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Topic: The Porch, y'all. pull up a seat and kick back.

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FearlessF

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« Reply #1834 on: June 15, 2020, 10:34:17 AM »
I'd rather lose a song than divide a people. I just ask that they be certain that they can't live with it before we trash over 100 years of tradition.
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« Reply #1835 on: June 15, 2020, 11:22:51 AM »


I'd rather lose a song than divide a people. I just ask that they be certain that they can't live with it before we trash over 100 years of tradition.
If I thought it would end there I might feel as you do but it wont end there

The same group asking to abolish The Eyes of Texas wont stop there 

Did you know that a number of the defenders of the Alamo were slave holders including Travis
so where does that lead us

Soon there will be a call to tear down the Alamo as it represents slavery

Texas was a slave state so its hard not to have some ties to it in our history

are we going to destroy our history over this

be careful here cause today its the Eyes of Texas but tomorrow its always going to be something else
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« Reply #1836 on: June 15, 2020, 11:43:23 AM »
"Slippery slope" arguments rarely hold merit. As intelligent people, we have to argue each point on its own merits.

George Washington himself owned slaves. It's a sad fact that practically all of our American institutions owe themselves to the mistreatment of primarily black people. It will generally not be possible to untangle every point. If a point has other positive qualities, then those have to be considered, too.

However, here we're talking about a song. True, it's a song that's represented millions of alumni and Texas fans for over a century. It's an institution unto itself. It's still, though, a song. If that historical institution divides a Longhorn of color and makes him or her feel less than included, then we should change it.

I can't answer the question of how feelings of racism are attached to it. Only those affected by it can do that. Thus, I'm calling for them to understand what they're asking, and to be really sure change is needed.

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« Reply #1837 on: June 15, 2020, 11:51:49 AM »
It kind of doesn't matter at this point.  The damage is done.  Justly or not, it has been labeled as racist and it will be the target of criticism and controversy until it is removed. That label is a powerful accusation.  It's a powerful tool.  And sometimes, it's a powerful weapon.



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« Reply #1838 on: June 15, 2020, 12:29:13 PM »
It kind of doesn't matter at this point.  The damage is done.  Justly or not, it has been labeled as racist and it will be the target of criticism and controversy until it is removed. That label is a powerful accusation.  It's a powerful tool.  And sometimes, it's a powerful weapon.




so is there some point that you would stand up and say no we arent going to do that or are you guys simply going to keep bowing down and say please sir may I have another
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« Reply #1839 on: June 15, 2020, 12:33:24 PM »
I think to say the slippery slope argument rarely has merit is to go down a slippery slope.

One of the first slave holders in VA was a black man apparently.  Maybe there is a back story to that.

Georgia was the first colony to ban slavery.  They back doored it later though.

Some Union states allowed slavery during the Late Unpleasantness.  Delaware I think was one, and MD, KY, MO.

I seem to recall some mistreatment of people of Japanese ancestry circa 1942.

Slavery still exists in the world of course.

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« Reply #1840 on: June 15, 2020, 12:49:27 PM »
I think to say the slippery slope argument rarely has merit is to go down a slippery slope.

One of the first slave holders in VA was a black man apparently.  Maybe there is a back story to that.

Georgia was the first colony to ban slavery.  They back doored it later though.

Some Union states allowed slavery during the Late Unpleasantness.  Delaware I think was one, and MD, KY, MO.

I seem to recall some mistreatment of people of Japanese ancestry circa 1942.

Slavery still exists in the world of course.
you didnt answer my question
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« Reply #1841 on: June 15, 2020, 12:59:29 PM »
I didn't even know I had been asked a question.

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« Reply #1842 on: June 15, 2020, 01:21:47 PM »
so is there some point that you would stand up and say no we arent going to do that or are you guys simply going to keep bowing down and say please sir may I have another
Here is my question
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« Reply #1843 on: June 15, 2020, 02:18:36 PM »
That is like asking me if I'm still beating my wife.

I haven't been "bowing down" to anyone that I know of, so I can't stop doing what I'm not doing.

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« Reply #1844 on: June 15, 2020, 02:39:42 PM »
That is like asking me if I'm still beating my wife.

I haven't been "bowing down" to anyone that I know of, so I can't stop doing what I'm not doing.
that remains to be seen
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« Reply #1845 on: June 15, 2020, 03:44:07 PM »
so is there some point that you would stand up and say no we arent going to do that or are you guys simply going to keep bowing down and say please sir may I have another
have you contacted the administration at UT-Austin and voiced your opinion

have you asked this question of the board of regents??


https://www.utsystem.edu/offices/board-regents/current-regents
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« Reply #1846 on: June 15, 2020, 03:52:12 PM »
have you contacted the administration at UT-Austin and voiced your opinion

have you asked this question of the board of regents??


https://www.utsystem.edu/offices/board-regents/current-regents
actually I have
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« Reply #1847 on: June 15, 2020, 03:54:09 PM »
good for you, I assume many others have done the same

if you are a donor of substance, your opinion might carry some weight
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