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Topic: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down

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CharleyHorse46

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #70 on: October 24, 2017, 12:06:21 PM »
Back to one of the crux of the horse issue - the 2017 Texas offense versus the 2014 Texas offense

In 2014 Texas had Malcolm Brown and Johnathan Gray who had combined for 3451 in prior seasons.  Coming into 2017 Texas only had Chis Warren's 831 yards prior to this season.

Advantage 2014.

In 2014 Texas had Jaxon Shipley, Marcus Johnson and Daje Johnson who had previously combined for 3061 yards.  Coming into 2014 has Burt, Foreman, Leonard, Joe, Duvernay, Johnson and Heard who have combined for 3067 yards.

2017 - More horses

In 2014 after Ash went down, the only scholarship QB was Tyrone Swoopes who had previously completed 5 passes for 13 yards.

Coming into 2017 Texas had Buechele and Heard who have 23 combined starts and over 4000 yards passing.

2017 - More horses

After Connor Williams went out in the 3rd game, the 2017 OL only had 40 starts (coming into the 2017 season) between its remaining linemen.  Rodriguez and Hudson only had 3 starts between them.  Cuney and Shackleford have been hampered but Jake McMillon, Tristan Nickleson, Denzel Okafor, Garrett Gray, Alex Anderson, Tope Imade, Derek Kerstetter, JP Urquidez, Garrett Thomas and Samuel Cosmi remain unscathed and servicable.

In 2014, after Texas lost Dominic Espinoza in the first game, the remaining OL had 10 starts between them.  When Kennedy Estelle left the program within the first month of the season, that took 8 of the 10 starts leaving only Kent Perkins and Sed Flowers who had each started once prior to 2014.  Supporting them were Jake Raulerson, Taylor Doyle and Camrhon Hughes who had combined to participate in 2 games prior to 2014 and Marcus Hutchins who moved over from DT.

Advantage 2017.

So forgive me if have no pity for Herman's whining.  Texas has had a crappy offenses before and Texas has been in worst straits before.

Compared to 2014, Texas has an embarrassment of riches.

There are horses in the stable.  If Herman and Beck are too stupid (or arrogant) to use them, it's their own fault.


utee94

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #71 on: October 24, 2017, 12:09:10 PM »
I'm sure glad I was wrong about losing by 21 points!

I hope I'm also wrong thinking we've got a certain loss to TCU coming up.

But first, gotta beat Baylor.  I'd love to see Texas deliver a real stomping but so far that's only happened against a very weak non-P5 team.  Gotta put together a complete game at some point.  Hopefully this week.

CharleyHorse46

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #72 on: October 24, 2017, 12:14:26 PM »
Weigh in on the horses, Junior.

Texas got em or not?

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #73 on: October 24, 2017, 12:33:45 PM »
Texas has come within one score of beating 3 Top-10 teams.  Based on previous seasons with these same horses (sans D'onta), the difference must be coaching.

So if coaching was good enough to get Texas within one score, why couldn't it finish the job?

Horses.  The same ones that would have lost by 50 in previous seasons.  And they even had a RB.
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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #74 on: October 24, 2017, 01:13:20 PM »
Horns have some horses, just not enough of them, especially on the lines.  I hate to sound like a Husker fan circa 1995m but it's all about the lines.

Boyd had a better day than in the past, though.  

CharleyHorse46

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« Reply #75 on: October 24, 2017, 01:15:35 PM »
Texas has come within one score of beating 3 Top-10 teams.  Based on previous seasons with these same horses (sans D'onta), the difference must be coaching.

So if coaching was good enough to get Texas within one score, why couldn't it finish the job?

Horses.  The same ones that would have lost by 50 in previous seasons.  And they even had a RB.
I give you facts.  Nothing but facts.  Starts and yardage.
You retort with conjecture about how the same players would've lost by 50 if not for the coaching.
Facts really aren't your strong suit.  Are they?  If they were, you would know that prior to Tom Herman's arrival Texas was actually 2-1 in its last three meetings with Top Ten teams - beating #10 Notre Dame, #8 Baylor and losing to #10 West Virginia by 4.
And the last time Texas lost by 50, your boy Mack Brown was the coach.
But you know what?  I'm not here to knock Mack Brown or Tom Herman.  And I'm not here to praise Charlie Strong.
Mack Brown was a great coach in many respects.  Charlie Strong screwed the pooch in a lot of ways.  Tom Herman is doing a lot of things right and I really hope he succeeds.

