion of the playoff that makes it even easier for OU to get in every year, and potentially for Texas too, if we ever stop shitting the bed in football. 

I guess annual revenue is more important than playoff access.  

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« Reply #2317 on: July 24, 2021, 01:38:20 PM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Regarding the above about the timing being odd since the 12-team playoff expansion appears inevitable, is what makes me believe that OU was the force behind the move.  Texas knows we need OU so we don't have much choice but to play along.

Overall I'm fine either way.  I like playing traditional in-state rivals like Tech and TCU.  But I'd also love to get old rivals Arkansas and Texas A&M back on the schedule for annual games.

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« Reply #2318 on: July 24, 2021, 02:44:39 PM »
There is still the matter of the vote. For obvious reasons I’m assuming A&M would have to be left in the dark during much of the discussions. No sense in letting the cat out of the bag unless you have the 11 yes votes. Either that or we knew awhile back but chose to disclose the move ahead of schedule for strategic reasons.

One more thing. Our old Prez, Loftin acts like he had a lot to do with our move. He’s a goofy sucker, an academic type. It’s long been whispered that he was just along for the ride but for some reason he craves the spot light and takes much of the credit. I’m not trying to discredit the man but don’t you find it curious that not long after we made the move East ( and he made a lot of publicity about his role ) we sent him packing?  Now he’s acting like some kind of insider, talking about gentleman’s agreements and all types of nonsense. He hasn’t been our president for close to a decade, so I’m not sure he’s really in the know.


bowtie’s a megadouche - we both sent him packing idk where he is now 

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« Reply #2319 on: July 24, 2021, 02:49:10 PM »
He's not still at Mizzou?  Interesting.  Isn't he the one that coined the "100 year decision" verbiage?


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« Reply #2320 on: July 24, 2021, 02:57:56 PM »
Who are the insiders?  Please don’t say Chip Brown.  Or ESPN.

none of us here know how far things have really come. Too many things left to shake out.
sec is run well no chance all the school prez’ didn’t know many months before this week.  aTm is in an impossible position they just have to take it….maybe negotiate some particulars like scheduling.  i don’t even think you have to think about it, other than the aggies this move is received with glee at the other 13 schools it’s a no brainer for anyone not looking at it personally.

i hope it doesn’t happen bc i like the big 12 it’s a fun league it just isn’t as deep as it used to be - more than a mizzou fan i love the sport and i don’t think it’s good for it overall or for the fans.

anything can happen bc nothings official yet but more than the stories the behavior from the schools and the right people reporting on it lead me to believe the hays in the barn.

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« Reply #2321 on: July 24, 2021, 03:01:04 PM »
He's not still at Mizzou?  Interesting.  Isn't he the one that coined the "100 year decision" verbiage?


ya that’s him.  he wore out his welcome pretty fast iirc

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« Reply #2322 on: July 24, 2021, 03:16:31 PM »
ya that’s him.  he wore out his welcome pretty fast iirc
I always thought he was pretty goofy, but he certainly knew how to play to his fan base at A&M while calling out evil t.u. as The Great Satan.  


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« Reply #2323 on: July 24, 2021, 03:31:31 PM »
i think he got run out during those protests so it was like 5-6 yrs ago but it'd be a mistake to blame it on that - in this instance that was the opportunity used.

friends that worked for the univ at that time were chirping about him shortly after he arrived.  great for a soundbite, atrocious interpersonal skills.

 

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