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Topic: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2534 on: April 28, 2025, 09:43:25 AM »
You should do this one when it's set to pipe organ...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj-8_FL7zS0

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2535 on: April 28, 2025, 10:06:08 AM »
And I've posted it on this thread before, but my favorite song on 5150 is the title track...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN8Ncoenewg



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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2536 on: April 28, 2025, 10:24:26 AM »
You should do this one when it's set to pipe organ...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj-8_FL7zS0

As a lower strings player, Bach is a lot of fun for me. It's rhythmical, predictable, and just satisfying. I can see where some would think it's tedious, but I enjoy it.
Watching an actual organist play it, using their feet to play the themes on the pedal keys, is fascinating. 

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2537 on: April 28, 2025, 10:31:45 AM »
And I've posted it on this thread before, but my favorite song on 5150 is the title track...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN8Ncoenewg



I'm a recovering Alex Van Halen disciple. Like AVH, I've never met a cymbal hit I didn't like. Subtlety isn't some thing he knows. I believe anticipation is part of what builds tension and release in music, and guessing whether Alex is going for power or finesse is useless. It's always power. He and Keith Moon are still my go-to influences.

5150 is a perfect example of this. Just fun to unload on.

I consider Stewart Copeland to be the antithesis of AVH. Yes, he can beat the kit when appropriate. However, he also strikes cymbals in interesting ways, uses accents out of the ordinary, and all around plays with a touch that makes you excited to see what his musical commentary will be (at least to drum nerds). He does all this while still keeping the song pop or rock, and listenable. I'm trying to feel more of his spirit to my soul.

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2538 on: April 28, 2025, 10:39:42 AM »
AVH seemed to really ramp up the cymbals when Sammy came on board.  At times I find it really distracting, but overall I still love the band and can forgive him for his... enthusiasm.

Thinking about songs off VH1 like "Running With The Devil" he seems to stay mostly on the hi hat and doesn't just pound the crash cymbals the way he does later in his career.  But, you and MDT know FAR more about drumming than I ever will.


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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2539 on: April 28, 2025, 11:06:58 AM »
I'm a recovering Alex Van Halen disciple. Like AVH, I've never met a cymbal hit I didn't like. Subtlety isn't some thing he knows. I believe anticipation is part of what builds tension and release in music, and guessing whether Alex is going for power or finesse is useless. It's always power. He and Keith Moon are still my go-to influences.

5150 is a perfect example of this. Just fun to unload on.

I consider Stewart Copeland to be the antithesis of AVH. Yes, he can beat the kit when appropriate. However, he also strikes cymbals in interesting ways, uses accents out of the ordinary, and all around plays with a touch that makes you excited to see what his musical commentary will be (at least to drum nerds). He does all this while still keeping the song pop or rock, and listenable. I'm trying to feel more of his spirit to my soul.

If they were boxers, Stewart Copeland is the guy with deceptive motions and odd strikes that keep you off balance and ever unsure about where and when the next blow is coming from.  

AVH is Mike Tyson.  It doesn't matter that you know when and where it's coming, it's too much nuclear force to do anything about it.  

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2540 on: April 28, 2025, 04:15:17 PM »
I play keys only by straight memorization. I don't have any competent feel or theory behind it. I'll play "Home Sweet Home" if it's set to piano.
If it's set to the synth 5ths, I'll play "Love Walks In" (oooh, there she stands in a silken gown, silver lights shining down), or "Dreams" from the same album.

A few years back I found myself playing synths in a church band, cuz, you know, praise and worship music really discovered synths about 10-15 years ago, and that's what my life had come to at that point.  Anyway, I was trying to learn a song one day, but I realized all the sounds off that track might as well have come straight off of 1984, so I just kept playing Jump instead.  

I recorded a clip and posted it to facebook, and every year it pops up in my memories.  A video memorial to my procrastination and EVH synth-love.  I am also not much of a keys player, but at least I learned one of the essentials  :)

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2541 on: April 28, 2025, 04:31:58 PM »
My praise band experiences were usually led by women who had keys as their primary instrument. They were usually decent vocalists as well. At the time, our guitar player was an older Led Zep / Texas Blues guy, and our bass player was of the "Five Finger Death Punch" world - although he easily played everything else as well. I, of course, sat in on drums (where I learned to embrace higher-end Roland kits) and jumped in on cello when it helped.

I didn't hate it. When we played a 'greatest hits' type thing where we could dig up praise music from the last 10 years and shuffle it, it sounded OK. As time went on, adding new stuff became difficult, because everything new fell into the "constant downbeat / waving hands over 2 chords" motif. Since we weren't playing live for 10,000 people (more like 30), it kinda fell flat. About that time, the church decided to end the service, and we all went our ways.

If you got there early enough, though, you could hear us warm up to "La Grange" or "Paranoid".

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2542 on: April 28, 2025, 05:00:34 PM »
I had to look up Five Finger Death Punch.

I was fortunate to do a lot of neat things with music, but easily the bulk of my playing in my life happened in church.  I eventually picked up the bass and became deceptively good at it, by which I mean, in the right kind of music, and with enough preparation, I could fool you into thinking I was pretty good.  If forced into too much improv or anything but the limited style of music I "mastered" it would've been quickly obvious I was a one-trick pony.  Keys.....I should've been better....my folks got me piano lessons when I was young, my mom was/is quite a player, and I've always known quite a lot of music theory.  But I never took the time to translate it into anything proficient.  The only reason I functioned as a synth player in a church band was all the songs at that point were nearly the same 4 chords over and over, and I had plenty of time to prep.  Any more serious musical setting would've laughed me away from anywhere near a keyboard.  I was only ever really good at drums.  Which was fine, because they were my true love anyway. 