So instead of grinding your ax against Charlie Strong and halfassedly talking crap to create an unnecessarily broad and over-reaching discussion, why don't we just stick to the issue at hand and that is the fact that Tim Beck, under Tom Herman's authority, is underusing the talent at his disposal.
Jerrod Heard once set a school record for total offense in a single game with 527 yards against Cal.  Think about the full impact of that for a minute.  More than Vince Young ever gained.  More than Colt McCoy ever gained.
Do you think we could see him in the wildcat from time to time?
We have six receivers (SIX) who had receptions of more than 40 yards last year.  
Do you think we can throw down field from time to time?
Chis Warren averaged 6.3 ypc coming into this season.  If you go back and look at his best games, he started slow.  He's 250 pounds.  He should be wearing out opposing defenses on nearly every down in the fourth quarter and even the late third quarter.
Can we please give him the ball?
You look at the offensive line.  Yes, there have been injuries.  Yes, there is inexperience.  But there are bodies available. 
Aren't coaches supposed to coach?  Can they not cobble together five bodies and teach them to do one or two things right?
The offense is abysmal and there is no excuse.  There's enough talent to score more than 10 points per game.

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #76 on: October 24, 2017, 02:43:12 PM »
CH - I appreciate your facts.

I think you've got some opaque axe to grind but there's no point to pursue it.  "My boy" Mack?

Anyway, after clocking in the factually worst defenses in Texas history over the last 2 years, we now have a group we can be proud of.  And from a top level view, the same staff that created this stellar defense, is also responsible for this impotent offense.  An offense which lost it's primary weapon from last season, in which Sterlin Gilbert admittedly made lemonade out of lemons.

It begins with all 5 starters in the trenches being sidelined, and it goes downhill from there.  Running back?  Surely you will admit we are ANEMIC at running back.  And that pretty much undercuts anything else - no line to block, and no one that can run the ball.  Never mind that we continually trot out these 5'11" QBs while our opponents sport 6'3"- 6'5" specimens.

Horses?  Surely not.

CharleyHorse46

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #77 on: October 24, 2017, 04:09:21 PM »
"Your boy" because didn't you say he had you at hello?  That's kind of soft and fuzzy there, amigo.  That's a buttered tortilla.  That's pony eating a kettle of skittles under a rainbow.

As more time passes I'm more inclined to remember good Mack than bad Mack.  Good Mack altered schemes to fit his talent.  Good Mack stockpiled talent.  Good Mack tinkered with things that weren't working to make them better.   Good Mack made Texas great again.   I like good Mack and I'd just as soon forget all about Bad Mack.

Tom Herman hired and empowered Todd Orlando who has made lemon meringue pie (forget the lemonade) out of yesterday's lemons.

Tom Herman has lit a fire under the pampered butts of his players.  He holds them accountable.  He doesn't give a darn what they've done in the past.  He makes them earn it every week.

And have I said how grateful I am that he finally rectified the ongoing trouble with the shade of burnt orange on the helmet logo?  It was brown.  Then it was copper.  Now it's finally the right shade of burnt orange.  It matches the jersies.   How hard is that?  And yet he's the first since DKR to get it right.   Makes me think he can do anything.

But I think his offensive scheme might actually kill Ehlinger.  I wonder if Warren kicked his dog.   I think Heard may never get more than three touches a game.  If I see a pass of more than 25 yards, I may fall out of my chair and break a hip.  

If I were OC, Texas would average 69 points a game and I'd play mostly backups and run the ball for the last three quarters.

It'd be easy to do because the Horns have plenty of horses.

Remember how DKR asked Emory Bellard to come up with an offense to get Gilbert, Wooster and McCoy all on the field at the same time?

I'd put all three QBs on the field at the same time.  I'd run the pistol with Buchele in the pocket, with Ehlinger to his right and Heard in motion.

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #78 on: October 24, 2017, 05:41:56 PM »
I must explain my comment "Mack had me at hello".  Well, he did.

My zeal for Longhorn football was 10 times in those days what it is today.  I was rabid.  I would eat, sleep, and sheet the Horns.  I was proud of myself for attending UT.  It was a great time of accomplishment and fulfillment in my life.

