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« Reply #2002 on: July 27, 2020, 09:12:29 PM »
I changed some things in late Febr/early March

it's been good
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« Reply #2003 on: July 28, 2020, 10:01:38 AM »
The stock market is decoupled from the actual economy. Algorithmic trading basically ensures the number waft higher when there's absolutely no reason to do so. Unique shocks may cause radical swings over a couple of weeks, but the line will continue to trend upwards even when there's zero real reason to do so.
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« Reply #2004 on: July 28, 2020, 10:44:27 AM »
Quote from: Mr Tulip on July 28, 2020, 10:01:38 AM
The stock market is decoupled from the actual economy. Algorithmic trading basically ensures the number waft higher when there's absolutely no reason to do so. Unique shocks may cause radical swings over a couple of weeks, but the line will continue to trend upwards even when there's zero real reason to do so.
dont agree with your assessment 

home entertainment stocks are up and so is electronic communication

restaurant and airline stocks are down

the market reflects the fact that one industry's loss is another industriy's gain

amazon, medical supplies and equipment, home delivery services are booming
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« Reply #2005 on: July 28, 2020, 11:33:50 AM »
Most people don't invest in Amazon or Netflix or Bank of America. They invest in basket products that contain algorithmically curated mixtures of all those things. They're designed so that the losses are always slightly less than the gains. Money never goes away. It just moves from one ticker symbol to another.

If the money ever does go away, the Fed pumps more in. Risk gets undervalued, pickers get more aggressive, and the whole thing keeps bubbling upwards.

Now, if the $600 unemployment checks are suddenly removed for any length of time, we could see another "AIG" type event where all the ghost debt stashed around makes an ugly appearance.
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« Reply #2006 on: July 28, 2020, 11:43:50 AM »
Quote from: Mr Tulip on July 28, 2020, 11:33:50 AM
Most people don't invest in Amazon or Netflix or Bank of America. They invest in basket products that contain algorithmically curated mixtures of all those things. They're designed so that the losses are always slightly less than the gains. Money never goes away. It just moves from one ticker symbol to another.

If the money ever does go away, the Fed pumps more in. Risk gets undervalued, pickers get more aggressive, and the whole thing keeps bubbling upwards.

Now, if the $600 unemployment checks are suddenly removed for any length of time, we could see another "AIG" type event where all the ghost debt stashed around makes an ugly appearance.
my point exactly

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« Reply #2007 on: July 28, 2020, 01:39:48 PM »
The stock market won't stay "decoupled" for very long.  If the economy sinks over time, so will stocks.  

Stocks try to be forward looking obviously.  And right now, you can't get any interest on bonds etc. so folks look at dividend bearing stocks among other things.

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« Reply #2008 on: July 28, 2020, 02:28:38 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 28, 2020, 01:39:48 PM
The stock market won't stay "decoupled" for very long.  If the economy sinks over time, so will stocks. 

Stocks try to be forward looking obviously.  And right now, you can't get any interest on bonds etc. so folks look at dividend bearing stocks among other things.


stocks market is not decoupled 

thats like saying a football team winning with a wishbone offense is decoupled

not decoupled just using the available assets in the best way

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« Reply #2009 on: July 28, 2020, 02:53:01 PM »
with the amount of money pumped into the stock market weekly with paychecks feeding 401Ks and 529's and all the others, how is it going to tank for very long?

sure, a few investors pulled back in Feb/Mar, but then the money just kept coming.........

a very small percentage of average folks may have switched to gold or silver or something out of the market, but not many and not for long
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« Reply #2010 on: July 29, 2020, 03:34:11 PM »
If the economy falls off again, the stock market will also fall.  Profits drive pricing, anticipation of profits.  A company will cut its dividend at some point if they start with negative cash flow.  Markets obviously can and do fall hard at times, they have always recovered in the past of course.  So has the economy.

Some of the "panics" of the 19th century were devastating, scary to read about.
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« Reply #2011 on: July 30, 2020, 09:27:56 AM »
When OU’s “Soonerthon” changed its name to OU Dance Marathon, it was met with backlash from members of the OU community.

On Twitter, one community member expressed her opinion on the matter saying that anyone offended by the phrase “boomer sooner” should transfer schools. After she received backlash from other students, she deleted the tweet.

Crispin South, a computer science junior and member of the Choctaw Nation, said that mindset stems from a lack of knowledge about the history of the terms “boomer” and “sooner.”

“(The) removal of Native people is where the terms ‘boomer’ and ‘sooner’ come from,” South said. “When those terms are referenced without acknowledging the proper historical context, that brings up the historical trauma that's present for a lot of Indigenous people.”

OU Dance Marathon, formerly Soonerthon, announced its new name July 16. In a Twitter post, the organization said the change represented a new chapter of creating “an inclusive and memorable environment.”


http://www.oudaily.com/news/ou-students-explain-implications-of-boomer-sooner-amid-campus-organizations-decisions-to-change-names/article_29c859e0-d0e4-11ea-8522-63672fd0af5e.html
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« Reply #2012 on: July 30, 2020, 09:49:07 AM »
are you kidding me

boomer sooner is now considered racist?

whats next?  Is the upside down horns sign also racist?

I always thought so

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« Reply #2013 on: July 30, 2020, 10:49:14 AM »
We've made fun of Sooners for being dirt burglars for decades, but I can honestly say I'd never given the terms "boomer" and "sooner" much thought from the perspective of the indigenous peoples.  Which, is pretty much their point.

As much as I can't stand the golderned Sooners and their annoying song, it would be weird for "Boomer Sooner" to leave our lexicon.

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« Reply #2014 on: July 30, 2020, 10:55:26 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 30, 2020, 10:49:14 AM
We've made fun of Sooners for being dirt burglars for decades, but I can honestly say I'd never given the terms "boomer" and "sooner" much thought from the perspective of the indigenous peoples.  Which, is pretty much their point.

As much as I can't stand the golderned Sooners and their annoying song, it would be weird for "Boomer Sooner" to leave our lexicon.


well all they have to do is name their stadium after a black heisman trophy winner preferably with Indian heritage and they are off the hook
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« Reply #2015 on: July 30, 2020, 11:08:50 AM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on July 30, 2020, 10:55:26 AM
well all they have to do is name their stadium after a black heisman trophy winner preferably with Indian heritage and they are off the hook
Well he's not black, but Sam Bradford Stadium might work.  I always liked that guy, too.
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