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Topic: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down

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CousinFreddie

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2017, 08:22:17 PM »
OT.  Guess I was right and you sandbagging Horns fans were a bit off ;^)

Anyway, tough loss but you’ve gotta be happy with the Texas D.

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2017, 10:43:33 AM »
yup, talked me into taking the points

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2017, 03:48:06 PM »
I hope I don't jinx the Horns and incur the wrath of the ECFGs by saying this but...

If Texas can keep up its level of effort...

I think they could go 4-1 over the next five.

TCU could be ugly but the rest should be winnable.  Not easy.  No guarantees.  But winnable.

7-5 would be nice.  Especially with 3 of the losses being dogfights.

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2017, 06:58:59 PM »
A hint of UT froth.  I like it.  The Horns are better than their record shows, and I agree they could win a majority of the rest of their games.  My wag is 3-2 from here on out.  Warren had a couple of nice runs, even though Ehlinger didn’t have his A game.  If Texas can just start springing some runs, look out.

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2017, 10:17:27 AM »
Texas is playing with heart, but no horses.

Certain players are trying to will wins and it's just not enough.  I'm puzzled how we go from the world's worst defense the last two years to this squad which is the best in the conference.  It likely translates into Todd Orlando's days being numbered at Texas.

Herman is not gaining any points with me.  Ok, maybe he's losing some.  If that is all the offense that could be cooked up then someone needs to be more creative.  I know we have OL problems but you play the hand you're dealt.  Except well, our RB's suck too.  And I mean SUCK.

Sam thinks he's still in high school, and the play-calling is happily obliging that misconception.  Is it surprising that Sam is hurt?  Yeah that play where he steamrolled a K-State DB was cool but this isn't Westlake High.  And that truth is starting to come home.

This Beck guy that everyone is railing on, he smells like Greg Davis.  Is he Herman's old buddy from somewhere else - is that why he's here?

The close losses are somewhat reassuring, but the offensive train wreck is concerning.  I blame most of this on talent, but for whatever reason Herman is not winning me over like Mack did.  Mack had me at hello.  Herman strikes me as still having a lot of OJT going on, while being on Texas' time.

We have 5 more games to size this up however.

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2017, 12:07:35 PM »
I don't miss many things from the Charlie Strong years, but I do miss Sterlin Gilbert.  

Last year it was obvious that Charlie tightened his leash on Sterlin as the year wore on, to increase TOP in order to help the defense.  

But Sterlin knew how to utilize offensive talent and put playmakers in space.  Beck's offense is just slightly better than Watson's offense (probably because he has much more talent) and it's about on par with Norvelle's offense.


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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2017, 01:21:58 PM »
Texas is playing with heart, but no horses.
That's it.  Frustrating way to lose a game, but those are growing pains of a rejuvenating program.  I think you've got at least another two seasons with Orlando.  I don't expect nearly so many offensive problems next season.  
I think UT can pull 3 out of the next 5 if they keep up the level of effort they've been showing, and get the all-important bowl practices in afforded by a post-season invite.  @TCU and @WVU are a hard sell for me.  Baylor, KU, and Tech are all winnable.  

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« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2017, 02:21:50 PM »
That's it.  
Uhm....  I disagree.
In my opinion, "No horses" is a myth.   Texas has plenty of horses.

Last year Texas had 19 offensive plays that went for 40 yards or more.   D'onta who was involved in 5 of those are gone, as is Petey Warrick who was involved in two more.  The combinations involved in the other 12 are still on campus.

Buechele to Duvernay for 63, 75 and 80 yards.  Buechele to Leonard for 45, 46 and 49 yards.  Buechele to Joe for 61 yards  Buechele to Heard for 68 yards.  Bueschele to Burt for 72 yards.  Warren had a long run.

Up until this year, Chris Warren averaged over 6 ypc.   

Buechele threw for a TD in 11 of 12 games last year and for over 200 yards throwing in each game except for one where he had 196 yards and one where he had 165 yards.

In 2014 Armanti Foreman averaged over 20 ypc on end arounds.  In 2015 Jerrod Heard set a record for most yards in a game.

Texas has more playmakers than it can put on the field at one time.

The problem is only the fans, players and reporters have memories.   The coaching staff has arrogance where it should have context.

It's ground hog day and Tim Beck is Shawn Watson all over again.  And he's trying to turn Sam Ehlinger into David Ash.