Ironically, I grew up in churches where black gospel was the norm, and that's what I cut my teeth on.  It ultimately lends itself to pop and funk, which became my "sweet spot," although I did continue off and on through the years to moonlight at predominantly black churches, filling in.  Some pretty hilarious stories there, but that's another thread. 

It wasn't until I moved to Austin where I learned a truly legit blues and hard rock feel.  I was kind of a hack at it prior to that.  The church scene in Austin had embraced the grittier praise and worship sound and had much less need of my gospel roots.  It was a struggle at first, and a bruise to my ego, because I was used to functioning at a really high level and other musicians being happy to play with me.  The Austinites didn't give two figs about my funky shuffle, they wanted me to thunder-crack the snare and nuke-boom the low toms.  It took a while, but eventually I got it.  Made some great friends there, and got to play with some amazing bands at some of the big churches there. 

Now I'm crippled AF, haven't played in years, and have tried to forget the whole thing because dwelling on it puts me in a dark place I try to avoid.  A number of my friends from various times and places have migrated to Nashville, with varying degrees of success.  One of my oldest friends, interestingly from my LA hometown, but also moved to Austin before me and was the music director of the church I regularly attended, moved to Nashville in 2008 and has become a top session guy there in addition to being Michael McDonald and Reba McIntyre's touring bassist.  Others have done some neat things as well, though probably not to that level.  I suppose it's just as well I never had the balls to put down the "real" job and really go for the gold.....I'd almost certainly have wound up with these medical conditions anyway, and that would've been disaster.  Still, when I listen to any kind of good music, it frustrates the hell out of me to know that I used to be able to participate in that, and I'd probably just put my eye out with a stick now if I tried.  

You gave me a 'lolz' thinking about showing up to an early-service practice and listening to La Grange in church.  

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2543 on: April 28, 2025, 05:24:06 PM »
No offense to present company, but...

...I am a church music traditionalist and I really don't like the praise services with praise bands and praise music.  At my church they used to do 8:00 and 11:00 services as traditional, and the 9:30 service was the modern praise service.  So it was easy for me to go to the early or late service and get my tradition on.

Then they switched it and now there's no early service, the 9:15 service is traditional, and the 11:00 service is praise.  For some reason I just can't get to the 9:15 as regularly, and I have no desire to go to the 11:00.  It irks me.

On Easter we went to my inlaws' church, which is a very traditional Baptist church with a lot of old people.  It's been a while since I went to church with them, and the service we attended was apparently an attempt at splitting the difference.  They'd start with a traditional hymn, do 2 or 3 verses, and then shoe-horn in some new song with an odd tune and odd praise lyrics that were not even loosely related to the hymn.  Then it might go back to the traditional verses, or it might just end. I could see the younger people singing the praise bits, but the old folks (70% of the crowd) were just standing there. 

I don't know if that was something for Easter specifically, or if all their services are like that now.  I don't feel the need to go back.

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2544 on: April 28, 2025, 05:41:23 PM »
No offense taken.  It's not everybody's cup of tea, and theologically speaking, you can make some decent arguments that kind of thing doesn't make a good church service anyway.  I didn't know a lot about high church growing up, but I get the criticisms they have of low church.  tbf, there's a ditch on both sides, and there are equally legit concerns about traditional services.  Everything has a ditch you can drive off into, imo. 

We became unsettled in the non-denominational church we attended and were looking for something different.  My wife is Catholic now....that was a shock to the system.  I settled into a Baptist church that's not exactly traditional, but it's a long way from the aggressively frenetic worship music and, frankly, the Ted-Talk-style, shallow sermons of where we were.  The Catholic church has an early service at 8:00 which usually lasts about 50 minutes.  The Baptist church has a 9:30 service, and it's only a 10 minute drive between them.  So I go with her to the Catholic church and then we go to the Baptist church.  Not exactly ideal, but I couldn't talk her out of the Catholic thing, and we didn't want to have separate church lives.  

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2545 on: April 28, 2025, 05:42:44 PM »
No hurt feelings here. Most of the "praise" music I've encountered stinks. It's recycled alt-folk radio play with an emphasis on chorus. Then, there's the "Jesus is my boyfriend" variety that could just as easily be Olivia Newton-John hits.
I'd have loved to play Andrae Crouch style stuff. Keeping the Pentecostal revival beat all through the service. Instead, I ended up with Methodist services (NTTAWWT) where the (few) participants weren't accustomed to noise in church. It was more "hey, what are the young folks into nowadays" ideas.
I was classically trained since youth as a cellist. With the whole "Internet" thing, I was able to download tablature and slowly teach the fingers to play guitar chords. My upright bass is just the two stuck together.
I couldn't teach anyone else how to play a drum kit. I sat down at it and just took off. I believe there's a certain type of neurology in some people that it just makes sense. I never, ever get to play kits any more, but if I'm lucky, I can take my hand drum djembe to friends who are playing acoustic guitar stuff.
I feel like I'm picking a scab now, so I'll quit.

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« Reply #2546 on: April 29, 2025, 09:05:20 AM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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