Except for John Mackovic.  He never felt right.  Once it became evident that David Mc's shock the nation tour was a fluke - I was heartbroken.  I knew we had to make a change, but the change (Mackovic) just never felt right.

So we had some ups and downs with Mackovic, and because we are Texas, the downs outweighed the ups.  It became apparent that he too would not be our long-term savior.  So here we go again.

I had my eye on the man at North Carolina.  He was a charmer, he was southern, and he built a winner at a basketball school.  And then AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! EFFING DeLoss takes a shine to Gary Freaking Barnett.  Now by this time, I had come to realize that DeLoss is wrong just about every time he has a thought, it's just that he looks confident when he has one.  And his quips seem to make him look smart.  But I knew he was dead ass wrong about Barnett.

To me, Barnett was Mackovic Part II, and DeLoss was really pissing the sheet out of me for wanting this guy.  Well it turns out some big money Horns felt the same way I did.  Dodds was flat ass overridden, and DKR, Jamail, and Hicks went to fetch Mack Brown.

I cried.  I literally cried like a damn baby.  This is why I say Mack had me at hello.

Now, back to the issue at hand.  We agree that the play-calling is dismal.  We both can't figure why they just don't call the touchdown play, it would be so much easier.

But maybe that's because there is no touchdown play.  The league's best QB's couldn't function with this offensive line, much less a true freshman.  So let's hand it off to uh, uh, Chris Warren?  Gee, where's San Jose State when you need them?  How about Kyle Porter?  Yeah right.  Give Carter more reps, these guys suck.  But oh yeah, he's another true freshman.

All I can suggest is that we should try to force some kind of run game anyway, and try to chisel away at it.  Our OL is getting blown out on every play, so the best we could do is try to create quick holes.  But going straight to the passing game without posing a persistent threat to run will not work with this third-string OL.

I say turn the offense over to Orlando as well.  Today's OC's break out in hives when they are not throwing the ball - turn our offense over to a defensive guy.  I'll bet he'll run the damn thing.

I hate today's OC's.  But horses still would help.

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #79 on: October 24, 2017, 05:52:22 PM »
I’m not following the Cajun logic here, and how it is we’re saying Texas has horses but at the same really not saying Texas has horses.  Hmmm.  Is there a double negative here Im missing?

Do young developing colts who were full on horses in high school not yet count as horses in the Cajun mind, perhaps?  Does Mike see this more as a metamorphosis process, like going from catepillar to butterfly, or going from tadpole to frog, rather than the mammalian approach of just going from younger less mature horses to older stronger smarter horses, as I see it?

But Tigers are mammals too.  So I’m just not following the logic here.

For me saying Texas has the horses is not a semantic issue.  They either do or they don’t.  <insert head scratching emoji, if there is one>
Maybe a better way to say what I said would've been "horsepower," but I did think the point was obvious.  At any rate, I don't think the point I was making was any sort of mystery, yet you and the jackhorse seem intent on bogging down.  Your horse is in a ditch.  

So I'll start over.  

The offense has no horsepower, despite having horses.  That better?  

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #80 on: October 24, 2017, 06:05:33 PM »
I can agree with that last sentence.  Horses but they’re in the ditch ... that works.

To be fair to my rival Horns, if the ditch was the Red River, their horses ALMOST got all the way across.  But like in Egypt of old, the red river drowned them before they made it to the promised land.
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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #81 on: October 25, 2017, 08:56:13 AM »
Good Lord sucking sucks.  Arguing about just how crappy our crappy players are, or just how crappy our crappy coaches are, is exhausting.


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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #82 on: October 25, 2017, 09:35:39 AM »
I think any trend will bear itself out in the coming five games.  For the most part, the juggernaut is over.  It's hard to size up a new regime when we keep lining up against top-10 freight trains.  Never mind that we came within one play of winning 3 of those games.

Wasn't our SOS some outlandish number going into the season?  Many agreed not a good schedule for Herman to open up shop.

My prediction of 7 wins only affords us one more loss.  I'll call that TCU.  I think now that we can get a little room to breathe on our schedule, we can put some wins together.
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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #83 on: October 25, 2017, 09:47:54 AM »
West Vir wont be any picnic
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

 

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