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« Reply #1932 on: June 20, 2020, 09:53:20 AM »
I used to enjoy some Henry Clay cigars
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« Reply #1933 on: June 20, 2020, 11:25:21 AM »
Henry Clay was known as "the Great Compromiser," and it was meant as a compliment.

It's funny, in an unpleasant way.  All but one the sectional conflicts of the antebellum era were over slavery.  The exception was the Nullification Crisis of 1832-33, and even that one was indirectly about slavery, because, as John C. Calhoun saw it, if the North was able to impose an unacceptable tariff on the South, the next thing you know, the North will be trying to ban slavery in the South.

The others were the Missouri Compromise (1820), the Wilmot Proviso (1846) the Compromise of 1850, the Ostend Manifesto (1854) the Kansas-Nebraska Act (1854), "Bleeding Kansas" (1856-61) the Dred Scott Decision (1857), and John Brown's Harpers Ferry Raid (1859).

Also, because of the slavery issue, Congress could not pass a homestead act or a pacific railroad act.

Considering all that, it is mind-boggling that for a century-plus after the Civil War, American schoolchildren (at least in some parts of the country) were taught that the Civil War was not about slavery.
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« Reply #1934 on: June 20, 2020, 11:51:46 AM »
It's a popular revisionist aspect of history for some, Area 15 gets riled up over any suggestion that slavery perhaps was a major cause of the CW.

Confirmation bias.

It puzzles me why anyone wishes to think that.  What good does it do, aside from being ridiculous?  

Well, a lot of stuff puzzles me some, but I don't expect solutions.

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« Reply #1935 on: June 20, 2020, 12:10:21 PM »
Nobody wants to think, "My people started a war that killed 750,000 Americans and it was all about preserving slavery."

I wonder if that is related to the widespread disbelief that the punk Lee Harvey Oswald could have acted alone to kill the most powerful man in the free world?
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« Reply #1936 on: June 20, 2020, 01:16:02 PM »
As I often note, humans are prone to forming a half backed conclusion on something and then cherry picking whatever they have to to support said opinion.

Incidentally, I am reading up on Culp's Hill currently.  I think I need to go back and spend more time on the terrain there.

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« Reply #1937 on: June 20, 2020, 01:22:32 PM »
Ive been to Culp's Hill


on the far right of the Federal line

If I remember correctly it was protected by Custer cav during the battle but I may be wrong

anyway it was very heavily wooded and so was a challenge to the attacking confederates to take
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« Reply #1938 on: June 20, 2020, 01:35:16 PM »

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« Reply #1939 on: June 20, 2020, 02:53:08 PM »
As I often note, humans are prone to forming a half backed conclusion on something and then cherry picking whatever they have to to support said opinion.

Incidentally, I am reading up on Culp's Hill currently.  I think I need to go back and spend more time on the terrain there.
Who's the author?  Harry Pfanz, by any chance?
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« Reply #1940 on: June 20, 2020, 03:03:52 PM »
Ive been to Culp's Hill


on the far right of the Federal line

If I remember correctly it was protected by Custer cav during the battle but I may be wrong

anyway it was very heavily wooded and so was a challenge to the attacking confederates to take
I don't know of Custer participating in the defense of Culp's Hill.
His noteworthy achievement at Gettysburg was on Day 3 fighting Stuart to standoff long enough for Stuart to abandon whatever it was he was behind the Union lines trying to do.  That took place at what is now called East Cavalry Field, ENE of Culp's Hill.


Hannover Road at the bottom of this map runs W by N to the center of Gettysburg.
Custer received a brevet promotion to major for this fight.
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« Reply #1941 on: June 20, 2020, 03:52:42 PM »
Culp's Hill was an infantry fight.  No cavalry in that terrain.  Some arty.

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« Reply #1942 on: June 20, 2020, 04:24:44 PM »
Culp's Hill was an infantry fight.  No cavalry in that terrain.  Some arty.
Yep.  Any cavalry would have had to be dismounted.  They would only have been put into that fight if they were the last troops Meade had to throw in.
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« Reply #1943 on: June 20, 2020, 05:13:49 PM »
Yep.  Any cavalry would have had to be dismounted.  They would only have been put into that fight if they were the last troops Meade had to throw in.
I thought he was attached to a group defending Culp's Hill and held in reserve until Stewart did his thing but you would know better then me
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« Reply #1944 on: June 20, 2020, 06:14:26 PM »
Not as far as I know, 320.

After Buford's cavalry division fought Confederate infantry on the morning of Day 1 (1 July), the Union cavalry didn't do much except to perform flank and rear security until Day 3, when Custer had his fight with elements of Stuart and Farnsworth had an unfortunate and fatal fight with Confederate infantry to the south of the main battlefield (at what is now called South Cavalry Field).  Farnsworth was stupidly ordered into near-certain death by his division commander, Judson "Kill Cavalry" Kilpatrick.
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« Reply #1945 on: June 20, 2020, 06:22:09 PM »
Who's the author?  Harry Pfanz, by any chance?
I'm reading on line stuff right now.  The accounts vary.

 

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