I wouldn't be surprised if two years from now, to save his job, Herman does exactly what Strong did and brings in an offensive coordinator who can utilize up-tempo Texas spread talent instead of imposing some BS Nebraska offense.

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2017, 02:38:22 PM »
I meant nobody's doing anything.  It doesn't matter what guys did in the past, if they aren't making plays now, the offense has no horsepower.  No horses.    

No need to bog down in semantics when I think we see the same things.  

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2017, 02:40:56 PM »
hah, Watson, Norvell, and Beck all coached BS offense in Lincoln

Norvell was the least impressive in my opinion
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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2017, 03:16:19 PM »
I meant nobody's doing anything.  It doesn't matter what guys did in the past, if they aren't making plays now, the offense has no horsepower.  No horses.    

No need to bog down in semantics when I think we see the same things.  
I like you, Amos, but I must disagree once again.
This is a good offense

This is no horses

This is the Texas offense

Can you see the difference between the second and third picture?   There are horses in the third picture.  No horses in the second picture.  The horses in the third picture aren't running like the ones in the first picture but they are there, unlike the absence of horses in the second picture.
Texas has horses.  The stall isn't empty.  They just aren't running.

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2017, 03:17:25 PM »
hah, Watson, Norvell, and Beck all coached BS offense in Lincoln

Norvell was the least impressive in my opinion
Who's your OC now?
Might as well get used to him since the next coach'll name him as our OC.

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2017, 04:08:49 PM »
In my opinion, "No horses" is a myth.   Texas has plenty of horses.

The problem is only the fans, players and reporters have memories.   The coaching staff has arrogance where it should have context.
You state your case well, but it doesn't consider last year's OL vs. this year's.  And the added threat of having Donta in the backfield, which we don't have this year.  You could pull 5 of our biggest fans out of the bleachers and have just as good an OL.  And with Chris Warren's ability to run the 40 in 5 minutes, the D really doesn't have to worry about him, but rather just react by the time he bumbles to the line of scrimmage.

All that said, Sterlin Gilbert was the cherry on top of our turd last year.  But of course Herman doesn't keep him.

As far as arrogance, there is little doubt that Herman thought he was going to walk in here and be the savior.  And he may still be.  Frankly, if you had hired me after Charlie, I would have thought the same thing.

But for now, I choose to believe that Herman's desire to win will overcome his arrogance.  He stated the "offense is broken".  I like that.  Sure he defended Beck, but that's just standard M.O.  Beck seems like pure unimaginative and unadulterated suckage from what I've seen thus far, and about 10 steps down from Gilbert.

We still have five games.  Win four of those and we are all happy.  We can start by scoring some points against Baylor, and finding a cure for this 3-and-out crap.
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CharleyHorse46

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Re: oSu @ Texas - how will it go down
« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2017, 04:33:44 PM »
Here's the thing.

The offensive line isn't what we hoped it would be but it still has about twice depth and experience that the 2014 offensive line had, so I'm not really inclined to be very sympathetic to that excuse.   There are bodies there.  Coach them up.  

As for Warren and D'Onta, I guess you've forgotten that D'Onta wasn't even the clear starter until Warren was injured.  But here's the thing.  Warren is a slow starter.  The time he got nearly 300 yards against Tech, he averaged less than 3 on his first 7.  The more you pound him, the more effective he is.  Ignore him all game, piddle around with him, you get what you deserve.

I heard Herman whining at lunch today about having a freshman quarterback handing to a freshman runningback behind a freshman line.  

You know why I don't have any sympathy for that?

Because we had a freshman quarterback behind a freshman center last year.  A freshman quarterback behind a freshman left tackle the year before that.  A little used sophomore quarterback behind the thinnest and most inexperienced lines in college football the year before that.

It's Herman's choice to start Ehlinger over Buchele or even Heard.  Other programs allow starters to become experienced veterans.  Here we replace them with somebody new and whine about their inexperience.

Well, I'm tired of it.

I like the defense.  I like special teams for the most part.  I like the shade of orange of longhorn on the side of the helmet.

I don't like seeing Charlie Strong learn his lesson and the horrible offense of 2014 gradually improve to 2015 and dramatically improve in 2016 only to have it completely reset to 2014 all over again.

And what's really disgusting is that compared to 2014 we have an embarrassment of riches so there's really no excuse except for stupidity, ignorance and arrogance.

 

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