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Topic: The Porch, y'all. pull up a seat and kick back.

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« Reply #2030 on: July 31, 2020, 04:21:44 PM »
folks driving slow in the left lane bothers me more than any song lyrics I can think of

but, different things bother different people.

I'd much more like to clean up the left lane than topple statues.

some folks would find it silly of me to feel this way, but that doesn't change how I feel about it.

some folks are bothered quite a bit my the horns down sign - I feel that's silly

I feel if a large enough group feels strongly enough to put together enough effort to change things, it should be closely looked into and possibly changed.

if it's merely a few folks that are simply doing every little thing they can to stick it to others for the sake of selfishness and hatred, then they need to be educated.

knocking down a few statues and changing a few songs won't effectively change things for a future generation IMO.  But, that's my opinion, I could be wrong
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« Reply #2031 on: July 31, 2020, 04:39:55 PM »
If I felt that this is a movement that rose up from the students themselves I would feel differently

This movement was shoved down their throats from outside forces and it pisses me off

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« Reply #2032 on: July 31, 2020, 09:57:44 PM »
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This movement was shoved down their throats from outside forces and it pisses me off


if this is the case, I'm fully against telling the students and the outside forces to pound sand
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« Reply #2033 on: August 03, 2020, 10:04:27 AM »
I don't mean for this to turn hostile of accusatory. It sounds like, though, you're suggesting that Black students didn't know or feel like they were marginalized until some nefarious outside presence convinced them they were.

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« Reply #2034 on: August 03, 2020, 11:02:12 AM »
I don't mean for this to turn hostile of accusatory. It sounds like, though, you're suggesting that Black students didn't know or feel like they were marginalized until some nefarious outside presence convinced them they were.
thats exactly what Im saying

the timing of this strongly supports this view

why in hell would all of a sudden they start feeling marginalized unless someone stirred them up

to suggest that Black students felt marginalized from singing the Eyes of Texas is just not realistic

there were no previous complaints coming from the student council or articles from the student newspaper

now all of a sudden out of the blue all Black students realize they are marginalized

this is a movement not started at UT

again I would feel differently if there had been a campaign of issues brought up in the past by Black students at UT but there has not been

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« Reply #2035 on: August 03, 2020, 11:08:02 AM »
"nefarious outside presence"

Hopefully this is not the case, but if it is an outside group with an agenda of spreading hate and stirring up trouble just to strip up trouble, then this is a problem

I'm all for making people aware of things, promoting knowledge and not ignorance, but hopefully it is for a common good
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« Reply #2036 on: August 03, 2020, 11:44:13 AM »
Respectfully, Black people have always been aware that they're marginalized. At best, they're interacting with a system set up by and for the benefit of males with white skin. They can hope that this system only sees them as "other" and does its best.

At worst, that system openly attacks them, rejects them as people, metes out punishment when a verbal acknowledgement would have been afforded the white man, or puts their lives at risk.

The system operates transparently for me because it was designed for me. It recognizes me as "normal" and proceeds accordingly. It's very easy, then, for me to consider the system as "normal" and wonder why someone not like me can't simply accept the system as it is.

Black football players are using their position as popular, accepted individuals to give a voice to the notion that the system can be changed by adding Black perspectives. By doing so, we could, therefore, grow the system. The system gets stronger and more diverse.

I'm glad we were able to, for the moment, reach an accord on "The Eyes". There is no call for blind acceptance of any one side of these issues. However, the danger is that those inside the system reject outright the existence of the issues themselves and refuse the debate.

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« Reply #2037 on: August 03, 2020, 11:58:34 AM »
Respectfully, Black people have always been aware that they're marginalized. At best, they're interacting with a system set up by and for the benefit of males with white skin. They can hope that this system only sees them as "other" and does its best.

At worst, that system openly attacks them, rejects them as people, metes out punishment when a verbal acknowledgement would have been afforded the white man, or puts their lives at risk.

The system operates transparently for me because it was designed for me. It recognizes me as "normal" and proceeds accordingly. It's very easy, then, for me to consider the system as "normal" and wonder why someone not like me can't simply accept the system as it is.

Black football players are using their position as popular, accepted individuals to give a voice to the notion that the system can be changed by adding Black perspectives. By doing so, we could, therefore, grow the system. The system gets stronger and more diverse.

