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Topic: Rivalry Talk

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utee94

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2021, 04:37:47 PM »
Where does Mizzou end up in divisions?

I had to read up on Baton Rouge history when writing my Book 3. 
I think it makes the most sense to move Mizzou to the West, so you can move both Auburn and Alabama to the East.

Also, geographically, it makes sense for Mizzou to be in the West.

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #57 on: August 10, 2021, 04:40:19 PM »
Here's the Divisions and x-div rivals I listed on the Pods/Divisions thread on the SEC board.  You could change up the x-div rivals if there are some that make more sense, of course.

East                        West
Alabama                  LSU
Auburn                    Ole Miss
Georgia                    Miss State
Florida                      Texas A&M
Kentucky                  Arkansas
Vanderbilt                Missouri
Tennessee                Texas
South Carolina          Oklahoma

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #58 on: August 10, 2021, 04:58:02 PM »
looks like the SEC and the Big 12 to me
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« Reply #59 on: August 10, 2021, 05:17:28 PM »
indeed

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« Reply #60 on: August 10, 2021, 05:21:57 PM »
except ya swapped out the Mississippi schools for Okie St and Texas Tech

same same
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #61 on: August 10, 2021, 05:30:10 PM »
Well it's also missing TCU and Baylor and ISU and KSU and KU and WVU.


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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2021, 06:45:33 PM »
Where does Mizzou end up in divisions?

I had to read up on Baton Rouge history when writing my Book 3. 

I'm no help there.  State history was 8th grade, and I got moved to GA for that, so I learned all about Georgia, and never about Louisiana.  Formally, anyway.  I've got some books I bought in my 20's because I felt like I missed out on something.  

I still remember miscellaneous facts about GA from 8th grade.  Don't know why.  Maybe because I spent the whole year irked that I was forced to learn about a state I planned on leaving asap.  Moved back to LA between 9th and 10th grade and resumed being a coonass.  I thought it was a wasted 2 years at the time.

In retrospect, there was a fair bit to like about GA.  Speaking as an old fart, the seasons were better.  Macon had an actual fall and the leaves turned some nice colors.  Also some nice hills, which I like.  You don't get that around here.  

It is where I uncovered the SEC family snob mentality, though.  This was the earlyish 90's, LSU was pretty bad, my dad used to try to change the subject to baseball when people talked sports, LSU was dominating that at the time.  But occasionally he'd encounter a Tech fan and roll his eyes and explain to me afterwards that "we" can abide UGA fans, because they're of our tribe, but Tech is just an SEC throwaway that played in a wuss conference, against wuss teams, and was in no way to be thought of in the same sense as UGA.  In other words, if UGA give you grief, well, our home team is just going to have to do better, take your lumps and wait for fortune to turn.  If a Tech fan yaps at you, they are not worthy, throat punch them if they don't shut up.

Well....okay, that's not what he said, but that seems to capture the overall gist.  

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #63 on: August 10, 2021, 07:52:34 PM »
I'd say the historical rivalries, aside fron the in state things like the Egg bowl, are:

Bama - Tenn
Auburn - UGA
UGA - UF


That's it.  I'm not including matchups between teams that have been good of late, those are just important games, like LSU-UF.
Not Auburn-Alabama?
I think all the ones you listed would be preserved under a 2-divisional arrangement.
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #64 on: August 10, 2021, 07:59:36 PM »
Here's the Divisions and x-div rivals I listed on the Pods/Divisions thread on the SEC board.  You could change up the x-div rivals if there are some that make more sense, of course.

East                        West
Alabama                  LSU
Auburn                    Ole Miss
Georgia                    Miss State
Florida                      Texas A&M
Kentucky                  Arkansas
Vanderbilt                Missouri
Tennessee                Texas
South Carolina          Oklahoma
South Carolina?  Thanks for nothing.
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #65 on: August 10, 2021, 08:03:50 PM »
I'm no help there.  State history was 8th grade, and I got moved to GA for that, so I learned all about Georgia, and never about Louisiana.  Formally, anyway.  I've got some books I bought in my 20's because I felt like I missed out on something.
I got state history in the 9th grade, in Alabama.
I learned that slavery had absolutely nothing to do with the Civil War.
My history teacher was a very nice lady.  Just wrong.
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #66 on: August 10, 2021, 08:12:17 PM »
Absolutely nothing? 

I mean, I guess there's a case to be made that 10-15% of the Civil War wasn't about slavery--not sure how good of one--but not at all about slavery?  That stretches credulity, even for Alabama public education.  

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #67 on: August 10, 2021, 08:31:05 PM »
IIRC, it was put this way.  "The Civil War was about states' rights, not about slavery."

I used CFB MB license in posting "absolutely."
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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #68 on: August 10, 2021, 08:34:47 PM »
Lately I've had interest in reading some topic-specific history that references and cites original sources.  It's been neat because I never thought much about how historians know history.  I've learned a bit about their methodology, criteria for holding that historical documents are likely accurate and true, and found some of these documents online to read for myself. 

There's been a few mild surprises in what historical sources actually say compared to what I remember learning in history books.  Not anything major, like we covered up aliens or something.  Just some things here and there that look like authors either didn't process the full scope of available material or else decided to skip over a few things.

In most cases.  There are some things in widespread use out there that are egregious.  

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Re: Rivalry Talk
« Reply #69 on: August 10, 2021, 08:34:53 PM »
I got state history in the 9th grade, in Alabama.
I learned that slavery had absolutely nothing to do with the Civil War.
My history teacher was a very nice lady.  Just wrong.
In 7th grade I had a very nice teacher who was one of the ones that sticks out in my mind. In fact, she’s now the mayor in the next town over. 
she told us “no matter what anybody tells you the civil war is not about slavery”   
It was during this year that I really followed the presidential election. Mike Dukakis vs G Bush. We had to cut out political cartoons and such. 

Next year in 8th grade our teacher, also a very nice lady who still sticks out in my mind said “ no matter what any body tells you the civil war IS about slavery”. 
Talk about confused !  

I finally realized that for some people, especially the aristocrats, it was a lot to do with slavery. I doubt the average southerner ever read the csa constitution but it certainly has a lot of slave related language. 

I figure the average southerner was probably fighting for other reasons, a lot influenced by the aristocrats that ruled the day. 

it’s really a shame though. Europeans imported slavery here at the genesis of our country and it took nearly 100 years and 100’s of thousands of lives to rid ourselves from it. And in some ways still paying the price. 

 

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