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Topic: OU at WVU

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Re: OU at WVU
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2018, 10:23:59 AM »
Defense set-aside, the game was as exciting as they get.    Beat OU !

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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2018, 10:45:45 AM »
Do you guys like Big XII style football?  Why is it like this?  How can it go back to being actual football, with defense?  I'm 100% not trying to troll or flame or whatever, I'm earnestly asking if you guys like it.  


I think back to the OU defenses of the mid-80s and the Texas defenses of the early 80s and while I'm not dying to watch a 9-7 game, this both-teams-have-50-by-halftime crap isn't a sport I recognize.  


Is Texas Tech to blame?  Leach?  How did it get to this point?
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2018, 11:04:37 AM »
I blame DeLo$$ and the Longhorn Network

or the puppy kicker
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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2018, 11:13:24 AM »
Very disappointed.  I thought WVU had as good a chance to win the league this year as they have ever had and may get again in a while.

OU’s offense is obviously incredible but the defensive effort was embarrassing last night.  It was last week against Ok St too.  They didn’t even put up a fight.

The two calls that negated a WVU TD in the 2nd quarter and a 70 yard run were massive.  I thought Holgorsen’s decision to go for it on 4th and 6 instead of kick a chip shot FG was a mistake.  There’s a fine line between aggressive and dumb.  Would have liked to have seen him take the points there.  Oh well.

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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2018, 11:38:50 AM »
Is Texas Tech to blame?  Leach?  How did it get to this point?
check you NCAA passing stats for the decade of the 2000's or 2010's vs the 70's or 80's
as we've discussed, the NCAA's thirst to draw non-fans eyeballs to the TV for ratings and $$$ have caused this
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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2018, 11:49:24 AM »
The lack of defense hurts the Big 12 conference as a whole.  And is why the Big 12 will play second fiddle to the Big 10 and SEC when looking at one loss teams for the playoff.   

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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2018, 12:10:37 PM »
same as has been happening to the PAC for decades
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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2018, 12:24:04 PM »
Why haven't the SEC, ACC, or B10 fell prey to this type of football?  (yet?)
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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2018, 12:43:52 PM »
they have, just not to this extent
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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2018, 01:58:04 PM »
Part of it is also a result of the way the refs call the game.  They rarely call offensive holding on passing plays, even when defenders are being tackled to the ground by o-linemen.  This obviously results in more offensive yards and more scoring.  I guess the league likes it that way, because they continue to overlook it.  

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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2018, 03:00:07 PM »
Part of it is also a result of the way the refs call the game.  They rarely call offensive holding on passing plays, even when defenders are being tackled to the ground by o-linemen.  This obviously results in more offensive yards and more scoring.  I guess the league likes it that way, because they continue to overlook it.  

That and the fact that if a tackler has a head he’s probably going to be called for targeting.
I bet there wasn’t a Big 12 defense this year that wasn’t handicapped by half-game suspensions to their best defenders.

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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2018, 03:11:50 PM »
Furthermore there are smart coaches and idiot savant offensive coaches.

Smart coaches have some consideration for their defense and enough sense to know that controlling the clock with their offense mitigates the amount of time their defense has to be on the field.

Idiot savant offensive coaches think there’s nothing more to the game than outscoring the opposition so they score as quickly and as often as they can without any consideration to the adverse effect of their defense never catching its breath.

The Big 12 has more idiot savant offensive coaches than anybody else.  Most have some kind of Leach connection and none have ever sniffed an MNC or ever will.

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« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2018, 03:22:13 PM »
The only thing that amazes me is how these teams coached by idiot savant offensive coaches can still recruit 4 star recruits on the defensive side of the ball.  If I were one I wouldn’t touch a team like that with a ten foot pole.

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« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2018, 03:37:07 PM »
does anybody play offense in the Big 10

Only two Big 10 teams in the top 25 in total offense

The Big 12 has 4
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« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2018, 03:45:03 PM »
ohio st does

and against the #1 defense
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« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2018, 03:54:50 PM »
sooners couldn't score 60+ on WVU?

Buckeyes put 60+ on Michigan

question:  Will the Buckeyes jump the Sooners in the ranking?
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« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2018, 04:11:22 PM »
No am not a fan of it either.  I grew up watching the Selmons, Rod Shoate et al shut their opponents down and would still prefer it that way.

Hard to fight city hall.

But ya know, with joe Montana etc in the nfl there was a time when passing ruled too ... but now lately it’s been more defense (eg the Ravens) oriented.  Not totally but D does matter rather bigly.  Maybe college will find a way back? 

Said hopefully ...

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« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2018, 04:13:17 PM »
ohio st does

and against the #1 defense
Not much defense today
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Re: OU at WVU
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2018, 04:15:21 PM »
sooners couldn't score 60+ on WVU?

Buckeyes put 60+ on Michigan

question:  Will the Buckeyes jump the Sooners in the ranking?
of course they will just like years past
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Re: OU at WVU
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2018, 04:22:51 PM »
I’m not so sure.  This isn’t TCU but a clash of two helmets, and _IF_ OU ends beating a helmet, they probably have a shot to stay in front of OSU.  This is a team afterall against which an OU flag was planted midfield in the Horseshoe just last year, and also the Buckeyes have had some truly stinko games this year.  OU’s only loss was via a last minute FG in a rivalry game etc etc.

 

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