I'm glad we were able to, for the moment, reach an accord on "The Eyes". There is no call for blind acceptance of any one side of these issues. However, the danger is that those inside the system reject outright the existence of the issues themselves and refuse the debate.
well I guess we just disagree on the marginalized issue 

and tell me just what did renaming the stadium do to solve this problem
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« Reply #2038 on: August 03, 2020, 12:17:49 PM »
thats exactly what Im saying

the timing of this strongly supports this view

why in hell would all of a sudden they start feeling marginalized unless someone stirred them up

to suggest that Black students felt marginalized from singing the Eyes of Texas is just not realistic

there were no previous complaints coming from the student council or articles from the student newspaper

now all of a sudden out of the blue all Black students realize they are marginalized

this is a movement not started at UT

again I would feel differently if there had been a campaign of issues brought up in the past by Black students at UT but there has not been




Do you personally know that this was never 'brought up' before by black students?  Do you know all the black students who have ever walked across the campus in Austin?     Or is it possible it was 'brought up' once or many times and disregarded by those in power to change anything?   

I only ask because it's recently proven that MANY CASES of rape/assault/harassment are brought up in the military system and not once acted on, recorded for legal purposes, or resulted in any tangible action when female soldiers in the past have spoken out internally in their own military units.   Many would say that assault/harrassment isn't a problem because it isn't being 'brought up', but clearly there is a MAJOR problem when many female soldiers are speaking out against their own issues being disregarded/swept away after fellow soldier Guillen in Fort Hood has been senselessly murdered (and proven that she spoke up before her passing). 


I think we could all benefit a bit from listening to others' concerns, whether we feel they are 'valid' or not, and we can admit some of us are benefiting from the way things are and have been, while many others are being silenced or shunned when trying to speak out about injustices (whether it be as simple as an offensive fight song or as harmful as physical harassment). 


 

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« Reply #2039 on: August 03, 2020, 12:40:05 PM »

Do you personally know that this was never 'brought up' before by black students?  Do you know all the black students who have ever walked across the campus in Austin?    Or is it possible it was 'brought up' once or many times and disregarded by those in power to change anything? 

I only ask because it's recently proven that MANY CASES of rape/assault/harassment are brought up in the military system and not once acted on, recorded for legal purposes, or resulted in any tangible action when female soldiers in the past have spoken out internally in their own military units.  Many would say that assault/harrassment isn't a problem because it isn't being 'brought up', but clearly there is a MAJOR problem when many female soldiers are speaking out against their own issues being disregarded/swept away after fellow soldier Guillen in Fort Hood has been senselessly murdered (and proven that she spoke up before her passing).


I think we could all benefit a bit from listening to others' concerns, whether we feel they are 'valid' or not, and we can admit some of us are benefiting from the way things are and have been, while many others are being silenced or shunned when trying to speak out about injustices (whether it be as simple as an offensive fight song or as harmful as physical harassment).


 
again there has not been any published record of these complaints having been made before

and to compare this to someone being raped is ridiculous

Its the timing of this that says a lot

Black student are members of various clubs and groups at UT

They are members of Frats and Sororities the student council and many other groups

they also hold various jobs on campus such as libraries etc

They are not being marginalized 

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« Reply #2040 on: August 03, 2020, 12:45:56 PM »
does this look like marginalization

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« Reply #2041 on: August 03, 2020, 01:10:59 PM »
Then I guess you consider yourself qualified to speak for ALL black students, past or present. 
Cool, cool. 

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« Reply #2042 on: August 03, 2020, 01:19:09 PM »
Then I guess you consider yourself qualified to speak for ALL black students, past or present.
Cool, cool.

no more then you are

but someone has to push back a little against the absurd

has there never been a case at UT of discrimination sure there has but its not accepted behavior at UT

you can tear down statues all day long you can change building names if you like you can name our stadium after heisman trophy winners

but stay the hell away from our song
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« Reply #2043 on: August 10, 2020, 06:10:10 PM »
are not there twisters down yonder ways?
don't they account for sumpthin like 93% of all porch disappearances?

do you not rebuild them?

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welcome to the porch, y'all!!!!

For some reason, this seemed like a perfect quote from page 1, to reboot this ailing thread. :)


 

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