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the only air conditioning our High School had was the cafeteria

we didnt have air conditioning at home until I was around 16

But BC and 320 seemed to be celebrating it as a good thing.  Hence my comment.

Or maybe we're just playing along.

We've got to do something about defenses taking dives.  It's getting out of hand.

I say - you're out for the remainder of the possession if you have to hit the field and stop the game.

I think that's an appropriate rule.  If an injury is so severe that you have to roll around on the turf and stop the entire game for 3-5 minutes, then sitting out one play certainly isn't enough time for a medical staff to evaluate you properly and determine if you're ready to go back onto the field.

Opponents to that, however, will argue that such a harsh "penalty" will result in players who are legitimately hurt, toughing it out and playing through the pain, thus potentially causing even further damage.  And I believe that's a legitimate argument.  Which is largely why nothing has ever been done to address it.

I've seen it done occasionally, just never, EVER in such an obvious and egregious manner.  It was really pretty shocking that someone would take advantage of a loophole in the rules is such an unsportsmanlike manner.  As much as I like to call out OU for being willing to "bend" the rules over all these years, I've never once seen them attempt anything so bush league.  It was really surprising to me.

I'd worry about it, except it wasn't the play of the LSU defense in the 2nd half that made a difference in the game. Faking injury may be a thing, but it had no bearing on Saturday's outcome.

No one seriously believes the visitors locker room at DKR is un-air conditioned. Possibly the two games we've had so far have fallen on the hottest days in Austin all year, so maybe the A/C couldn't quite keep up to whatever standard a sports team is used to, but I'm positive it falls within acceptable standards.

LSU won a tough football game by being better at offense than Texas was at defense. This is galling. Don't muddy it up by carping nonsense.

I'm not sure I'm willing to say it had "no bearing."  I think LSU likely would have won without it, but we're talking about a game that was decided by 1 TD, and in the second half where both teams scored TDs on most possessions, that means the game was decided by 1 possession.

And there was one drive where Texas was moving the ball, got a quick, long first down, ran up to the line in order to run uptempo and force the clearly-tired LSU defense to defend without substitutions, and SHOCKINGLY we see an LSU defender hit the turf rolling around with fake cramps.  Game is stopped, LSU defenders are allowed to get water, LSU coaches are allowed to walk onto the field and are given time to coach up their defensive units while the medical staff renders aid to the "injured" player, LSU players are allowed substitution without having to take a timeout, then a TV time-out kicks in, and play is stopped for 3.5 minutes.  After all of that, the Texas drive stalls, Horns attempt a field goal and miss it, and there you have it-- the one possession that could have made the difference.

And this happened 13 times. 

So no, I'm not willing to say it had "no bearing."  LSU was effectively granted 19 time-outs.  When have you ever seen this happen in any game, ever?

Frankly, I'm more upset about the 3rd and 17 play. Not because it was converted, but because the RB blatantly tackled our blitzing Safety by the legs in the hole. If he hits Burrow, we win.

But I can't manage a game that relies on a critical holding call. Those get missed all the time. Neither am I dismissing the fake cramps. LSU was taught by Alabama and the rest of the SEC how to deal with Ole Miss and TAMU's offense. It was a compromise to keep Nick Saban from unilaterally outlawing the HUNH completely. I very much agree we're going to have to set some standards.

I just want to control the things I can control. Texas should have scored during one of the 9 plays inside LSU's 5 yard line. They should have shut down a TD before the end of the 1st half.

Ed's a mental case, but his offense did the job this time.

I'm upset that we called a 6-man blitz on 3rd and 17 instead of keeping 8 back in coverage and keeping the play in front of us.  That was incredibly stupid, and even without the holding non-call, could easily be what cost us the game.

I'm also upset with just about every Texas offensive playcall at the goalline during those 9 plays you mention.  

Like I said initially, Texas got outcoached on both sides of the ball, and the Texas players were outplayed at every single position.  Burrow played better than Sam, the LSU o-line kept Burrow cleaner than the Texas o-line kept Sam, they also run blocked slightly better, they clearly pass-blocked better, their WRs had a better day despite Duverney's beast game, and their defense played better.  I don't think the gap is huge, but in every single phase, they were just a little better.

That's precisely why it's so comical to see them engaging in such bush league BS.  I realize there aren't any rules against what they did, I've just never seen anything like it before.  Truly mind-boggling.  But, I expect we'll see more and more of it creeping throughout the various leagues since there's really no way to stop it.

as was said earlier if a player is hurt enough to stop the game then he should have to sit out for some period of time

I like the idea of 10 minutes or the rest of the quarter which ever is longer

in addition once play is stopped 3 times by a def injury in the same quarter that team should be forced to use a timeout for any additional def injury in the quarter

if that team has no timeouts remaining then a 10 yard penalty will result

I think these are all reasonable and sensible suggestions on how to combat it.

But the problem is, even if you couch these suggestions in the guise of "player safety" there's a counter-argument also involving player safety, that if players think they're going to be held out for a full drive or a quarter or the rest of the half or whatever, then even legitimately injured players are going to attempt to stay in the game and "tough it out" which could cause even more severe damage.

I don't think there's any realistic, manageable solution that won't be shot down under the cover of "player safety" and I don't necessarily disagree.

Before, the ideals of good sportsmanship prevented coaches from doing things like this.  But now, apparently that is an archaic concept.  

I think these are all reasonable and sensible suggestions on how to combat it.

But the problem is, even if you couch these suggestions in the guise of "player safety" there's a counter-argument also involving player safety, that if players think they're going to be held out for a full drive or a quarter or the rest of the half or whatever, then even legitimately injured players are going to attempt to stay in the game and "tough it out" which could cause even more severe damage.

I don't think there's any realistic, manageable solution that won't be shot down under the cover of "player safety" and I don't necessarily disagree.

Before, the ideals of good sportsmanship prevented coaches from doing things like this.  But now, apparently that is an archaic concept. 

In my opinion players are already doing this for a real injury

I dont think this purposed new rule would encourage this more 

anyway this discussion is mute cause if a sec sec sec team takes dives there will never be a rule against it