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Topic: OU at WVU

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Re: OU at WVU
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2018, 06:51:43 PM »
I can't help but laugh at all the snooty B1G posters going on and on about the B12's lack of defense, and then they deliver THAT complete shitfest in their "biggest game of the year."

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« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2018, 07:00:37 PM »
well, the AfroMan isn't a B1G guy

and I wasn't going on and on, just stirring the pot and giving explanations of the NCAA rules giving more help to offenses

but, I will agree about Michigan's defense not getting on or off the bus today
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Re: OU at WVU
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2018, 08:15:32 PM »
There were a lot of blowouts today, but I'm talking about the style of football in which the losing team scores over 40 or even 50 points.  It used to be WAC football, but now it's Big XII football.  The PAC does it sometimes, but not that often.  
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Re: OU at WVU
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2018, 08:17:06 PM »
Furthermore there are smart coaches and idiot savant offensive coaches.

Smart coaches have some consideration for their defense and enough sense to know that controlling the clock with their offense mitigates the amount of time their defense has to be on the field.

Idiot savant offensive coaches think there’s nothing more to the game than outscoring the opposition so they score as quickly and as often as they can without any consideration to the adverse effect of their defense never catching its breath.

The Big 12 has more idiot savant offensive coaches than anybody else.  Most have some kind of Leach connection and none have ever sniffed an MNC or ever will.
Oregon at least sniffed a MNC.  The coaching you're describing is Chip Kelly to a T.  Score so quickly and often that your defense, no matter how good, doesn't even have a chance to be statistically good, because it's so worn out from being on the field.
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Re: OU at WVU
« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2018, 08:22:43 PM »
it was telling as Coach Frost commented in the postgame presser after the Michigan State game, a 9-6 game, no TDs

Fost admitted that he had never been apart of a game like that
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Re: OU at WVU
« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2018, 10:32:17 PM »
well, the AfroMan isn't a B1G guy

and I wasn't going on and on, just stirring the pot and giving explanations of the NCAA rules giving more help to offenses

but, I will agree about Michigan's defense not getting on or off the bus today
I wasn't talking about OAM on this thread, I was talking about some of the various B1G-fan blow-hards on the B1G board guffawing over the OU-WVU game, and then I was pointing out how stupid they looked given the defensive shitshow that the Michigan-Ohio State game became.  OAM was part of that over there, but he came here with legitimate, thoughtful, relevant questions.  
To answer those questions, I'll deliver at least a somewhat thoughtful answer.  The B12 is largely centered on Texas recruiting.  And in Texas high school ball, the 7-on-7 game, alongside the spread offense, have blossomed.  So the B12's style of play is at least somewhat a product of the types of players that are available.  In addition, the offense-oriented rules in modern football are friendly toward those offenses, and so they proliferate further.  And yes-- a lot of people like that style of football.  The recent NFL game between the Chiefs and the Rams was widely lauded as an "instant classic" and the final score of that game was 54-51.
To say that these high scoring games in the B12 (and elsewhere) are solely a product of bad defense is disingenuous and most certainly naive.  These offenses are high-risk high-reward by design.  When they're working, they score quickly in bunches.  They can also result in short offensive possessions that can handicap the defense.
There's a lot at play here.  As long as the rules continue trending in favor of offense, we're going to see more, not fewer, teams adapt to this style.  Putting aside the high-risk offenses of the B12, and just looking at "average" offenses in other leagues, there's still considerably more offensive yards and scoring than there was 2, 3, 4, 5 decades ago.  The trend is going in this direction and only rule-changes in favor of defense are going to change that trajectory.

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« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2018, 12:19:54 PM »
agreed

it's easy for the fans of any accomplished program to rail on the D-coordinator after a few blow out losses where the opponent puts up a pile of points.

I understand this, but also realize that in this day and age of football there are going to be some games that get away from the defense
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Re: OU at WVU
« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2018, 01:06:55 PM »
Last week Texas beat Iowa State 24-10.  Scores this week were:

Texas 24 Kansas 17
Baylor 35 Tech 24
ISU 42 KSU 38
TCU 31 OSU 24

and of course

OU 59 WVU 56

Which in light of the above scores, certainly appears to be an aberration.  It's hardly the average type of game in the B12.


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Re: OU at WVU
« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2018, 01:18:00 PM »
scores in the defensive minded SEC........

MSU 35
Ole Miss 3
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Arky 0
Mizzou 38
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Auburn 21
Bammer 52
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Cocks 35
Clemson 56
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Tech 21
Georgia 45
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LSU 72
A&M 74
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Gators 41
Noles 14
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Kentucky 56
Louisville 10
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Vols 13
Vandy 38
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Re: OU at WVU
« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2018, 01:23:49 PM »
I mean, there's no doubt that scores are lower in the SEC and B1G, but this thought that the OU-WVU game was somehow "normal" for the B12 is off-base.  

In general, if you look at just the OU scores, they're both scoring much higher than their opponent's average defensive allowed ppg, and they're also allowing their opponents to score well over their average offensive ppg.  They're a very special case this year, with a stellar offense, and an atrocious defense.

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Re: OU at WVU
« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2018, 01:45:50 PM »
I mean, there's no doubt that scores are lower in the SEC and B1G, but this thought that the OU-WVU game was somehow "normal" for the B12 is off-base.  
even the Big 10 and SEC scores are up over past seasons
lowest score of a winner in the SEC this week was 35, highest was 74
Bama has scored the most points in a season in their long glorious history
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