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CW wait till you see what will happens to our school's history books

no battle of bull run?

CW this is what Im talking about

https://www.foxnews.com/us/2-california-schools-washington-jefferson-getting-new-names-black-lives-matter-push

That's where the fight should be, IMO.  But people who have discredited themselves by rioting over statues of Confederates will have no credibility in that fight.
We've got to make distinctions between the defensible and the indefensible.

That's where the fight should be, IMO.  But people who have discredited themselves by rioting over statues of Confederates will have no credibility in that fight.
We've got to make distinctions between the defensible and the indefensible.

well right now no one is speaking up cause they are scared to death of BLM

companies are being run out of business and people are getting fired for speaking out against BLM

We've got to make distinctions between the defensible and the indefensible.

I only wish both sides would attempt to take this approach

History textbooks are de-emphasizing military history in general, not just Civil War battles.  That's not a good thing, IMO.

Traditionalists (like me) are losing in the culture wars.  But, again, protesting Confederate statues or other remnants of slavery, Jim Crow, etc. being removed is not the way to start winning those wars.

I didn't learn much at all history in school.  I later became interested in it, and was fascinated by what I had no clue about.  History classes in school were BORING and memorization of silly dates.

It's not so much what isn't taught as it is what is "taught" so poorly no one learned anything useful.

Why was the statue of Lawrence Sullivan Ross erected?  Would it have been erected had he not fought for the Confederacy?
People of future generations will have to make their own decisions.  They might decide that people who worked to expand and extend actions that in their (future generations') time seem evil are not worthy of having public monuments erected in their honor.

New information on historical figures is always being unearthed, and new perspectives on the past are always emerging.  We disparagingly call this "revisionist history" when we don't like the new perspectives, while we cheer it when we like what the new information reveals.  Historiography--the writing of history--always says more about the people at the time the history is being written than it does about the historical people whose lives are being written about.

Sul Ross was a former governor of Texas who was pretty popular it seems.  They wanted to re-elect him but apparently he had enough of the governorship and wanted to do something else so they appointed him as the President of A&M.  He came to A&M at a critical point in the college's history and turned things around for the better.  At the time certain forces in the state wanted to de-fund and close the college down but Sully made changes that pushed A&M forward.  Oh, btw, he also established Prairie View A&M which is a black college. 

 Honestly I never really knew who or what he really was or did for the college but I knew that he used to be a governor and college president and that there was a statue of him that people would put pennies on.  Like most prominent southern figures in the mid to late 1800's they've all got a little baggage whether it be fighting for the confederacy or dealing in slavery in one way or another.  

Sul Ross was a former governor of Texas who was pretty popular it seems.  They wanted to re-elect him but apparently he had enough of the governorship and wanted to do something else so they appointed him as the President of A&M.  He came to A&M at a critical point in the college's history and turned things around for the better.  At the time certain forces in the state wanted to de-fund and close the college down but Sully made changes that pushed A&M forward.  Oh, btw, he also established Prairie View A&M which is a black college.

 Honestly I never really knew who or what he really was or did for the college but I knew that he used to be a governor and college president and that there was a statue of him that people would put pennies on.  Like most prominent southern figures in the mid to late 1800's they've all got a little baggage whether it be fighting for the confederacy or dealing in slavery in one way or another.

Thanks, Gigem.
I just read on another site that Ross was also supposedly involved with the Klan.  That is coming to be the kiss of death as we have arrived at our reckoning with the unsavory aspects of our past.
One of the men who built Tulsa (my home) from a town into a city back in the teens and twenties was a guy named Tate Brady.  There was a E-W street running through the northern part of downtown named for him.  That led to the Tulsa Municipal Theater acquiring after a few decades the nickname of "Old Lady of Brady."  And there was the development of the Brady Arts District.
Well, in recent decades, as the long-hushed-up Tulsa Race Massacre of 1921 began receiving attention and research, it turns out that Tate Brady was a member of the KKK and may have played a key role in organizing the armed invasion of whites into "Black Wall Street" and the adjacent residential areas to put Tulsa's blacks "in their place" by killing them and looting their homes.
It shouldn't have been much of a surprise.