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Topic: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?

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MikeDeTiger

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2478 on: April 21, 2025, 12:42:32 PM »
What happens when Journey's drummer starts a jazz band and covers some old Journey songs?  Came across these last night and now they're both rattling around in my head.  It's like, on the one hand, I really like what I hear, and on the other hand, I want them to quit screwing around and just play the original song. 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4zYztocjfA




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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2479 on: April 21, 2025, 12:50:38 PM »
Ooof.  I like Steve Machine Gun Smith, and I like jazz, and I like Journey.

I do not like either of those two versions of those songs.  It just shows you that deconstructive jazz can make any song with a great hook and a great vibe, into a completely forgettable tune.


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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2480 on: April 21, 2025, 01:19:02 PM »
I had an instructor at Texas whose major undertaking was Atonal Composition. It's what you think it is. It's the complete rejection of traditional Western music rules regarding intervals, dissonances, chords, progressions, and whatnot.
Much like deconstructionist jazz, I had to admit that I didn't know enough about music composition to fully understand or appreciate the pieces he played for me. I did agree that I could find no tonal center nor progressions in it.
Really, while I've studied more than the average guy, I still want to relate to my music on a visceral, emotional ground. I have to be able to find some sort of theme in it. While I must admit that "total lack of theme" might be some kind of meta-theme, it more seems like a new, novel way of putting together a bicycle - that doesn't allow me to ride anywhere. Interesting, but useless.

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2481 on: April 21, 2025, 01:22:28 PM »
I don't think you need to understand anything at all about music composition to appreciate a piece.  Or to like a piece.  Or to dislike a piece.

It's art.  In some ways, studying art composition is kind of the opposite of the point of art.


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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2482 on: April 21, 2025, 01:36:57 PM »
Ooof.  I like Steve Machine Gun Smith, and I like jazz, and I like Journey.

I do not like either of those two versions of those songs.  It just shows you that deconstructive jazz can make any song with a great hook and a great vibe, into a completely forgettable tune.

I had an instructor at Texas whose major undertaking was Atonal Composition. It's what you think it is. It's the complete rejection of traditional Western music rules regarding intervals, dissonances, chords, progressions, and whatnot.
Much like deconstructionist jazz, I had to admit that I didn't know enough about music composition to fully understand or appreciate the pieces he played for me. I did agree that I could find no tonal center nor progressions in it.
Really, while I've studied more than the average guy, I still want to relate to my music on a visceral, emotional ground. I have to be able to find some sort of theme in it. While I must admit that "total lack of theme" might be some kind of meta-theme, it more seems like a new, novel way of putting together a bicycle - that doesn't allow me to ride anywhere. Interesting, but useless.


Don't blame y'all at all.  What you describe is the weird tension that went through my brain as I listened to it.  Those songs hit the way they do, in part, precisely because they're not jazz.  Lots of tri-tone chords in a relatively predictable order.  Not a lot of "7th" chords (or more complicated), no weird substitutions that work so well in jazz.  In other words, pop is pop because it feels like pop.  They were written to be pop songs.  

I don't objectively dislike what I was hearing.  If I'd never heard the originals, I'd probably think "This is a neat jazz song."  But my brain can't stop latching onto the familiar parts of the original, and my mind becomes averse to and rebels against the mutation of it.  

So I'm stuck with this "I like it but I don't" feeling.   

Now, what I would push back just a smidge on is the jazz deconstruction of a song making it more forgettable......a moderate dose of that can be quite something.  Dirty Loops is a good example of that.  They took jazz elements and turned wretched Brittany Spears and Justin Bieber songs into something I really enjoy.  Granted, it wasn't jazz, but they certainly used jazz tropes to do it.

Anyway, I won't torture y'all with any more of that.  Let's see what else might be on my mind....... 

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2483 on: April 21, 2025, 02:12:27 PM »
Those particular examples stripped the originals of their... originality. The hook.  The vibe.  They sounded very much the same, and they sounded very much forgettable.  Like you suggested, they didn't sound unpleasant. They were fine.  They just didn't sound the way they were written or intended, and they also sounded a lot like one another.  The end result is utterly forgettable to me.

I suppose I'm not saying that any song or all songs treated in that matter would be forgettable, but these two certainly were.

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2484 on: April 21, 2025, 02:29:18 PM »
not clickin on that crap
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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2485 on: April 21, 2025, 04:19:45 PM »
Heard this one yesterday and it's been in my head since then:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aykOwwRf-Q

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2486 on: April 21, 2025, 09:19:10 PM »
I'll always click on that one
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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2487 on: April 22, 2025, 08:39:49 AM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2488 on: April 22, 2025, 08:53:10 AM »
I don't even know who Jason Aldean is but I'm fine with that.


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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2489 on: April 22, 2025, 12:20:04 PM »
Was listening to a podcast on my way to work but this kept pushing to the forefront in my head, so I thought I might as well listen to it for real.  


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4oZCtfmh44

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2490 on: April 22, 2025, 02:36:53 PM »
Well this song keeps popping into my head so I thought I might as well listen to it


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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #2491 on: April 23, 2025, 08:43:29 AM »
I don't even know who Jason Aldean is but I'm fine with that.


good for you
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