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Topic: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?

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Mr Tulip

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #406 on: August 20, 2021, 12:08:48 PM »
My son started with the French Horn his sixth grade year. He added jazz band his 7th grade year so he picked up a trumpet as well. Now, going into the 9th grade, his French Horn is now a mellophone for marching purposes.

He came home last year with his trumpet and wanted to know if I'd ever heard a song called "Yoho Comma Bosch". After a few minutes of debate, it was deduced that he was referencing "Oye Como Va". At that point, I took the double bass out of its cradle and started the bass line.

Kid surprised me! He hung in there. Doesn't have the notes perfect yet, but definitely feels the pulse. I'm going to encourage that one!

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #407 on: August 20, 2021, 12:27:59 PM »
Oye Como Va was a staple in our Junior High band. 

My daughter picked the French horn despite my warnings and she loves it. She's already better in her 3rd year, than I ever was in the 6 years I played that instrument. The complexity of musical arrangements they're playing in her middle school is as advanced as what we were playing in high school, and the quality of production is better. They take it very seriously while still having a lot of fun at her school.  She's in the top one of the four bands her middle school has, and they travel all over the country and regularly win national awards.

Maybe one of these days I'll start pulling down some horn/trumpet duet sheet music and see if my kids will play together.  

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #408 on: August 20, 2021, 01:15:43 PM »
nice but I'll stick with Elvis
nothing wrong with the King
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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #409 on: August 20, 2021, 01:20:09 PM »
nothing wrong with the King
a lot of folks dont know that many of Elvis's songs were not originals
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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #410 on: August 20, 2021, 01:22:36 PM »
but, most folks know that about Lonesome George Thorogood
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« Reply #411 on: August 20, 2021, 01:28:26 PM »
a lot of folks dont know that many of Elvis's songs were not originals
In old rock and roll, and country, it was quite common for the singer that popularized a song, not to be the songwriter.  Or sometimes, not to be a songwriter at all.

I think perhaps the "stadium rock band" era changed peoples' perception of what a musical artist was, or should be.  Everyone knew that Led Zeppelin and The Who were writing and performing their own stuff.  So folks sort of extended that expectation to all of music.

But that was never the standard practice in rock and roll, nor country, and in fact it's still quite common in country music to be a singer and not a songwriter.  George Strait is a great example of that.

Heck, they even had to invent a category of artist called "singer-songwriter" to cover the cases where juxtaposition occurred.

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #412 on: August 20, 2021, 01:36:29 PM »
Oye Como Va was a staple in our Junior High band.

My daughter picked the French horn despite my warnings and she loves it. She's already better in her 3rd year, than I ever was in the 6 years I played that instrument. The complexity of musical arrangements they're playing in her middle school is as advanced as what we were playing in high school, and the quality of production is better. They take it very seriously while still having a lot of fun at her school.  She's in the top one of the four bands her middle school has, and they travel all over the country and regularly win national awards.

Maybe one of these days I'll start pulling down some horn/trumpet duet sheet music and see if my kids will play together. 

That's pretty neat.  I did band in middle school, which was two years in Baton Rouge, and that school's band was kind of like you describe.  They were annually invited to perform at Disney World as part of....something, I don't know what...but at any rate I got a free trip to Florida my 7th grade year out of it, and the band teacher was world class.  Great sound and great production.  Our students dominated the All-District band, representation-wise.  My 8th grade year I moved to UGA and learned that not all middle schools bands are created equal.  It was a noticeable drop.  I haven't always been impressed with other school bands I've checked out either.  Your daughter is probably fortunate to be in a program that's a cut above the usual.  

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« Reply #413 on: August 20, 2021, 01:38:07 PM »
In old rock and roll, and country, it was quite common for the singer that popularized a song, not to be the songwriter.  Or sometimes, not to be a songwriter at all.

I think perhaps the "stadium rock band" era changed peoples' perception of what a musical artist was, or should be.  Everyone knew that Led Zeppelin and The Who were writing and performing their own stuff.  So folks sort of extended that expectation to all of music.

But that was never the standard practice in rock and roll, nor country, and in fact it's still quite common in country music to be a singer and not a songwriter.  George Strait is a great example of that.

Heck, they even had to invent a category of artist called "singer-songwriter" to cover the cases where juxtaposition occurred.

I think it's not only mostly a given, but almost expected, that in pop music the artist is NOT the songwriter.  

The fact that there are people paid to come up with whatever much of pop music is these days is strange to me, though.  

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« Reply #414 on: August 20, 2021, 01:46:34 PM »
My point was not that Elvis was not the song writer but rather someone else had previously recorded the song but not identified with it
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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #415 on: August 20, 2021, 02:18:14 PM »
I think it's not only mostly a given, but almost expected, that in pop music the artist is NOT the songwriter. 

The fact that there are people paid to come up with whatever much of pop music is these days is strange to me, though. 
Yeah good point on pop music, I don't listen to much so I didn't even consider it.

About the only pop artist I've really liked in the past decade is Taylor Swift, and she writes the majority of her own stuff, so perhaps there's a reason I actually like her music.



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« Reply #416 on: August 20, 2021, 02:24:32 PM »
My point was not that Elvis was not the song writer but rather someone else had previously recorded the song but not identified with it
Well sure, but in cases where there are multiple covers, I'm always going to give consideration to the first person to popularize it.

For example, I like Willie Nelson's version of "Crazy" the best, but the general public will always consider it to be a Patsy Cline song, because she's the first one to popularize it.


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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #417 on: August 20, 2021, 02:32:57 PM »
You had situations like the famous "Brill Building". Just a big place cordoned off into basically cubicles - each containing a couple of chairs, a desk, and a piano. Songwriters sat there and cranked out tunes daily like accountants. The songs would be shopped through whatever group was available.

The idea wasn't to sell recordings (which were not widely available yet). It was meant to sell sheet music. A group would perform it, it'd make the radio, and people would buy the sheet music at the store. As a result, several groups might record the same tune. It didn't matter.

I'm not a real big fan, but I respect The Beatles who were among the first to say, "We wrote some stuff. We're gonna record our own stuff.". Their momentum due to their fame allowed them to really change how an artist related to the music they made.

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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #418 on: August 20, 2021, 02:35:04 PM »
Well sure, but in cases where there are multiple covers, I'm always going to give consideration to the first person to popularize it.

For example, I like Willie Nelson's version of "Crazy" the best, but the general public will always consider it to be a Patsy Cline song, because she's the first one to popularize it.


thats fine but not my point

all Im saying is that a lot of folks didnt realize the Elvis hit was a cover instead of a new song
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Re: OT-- What song's on your mind right now?
« Reply #419 on: August 20, 2021, 02:44:32 PM »
I have a Patsy Cline CD I really like, greatest hits etc.

It's kind funny, it's slotted next to one by Brahms, who apparently did write his own music.

I also really like the Chopin Etudes.  I once aspired to learn them all, but got about four half done when I had kids.

 

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