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« Reply #2282 on: July 21, 2021, 05:41:34 PM »
I wish it were not the case, but it was always set to end. The Big 12 is a league full of fascinating football, but no TV sets. It can't grow, but it could easily die.

Even if this news were true, and it probably is, the SEC will need to have further conversations. I don't think an ultra-bloated league is practical. With NIL and the NCAA abdicating, more radical models are possible.

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« Reply #2283 on: July 21, 2021, 07:54:26 PM »
seemingly inevitable once you consider a 12 team playoff.  sec will get 3-4 teams into it most years as currently comprised.

makes sense for them to move given that format & the financial considerations.

but as with all things we've learned anything is possible & believe it when you see it.  we get lied to all the time as y'all know.

big 12 will get parted out thereafter.  most will be ok but probably not all.

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« Reply #2284 on: July 21, 2021, 10:38:34 PM »
I wish it were not the case, but it was always set to end. The Big 12 is a league full of fascinating football, but no TV sets. It can't grow, but it could easily die.

Even if this news were true, and it probably is, the SEC will need to have further conversations. I don't think an ultra-bloated league is practical. With NIL and the NCAA abdicating, more radical models are possible.
But is it really full of fascinating football?  Because honestly I think the answer is no and has been for awhile. OU is pretty good and not really much else. Texas has been mostly down since Mack left. Kansas is a perpetual mess. Tech is so much less interesting since they ran off the pirate. I honestly don’t even know who their coach is now. Baylor?  TCU?  WV?  Yawn. 

Bloated is right. Remember when thE WAC was 16 teams?  

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« Reply #2285 on: July 22, 2021, 09:17:59 AM »
fascinating football?

I'd guess this comes as the next TV contract is looming

not enough big games (fascinating content) to draw big $$$

heck even Sooners/Huskers non-con get an 11am kick.

when your big games include Iowa State in the coming season, that can't be good

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« Reply #2286 on: July 22, 2021, 10:13:37 AM »
I didn't say "National Championship Football" - I said "fascinating".

I'm obviously hoping Texas gets its competitive act together, but that's a different post. While Texas has been floundering, Iowa State made itself competitive. TCU can't seem to do anything but win against the big boys, and then lose to Baylor when it matters. OU is marching to the playoffs when KSU kicks the chair out from under them. Tech, well, Tech mocks you when they beat you and shrugs when they don't.

For the joy of the sport, I wish the Big 12 could stay together. Heck, I wish we could bring back TAMU, Arky, and certainly Nebraska. Ain't gonna happen, but it would be fun.

The Big 12 is a remnant of two conferences full of teams with nowhere else to go (doesn't mean they're bad or non-competitive) and Texas. Texas is the big anchor store at the mall. Texas will always be profitable and in demand. They can keep the property going, but not if all the other shops have "for lease" or "going out of business" signs.

If college football were just about playing ball, the Big 12 has a lot to recommend it. That's not reality though. Reality is that the Big 12 has no pathway to getting bigger, and infinite pathways to collapsing. I still hope it doesn't, but I know that any one of the 10 schools leaving will kill it. Any AD understands that he should keep his Rolodex handy.

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« Reply #2287 on: July 22, 2021, 12:26:01 PM »
doesn't have to be national championship football, just has to earn TV ratings

my brother driving north to visit me in Iowa this morning said the Oklahoma City sports radio guys think the Sooners started this, partially because they couldn't get a better kickoff time for the Husker game this fall.
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« Reply #2288 on: July 22, 2021, 01:28:50 PM »
oklahoma didn't start anything
it was doomed from the beginning b/c the schools were never collectively about the good of the league as business partners.

whether they should have been is a matter of opinion.  if you wish cfb was still as comprised in 2009 (or 1994 or 1989 or etc) then the answer is yes.

as the years have passed & i've reflected on this blaming one school an infighting is intuitive but missing the mark.  we should collectively blame the people in power who look out for only themselves & care nothing for us.

16 team sec is better than 14.  play rr with the other 7 in your div, a couple from the other div rotating & then a mega ccg.  two mini leagues in the mega.

God help the rest of the nation if the sec adds two more blue bloods good grief.  doesn't matter to me we're never winning it either way.  eventually i figure they'll drive me away ruining the sport with this crap & nil & etc & i'll just watch golf & yell at gen z'ers to get off my lawn.

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« Reply #2289 on: July 22, 2021, 01:45:22 PM »
Remember that the NCAA is also gut-shot. The NIL is a visible example, but in reality the SCOTUS has told the NCAA that they can't really enforce compensation or amateurism rules. While other sports might be able to survive that idea, history tells us college football bears too much pressure from financial and competitive sources. Someone is going to get creative, but this time it won't be against the rules.

That is to say, I don't actually believe the SEC will survive having this many teams. Logically, the football power centers (not necessarily the ones with the best competitive records) should organize, develop an independent set of rules under which they collectively feel they can compete equitably, and begin business outside the NCAA as pertaining to football.

Armageddon talk was speculative before. Without the NCAA, not only is there no reason not to, it becomes the most prudent course.

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« Reply #2290 on: July 22, 2021, 01:56:39 PM »
College athletics needs something akin to the NCAA.  If not that specifically, they would start something else.

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« Reply #2291 on: July 22, 2021, 02:04:04 PM »
All kinds of talk out there.  After the PAC16 fiasco, I'll believe it when I see it.  Back then I was all for jumping to the PAC12/16 and now I'm glad I didn't get what I wished for.  OU has been pissed at FOX for a long time over the 11:00 am kickoffs and it really escalated when Bowlsby wouldn't back them for the NU game.  I don't know if that was a major factor or not.
I found it amusing that Boren said OU and OSU were a package deal last time they considered the SEC but now OU says that was never the case.  OSU is already threatening to go to the state legislature to keep them a package deal.  
As always, tv will decide what, if anything will happen with realignment.  If any changes or made, I wouldn't expect them to take effect until after the GOR expires so I dislike all the talk flaring up now to distract from the upcoming season.

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« Reply #2292 on: July 22, 2021, 02:21:51 PM »
Boren is an effective leader. Effective leaders don't make big decisions on momentary passion, no matter how intense. The chafing at an 11am kickoff is understandable, but no reason to blow up a league.

The Big 12 works with 10, but not with less. Back when TAMU, NU, and Mizzou left, the rest of the league had to agree that they were all staying. If even one more member said no, the league was over. It's existed the same way ever since. No path to growth, always one step away from collapse.

If today's 5:00 meeting concludes with Texas and OU agreeing that they're staying (likely phrased as "this was all rumor and never true"), then the league is no more stable than they were last week or last year.

This only ever ends one way.

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« Reply #2293 on: July 22, 2021, 02:23:36 PM »
At times, complaints are made, and threats, to get action someone wants.

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« Reply #2294 on: July 22, 2021, 02:34:44 PM »
hopefully the Big 12 remains a solid conference

but, money will decide this in the end
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« Reply #2295 on: July 22, 2021, 02:42:57 PM »
My mids would try threatening me at times to get their way.  They didn't try it much after the first couple efforts.


 

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