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CDC just got an extension, and he's building a ton of stuff.

You almost support the other side.

CDC is a rock star right now, he can do no wrong.  Oh, and he didn't hire Herman - who has visibly been sat down somewhere between his last 2 press conferences.

Whatever CDC wants (at this point) goes without question.  I say he chokes and pukes on 6-6.

Good points.  And Herman also just got an extension after the Sugar Bowl.  I'd consider it "quite surprising" if 6-6 got him fired.

*If* Herman was let go, it won’t be overtly explained or justified.  It will just happen.

6-6 will be good enough for the unspoken attributes to win out.

Sometimes it seems like a long time ago, sometimes like the day before yesterday.

But there was a time when OU and Texas fans were arguing over who was the better hire, Lincoln Riley or Tom Herman.

Early returns are a bit lopsided.

But Herman could turn out to be an all-time great, like Dr. Tom eventually did in Lincoln (Nebraska, that is).

Sometimes it seems like a long time ago, sometimes like the day before yesterday.

But there was a time when OU and Texas fans were arguing over who was the better hire, Lincoln Riley or Tom Herman.

Early returns are a bit lopsided.

But Herman could turn out to be an all-time great, like Dr. Tom eventually did in Lincoln (Nebraska, that is).

Well, one coach was handed the keys to a CFP program. He keeps helicoptering in Heisman QBs. Another coach took over when his predecessor's recruiting events were used by other teams to scout players.

Nobody's crying over Texas' talent, but the cold fact is that the roster is still building. Strong recruited like 9 defensive tackles one cycle, and had all but like two leave the program. There are holes, and where the holes have been patched, players get injured.

Sure, the coaching can do better, but ultimately the players have to produce. Texas can't go back and un-lose those games with a different coaching staff. We've paid for those lessons. We may as well reap the benefits.

Well, one coach was handed the keys to a CFP program. He keeps helicoptering in Heisman QBs. Another coach took over when his predecessor's recruiting events were used by other teams to scout players.

Nobody's crying over Texas' talent, but the cold fact is that the roster is still building. Strong recruited like 9 defensive tackles one cycle, and had all but like two leave the program. There are holes, and where the holes have been patched, players get injured.

Sure, the coaching can do better, but ultimately the players have to produce. Texas can't go back and un-lose those games with a different coaching staff. We've paid for those lessons. We may as well reap the benefits.

Before he was handed those keys, Lincoln Riley as offensive coordinator helped revive both recruiting and offensive production, which had declined to a significant extent by the end of the 8-5 2014 season.
As far as "helicoptering in Heisman QBs," you could just as accurately say that talented QBs want to play for someone who will develop/feature/utilize them in ways that make them Heisman candidates.  Neither Baker Mayfield nor Kyler Murray were obvious Heisman candidates when they came to OU, and Jalen Hurts was a guy who had been a starter and lost that position, overshadowed by the brilliance of Tua.  I think that there was a good deal of interest in how he would do, but nobody last spring was penciling in his name for invitations to the Heisman ceremony.  Personally, I would rather see us develop the QBs that we recruit out of high school than be a magnet to guys who don't like it where they are, but the results have been at least semi-decent.
Per The Sporting News, Texas has had the 7th-best recruiting results in all the land over the last decade.  I don't know what OU's ranking is, but it's not in the top 10.  Every team (except maybe The OSU) has holes.  We've got 'em at DL, LB, and safety.
Back to the coaches, 15 years ago, it seemed like about now we'd be seeing Josh Heupel and Major Applewhite as the head coaches in the RRS.  It's funny how things didn't even come close to turning out that way.

Well I was rather surprised when UT let Charlie Strong go after 3 seasons (of a 5 year contract), even with the dismal seasons at the time.   
It certainly wouldn't surprise me if they did the same with Herman, but don't think they cut the cord this soon, regardless of a Baylor Win/loss.   

Who really knows anymore, though?  Contracts don't mean a damn thing in sports these days, it seems.   

It was obvious that Strong was way over his head.  He didn't just lose, he got his ass beat week in and week out and just looked inept.  It reminded me a lot of when Fran was here but we should have fired him after year 3.  He made it to year 5 with more of the same.  Most of the losses Herman has had have been tight games and any number of which could have been won. 
More importantly, even if Herman was let go, who would you replace him with?  That is the real question.  There ain't nobody available that's proven better unless you can get Urban Meyer.