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Topic: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?

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utee94

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #1918 on: December 13, 2023, 12:42:48 PM »
Hey I get it.  Specificity is important, specificity means something, whether it's applied to music, art, or language.

Afro-Cuban beats are not Tejano.  Chili does not have beans.  Hallelujah, holy shit, where's the Tylenol?


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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #1919 on: December 13, 2023, 04:24:55 PM »
I have a fascination with Soca music. When I start the description of "ya see, the basic beat does this, 'Bum--ba-dum-ba" thing whereas reggaeton has more of a 'bum-baba-bum-ba" feel, she looks past me and goes, "uh, huh". 
I know there's a difference. I couldn't demonstrate, identify, nor tell you what makes each of them unique. All the islands in the Caribbean, the South and Central American countries, and the coast of Africa all have their flavors colored by their heritage (I never knew Merengue was native to the Dominican Republic). Samba can be like 5 categories in itself!

Next week, we'll dissect, compare, and contrast Conjunto, Grupera, Norteno, and Tejano

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« Reply #1920 on: December 13, 2023, 05:29:57 PM »
...yay...

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« Reply #1921 on: December 13, 2023, 06:05:06 PM »
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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #1922 on: December 13, 2023, 06:10:54 PM »
5/4 is the Devil's time.  All God-fearing people should avoid it.  

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #1923 on: December 13, 2023, 06:25:18 PM »
Thank Heaven Lalo Schifron didnt feel the same way
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« Reply #1924 on: December 13, 2023, 08:55:47 PM »
I saw Branford Marsalis in a Houston nightclub ca. 1992. Loved his music. Thought he was a pretentious ass.
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« Reply #1925 on: December 14, 2023, 10:11:40 AM »
Thank Heaven Lalo Schifron didnt feel the same way

I'm just mad I struggled so much with it.  I learned to feel other "odd times" such as 7/8 very well to where I could play them without thinking about it much.  Many people have done cool things with 5/4, but try as I might, I could never "feel" it and I had to count internally the entire time if I was gonna try it, and even then I was asking for screw-ups.  I don't believe I ever performed anything in 5/4.....practice only, and it never got to a point I would've tried it in public.  Not that it comes up enough for someone to have needed me to do it.  

The Mission Impossible theme was okay if I concentrated on the low-end hook and ignore the melody and didn't try to embellish anything.  The only other 5/4 song I can think of I ever had any moderate success practicing was Steve Lukather's "Carol of the Bells," because the main recurring chorus makes a hook that's relatively easy to fall into and not have to constantly think about.  But the verses where the main theme goes away, and even the end where the main theme is there but the drums are soloing over it.....killed me.  The drum stuff was hard enough if it had been in 4/4.  Trying to do it in 5/4 just frustrated my tiny Cajun brain.  

Since it's Christmas time and now I'm thinking about it, here it is so you can see what I'm talking about, on the off-chance you care.  


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9WEUbohz5k

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #1926 on: December 14, 2023, 10:18:18 AM »
Screw that.  I'm going back to my Willie Nelson Christmas album. 

James Taylor, Elvis, and Michael McDonald xmas records are on deck.  

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« Reply #1927 on: December 14, 2023, 11:06:56 AM »
Most 5/4 pieces I ever played, had some driving reason for that time signature, so the rhythm felt natural within the piece.  Some emphasize the 1.  Some emphasize the 5.  Many emphasize the 1 and the 4 or the 1 and both 4-5, which could also be written as alternating 3/4,2/4 or alternating 3/2,2/2.  But that gets messy. 

If there's no natural rhythm within the piece based upon the time signature, then the time signature itself doesn't really matter at all.  You could write the piece in 1,200/4 and it would make just as much sense.

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« Reply #1928 on: December 14, 2023, 11:13:16 AM »
I always liked seeing Rush's music transcribed.  They'd sometimes go through 5 different time signatures in as many measures.  It's crazy how tight that band always was, given the complexity of the music.

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« Reply #1929 on: December 14, 2023, 11:28:04 AM »
Most 5/4 pieces I ever played, had some driving reason for that time signature, so the rhythm felt natural within the piece.  Some emphasize the 1.  Some emphasize the 5.  Many emphasize the 1 and the 4 or the 1 and both 4-5, which could also be written as alternating 3/4,2/4 or alternating 3/2,2/2.  But that gets messy.

If there's no natural rhythm within the piece based upon the time signature, then the time signature itself doesn't really matter at all.  You could write the piece in 1,200/4 and it would make just as much sense.

Right, but in the more common times (3, 4, 6) the feel of the rhythm remains even if you get outside the musical cadence that drives it.  Which is what frequently happens if you want to sprinkle any pizazz on the drums and not just keep time the whole way.  Whatever limb I go out on in those time signatures, my internal time always has me grounded in where I am in the measure, which is important for sticking the landing when I want to play something extra and still fall back in with the band where I need to. 

In 5/4, if I step outside shadowing whatever hook is driving the 5/4 feel, it's internal chaos unless I actively count through it, and even then it's dicey for me because under the best of circumstances I relied on feel far more than I was used to counting.  This probably didn't matter as much when I was in band and played set parts to sheet music.  Set parts meant no deviation and sheet music gave me one thing at a time to focus on with a conductor up front telling me exactly how long that particular note should last.  In set drumming in band contexts.....I just really struggled with 5/4.  A lot of guys do, so I'm not alone there, but it is something to see these guys who can genuinely feel it and just go nuts in 5 and never lose where they are. 

Incidentally, that kind of thing is scattered all throughout Sting's first few solo albums.  Lots of odd times sprinkled in there, and again, the ones in 7 I can feel without thinking about it.  The ones in 5 have these little parts where the drummer does something seemingly simple, but if I tried it, I'm asking for trouble.  Quite oddly, imo, there's a song on the Mercury Falling album that's in 9/8, but sort of phrased like alternating measures of 5/4 and 4/4.  You'd think that as much trouble as I have with 5, the problem would compound when the time signature constantly switches.  But for some reason, I found that one very easy to play along to and even embellish and solo over.  No idea why.  My tiny Cajun brain does what it does.  OTOH, my first introduction to such a thing was a Toto song in 9/8 that I never could get.  The song itself drives the 9/8 time, as you say, but it's so weird and disjointed that I just couldn't get it.  The 4/4 and 7/8 parts.....no problem.  But it starts and ends with that 9/8, and just....neaux.  

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #1930 on: December 18, 2023, 09:11:03 AM »
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I learned 5/4 mostly through playing "When Your Mind's Made Up" from the musical "Once". Playing cello onstage, carrying it from spot to spot, bowing standing up. Mostly, I felt it as two dotted quarters and two quarters. If I considered it as a 3/4 and 2/4, both conducted in 1, I could keep it straight against the guitarist. This on the advice of our music director - a friend of mine who's an actual, studied percussionist, instead of the "make it up as I think it should sound" type that I am.

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« Reply #1931 on: December 18, 2023, 10:04:24 AM »
I've seen Once twice, such a great modern musical.

I especially love how it's a small, personal story, rather than being some grand epic tale like so many playwrights and artists think they have to tell, in the musical theater format.

 

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